INFO-VAX Tue, 20 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 101 Contents: Free Flash Games Re: I lehrned it from a boook Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Re: ODS5 and Mozilla Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE problems Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE problems Re: TCPIP : Lost default route Re: TCPIP : Lost default route Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! VT320 or 420 keypad codes Re: VT320 or 420 keypad codes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:28:52 GMT From: Flash Games Subject: Free Flash Games Message-ID: Free Flash Games http://www.clipplay.com/ fun videos games and more. Fun flash games. Free flash games... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:00:25 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: I lehrned it from a boook Message-ID: <45da1df4$0$90271$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > So, if it's not the browser (IE) that gets the archive file and then passes > it on to the JVM, why would Sun's Appletviewer behave so differently (and > much better) than it's own IE inspired JVM? (DLL,Plugin,. . .) Different > code to do exactly the same thing in two sibling utilities? Appletviewer is a tool to run an applet for testing of functionality. Usually (always?) it get the code using file IO not via HTTP. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:30:01 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Message-ID: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <8660a3a10702190544r10df700bnc568ee021f5ef2ec@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: >> On 19 Feb 2007 04:53:52 -0800, bob@instantwhip.com wrote: >>> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/02/16/3329759 >>> >>> >> Um, Earth to Bob? >> >> The only mention of Vista in the article refers to the name of the >> vendor of the software product. >> > Yes it is a SCADA (supervisory control and data aquisition) system. > However to be fair to Bob the article does say that the VMS system replaced a > windows based SCADA system due to the customer having suffered a virus which > shut down the windows system for two days. > > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > >> WWWebb What's really nice is that somebody in management decided that yes, he really could get fired for choosing windows, and regardless of the resistance of the windows advocates, made a decision in favor of less downtime and keeping his job. :-) I wonder what the downtime cost was? Wonder how expensive it has to be before the windows advocates get overruled? Lucky for VMS that someone with the vendor actually knew about VMS and wasn't afraid to rock the windows boat. -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 14:02:07 -0800 From: "Ian Miller" Subject: Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Message-ID: <1171922527.466126.309190@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> and thank you to Keith Cayemberg for the story :-) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 12:15:29 -0800 From: "Rich Jordan" Subject: Re: ODS5 and Mozilla Message-ID: <1171916129.286991.305020@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 10:24 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Trying to save pages or binary files (.zips etc) in Mozilla, it appears > that Mozilla either fails or transforms weird file names to ODS2 standards. > > For instance, trying to save a page's html > > as results.php.html results in the file RESULTS_PHP.HTML being created. > > Also, I tried to subscribe to some newsgroup with a fairly long name as a > test, and while it appears to have worked, when you try to access it, > nothing happens. Turns out that mozilla fails to create some of the control > files because they exceed a certain length. The newsgroup name is roughly > 45 to 50 characters long. > > And I tried with different "long" newsgroup names with the same result. > > And example of a control file: > > > > USRDIR:[JFMEZEI._MOZILLA.DEFAULT.K9EN0HAR_SLT.NEWS.NEWS2_TEKSAVVY_COM]COMP_OS_VMS.MSF > > The system disk is ODS5. > > Is there something which can be done to get Mozilla to make full use of > ODS5 capabilities when creating/saving files ? Do you have the DECC logicals that affect character set operations set? In my login (and in my Apache webserver login) I have the following: $ DEFINE DECC$EFS_CHARSET ENABLE $ DEFINE DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE ENABLE That was needed for various PHP programs and operations to work on the server, and I believe Mozilla is built on routines that honor those logicals. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:43:43 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:8162c$45d9b56c$cef8887a$32763@TEKSAVVY.COM: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> A little energy will be saved and Congress will be able to say >> they took action on our energy issues. > > > It woudl have been much smarter for the USA to switch to the same time > change dates as the rest of the world. > > Having to go through the troubles of changing the DST logic is stupid > since it is still going to be a proprietary USA time that some nearby > courntries are essentially forced to also adopt. > > Countries near the USA who are forced, for practical reasons, to > follow USA changes have no say/vote in your political process. It is > very unfortunate that locally elected proliticians are allowed to > impose their will outside their own jurisdiction. > > Time changes should involve cooperative effort between countries, not > some unilateral decision by local politicians of one country who just > want to be able to brag about having solved the ebergy problem without > really thinking thorugh all the ramifications. > > They can do all they want that affects only their jurisdisdiction. but > when it has effects outside their jurisdiction, it shouldn't be so > easy for uneducated stupid baby kissing politicians to pass some silly > law. If only companies would adopt a position contrary to the politicians and simply change the work schedule to counter the stupidity of labeling time different just because the brightness of light fluctuates with the season. You're certainly right to say that politicians mess with economics, which are unrelated to energy usage, whenever they play with relabeling the time. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 21:26:48 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE problems Message-ID: I've finally removed Appletalk from my system, setup printing to my new JetDirect 300X (~7 years old, but I just cracked the seal on the box Saturday), and patched it to 7.3-2 Update 9 (still need to put TZ-V0300 on). Anyway I've been having problems with SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE not being defined after reboot. I'm running TCP/IP and DECnet Phase IV, so I don't have DTSS. Is there any problem with defining SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE in SYLOGICALS.COM? It seems to have resolved my problem. $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM show AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1". OpenVMS will automatically change to/from Daylight Saving Time. (in time zones that use Daylight Saving Time) LOCAL TIME ZONE = PACIFIC / US -- STANDARD TIME LOCAL SYSTEM TIME = 19-FEB-2007 13:24:19.21 (PST) TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -8:00 TIME ZONE RULE = PST8PDT7,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02 Change PST to PDT on the Second Sunday of March (11-Mar-2007) at 02:00 Change PDT to PST on the First Sunday of November (4-Nov-2007) at 02:00 Zane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:15:48 -0600 From: Bill Hall Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE problems Message-ID: healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > I've finally removed Appletalk from my system, setup printing to my new > JetDirect 300X (~7 years old, but I just cracked the seal on the box > Saturday), and patched it to 7.3-2 Update 9 (still need to put TZ-V0300 on). > > Anyway I've been having problems with SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE not being defined > after reboot. I'm running TCP/IP and DECnet Phase IV, so I don't have DTSS. > Is there any problem with defining SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE in SYLOGICALS.COM? It > seems to have resolved my problem. > > $ @SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM show > > AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is set to "1". > OpenVMS will automatically change to/from Daylight Saving Time. > (in time zones that use Daylight Saving Time) > > LOCAL TIME ZONE = PACIFIC / US -- STANDARD TIME > LOCAL SYSTEM TIME = 19-FEB-2007 13:24:19.21 (PST) > TIME DIFFERENTIAL FACTOR = -8:00 > TIME ZONE RULE = PST8PDT7,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02 > Change PST to PDT on the Second Sunday of March (11-Mar-2007) at 02:00 > Change PDT to PST on the First Sunday of November (4-Nov-2007) at 02:00 > > Zane Verify that you have a command procedure SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM. If it doesn't exist, run UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to create a new one. If it does exist, check the logic in the procedure. The logic may be "bad" if the procedure was created a long time ago and you have done DECnet/DTSS/UCX reconfigurations. If so, just delete TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM and run TC$TIME_SETUP.COM to create a new one that should work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:15:56 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: TCPIP : Lost default route Message-ID: In article <3cefe$45d9ddd7$cef8887a$6791@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > Bart.Zorn@gmail.com wrote: > > In my startup procedures I use several ifconfig commands. I had to add > > a check for the default route at the end, and if it is missing, add it > > again. > > How do you check if default route exists from DCL ? > And is there a way to add it back with ifconfig, or do you use a command > line TCPIP SET ROUTE/DEFAULT command ? > According to my notes: $ tcpip set route /default /gate=192.168.1.1 $ tcpip set route /default /gate=192.168.1.1 /perm $ tcpip show route /default $ tcpip show route /default /perm -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 22:27:34 -0800 From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" Subject: Re: TCPIP : Lost default route Message-ID: <1171952854.456144.10030@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> Yes, now I realise that netstat -r reports an interface for each route entry. Being used to TCPIP SET ROUTE ..., which does not need an interface, it is easy to forget. What I do at the end of TCPIP$SYSTARTUP, is simply search the output of netstat -rn for "default". The output of netstat is slightly easier to parse than the output of TCPIP SHOW ROUTE. Remember to use netstat - rn and not just netstat -r, because the latter probably needs a default route to resolve addresses to names! Bart Zorn On Feb 19, 6:33 pm, Dan Foster wrote: > In article <1171905771.115734.115...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Bart.Z...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I have also seen ifconfig commands remove the default route. > > > In my startup procedures I use several ifconfig commands. I had to add > > a check for the default route at the end, and if it is missing, add it > > again. > > > This looks like a bug to me. But somehow I am reluctant to report it. > > TCPIP is running stable now, and I don't want to disturb that! > > I don't think this is a bug, actually. > > A default route typically references a particular interface. > > If you take that interface down, even for a fraction of second, the > default route no longer makes 'sense' at that moment. > > So the default route automagically gets removed. For good or for bad, > this is how it works. > > Bottom line: if you toggle interface status, better be prepared to readd > the default route after it's back up. :-) > > -Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:33:58 -0500 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <1171904929.374797.276050@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, > sean@obanion.us writes: >> On Feb 19, 5:01 am, b...@instantwhip.com wrote: >>> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/02/16/3329759 >> In the mid '90, I woked with Vista Controls on a distributed multi-CPU >> VAXeln control system for a research aluminum continous cast and >> rolling mill. The standard turnaround for research on this scale was >> one experiment a week. With Vista to implement new controls and UI, >> and a code generator (pretty diagram to C code) for the real time >> contollers, we did one to two experiments a day, three to five days a >> week. >> >> It was (and I suspect still is) a great product, and a very responsive >> company. >> >> They where being forced to Windows even then, and where not very happy >> about it, for what looks like the very reasons the article outlines. > > Just because Windows is the wrong OS for the job doesn't mean VMS is > the right one. Especially if it means moving to a hardware platform > with a very dubious future. Seems to me that they should be looking > at things like QNX and OS9000 for this kind of application. > > bill > In addition to it's reliability and security, VMS also has a very robust development environment. Perhaps that also is quite helpful to people? -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 20:56:09 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <53uh79F1uk458U1@mid.individual.net> In article , Dave Froble writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <1171904929.374797.276050@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, >> sean@obanion.us writes: >>> On Feb 19, 5:01 am, b...@instantwhip.com wrote: >>>> http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/02/16/3329759 >>> In the mid '90, I woked with Vista Controls on a distributed multi-CPU >>> VAXeln control system for a research aluminum continous cast and >>> rolling mill. The standard turnaround for research on this scale was >>> one experiment a week. With Vista to implement new controls and UI, >>> and a code generator (pretty diagram to C code) for the real time >>> contollers, we did one to two experiments a day, three to five days a >>> week. >>> >>> It was (and I suspect still is) a great product, and a very responsive >>> company. >>> >>> They where being forced to Windows even then, and where not very happy >>> about it, for what looks like the very reasons the article outlines. >> >> Just because Windows is the wrong OS for the job doesn't mean VMS is >> the right one. Especially if it means moving to a hardware platform >> with a very dubious future. Seems to me that they should be looking >> at things like QNX and OS9000 for this kind of application. >> >> bill >> > > In addition to it's reliability and security, VMS also has a very robust > development environment. Perhaps that also is quite helpful to people? Yes, well, knowing how boob likes to trot out CERT as the ultimate proof....... OpenVMS/VMS 7 Cert Vulnerabilities listed OS9000 0 Cert Vulnerabilities listed So, based on boob's favorite criteria, which OS should they have chosen? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 23:46:43 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <53ur73F1ueg34U1@mid.individual.net> In article <1171927905.464265.253830@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > On Feb 19, 1:51 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> Just because Windows is the wrong OS for the job doesn't mean VMS is >> the right one. Especially if it means moving to a hardware platform >> with a very dubious future. Seems to me that they should be looking >> at things like QNX and OS9000 for this kind of application. > > vms is great for real time, which is what these apps run, and vms > doesn't > get viruses, and vms clusters do not go down ... > > can those other junk os's do that ... NO Come on Boob. OS9000 beat out VSM in your favorite criteria. No CERT vulnerabilites. Zip. Nada. None. And somehow, I don't think "clusters" is high on the Real-time functionality list. As for viruses. Show me one case of an OS9000 virus. just one. Go ahead, I'm waiting. I didn't think so. > > and if you look at the few cert counts vms had, you would see how > trivial > they really where ... and those few are probably becuase of the c > garbage > they was forced to use to convert ... Bullcrap. You aren't listening (again!). If the small number for VMS is the proof, OS9000 has ZERO. Can't get any smaller than that. > > vms also has more exposure in all aspects of business, esp. internet > and > mail and web services ... Yeah, I know. People are always telling me about "that VMS thing that used to exist. But it's been dead now for quite a while." Lot's of exposure. Heck, you can see it mentioned in any trade journal you pick up. If oyu happen to pick one up in a doctor's office where the magazies are always 10-15 years old. > > vms runs circles around every other os out there Dream on. > ... sorry Bill, but > vms learned > from unix's mistakes ... UNIX IS STILL CONVULUTED JUNK, and that will > never change without a total rewrite ... Well, I wasn't talking about Unix so this just proves even more that you have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old. And we won't even go into the fact that you are just plain wrong, as usual. Your drivel does more to make VMS look bad than anyone else I have ever seen, including HP. I guess the only redeeming factor is that nobody cares enough about VMS to ever find your drivel and no one here is ever likely to take you seriously. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 13:58:53 -0800 From: roland@logikalsolutions.com Subject: VT320 or 420 keypad codes Message-ID: <1171922333.029921.307590@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> Hello all, I was poking around with the KONSOLE program which comes with SuSE Linux 10.2 AMD64 edition and found it does a fairly descent job of VT420 emulation, sans the keypad codes. I found the config file, and the comment, and the Qt header file. Someone just didn't have the scan codes to enter for translation. It looks like it is completely doable with just a few minutes of work...anyone have a link to the scan codes sent back by the keypad keys? I looked at VT100.NET and didn't see what I needed. The X-term stuff shipping with this version is pretty annoying. No cutting and pasting with mouse and no screen printing. KONSOLE seems to interpret the codes coming back to the screen correctly and correctly handle the function keys. It just needs the mapping for the keypad filled out. Thanks, Roland ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2007 16:54:31 -0800 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk Subject: Re: VT320 or 420 keypad codes Message-ID: <1171932871.441883.255780@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 20 Feb, 01:40, Tad Winters wrote: > I thought I had a VT 420 manual, but I can't seem to find it. I'm > guessing a VT 320 is pretty close. I do have a VT420 manual to hand, and confirm you are correct -- the eascpe sequences you quote are identical. 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