INFO-VAX Sun, 25 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 167 Contents: Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Boot Camp Update March for Friday 23rd Re: Boot Camp Update March for Friday 23rd Re: ENOUGH! Re: ENOUGH! Re: Gore brainwashing world to ban the light bulb! Re: New site for OpenVMS books Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Re: Progress Graphic Re: Progress Graphic Re: Progress Graphic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Mar 2007 13:18:21 -0700 From: genius@marblecliff.com Subject: Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Message-ID: <1174767501.278139.181190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Mar 24, 1:11 pm, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" wrote: Some > more accurate bible translations replace "virgin" with "young woman" you mean some misguided translations that are trying to discredit the virgin birth ... if you do not believe in the virgin birth, you certainly no Christian protestant ... as far as priests marrying, they should not as Paul stated if you are called to service for God it is better to not marry, unless you are burning in lust then you should marry for it is better to marry than to burn in lust ... you cannot serve God full time with a family to worry about ... like Paul says, not everyone is called to be celibate, but it is better if you are if you are called to serve God ... ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2007 13:42:04 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Message-ID: <1174768924.155125.117350@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" wrote: > On Mar 24, 10:49 am, "AEF" wrote: > > > On Mar 24, 8:59 am, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" > > [...snip...] > > > > Bullshit. Christian schools are run by both Catholics and protestants > > > and they many have some coverage of all of the world's religions. Even > > > though the protestants had a head start, they have fallen behind. > > > Catholics have abandoned the old testament as irrelevant and only use > > > it for historical reference. Many North American protestants easily > > > move from the new to the old testament when ever it suits them. > > > Say what? Catholics consider the Ten Commandments irrelevant? > > I didn't say that Catholics considered the Ten Commandment irrelevant. > I did say "they consider the old testament irrelevant" but should have > added that "this is in the context of teaching Christianity". For > example: the old testament teaches "an eye for an eye" while the new > testament teaches "turn the other cheek". Therefore new replaces old. But the Ten Commandments are from the Old Testament!!! [...] > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:02:12 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: 216 Million Americans Are Scientifically Illiterate (Part II) Message-ID: <4605a178$0$12467$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote in message news:1174767501.278139.181190@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 24, 1:11 pm, "n.ri...@sympatico.ca" > wrote: > Some >> more accurate bible translations replace "virgin" with "young woman" > > you mean some misguided translations that are trying to discredit the > virgin birth ... if you do not believe in the virgin birth, you > certainly no Christian protestant ... > Many scholars think this fact was concocted so that Christianity could spread around the Mediterranean. There would be no chance for Jesus to compete with Hercules son of Zeus. On top of that, god is all powerful so the virgin birth would not really be a requirement. > > as far as priests marrying, they should not as Paul stated if you > are called to service for God it is better to not marry, unless you > are burning in lust then you should marry for it is better to marry > than to burn in lust ... > The original meaning of "celibacy" is "unmarried". It is a suggestion in most church writings until the Council of Trent in 1563. The reason for this was the church had a problem: a priest would die and his family would refuse to move out of the local church to make way for the next priest. Of course, this new rule didn't stop the cardinals and some popes from having families on the sly. So it's all very well to quote the unmarried Paul the way we do; many Christians still use his teachings to keep women out of the pulpit. But is this a religion about Paul or about Jesus? > > you cannot serve God full time with a family to worry about ... > like Paul says, not everyone is called to be celibate, but it > is better if you are if you are called to serve God ... > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2007 14:41:46 -0700 From: "Sue" Subject: Boot Camp Update March for Friday 23rd Message-ID: <1174772506.425101.151630@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, If I have not mentioned it recently, thank you for all your support, I really value you and enjoy it when you send me email. If you send me email at my HP address I am more likely to see it. By the way when you its NEVER a problem ;') folks always say that when they have a question. sue I sent this out yesterday via email and wanted to post it to the newsgroup. What I forgot to mention is the following. We are having free seminars the week before and may be adding another for attendees only this will be at the HP office (ZKO). Crash Dump Analysis (5 days) Monday to Friday Porting workshop Wed-Friday bring your application this is free but you do not get a machine TCP/IP - Thursday and Friday - this only has 4 seats left -------------------------------- It is my pleasure to provide this weeks boot camp update. The biggest update is that the agenda has been submitted and will be available on the web soon. As far as attendance goes. 53 currently registered 147 seats available 41.5% of the folks registered have never been to a boot camp Countries Represented Germany = 7 Netherlands = 4 England - 1 Ireland - 1 Austria - 1 Sweden = 5 Greece = 1 Hungary = 1 Canada =2 US = 30 Warm Regards, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:35:58 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Boot Camp Update March for Friday 23rd Message-ID: <4605D1FE.F76B466D@spam.comcast.net> Sue wrote: > > Dear Newsgroup, > > If I have not mentioned it recently, thank you for all your support, I > really value you and enjoy it when you send me email. If you send me > email at my HP address I am more likely to see it. By the way when > you its NEVER a problem ;') folks always say that when they have a > question. You are a priceless treasure, Sue. I was becoming concerned not having seen much mail from you last week. > I sent this out yesterday via email and wanted to post it to the > newsgroup. > > What I forgot to mention is the following. We are having free > seminars the week before and may be adding another for attendees only > this will be at the HP office (ZKO). > > Crash Dump Analysis (5 days) Monday to Friday Highly recommendable. I did this last year. Rob is THE man in this arena! > Porting workshop Wed-Friday bring your application this is free but > you do not get a machine Any chance they'd go for some major discounts - perhaps with a working person's budget in mind? I'm sure some folks would be glad to purchase a machine out of their own resources, provided the tab is considerably less than two-week's pay (not more than $1800US - still a tough sell to "the administration" (one's spouse - just put yourself in the wife's shoes)). -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:36:15 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: ENOUGH! Message-ID: <4605a7d4$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I can't find any VMS content here between the religious/non-religious > biased drivel, > I can probably get more search hits on "VMS" by searching the base-64 > encoded posts in alt.binaries.sex.some.bizarre.disgusting.perversion > than I can find here. > Thanks and I'll tune in again when everybody can, at least, put OT: on > these completely OFF TOPIC postings. I think it is many years ago that c.o.v/I-V stopped being a real technical forum. What HP should do know and what HP/Compaq/Digital should have done 5/10/20 years ago has long been the dominant topic. If you ask me - the difference between that and a DCL or VMS sysmgmt questions is bigger than between that and global warming discussions. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:00:34 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: ENOUGH! Message-ID: <4605d7b6$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard B. gilbert wrote: > All these people who know best how DEC/Compaq/HP SHOULD have managed and > marketed VMS and how many are president of anything or sit on the board > of directors of anything?!?! How many manage to earn $200K/year or more > doing anything at all? I include myself, BTW. Good question. My guess: very few. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:14:29 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Gore brainwashing world to ban the light bulb! Message-ID: <4605CCF5.C005E0F4@spam.comcast.net> Tad Winters wrote: > > "AEF" wrote in > news:1174689678.390639.70560@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com: > > > Oh, the other problem I have with electric burners is that they're > > often too big. I see most people unnecessarily put pots on a burner > > that's too big so a lot of the heat escapes around the pot. I've never > > seen that problem with gas burners. And some pots are smaller than the > > smallest burners, so you can't help but waste energy. > > My electric stove has 4 burners. Each burner has a switch which allows you > to select 1 of 2 diameters for heating. I like it! Make / model / vintage please? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:36:27 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: New site for OpenVMS books Message-ID: <46056319$0$16302$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote in message news:1174756221.462378.4290@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >I don't know how many are interested in this or not, but I hired > professionals to set up a site for both "The Minimum You Need to Know > to Be an OpenVMS Application Developer" and "The Minimum You Need to > Know About Java on OpenVMS Volume 1". > > http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com > This is a much better looking site than your previous one. Congrats. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2007 11:45:31 -0700 From: "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" Subject: Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Message-ID: <1174761931.493792.20290@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Mar 21, 5:34 pm, JF Mezei wrote: [...snip...] > > I don't think "customer demand" was a big factor per say. I think that they > looked at their new reduced headcount and had to prioritise where resources are > allocated. Right now, VMS is being tasked by HP to help prop up that IA64 thing. > > And once HP finally announces the end of IA64, resources will go to porting VMS > to the 8086. > You meant to say "x86-64" right? Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:08:13 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Message-ID: <4605CB7D.CF8B1CDA@spam.comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:24:40 -0800, David J Dachtera > wrote: > > > [snip] > > Perhaps, at some point, this will dawn on HP - perhaps after their UX > > business > > has already spun down the commode and the government has taken over > > OpenVMS, > > [snip] > > Is that an option available to the government? Are there *ANY* options which are *NOT* available to the government? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:13:59 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Not on latest Roadmap: OpenVMS VAX Version 8.x "under investigation" Message-ID: <4605CCD7.EE262D07@spam.comcast.net> "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" wrote: > > On Mar 21, 5:34 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > [...snip...] > > > > I don't think "customer demand" was a big factor per say. I think that they > > looked at their new reduced headcount and had to prioritise where resources are > > allocated. Right now, VMS is being tasked by HP to help prop up that IA64 thing. > > > > And once HP finally announces the end of IA64, resources will go to porting VMS > > to the 8086. > > > > You meant to say "x86-64" right? You and I both know that the 8086 was an 8/16 bit processor and IA64 is a 64-bit processor family. To JF, however, "8086" is his generic reference for the 8088, 8086 and 80x86 processor families, as well as their descendents and relatives. HP has "bet their business" on I64 and UX. Apparently, they're prepared to go down with the UX ship (Itanic will be bouyed up by sales of other o.s.-es long after UX has sunk for lack of an Enterprise-class hardware platform, IMO). Talk about betting the farm on the long-shot... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:42:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Progress Graphic Message-ID: <715b3$46058d30$cef8887a$3444@TEKSAVVY.COM> Tom Linden wrote: > Is there any freeware available to display the progress of, > say, running backup, such as a single bar graph as is customary > on PCs? Backup as of 8.3 has many such hooks now. And if you press CTRL-T, you get much more information on the progress of a backup. If you look at the cov archives from the days when Guy Peleg was still a VMS engineer, a lot of the details were explained. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:26:44 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Progress Graphic Message-ID: <4605CFD4.4CB62F08@spam.comcast.net> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > > > > >Is there any freeware available to display the progress of, > >say, running backup, such as a single bar graph as is customary > >on PCs? > > How? Web based? Or something else in mind? Well, I could imagine a DECwindows interface to the BACKUP API that could possibly make certain assumptions based on the used disk space on the disk volume(s) involved. Of course, it would need to sample all of the inputs and collect the associated disk space so the bar-graph could display the progress as the backup runs. Not sure how else that might be accomplished. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:02:30 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Progress Graphic Message-ID: In article <4605CECF.70604@comcast.net>, "Richard B. gilbert" wrote: > VAXman- wrote: > > In article , "Tom Linden" > > writes: > > > >> > >>Is there any freeware available to display the progress of, > >>say, running backup, such as a single bar graph as is customary > >>on PCs? > > > > > > > > How? Web based? Or something else in mind? > > > > Displaying it should be easy. I think the real problem would be > determining what the progress is in any useful way. Well, the backup API provides callbacks on various events, so you could probably piece together the info you'd want from there: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/4493/4493pro_002.html But that would mean rolling your own backup utility. The DECWindows interface to the HP defragger already has the same sort of display with little blocks moving around that PC defraggers have. If it really is a GUI progress meter you're looking for, type "motif progress meter widget" into Google and see what you come up with. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.167 ************************