INFO-VAX Sat, 20 Jan 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 39 Contents: caller id to open customer main account file Re: caller id to open customer main account file Control-P through a DECserver Re: DFU comments Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? RE: How long to really setup a VMS system ? RE: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS VMS Related: Reflection FTP Client (GUI) RE: VMS Related: Reflection FTP Client (GUI) ZIC compile errors for northamerica file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Jan 2007 11:08:28 -0800 From: "rexdale1050@yahoo.ca" Subject: caller id to open customer main account file Message-ID: <1169233708.168330.267000@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> i am using alphaserver ds 10 running vms 7.3 v . i need a telephone connection from business telephone line with caller id. to open & display customer main account file on my dec terminal.# 320 , # 420. for when a client phones with an order. i understand there is equipment from digilogic etc but i have no idea how to hook this up thank you neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:41:26 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: caller id to open customer main account file Message-ID: rexdale1050@yahoo.ca wrote: > i am using alphaserver ds 10 running vms 7.3 v . > > i need a telephone connection from business telephone line with > caller id. > > to open & display customer main account file on my dec terminal.# > 320 , # 420. > > for when a client phones with an order. > > i understand there is equipment from digilogic etc but i have no idea > how to hook this up > > thank you > neil > Don't you think you should ask Digilogic? They may not know VMS but they should be very knowledgable about their product, how it interfaces with a computer (serial port?), available software, etc, etc. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 2007 12:15:22 -0800 From: "nmtech" Subject: Control-P through a DECserver Message-ID: <1169237722.771518.321520@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> I have a DECserver90 connnected to the console on server AlphaServer. I have define a service for each Alpha and can connect just fine. My problem is that I can not pass a Control-P to "crash" a system and get to the chevron ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:46:18 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: DFU comments Message-ID: In article <45a8cdef$0$17810$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > And while I am at it, pressing does suppress the output of each > file being deleted. But it also suppresses the escape sequences that reset > the terminal after the command exits (I called it as a single command line > from DCL, so onnce it is done, it returns to DCL). As a result, after the > DCL command ends, one is stuck in a single line scrolling window at bottom > of screen, so one has to do a set term/inquire to reset it. CTRL-O is not the solution if you are looking for performance, as the program is still doing the processing to do the output, even though the terminal driver doesn't display it. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:02:44 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Message-ID: <45B17844.AD46ABD6@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > OK, I know, insert CD, boot the alpha from CD and follow the prompts and > you have VMS running in about an hour. > > But in reality, how long does it REALLY take to get a virgin system fully > loaded with all the prerequisite stuff, configured, tested and ready to go > into production without any more improvements being done to it ? By that measure, I'd have to say "infinitely long". We're constantly tuning, upgrading and adding to our systems at work. It's an on-going process. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 2007 20:02:03 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Message-ID: <1169265723.596511.31640@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> JF Mezei wrote: > OK, I know, insert CD, boot the alpha from CD and follow the prompts and > you have VMS running in about an hour. > > But in reality, how long does it REALLY take to get a virgin system fully > loaded with all the prerequisite stuff, configured, tested and ready to go > into production without any more improvements being done to it ? > > (I am talking about full IP stack, extra utilities like ethermon loaded, > SNMP/syslog configured to talk to the rest of the corporate network, email, > various automated system monitoring tasks , handling if system failures and > ensuring the systartup_vms and shyshutdown procedures are complet and > robost etc etc. > > In other words, how long does it take to get a system from fully naked to > fully dressed in formal wear, realy to go a lights out fully automated state ? > > (as opposed to a customer starting to be able to use it even though the > system may still need nightly reboots to test new procedures etc) Well, I rebuild the server hosting the Hobbyist System. OpenVMS, IP Stack, MySQL, Apache, PHP, and some other toys. Took about a day for most. A lot of it was testing, rebooting (to test systartup), and such. For some basic stuff, it doesn't take that long. But there are always changes (i.e. updating software, adding/subtracting apps, etc), so it's rarely a static things. A lot of it is being methodical about stuff. Making a list of all the things you need, making sure you have all the configuration info you need, knowing what all startup components need to be tested. Have a plan and task list first, then start installing things. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:14:14 -0600 From: "Forster, Michael" Subject: RE: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Message-ID: <022f01c73c49$81e8726e$47146a8d@mcwcorp.net> Yes and some cd installs will only go so fast in my experience -----Original Message----- From: "davidc@montagar.com" To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" Sent: 01/19/07 10:09 PM Subject: Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? JF Mezei wrote: > OK, I know, insert CD, boot the alpha from CD and follow the prompts and > you have VMS running in about an hour. > > But in reality, how long does it REALLY take to get a virgin system fully > loaded with all the prerequisite stuff, configured, tested and ready to g= o > into production without any more improvements being done to it ? > > (I am talking about full IP stack, extra utilities like ethermon loaded, > SNMP/syslog configured to talk to the rest of the corporate network, emai= l, > various automated system monitoring tasks , handling if system failures a= nd > ensuring the systartup_vms and shyshutdown procedures are complet and > robost etc etc. > > In other words, how long does it take to get a system from fully naked to > fully dressed in formal wear, realy to go a lights out fully automated st= ate ? > > (as opposed to a customer starting to be able to use it even though the > system may still need nightly reboots to test new procedures etc) Well, I rebuild the server hosting the Hobbyist System. OpenVMS, IP Stack, MySQL, Apache, PHP, and some other toys. Took about a day for most. A lot of it was testing, rebooting (to test systartup), and such. For some basic stuff, it doesn't take that long. But there are always changes (i.e. updating software, adding/subtracting apps, etc), so it's rarely a static things. A lot of it is being methodical about stuff. Making a list of all the things you need, making sure you have all the configuration info you need, knowing what all startup components need to be tested. Have a plan and task list first, then start installing things. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:13:53 -0600 From: "Forster, Michael" Subject: RE: How long to really setup a VMS system ? Message-ID: <022e01c73c49$7454204a$47146a8d@mcwcorp.net> Yes and some cd installs will only go so fast in my experience -----Original Message----- From: "davidc@montagar.com" To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" Sent: 01/19/07 10:09 PM Subject: Re: How long to really setup a VMS system ? JF Mezei wrote: > OK, I know, insert CD, boot the alpha from CD and follow the prompts = and > you have VMS running in about an hour. > > But in reality, how long does it REALLY take to get a virgin system = fully > loaded with all the prerequisite stuff, configured, tested and ready = to go > into production without any more improvements being done to it ? > > (I am talking about full IP stack, extra utilities like ethermon = loaded, > SNMP/syslog configured to talk to the rest of the corporate network, = email, > various automated system monitoring tasks , handling if system = failures and > ensuring the systartup_vms and shyshutdown procedures are complet and > robost etc etc. > > In other words, how long does it take to get a system from fully naked = to > fully dressed in formal wear, realy to go a lights out fully automated = state ? > > (as opposed to a customer starting to be able to use it even though = the > system may still need nightly reboots to test new procedures etc) Well, I rebuild the server hosting the Hobbyist System. OpenVMS, IP Stack, MySQL, Apache, PHP, and some other toys. Took about a day for most. A lot of it was testing, rebooting (to test systartup), and such. For some basic stuff, it doesn't take that long. But there are always changes (i.e. updating software, adding/subtracting apps, etc), so it's rarely a static things. A lot of it is being methodical about stuff. Making a list of all the things you need, making sure you have all the configuration info you need, knowing what all startup components need to be tested. Have a plan and task list first, then start installing things. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:39:42 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS Message-ID: <45b13b09$0$8741$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > 1) Make sure the file protections are correct. File protection is dictated by the TCPIP$TFTP software's requirement to be able to read/write, and those files have to reside under the TCPIP$TFCP_ROOT directory. And remember that TFTP is like FTP without any user authentication. > 3) Make sure you trust all the people who have physical access to > the computer; keep it in a locked computer room. With TFTP, it doesn't matter. > Or better, buy network products that don't have this problem. Sorry, but I don't have the clout to tell vendors the size of Cisco to stop using TFTP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:34:07 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS Message-ID: <45b13987$0$4849$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Javier wrote: > > If using IOS devices, switch to scp. What is "scp" and what software does it need on the VMS side ? (and what IOS commands are used on the crisco equipment ? On my switch, it appears there is only tftp available as network transport for copy and configure commands. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:41:25 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Securing router/switch config files via TFTP on VMS Message-ID: <-NWdnXbdiOfoACzYnZ2dnUVZ_oHinZ2d@comcast.com> JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> How about immediately moving things to another directory and changing >> the file protections? > > > Yeah, that is what I was thinking about. Just wanted to see if some > other folks might have come up with a smarter/more automatic way of > doing it. I'm not that smart any more! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:38:28 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: VMS Related: Reflection FTP Client (GUI) Message-ID: <45B18EB4.9848F7BF@spam.comcast.net> Folks, I made a discovery today... I was able to "mirror" the entire ITRC openvms_patches tree using the FTP Client for Reflection, you know, the new GUI one that tries to look like Windows Explorer. All I did was drag the "openvms_patches" directory from the ITRC FTP site over to my "My Documents" directory. Now, I can't say it went without a hitch. It took three tries to complete the entire tree. The first attempt stopped after about two hours. RFTP indicated a session timeout. The second session I cut short because of time, and the third session was to complete the tree. The last of the good news is that the results show up in Windows Explorer as 4.59GB. If that number is close to being accurate, it should all fit on one data DVD. I just got a DVD+R burner for my IBM ThinkPad T20 (off eBay). It came with Nero-6. I'll see how this goes. I haven't managed to convince Nero to write anything other than Joliet format yet. Then again, I don't yet have an (at home) Alpha with a DVD-ROM or better. So the value is limited to the T20 at present. Well, that and the work laptop. Once we catch up on the holiday bills a bit I'll look up a DVD burner for my Dell Optiplex GX150, then maybe something for the Alpha. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:09:25 -0600 From: "Forster, Michael" Subject: RE: VMS Related: Reflection FTP Client (GUI) Message-ID: <022d01c73c48$d32b19da$47146a8d@mcwcorp.net> I will try on monday and report the outcome if desired. -----Original Message----- From: "David J Dachtera" To: "Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" Sent: 01/19/07 9:54 PM Subject: VMS Related: Reflection FTP Client (GUI) Folks, I made a discovery today... I was able to "mirror" the entire ITRC openvms_patches tree using the = FTP Client for Reflection, you know, the new GUI one that tries to look like = Windows Explorer. All I did was drag the "openvms_patches" directory from the ITRC FTP = site over to my "My Documents" directory. Now, I can't say it went without a hitch. It took three tries to = complete the entire tree. The first attempt stopped after about two hours. RFTP = indicated a session timeout. The second session I cut short because of time, and the = third session was to complete the tree. The last of the good news is that the results show up in Windows = Explorer as 4.59GB. If that number is close to being accurate, it should all fit on = one data DVD. I just got a DVD+R burner for my IBM ThinkPad T20 (off eBay). It came = with Nero-6. I'll see how this goes. I haven't managed to convince Nero to = write anything other than Joliet format yet. Then again, I don't yet have an = (at home) Alpha with a DVD-ROM or better. So the value is limited to the T20 at = present. Well, that and the work laptop. Once we catch up on the holiday bills a = bit I'll look up a DVD burner for my Dell Optiplex GX150, then maybe something = for the Alpha. --=20 David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 2007 19:17:28 -0800 From: sean@obanion.us Subject: ZIC compile errors for northamerica file Message-ID: <1169263048.403519.313860@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I'm tying to get ZIC to complie the timezone file northamerica, from ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/ that I got today, and I'm getting some errors that don't make sence. It's not the location or dates that I need, but I expect the file as a whole to work correctly. I've included the command output and the lines from the zonefile below. This is VMS 7.3-1 Alpha with all patches idetified by the ITRC, on an AS2100A. Has anybody else gotten this to work? Sean $ zic -d [.ZIC] northamerica. "dra3:[000000.timezone]northamerica.;1", line 125: invalid time of day "dra3:[000000.timezone]northamerica.;1", line 419: invalid time of day "dra3:[000000.timezone]northamerica.;1", line 959: invalid time of day "dra3:[000000.timezone]northamerica.;1", line 1090: use of 2/29 in non leap-year $ >From the northamerica file, the lines in question and the section of the file they're from. Line 125: Rule US 1945 only - Aug 14 23:00u 1:00 P # Peace From: # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule US 1918 1919 - Mar lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 1918 1919 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S Rule US 1942 only - Feb 9 2:00 1:00 W # War Rule US 1945 only - Aug 14 23:00u 1:00 P # Peace Rule US 1945 only - Sep 30 2:00 0 S Rule US 1967 2006 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S Rule US 1967 1973 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 1974 only - Jan 6 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 1975 only - Feb 23 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 1976 1986 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 1987 2006 - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 2007 max - Mar Sun>=8 2:00 1:00 D Rule US 2007 max - Nov Sun>=1 2:00 0 S Line 419: -10:00 US CAT/CAWT 1945 Aug 14 23:00u From: Zone America/Anchorage 14:00:24 - LMT 1867 Oct 18 -9:59:36 - LMT 1900 Aug 20 12:00 -10:00 - CAT 1942 -10:00 US CAT/CAWT 1945 Aug 14 23:00u -10:00 US CAT/CAPT 1946 # Peace -10:00 - CAT 1967 Apr -10:00 - AHST 1969 -10:00 US AH%sT 1983 Oct 30 2:00 -9:00 US Y%sT 1983 Nov 30 -9:00 US AK%sT Line 959: Rule Canada 1945 only - Aug 14 23:00u 1:00 P # Peace From: # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Canada 1918 only - Apr 14 2:00 1:00 D Rule Canada 1918 only - Oct 31 2:00 0 S Rule Canada 1942 only - Feb 9 2:00 1:00 W # War Rule Canada 1945 only - Aug 14 23:00u 1:00 P # Peace Rule Canada 1945 only - Sep 30 2:00 0 S Rule Canada 1974 1986 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule Canada 1974 2006 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S Rule Canada 1987 2006 - Apr Sun>=1 2:00 1:00 D Rule Canada 2007 max - Mar Sun>=8 2:00 1:00 D Rule Canada 2007 max - Nov Sun>=1 2:00 0 S Line 1090: -4:00 Halifax A%sT 1942 Feb 9 2:00s From: # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone America/Halifax -4:14:24 - LMT 1902 Jun 15 -4:00 Halifax A%sT 1918 -4:00 Canada A%sT 1919 -4:00 Halifax A%sT 1942 Feb 9 2:00s -4:00 Canada A%sT 1946 -4:00 Halifax A%sT 1974 -4:00 Canada A%sT ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.039 ************************