INFO-VAX Sat, 17 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 95 Contents: Re: Fiber connection problems with 1-GB HBA and 4-GB SAN Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Re: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Re: Javascript vulnerabilities Re: Javascript vulnerabilities Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. RE: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Multinet's _BG: driver (Was Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Its Official - OpenVMS on Blades - ok for Public Distributio Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Re: problem with spooled disk Re: Status of Flight ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:40:06 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Fiber connection problems with 1-GB HBA and 4-GB SAN Message-ID: <45D66B06.994E1A78@spam.comcast.net> John wrote: > > Compaq B series > with firmware version V2.6.2d > which is a Brocade 2800 - 1-GB SAN > attached is a DS10 - V7.3-2 with ECO > > EMC DS-4100-B > latest version ? recently purchased > which is a Brocade 4100 - 4-GB SAN > attached is an Adic Scalar i500 tape library > > I have been able to connect the two SANs together - making sure all the > parameters are the same (credits, tov, core-PID, etc.) and unique domain > ID's. The link light comes on and the fabric is established. > Each SAN sees their respective components using the command nsShow > The 1-GB SAN sees the DS10 and the 4-GB SAN > The 4-GB SAN sees the Adic and the 1-GB SAN > (I do not know the command to scan all the WWID devices on the fabric) > > However from the DS10 I can not see the WWID of the Adic > > SYSMAN> IO FIND_WWID > IO FIND_WWID > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node VBUPSV > No previously undiscovered WWIDs have been found. > > SYSMAN> IO LIST_WWID > IO LIST_WWID > %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node VBUPSV Note that FIND modifies the WWID table (SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=* *WWID*). LIST does not - it just shows anything that's not alreday known, and - as you noted - quietly returns without noting that nothing new was discovered. > 1) Is the 1-GB HBA a problem? Firmware issue? Replacement? Missed an ECO? > > 2) Or do I need to create the device using SYSMAN? > SYSMAN> IO CREATE_WWID /WWID=ww:"..." > > 3) What is the SAN command to scan for all WWID devices on the fabric? I wasn't aware that there was one. How can anything "see" interfaces, etc. that are not zoned to it, when zoning is in use? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:04:55 GMT From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: "Alan Frisbie" wrote in message news:1171649780.561441@smirk... >I came in this morning and discovered that some script kiddie cretin > had been trying to log into my VMS FTP server all night long. > Needless to say, VMS identified this as an intrusion attempt and > shut him out. > > The problem is that there are now about seven hours worth of messages > queued to OPA0 (a VT510), making it pretty much useless for the rest > of the day. Is there an easy way to flush the queue without > rebooting VMS? How about Ctrl/O? That should at least speed it up. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:26:18 -0800 From: Alan Frisbie Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: <1171653974.135447@smirk> John Vottero wrote: >> The problem is that there are now about seven hours worth of messages >> queued to OPA0 (a VT510), making it pretty much useless for the rest >> of the day. Is there an easy way to flush the queue without >> rebooting VMS? > > How about Ctrl/O? That should at least speed it up. That flushes one message. There are about 29,000 in the queue. Alan ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 13:59:14 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: In article <1171649780.561441@smirk>, Alan Frisbie writes: > I came in this morning and discovered that some script kiddie cretin > had been trying to log into my VMS FTP server all night long. > Needless to say, VMS identified this as an intrusion attempt and > shut him out. > > The problem is that there are now about seven hours worth of messages > queued to OPA0 (a VT510), making it pretty much useless for the rest > of the day. Is there an easy way to flush the queue without > rebooting VMS? How about (from another terminal): $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND OPA0: ! or is it SYS$INPUT $ REPLY/DISABLE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:04:26 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: <59b6b$45d60e4d$cef8887a$12911@TEKSAVVY.COM> Larry Kilgallen wrote: > $ DEFINE/USER SYS$COMMAND OPA0: ! or is it SYS$INPUT > $ REPLY/DISABLE You can do this from OPA0 itself. Remember that the console is not unusable. It is just being bombarded by constant OPCOM messages. However, REPLY/DISABLE only stops new message from being displayed. OPCOM goes to great lengths to display all messages that were supposed to be displayed on that terminal. There should be a REPLY/FLUSH. At the time OPCOM was written, they probably couldn't foresee the day when script kiddies would generate thousands of messages to OPCOM. And if they are going to update OPCOM, I would really want it to be possible to know what class a message is in. (so that if you want to get rid of those, you can REPLY/DISABLE=class ). Right now, there is no mention at all of the class of an OPCOM message on the display. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 21:42:31 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: <45d62547$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1171649780.561441@smirk>, Alan Frisbie writes: >I came in this morning and discovered that some script kiddie cretin >had been trying to log into my VMS FTP server all night long. >Needless to say, VMS identified this as an intrusion attempt and >shut him out. > >The problem is that there are now about seven hours worth of messages >queued to OPA0 (a VT510), making it pretty much useless for the rest >of the day. Is there an easy way to flush the queue without >rebooting VMS? $ SET TERM/NOBROAD [OPA0:/PERM] $ SET TERM/BROAD [OPA0:/PERM] -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:43:03 -0700 From: Kevin Handy Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: <1171662265_9641@sp6iad.superfeed.net> John Vottero wrote: > "Alan Frisbie" wrote in message > news:1171649780.561441@smirk... >> I came in this morning and discovered that some script kiddie cretin >> had been trying to log into my VMS FTP server all night long. >> Needless to say, VMS identified this as an intrusion attempt and >> shut him out. >> >> The problem is that there are now about seven hours worth of messages >> queued to OPA0 (a VT510), making it pretty much useless for the rest >> of the day. Is there an easy way to flush the queue without >> rebooting VMS? > > How about Ctrl/O? That should at least speed it up. Turn off smooth scrolling if you have it turned on. It won't get rid of the messages, but will make them pass by much faster. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:13:10 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: How to flush OPCOM messages Message-ID: In article <29ffc$45d605fe$cef8887a$7137@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: >John Vottero wrote: >> How about Ctrl/O? That should at least speed it up. > > >Each OPCOM is a separate thing, so CTRL-O would skip to the end of the >currnet OPCOM message. Remember that OPCOMs are broadcasts to a terminal, >just regular output to a terminal. Holding down ctrl-O does help. Not an instant fix, but an improvement. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 13:25:02 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Message-ID: <1171661102.092315.295580@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Feb 16, 11:49 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 10:07:16 AM: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 10:10 pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > > > tadamsmarwrote: > > > > I have the following notes on how to set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > > > > SYSMAN > > > > PARA SET AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > PARA WRITE ACTIVE > > > > PARA WRITE CURRENT > > > > reboot > > > > A late reply here, but I'd note that the above sequence > > > is dangerous! Don't do it... > > > > You're overwriting the CURRENT parameters (as created > > > by AUTOGEN and stored in ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) with the > > > ACTIVE(in-memory) parameters; ALL of them. The > > > ACTIVE paramters do NOT all have the same values > > > as the CURRENT parameters. > > > > Instead, be sure to USE the parameter set you want prior > > > to changing a value: > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > SYSMAN> use active > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> show . ! Verify setting > > > SYSMAN> write active > > > SYSMAN> use current > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> show . > > > SYSMAN> write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV changed > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > Regards, Ken > > > -- > > > Ken & Ann Fairfield > > > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > > > Where: Gmail dot Com > > > Thanks. To be exact: > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > SYSMAN> para use active > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Verify setting > > > SYSMAN> para write active > > > SYSMAN> para use current > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> para show auto > > > SYSMAN> para write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > changed > > > SYSMAN> exit > > ..but IIRC AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, > so "WRITE ACTIVE" will not change anything; > a REBOOT will still be required. Also, you want to add to SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT: AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV=1 Right? > > Did you try: > SYSMAN> para use active > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Really Verify setting > > after "SYSMAN> para write active" above?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 13:15:01 -0800 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Message-ID: <1171660501.138420.167900@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> On Feb 16, 11:49 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 10:07:16 AM: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 10:10 pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > > > tadamsmarwrote: > > > > I have the following notes on how to set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > > > > SYSMAN > > > > PARA SET AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > PARA WRITE ACTIVE > > > > PARA WRITE CURRENT > > > > reboot > > > > A late reply here, but I'd note that the above sequence > > > is dangerous! Don't do it... > > > > You're overwriting the CURRENT parameters (as created > > > by AUTOGEN and stored in ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) with the > > > ACTIVE(in-memory) parameters; ALL of them. The > > > ACTIVE paramters do NOT all have the same values > > > as the CURRENT parameters. > > > > Instead, be sure to USE the parameter set you want prior > > > to changing a value: > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > SYSMAN> use active > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> show . ! Verify setting > > > SYSMAN> write active > > > SYSMAN> use current > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> show . > > > SYSMAN> write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV changed > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > Regards, Ken > > > -- > > > Ken & Ann Fairfield > > > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > > > Where: Gmail dot Com > > > Thanks. To be exact: > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > SYSMAN> para use active > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Verify setting > > > SYSMAN> para write active > > > SYSMAN> para use current > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > SYSMAN> para show auto > > > SYSMAN> para write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > changed > > > SYSMAN> exit > > ..but IIRC AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, > so "WRITE ACTIVE" will not change anything; > a REBOOT will still be required. > > Did you try: > SYSMAN> para use active > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Really Verify setting > > after "SYSMAN> para write active" above?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I did not. Actually I was setting AUTO_DAYLIGHT_SAV to 0 when I was trying the command sequence. I did not verify the setting. But I already knew that this machine had it enabled. Why do the verifiication? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:53:20 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Message-ID: "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 04:15:01 PM: > On Feb 16, 11:49 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 10:07:16 AM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 10:10 pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > > > > tadamsmarwrote: > > > > > I have the following notes on how to set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > > > > > > SYSMAN > > > > > PARA SET AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > PARA WRITE ACTIVE > > > > > PARA WRITE CURRENT > > > > > reboot > > > > > > A late reply here, but I'd note that the above sequence > > > > is dangerous! Don't do it... > > > > > > You're overwriting the CURRENT parameters (as created > > > > by AUTOGEN and stored in ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) with the > > > > ACTIVE(in-memory) parameters; ALL of them. The > > > > ACTIVE paramters do NOT all have the same values > > > > as the CURRENT parameters. > > > > > > Instead, be sure to USE the parameter set you want prior > > > > to changing a value: > > > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > > SYSMAN> use active > > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > SYSMAN> show . ! Verify setting > > > > SYSMAN> write active > > > > SYSMAN> use current > > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > SYSMAN> show . > > > > SYSMAN> write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV changed > > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > > > Regards, Ken > > > > -- > > > > Ken & Ann Fairfield > > > > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > > > > Where: Gmail dot Com > > > > > Thanks. To be exact: > > > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > > SYSMAN> para use active > > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Verify setting > > > > SYSMAN> para write active > > > > SYSMAN> para use current > > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > SYSMAN> para show auto > > > > SYSMAN> para write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > changed > > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > ..but IIRC AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, > > so "WRITE ACTIVE" will not change anything; > > a REBOOT will still be required. > > > > Did you try: > > SYSMAN> para use active > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Really Verify setting > > > > after "SYSMAN> para write active" above?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > I did not. Actually I was setting AUTO_DAYLIGHT_SAV to 0 when I was > trying the command sequence. > I did not verify the setting. But I already knew that this machine > had it enabled. > > Why do the verification? > ..because AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, so you cannot change the ACTIVE parameters and it does not warn you. A reboot is still required Here's my Alpha V7.3-1 SYSGEN> USE ACTIVE SYSGEN> SHO AUTO Parameter Name Current Default Min. Max. Unit Dynamic -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------- AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 0 0 1 Boolean SYSGEN> SET AUTO 0 SYSGEN> WRITE ACTIVE SYSGEN> USE ACTIVE SYSGEN> SHO AUTO Parameter Name Current Default Min. Max. Unit Dynamic -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------- AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 0 0 1 Boolean SYSGEN> Note that I set it and wrote it and it did not complain, but when I read it again and showed it, there was actually no change; the set/write silently did nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:51:36 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Java and JBoss running on Itanium Message-ID: <45d66dac$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr wrote: > Java speed is not a problem any more since the 1.4 version. Java 1.6 > will be 30% faster according to Sun. As always that depend on platform, options and benchmark used. I tested on Win32 with -server and a number crunching style test and I saw 10%. > Memory consumption of Java > applications is the main source of their scalability problems. What is a memory scalability problem ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:40:49 -0700 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: Javascript vulnerabilities Message-ID: <1171672930_11325@sp6iad.superfeed.net> JF Mezei wrote: > http://www.cs.indiana.edu/pub/techreports/TR641.pdf > > A malicious web page can use JAVA and Javascript to essentially scan a > user's LAN for routers and identify the type of router (try to load a > .jpg/.gif file that would be present in a router's HTTP configuration > server, once you know such a file can be served, you also know the > router's brand/type and can try HTTP transactions that log you in to > that router with default password and then send HTTP transactions to > reconfigure the router, or worse, get the router to download new > firmware from a malicious web/ftp site. Thanks for posting that, JF. I wonder if Java(script) code can access a browser's internally saved password list. I regularly use Firefox's ability to supply the required login name/password data at various sites, including my home DSL MODEM/NAT Router. If so, then setting a (relatively) secure password would not help, as the malware could try all the entries until it found the correct one. Jeff ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:18:57 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Javascript vulnerabilities Message-ID: In article <1171672930_11325@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > http://www.cs.indiana.edu/pub/techreports/TR641.pdf > > > > A malicious web page can use JAVA and Javascript to essentially scan a > > user's LAN for routers and identify the type of router (try to load a > > .jpg/.gif file that would be present in a router's HTTP configuration > > server, once you know such a file can be served, you also know the > > router's brand/type and can try HTTP transactions that log you in to > > that router with default password and then send HTTP transactions to > > reconfigure the router, or worse, get the router to download new > > firmware from a malicious web/ftp site. > > Thanks for posting that, JF. > > I wonder if Java(script) code can access a browser's internally saved > password list. I regularly use Firefox's ability to supply the > required login name/password data at various sites, including my home > DSL MODEM/NAT Router. If so, then setting a (relatively) secure password > would not help, as the malware could try all the entries until it found > the correct one. > Section 6.2 of the publication says "Owners of home routers who set a moderately secure password - one that is non-default and non-trivial to guess - are immune to router manipulation via JavaScript!" However, once a router has been compromised, all bets would be off. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:44:00 -0600 From: Dave Harrold Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Message-ID: <53mjciF1sp7mfU1@mid.individual.net> Hi Peter, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > In article <53m3t4F1timvvU1@mid.individual.net>, Dave Harrold writes: >> I am trying to see how much a process has used of its JTQUOTA. I can't >> seem to find that information in any obvious place. >> >> Can someone tell me how to get that information? > > $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$JOB_84067840 > > (LNM$JOB_84067840) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(5744,10000)] > .... > > Or did you mean programmatically? > Thanks. I guess I'm being dense today. Dave -- Dave Harrold, Lead Software Systems Engineer Aurora Health Care 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53215 Phone: (414) 647-6204 FAX: (414) 647-4999 Email: David.Harrold@aurora.org http://www.AuroraHealthCare.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:04:41 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$JOB_84067840 > > (LNM$JOB_84067840) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(5744,10000)] > ... I don't see this in VMS 7.1. What version do you need to get this? -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:11:02 -0600 From: "Forster, Michael" Subject: RE: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Message-ID: On 7.3-2, add a /FULL to the command. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Brown [mailto:mylastname@gmcl.com]=20 Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:05 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=3DLNM$JOB_84067840 > > (LNM$JOB_84067840) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=3D(5744,10000)] > ... I don't see this in VMS 7.1. What version do you need to get this? --=20 Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:29:00 -0700 From: Jim Mehlhop Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Message-ID: <45D6302C.4070306@parsec.com> To look at ANOTHER process outside of your job tree you have to know the JIB address for the other process and specify it in the LNM$JOB_######## Forster, Michael wrote: > On 7.3-2, add a /FULL to the command. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Brown [mailto:mylastname@gmcl.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:05 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > > >>$ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$JOB_84067840 >> >>(LNM$JOB_84067840) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(5744,10000)] >>... > > > I don't see this in VMS 7.1. What version do you need to get this? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:44:38 -0700 From: Jim Mehlhop Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. Message-ID: <45D633D6.4060409@parsec.com> Sorry to follow up my own post CLASS2$ sho log/job/full *********my own quota***** (LNM$JOB_821A9CC0) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(2690,4098)] [Protection=(RWCD,RWCD,,)] [Owner=[STAFF,MEHLHOP]] CLASS2$ an/sy OpenVMS system analyzer SDA> sho sum Current process summary ----------------------- Extended Indx Process name Username State Pri PCB/KTB PHD Wkset -- PID -- ---- --------------- ------------ ------- --- -------- -------- ------ 28600081 0001 SWAPPER SYSTEM HIB 16 81CE37C8 81CE3200 0 . . . 286000B9 0039 TCPIP$OS_MIBS TCPIP$SNMP LEF 10 823D3680 853F4000 188 286000BA 003A TCPIP$XDM_1 TCPIP$XDM LEF 10 823E1900 853F6000 358 286000BD 003D gWLMagent SYSTEM HIB 10 823EDC00 853FA000 1990 286000BE 003E CALIC_RMT SYSTEM LEF 6 823DF500 853F8000 521 286000C6 0046 WCCProxy SYSTEM LEF 6 8203BC80 85402000 388 286246C9 0049 SAUER SAUER LEF 9 8246DA40 85408000 217 286246CD 004D _TNA83: MEHLHOP LEF 5 82195DC0 853FC000 106 286001D7 0057 HANG2 MEHLHOP RWAST 6 82471980 853FE000 99 286001DA 005A HANG3 MEHLHOP LEF 9 82473640 85400000 120 SDA> sho proc/ind=49 ***note JIB addrss of 821CD480**** Process index: 0049 Name: SAUER Extended PID: 286246C9 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Process status: 02040001 RES,PHDRES,INTER status2: 00000001 QUANTUM_RESCHED PCB address 8246DA40 JIB address 821CD480 PHD address 85408000 Swapfile disk address 00000000 KTB vector address 8246DD30 HWPCB address FFFFFFFF.85408080 Callback vector address 00000000 Termination mailbox 0000 Master internal PID 048D0049 Subprocess count 0 Creator extended PID 00000000 Creator internal PID 00000000 Previous CPU Id 00000003 Current CPU Id 00000003 Previous ASNSEQ 0000000000000A32 Previous ASN 0000000000000016 Initial process priority 4 # open files remaining 200/200 Delete pending count 0 Direct I/O count/limit 200/200 UIC [00007,000002] Buffered I/O count/limit 299/300 Abs time of last event 09619C52 BUFIO byte count/limit 95584/99808 # of threads 1 ASTs remaining 9997/10000 Swapped copy of LEFC0 00000000 Timer entries remaining 200/200 Swapped copy of LEFC1 00000000 Active page table count 0 Global cluster 2 pointer 00000000 Process WS page count 217 Press RETURN for more. SDA> exit SDA> exit CLASS2$ sho log/full/table=lnm$job_821CD480 (LNM$JOB_821CD480) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(9216,10000)] [Protection=(RWCD,RWCD,,)] [Owner=[STAFF,SAUER]] "GS_DOC" [super] = "$22$DKA300:[UTILITIES.GS-6_01.DOC]" "GS_LIB" [super] = "$22$DKA300:[UTILITIES.GS-6_01.LIB]" "SYS$LOGIN" [exec] = "STAFF:[SAUER]" "SYS$LOGIN_DEVICE" [exec] = "STAFF:" "SYS$REM_ID" [exec] = "TELNET_0A6400AA" "SYS$REM_NODE" [exec] = "10.100.0.170::" [terminal] "SYS$REM_NODE_FULLNAME" [exec] = "10.100.0.170::" [terminal] "SYS$SCRATCH" [exec] = "STAFF:[SAUER]" CLASS2$ Jim Mehlhop wrote: > To look at ANOTHER process outside of your job tree you have to know > the JIB address for the other process and specify it in the > LNM$JOB_######## > > > Forster, Michael wrote: > >> On 7.3-2, add a /FULL to the command. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Brown [mailto:mylastname@gmcl.com] Sent: Friday, February >> 16, 2007 3:05 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Monitor JTQUOTA usage of another process. >> >> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: >> >> >>> $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$JOB_84067840 >>> >>> (LNM$JOB_84067840) [kernel] [shareable] [Quota=(5744,10000)] >>> ... >> >> >> >> I don't see this in VMS 7.1. What version do you need to get this? >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:14:31 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Multinet's _BG: driver (Was Re: Mark Daniel and/or Hein van den Huevel or anyone Message-ID: Hi Hunter, Thanks for the reply. Does Multinet not have a _BG: driver at least as good/compatible as TCPWare's Cheers Richard Maher "Hunter Goatley" wrote in message news:voZyh.613$B8.370@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > Richard Maher wrote: > >> PPS. Why would one use HGFTP as opposed to whatever comes with your > >> TCP/IP? > > > > It is not an absolute must. > > > > But HGFTP got some nice features. > > > > On the server side I think anonymous FTP in HGFTP are > > way better than the UCX (or whatever it is called nowadays) one. > > > > And even on the client side it has a couple of extra > > nice things. > > > When HGFTP was first released (as MGFTP), it was mostly to provide > an alternative to UCX's FTP client and server, which were (and > still are, IMO) practically useless. It didn't provide anonymous FTP > support, and it didn't support STRU O VMS, which was the defacto > MultiNet standard for transferring files with VMS attributes intact. > > HGFTP also supports UNIX-emulation for directory listings, something > that TCP/IP Services still doesn't do, AFAIK. > > Over the years, lots of additional features were added on the client > side, including an alias database for frequently visited sites, > transfer status information via CTRL-A and CTRL-T that tells how > much time is remaining, a /ANONYMOUS qualifier to automatically > log you in to an anonymous FTP site, and lots more. > > HGFTP runs with all three TCP/IP stacks (thanks to NETLIB). It can > be run as client and server, or either one, and needn't replace > your stack's server or client, but just provide an alternative to > them. > > -- > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ > PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux > goathunter@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:25:19 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Its Official - OpenVMS on Blades - ok for Public Distributio Message-ID: <45D6678F.9FB881BB@spam.comcast.net> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > On Feb 15, 8:38 pm, David J Dachtera > wrote: > > > > Right here - reading up on what's coming into our shop within 18 months: IBM + > > AIX. > > good luck with that convuluted environment ... make sure you use > c on it ... unix and c ... now there is a winner ... Like it or else, Power5 outperforms Alpha (and, thus, Itanic) 3 to 1! ...and since VMS won't be ported, ... ...unless, of course, IBM could be convinced to buy VMS away from HP... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 20:05:48 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <53mh4rF1t2mt9U1@mid.individual.net> In article <45d6036b$0$137$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <45d4412e$0$30102$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, >> "Neil Rieck" writes: >>> >>>> "Main, Kerry" wrote in message >>>> In addition to the above, some additional links of interest: >>>> >>> [...snip...] >>> >>> Don't forget: >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_savings_time (also see Ben >>> Franklin link at bottom) >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005 >> >> Yeah, Daykight Saving Time. And idea that makes no sense now and >> would have made even less sense in the time of Ben Frankilin who >> is supposed to have invented it!! >> >> bill > > Would you like to elaborate on that bombastic statement ? I am curious as > to why you believe that it makes no sense. > All DST does is move the window of daylight within the window of time during which we function. My day (and I am sure most others as well) starts before the sun comes up and ends long after it goes down. What difference does it make where in the second window the first falls? I consume electricity and other resources whne I can't rely on the sun to provide them. The amount of time I spend in natural darkness is the same regardless of where you position window one. In the case of Ben Franklin, the supposed reason was to "save on candles". Considering that in the life a colonial farmer window two was even longer than most of ours today, he had even more darkness on either side of his daylight window. What difference does it make if ou burn candles in the morning or in the evening? Actually, they would have burned them at both ends of their rather long day. Explain again where the saving from this is? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:23:28 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <8b451$45d612c3$cef8887a$7523@TEKSAVVY.COM> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > daylight window. What difference does it make if ou burn candles in the > morning or in the evening? Actually, they would have burned them at both > ends of their rather long day. Lets take the scenario where DST would be in effect all year long. You'd shift darkness from evening to morning. In winter, for northern latitudes, it would make 0 difference since you'd wake up in darkness and cook your dinner in darkness. But for people who live further south, there may be cases where shifting light to eveing might result in people cooking the evening meal in light instead of dark. And this results in reduction of peak electricity demand. Also, I had hear once that electric utilities can tell if it is sunny or cloudy in the day by looking at electric consumption of offices. When it is cloudy, supposeldy people turn on additional lights in their offices. (desk lamps etc). So, if by shifting time, you get light until after 17:00, it might really result in reduction of power consumption in offices. (theoretically). In practice, this silly time change will cause aonly trouble and no advantage because it is done at time of year when days are already long enough that the time change makes no difference. In fact, it may worsen things because people will now need to turn on lights in the morning. Interestingly, down under in australia, it seems that peak electrical demand is in the morning while people take showers, turn on air conditioners and cook breakfast. In north america, it is for the evening meal. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:31:33 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <37c30$45d614a8$cef8887a$7968@TEKSAVVY.COM> > http://news.com.com/Wake+up+to+the+daylight-saving+bug+-+page+2/2100-1011_3-6159840-2.html?tag=st.num Good article on all the Y2K headaches happening all over again. This time, people have just a couple weeks to install a lot of patches since until recently, the time rules were apparanetly in a mild state of flux. This article mentions the need to update JAVA. Can anyone explain why ? Would JAVA just use that OS's time services ? Or does it have its own notion of time offsets etc ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:03:01 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, JF Mezei wrote: > Lets take the scenario where DST would be in effect all year long. > You'd shift darkness from evening to morning. In winter, for > northern latitudes, it would make 0 difference since you'd wake up > in darkness and cook your dinner in darkness. It would make a difference to the kids, since it would not be as dark when they play on the streets after school. In the summer for northern latitudes however, it makes no difference at all, unless it is that it is light so late that the kids won't go to bed. > In practice, this silly time change will cause aonly trouble and no > advantage because it is done at time of year when days are already > long enough that the time change makes no difference. In fact, it > may worsen things because people will now need to turn on lights in > the morning. I always figured that if Daylight Saving Time was so good that we would use it in the winter when we really need the extra daylight. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 13:12:27 -0800 From: "DaveG" Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <1171660347.150521.267600@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Feb 16, 2:31 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > http://news.com.com/Wake+up+to+the+daylight-saving+bug+-+page+2/2100-... > > Good article on all the Y2K headaches happening all over again. This time, > people have just a couple weeks to install a lot of patches since until > recently, the time rules were apparanetly in a mild state of flux. > > This article mentions the need to update JAVA. Can anyone explain why ? > Would JAVA just use that OS's time services ? Or does it have its own > notion of time offsets etc ? It appears that Java does its own time thing. http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/alpha/DST-US.html Dave... ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 22:14:06 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <53moldF1tgmpmU1@mid.individual.net> In article <8b451$45d612c3$cef8887a$7523@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> daylight window. What difference does it make if ou burn candles in the >> morning or in the evening? Actually, they would have burned them at both >> ends of their rather long day. > > > Lets take the scenario where DST would be in effect all year long. You'd > shift darkness from evening to morning. In winter, for northern latitudes, > it would make 0 difference since you'd wake up in darkness and cook your > dinner in darkness. And do most everything else in darkness as well as you would spend the majority of the daylight hours working in an office/factory unless, of course, your a forest ranger. :-) > > But for people who live further south, there may be cases where shifting > light to eveing might result in people cooking the evening meal in light > instead of dark. My kitchen has one window, over the sink, nowhere near the stove. It measures slightly less than 30"x 24" and even though facing west, provides no real usable light. I must turn on lights to cook regardless of the time of day. That is reality as opposed to the pipedreams of congress who don't prepare their meals, the servants do that. > And this results in reduction of peak electricity demand. Hardly. Even moreso when you compare the power consumed by the two 60 watt lightbulbs in y kitchen to the power consumed by any of the devices I need to use to cook my dinner. > > Also, I had hear once that electric utilities can tell if it is sunny or > cloudy in the day by looking at electric consumption of offices. When it is > cloudy, supposeldy people turn on additional lights in their offices. (desk > lamps etc). Another urban legend, I am sure. The lights in every office around me are used the same regardless of the conditions outside. My office faces another building with about 8' between them. On the brightest of days ther eis not enough light coming in to let me not use the lights in m office. I can think of no office I have worked in for the past 30 years that had sufficient natural light to not need artificial lights. And that doesn't even take into consideration the numerous areas within my department that have no exposure to the outside of the building! > > So, if by shifting time, you get light until after 17:00, it might really > result in reduction of power consumption in offices. (theoretically). Theoretically, but not in reality. At least not in my experience over the past 30 years. > > In practice, this silly time change will cause aonly trouble and no > advantage because it is done at time of year when days are already long > enough that the time change makes no difference. In fact, it may worsen > things because people will now need to turn on lights in the morning. It really makes no difference to the average person. Maybe for the wealthy, but not real people. My day starts at 6:00 AM (sometimes 5:00 AM) and goes till around 11:00 PM. My life is probably more typical than atypical. > > Interestingly, down under in australia, it seems that peak electrical > demand is in the morning while people take showers, turn on air > conditioners and cook breakfast. In north america, it is for the evening meal. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 22:17:43 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: <53mos6F1tgmpmU2@mid.individual.net> In article , Rob Brown writes: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, JF Mezei wrote: > >> Lets take the scenario where DST would be in effect all year long. >> You'd shift darkness from evening to morning. In winter, for >> northern latitudes, it would make 0 difference since you'd wake up >> in darkness and cook your dinner in darkness. > > It would make a difference to the kids, since it would not be as dark > when they play on the streets after school. Yeah, but it probably has no effect whatsoever as the Xbox uses just as much electricity when the sun shines as when it doesn't. :-) > > In the summer for northern latitudes however, it makes no difference > at all, unless it is that it is light so late that the kids won't go > to bed. See argument above. :-) > >> In practice, this silly time change will cause aonly trouble and no >> advantage because it is done at time of year when days are already >> long enough that the time change makes no difference. In fact, it >> may worsen things because people will now need to turn on lights in >> the morning. > > I always figured that if Daylight Saving Time was so good that we > would use it in the winter when we really need the extra daylight. It is a silly exercise that probably causes more power consumption than it eliminates. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:43:37 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: In article <8b451$45d612c3$cef8887a$7523@TEKSAVVY.COM>, jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca says... > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > daylight window. What difference does it make if ou burn candles in the > > morning or in the evening? Actually, they would have burned them at both > > ends of their rather long day. > > > Lets take the scenario where DST would be in effect all year long. You'd > shift darkness from evening to morning. In winter, for northern latitudes, > it would make 0 difference since you'd wake up in darkness and cook your > dinner in darkness. > > But for people who live further south, there may be cases where shifting > light to eveing might result in people cooking the evening meal in light > instead of dark. And this results in reduction of peak electricity demand. > > Also, I had hear once that electric utilities can tell if it is sunny or > cloudy in the day by looking at electric consumption of offices. When it is > cloudy, supposeldy people turn on additional lights in their offices. (desk > lamps etc). > > So, if by shifting time, you get light until after 17:00, it might really > result in reduction of power consumption in offices. (theoretically). > > In practice, this silly time change will cause aonly trouble and no > advantage because it is done at time of year when days are already long > enough that the time change makes no difference. In fact, it may worsen > things because people will now need to turn on lights in the morning. DST isn't done for its benefit when the days are short (winter.) It is done for its benefit when the days are long (summer.) > Interestingly, down under in australia, it seems that peak electrical > demand is in the morning while people take showers, turn on air > conditioners and cook breakfast. In north america, it is for the evening meal. Most of Australia is closer to the equator (lower latitude) than most of the US. Day length is less extreme closer to the equator (at the equator, days are always 12 hours long any time of the year), so DST is less significant there. It is much warmer in the evening than in the morning, so I would expect A/C load to be much higher then. (Peak is probably about 2-3 PM local solar time.) ---- The idea is to match daylight hours to the hours when people are up and about. Either convince people to get up earlier in the morning during the times when the days are longer, which doesn't work very well when people need to co-ordinate their schedules (factories, stores or support desks where you need to cover all the shifts with no gaps), or you game the clocks twice a year. Gaming the clocks works better because everyone does it at the same time. People could just wake up at sun rise every day, sleeping later in the winter (and going to bed later in the winter), and getting up earlier in the summer. If you live far enough north (or south, but this applies only to researchers in Antarctica and fishing boat crews), you still have to sleep in daylight part of the year, no matter what schedule you keep, but that doesn't affect that many people or places. The big problem with this is for people who have fixed working hours. Also, many people are *NOT* morning people, and would hate this, and hate anyone who proposed such a thing, evil smiling b*****ds, happy in the morning. :-( BTW, days are getting distinctly longer now than they were a few weeks ago. Here in the Boston area, it is still light out until almost 5:30 PM, it was totally dark at 4:15 in mid December. The Sun is rising about 45 minutes earlier in the morning, too. -- John ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 13:00:04 -0600 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: problem with spooled disk Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > For some strange reason, a VAX in my cluster crashed. It took a while > to come back up (it froze while writing a dump). Now it is back up and > all looks OK except that one of its disks is in MntVerifyTimeout on one > node (on the other nodes it looks fine). I can't dismount it on that > node since it has files spooled to it. > > Is there any way to get out of this without rebooting the node on which > it is in MntVerifyTimeout? I don't recall ever having trouble dismounting a device once it had gone into Mount Verify Timeout. Are you sure you are doing it on the correct node? As JF has mentioned, you can do $ SET DEVICE/NOSPOOLED . This assumes that you know which device(s) are spooled to the disk, since I don't believe there is a display function for that other than a loop using F$GETDVI(device,"SPLDEVNAM") . -- George Cornelius cornelius()eisner.decus.org cornelius()mayo.edu ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2007 18:39:02 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Status of Flight ? Message-ID: <53mc25F1sn92qU4@mid.individual.net> In article <53mbh0F1sn92qU2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <45d59167$0$16325$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, > "Neil Rieck" writes: >> >> "JF Mezei" wrote in message >> news:28d78$45d59c64$cef8887a$31904@TEKSAVVY.COM... >>> Some time ago, I exercised my rights as a non-profit hobbyist (eg: does >>> not profit HP :-) and demanded that Flight be updated to support 24 bit >>> graphic displays. >>> >>> There was mention by a well respected engineer that it could be done >>> rather easily... But no announcements have been made since then about >>> this being fixed... I suspect the person has had many lunch hours since >>> that time, so there is really no excuse. (isn't most of the neat stuff >>> added to VMS during engineers' lunch hours ?) >>> >>> Since then, I have had a few more thoughts on the subject. >>> >>> When Mr Fred decides to spend a few minutes to change a few variables and >>> recompile Flight, could he also spend a few minutes to add one little tiny >>> feature which would be really neat ? >>> >>> Perhaps during his lunch hour, Mr K could incorporate a live interface to >>> Google Earth that would display real images of the ground below the >>> aircraft based on its location, and provide the right image >>> transformation/perspective corresponding to aircraft altitude and angle of >>> view. (including curvature of earth when high enough). Real-time shading >>> for day/night is not hard requirement at this time. >>> >>> >>> Shirley, this would be trivial for an engineer of the calibre we have come >>> to expect for VMS and wouldn't take long to implement ? >>> >>> In fact, I think that this SHOULD be budgeted for by VMS management since >>> such a program would really showcase VMS as a modern operating system >>> fully capable of making full use of the latest and greatest technologies. >>> Flight would become something gamers would WANT to have and pout VMS out >>> there on the map. >>> >>> >>> Note: I am not (yet) demanding that he integrate the rumoured Google Moon >>> and Google Mars products. >>> >>> Happy Friday ! >> >> Rumoured? >> http://www.google.com/mars/ >> http://moon.google.com/ (don't zoom in too close) >> > > So, dows anyone have the coodinates for the Plain of Cidonia? > hey, wait a minute..... It's three tile high and these same three tiles just repeat horizontally over and ove and over..... Does this mean the Mars landings really were just done in a Hollywood studio? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.095 ************************