INFO-VAX Thu, 01 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 119 Contents: Re: C RTL logical features Re: C RTL logical features Re: Canadian OpenVMS Seminar (07.02.20) Re: create directory Re: F$GETJPI doesn't match SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Re: OT: Quebec Health Care Virus RE: Quebec Health Care Virus Re: Quebec Health Care Virus RE: Quebec Health Care Virus Re: set up MICR printing on OpenVMS and Powerhouse SWAT using Samba v3 on VMS8.2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Feb 2007 20:13:15 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: C RTL logical features Message-ID: <45e5e25b$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <00A63E8C.737DD6E6@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >I have Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3. I could never get the >ZIP file from the CD with V7.1 to work to install anything newer so I'm >stuck here. You mean, you didn't know how to repair a backup saveset file where the RMS file attributes hasn't been stored in the zip archive with ZIP "-9V"? This is covered in the VMS FAQ for some years now. In short: $ SET FILE/ATT=(LRL=32256,RAT=NONE,RFM=FIX) CC071.% Happy upgrading -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:22:22 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: C RTL logical features Message-ID: <00A63ED4.B5069759@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <45e5e25b$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > > >In article <00A63E8C.737DD6E6@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>I have Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3. I could never get the >>ZIP file from the CD with V7.1 to work to install anything newer so I'm >>stuck here. > >You mean, you didn't know how to repair a backup saveset file where the >RMS file attributes hasn't been stored in the zip archive with ZIP "-9V"? >This is covered in the VMS FAQ for some years now. > >In short: $ SET FILE/ATT=(LRL=32256,RAT=NONE,RFM=FIX) CC071.% > >Happy upgrading Yeah, I didn't know that as I've never used VMS before. :roll: The installation gets about 1/2 through restoring save set .B and then barfs. It is not a file attribute issue as the file is 32256 fixed. It also seems to be able to handle the .A save set component. However, yesterday I did pull the CC071.SFX_AXPEXE down from the HP DSPP site and it DID unzip properly. Hmmm... Maybe I made a mistake with my $ COPY CD:[CC071.KIT]CC071.SFX_AXPEXE SYS$LOGIN:/LOG command? What do you think? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:50:19 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Canadian OpenVMS Seminar (07.02.20) Message-ID: Jay E. Morris wrote: > If it had been the special forces version, there'd be a tree involved and > he'd still be there. Well, it was done within the confines of the HP offices, so there were limits on how far people could go with the torture... It is a shame Dave Frobble has been absent, the baseball bat was done just for him... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:07:09 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: create directory Message-ID: briggs@encompasserve.org wrote on 02/27/2007 08:06:06 AM: > In article <45E42070.9060201@comcast.net>, bradhamilton > writes: > > Bob Jones wrote: > >> I am a beginner in VMS, coming from UNIX. Trying to create a new directory > >> under the current directory, but forgot to use the '.'. > >> > >> create /directory [newdir] $ CREATE/DIRECTORY/LOG/OWNER=PARENT [.newdir] will show you where it got created if you accidently omit the dot. > >> > >> Now I cannot find where this dir is created. Please help! > > > > directory :[newdir] > > That will display the directory contents rather than the directory file. > > > It has been created on the "top" level of the disk that you "were", at > > the time the command was issued. > > > > Now your job will be to find out which disk that was. If you have only > > one disk, your task is easy; if not, your task is as hard as the number > > of disks on your system. > > And as easy as going to where he was when he created the directory > and doing: > > $ DIR [000000]NEWDIR.DIR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:40:16 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: F$GETJPI doesn't match SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING Message-ID: <45E62F00.580D5CEF@spam.comcast.net> Richard Maher wrote: > > Hi David, > > It looks like you're doing this que lookup stuff in DCL and are presumably > very happy with it. But I'm just curious to know if using a html and > Javascript front-end was as easy as below, whether you'd consider using > that. Depends - how easy is it to automate? Given how dangerous this stuff is (requires privilege), I don't think making it "point-and-click" playtime is really appropriate. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:49:02 -0800 From: "UnderMine" Subject: Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Message-ID: <1172699342.870900.198490@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> On Feb 28, 3:59 pm, "Jilly" wrote: > You want to look at [OpenVMS] CPU Operating System Versions and Release > Dates Table & Flowchart > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/009B59C8-... Unfortunately this diagram only helps me so far in the history of VMS. It still leaves me with a couple of my questions as neither MircoVMS or VAXELN are mentioned. As far as I am able to determine MicroVMS and VMS releases were not done at the same time even though they seem to have very similar version numbering. So what exactly is the relationship between the VMS and MicroVMS? Thanks for the help Paddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:56:45 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Message-ID: "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/21/2007 10:21:14 AM: > On Feb 16, 4:53 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 04:15:01 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 16, 11:49 am, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > > > "tadamsmar" wrote on 02/16/2007 10:07:16 AM: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 10:10 pm, Ken Fairfield > > wrote: > > > > > > tadamsmarwrote: > > > > > > > I have the following notes on how to set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > > > > > > > > SYSMAN > > > > > > > PARA SET AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > > > PARA WRITE ACTIVE > > > > > > > PARA WRITE CURRENT > > > > > > > reboot > > > > > > > > A late reply here, but I'd note that the above sequence > > > > > > is dangerous! Don't do it... > > > > > > > > You're overwriting the CURRENT parameters (as created > > > > > > by AUTOGEN and stored in ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) with the > > > > > > ACTIVE(in-memory) parameters; ALL of them. The > > > > > > ACTIVE paramters do NOT all have the same values > > > > > > as the CURRENT parameters. > > > > > > > > Instead, be sure to USE the parameter set you want prior > > > > > > to changing a value: > > > > > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > > > > SYSMAN> use active > > > > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > > SYSMAN> show . ! Verify setting > > > > > > SYSMAN> write active > > > > > > SYSMAN> use current > > > > > > SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > > SYSMAN> show . > > > > > > SYSMAN> write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV changed > > > > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > > > > > Regards, Ken > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Ken & Ann Fairfield > > > > > > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > > > > > > Where: Gmail dot Com > > > > > > > Thanks. To be exact: > > > > > > > > $ MCR SYSMAN > > > > > > SYSMAN> para use active > > > > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Verify setting > > > > > > SYSMAN> para write active > > > > > > SYSMAN> para use current > > > > > > SYSMAN> para set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > > > > > > SYSMAN> para show auto > > > > > > SYSMAN> para write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > > > changed > > > > > > SYSMAN> exit > > > > > > ..but IIRC AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, > > > > so "WRITE ACTIVE" will not change anything; > > > > a REBOOT will still be required. > > > > > > Did you try: > > > > SYSMAN> para use active > > > > SYSMAN> para show auto ! Really Verify setting > > > > > > after "SYSMAN> para write active" above?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > I did not. Actually I was setting AUTO_DAYLIGHT_SAV to 0 when I was > > > trying the command sequence. > > > I did not verify the setting. But I already knew that this machine > > > had it enabled. > > > > > Why do the verification? > > > > ..because AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV is not dynamic, so you cannot change the > > ACTIVE parameters and it does not warn you. A reboot is still required > > > > Here's my Alpha V7.3-1 > > > > SYSGEN> USE ACTIVE > > SYSGEN> SHO AUTO > > Parameter Name Current Default Min. Max. Unit > > Dynamic > > -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- > > ------- > > AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 0 0 1 Boolean > > SYSGEN> SET AUTO 0 > > SYSGEN> WRITE ACTIVE > > SYSGEN> USE ACTIVE > > SYSGEN> SHO AUTO > > Parameter Name Current Default Min. Max. Unit > > Dynamic > > -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- > > ------- > > AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 0 0 1 Boolean > > SYSGEN> > > > > Note that I set it and wrote it and it did not complain, but when I read it > > again > > and showed it, there was actually no change; the set/write silently did > > nothing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > So, the proper procedure would be: > > $ MCR SYSMAN > SYSMAN> param use current > SYSMAN> param set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > SYSMAN> param show AUTO > SYSMAN> param write current > SYSMAN> exit > > The reboot and update MODPARAMS.DAT > > And same procedure to turn it off, except set it to 0. > > Correct? > Correct. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:37:58 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Message-ID: <45E62E76.A6DCD680@spam.comcast.net> John Wallace wrote: > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in message > news:45E4F593.64F10254@spam.comcast.net... > > > > http://www.goldenhawk.com/freeware.htm > > > > I was unable to find a download link for the freeware described at that > URL. > > > > It's there, but apparently slightly hidden :) The freeware page tells you > what's available for free, and says "NOTE: The freeware programs are > included with the rest of the DOS programs on the download page." When you > go to the download page (via the "download area" button on lhs of the > freeware page), pick one of the MS-DOS downloads, which will include the > freeware. You'll need to enter a name and an email address before > downloading. Thanx! Got it! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:34:50 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Message-ID: <45E62DBA.38F6778A@spam.comcast.net> FredK wrote: > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in message > news:45E4F22A.1498DB13@spam.comcast.net... > > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > >> > >> David J Dachtera wrote: > >> > Stephen Hoffman wrote: > >> >> [snip] > >> >> The whole box is emulated. > >> >> > >> >> That is orders of magnitude larger than an emulated IDE ATA disk > >> >> interface. This could be something in the structures leading back to > >> >> the controller that's not quite right, or an instruction-level error, > >> >> or > >> >> most anything else that could conceivably be wrong with "hardware". > >> >> > >> >> APB has not gotten as far along as the "real" OpenVMS drivers here. > >> >> APB and SYSBOOT both use APB-based drivers. Once SYSBOOT is rolling, > >> >> then more advanced drivers are loaded and activated. > >> > > >> > What we sem to be overlooking here also is that WRITEBOOT enables the > >> > PRIMARY > >> > bootstrap to find APB (the SECONDARY bootstrap). However, APB can't > >> > find SYSBOOT > >> > (the tertiary bootstrap). > >> > >> APB.EXE is the primary bootstrap for OpenVMS Alpha. > >> > >> SYSBOOT.EXE is the secondary bootstrap. > > > > I start counting one layer lower: > > > > Boot block - Primary (WRITEBOOT "patches" it so APB can be found) > > APB - Secondary > > SYSBOOT - Tertiary > > > > You can count any way you like... you will just differ in terminology from > the rest of the world. > > The boot block isn't a bootstrap. It just tells you how to find the primary > bootstrap (it isn't code, it's a pointer). ...in VMS-land. Elsewhere, the "bootblock" is still the "primitive (primary) loader" that reads from a certain disk address for so many sectors into memory beginning at a specific address, then transfers control to that pre-determined address in memory. I remember keying a bootstrap program into a DG Nova-3 from the front panel, setting the start address, then hitting the "Run" button... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:22:00 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: OT: Quebec Health Care Virus Message-ID: <1172697720.233448.191600@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Feb 27, 1:14 pm, "Doug Phillips" wrote: > On Feb 26, 9:43 pm, b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2:02 pm, "Doug Phillips" wrote: > > > > > 3 ILLEGALS ... are driving hospitals and other doctors out of > > > > business > > > > with a requirement they be treated without paying ... > > > > > add those three up and there is your problem ... > > > > Now you sound like someone who has no knowledge of the situation, but > > > are just parroting some talking heads. > > > really ... just ask all the people flocking to Las Vegas and Phoenix > > why > > they are and also the businesses and they will tell you > > Ok. Ahhem; > > Dear People flocking to Las Vegas and Phoenix. > > Why are you and also the businesses? Please tell me. > > Thank you. > Doug Phillips- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I told you what they told me already ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:58:49 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Quebec Health Care Virus Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu=20 > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: February 27, 2007 6:04 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Quebec Health Care Virus >=20 > In article=20 > qcorp.net>, > "Main, Kerry" writes: > >=20 > > While this may have been true in the past, recent events like this > > health care issues and many other issues where serious=20 > security issues > > have been highlighted and potentially have struck some=20 > serious nerves at > > high places. > >=20 > > As an example, would you continue to do business with a company that > > just sent you and many thousands of others a registered letter that > > stated your personal information had been compromised and you should > > watch your bank accounts and credit cards for the next year or two? >=20 > You mean like the VA? So, what are my options if I choose not to > use them? A national Health System would suffer the exact same > shortcoming. >=20 Well, as I recall it was a laptop at the center of the VA incident and the CIO (or similar level position) and individual involved were both fired and/or resigned. Obviously National systems that are common have bigger impact which imho, means they should be taking seucrity and their new IT deployment decisions much more seriously. [snip...] Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2007 14:12:33 -0800 From: "Doug Phillips" Subject: Re: Quebec Health Care Virus Message-ID: <1172700753.106990.141600@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Feb 28, 12:58 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: b...@triangle.cs.uofs.edu > > [mailto:b...@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > > Sent: February 27, 2007 6:04 PM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: Quebec Health Care Virus > > > In article > > > qcorp.net>, > > "Main, Kerry" writes: > > > > While this may have been true in the past, recent events like this > > > health care issues and many other issues where serious > > security issues > > > have been highlighted and potentially have struck some > > serious nerves at > > > high places. > > > > As an example, would you continue to do business with a company that > > > just sent you and many thousands of others a registered letter that > > > stated your personal information had been compromised and you should > > > watch your bank accounts and credit cards for the next year or two? > > > You mean like the VA? So, what are my options if I choose not to > > use them? A national Health System would suffer the exact same > > shortcoming. > > Well, as I recall it was a laptop at the center of the VA incident and > the CIO (or similar level position) and individual involved were both > fired and/or resigned. > That's basically what you find if you look it up. That was not a computer system problem, but a people problem. As long as there are people in the equation there exists a potential for security breaches. Unfortunately, Windows still has the desk top even though the VHA's system is VMS on the back-end. > Obviously National systems that are common have bigger impact which > imho, means they should be taking seucrity and their new IT deployment > decisions much more seriously. > The system is all about people and their health and the people who need that information aren't all working in secured bunkers. Preventing viewed data from being stored on a portable computer is almost impossible. Preventing portable computers from being used any place where data can be viewed is almost impossible. Security is a balancing act. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:59:04 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Quebec Health Care Virus Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Phillips [mailto:dphill46@netscape.net]=20 > Sent: February 28, 2007 5:13 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Quebec Health Care Virus >=20 > On Feb 28, 12:58 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: b...@triangle.cs.uofs.edu > > > [mailto:b...@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > > > Sent: February 27, 2007 6:04 PM > > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > > Subject: Re: Quebec Health Care Virus > > > > > In article > > > > > qcorp.net>, > > > "Main, Kerry" writes: > > > > > > While this may have been true in the past, recent=20 > events like this > > > > health care issues and many other issues where serious > > > security issues > > > > have been highlighted and potentially have struck some > > > serious nerves at > > > > high places. > > > > > > As an example, would you continue to do business with a=20 > company that > > > > just sent you and many thousands of others a registered=20 > letter that > > > > stated your personal information had been compromised=20 > and you should > > > > watch your bank accounts and credit cards for the next=20 > year or two? > > > > > You mean like the VA? So, what are my options if I choose not to > > > use them? A national Health System would suffer the exact same > > > shortcoming. > > > > Well, as I recall it was a laptop at the center of the VA=20 > incident and > > the CIO (or similar level position) and individual involved=20 > were both > > fired and/or resigned. > > >=20 > That's basically what you find if you look it up. That was not a > computer system problem, but a people problem. As long as there are > people in the equation there exists a potential for security breaches. >=20 Security =3D People + Process + Technology.=20 You need all three. If any one of the three is weak, then the entire solution is weak. Chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Imho, if the technology part of the security solution is weak, then the entire security solution is weak. [snip...] Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:28:32 -0800 From: "Doug Phillips" Subject: Re: set up MICR printing on OpenVMS and Powerhouse Message-ID: <1172698112.444852.79750@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com> On Feb 28, 2:57 pm, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > On Feb 28, 2:26 pm, Rob Brown wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, ddujon wrote: > > > print 1 line MICr with check no etc. .How do I get the font into > > > Openvms. Where can I get the font? > > > I have no idea. > > > > I have an HP laserjet 2420dn which can handle the font. > > > I thought MICR was Magnetic Ink Character Recognition. Is magnetic > > ink no longer required? > > I have a client that prints their own checks - they have an HP laser > printer and use special magnetic toner to print the checks. They use > VMS, too, but I'm not sure exactly how they switch to the MICR font. > I think they might have a font cartiridge for it. > > Yes. You buy a font cartridge, or soft font that you load into the printer's memory and you use special toner. Printing raw text, just use PCL escape sequences to switch to and from fonts. Here's an HP link about MICR printing: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:11:50 +1100 From: "Gremlin" Subject: SWAT using Samba v3 on VMS8.2 Message-ID: <12ucdjv5bm36133@corp.supernews.com> Hi All Have installed the Samba v3 evaluation from HP and it is up and running OK, However, I want to use SWAT to modify the smb.conf - so, I can see SWAT in samba_root:[bin] and I can see the commented out line to stop the SWAT service in the shutdown routine, but there is no start command for it! Trying tcpip enable service swat gets me a service not found message. Can anyone suggest how I can start SWAT please? 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