INFO-VAX Tue, 24 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 224 Contents: Re: GNU C current status? Re: GNU C current status? Re: Guidelines for converting programs to ODS-5? Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Re: Microvax II Disgnostics Re: Mysterious BUGCHECK while booting 7.3-1 on DEC2000 New DCL qualifier suggestion. Re: New DCL qualifier suggestion. Re: New DCL qualifier suggestion. PLUG: txt2pdf 9.4 Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: Still no TFTP client? Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? Re: VMS Alpha to Itanium port [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? [OpenVMS V8.3] F$SYMLINK_ATTRIBUTES ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Apr 2007 03:43:16 -0700 From: f.a.m.storms@schretlen.com Subject: Re: GNU C current status? Message-ID: <1177411396.697741.61670@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On 21 apr, 15:15, Hunter Goatley wrote: > John E. Malmberg wrote: > > The progis copy dissapeared, and I have not seen any posts from the person > > maintaining the VMS port for a while. > > > I think that Richard Levitte had a backup of the progis site before the stuff > > went away. > > I don't know if Richard did or not, but I have one: > > ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/gcc-for-alpha/http://www.tmk.com/ftp/VMS-FREEWARE/GCC-FOR-ALPHA/ > > It's been sitting there since 1998, and I have no idea if it > actually works or not. > > -- > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, Process Software,http://www.process.com/ > PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux > goathun...@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ Yep. This works. (on Alpha OpenVMS V8.2) Had to rename a directory to reflect the current VMS-version though... Frits ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 03:43:32 -0700 From: f.a.m.storms@schretlen.com Subject: Re: GNU C current status? Message-ID: <1177411412.004772.151710@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On 21 apr, 15:15, Hunter Goatley wrote: > John E. Malmberg wrote: > > The progis copy dissapeared, and I have not seen any posts from the person > > maintaining the VMS port for a while. > > > I think that Richard Levitte had a backup of the progis site before the stuff > > went away. > > I don't know if Richard did or not, but I have one: > > ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/gcc-for-alpha/http://www.tmk.com/ftp/VMS-FREEWARE/GCC-FOR-ALPHA/ > > It's been sitting there since 1998, and I have no idea if it > actually works or not. > > -- > > Hunter > ------ > Hunter Goatley, Process Software,http://www.process.com/ > PreciseMail Anti-Spam Gateway for OpenVMS, Tru64, Solaris, & Linux > goathun...@goatley.com http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ Yep. This works. (on Alpha OpenVMS V8.2) Had to rename a directory to reflect the current VMS-version though... Frits ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:15:41 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: Guidelines for converting programs to ODS-5? Message-ID: In article , John E. Malmberg wrote: > > method of encoding known as UTF-8, which is popular with UNIX > programs. And also a fair number a few non-UNIX platforms of today as well since that's currently a de facto 'portable' standard of sorts. Windows does use the older UCS-2LE (little endian) or UTF-16 charsets, but is still a subset of Unicode -- as is UTF-8. > UTF-8 is structured so that existing UNIX string routines and file > parsing algorithms would work with out modification. Basically. ASCII is preserved 'as is' and does not involve any extra bytes. Only if the high bit is set, then up to 3 additional byte(s) are interpreted as part of the UTF-8 character set. However, modern UNIX string sorting routines are Unicode-aware; you can get different sort orders depending on the locale used. This subtlety can occasionally bite people in unexpected and interesting manners if they are not using the traditional 'C' locale. > For read-only distributions, there is an old CDROM convention that > LINUX used to support where a data file with both the ISO legal name > and the extended name were present, so that LINUX would show the long > name. I do not know if that method is still supported by LINUX or was > supported by other platforms. Are you referring to the Rock Ridge extension to the ISO 9660 standard? If so, then yes, it is still widely supported in that 'non-VMS land'. Both via native 'mount' as well as mkisofs and other similar tools. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:46:38 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: AEF wrote: > On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: >> On Apr 23, 8:04 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: >> >>> In article , Bill Todd writes: >>>> Doc wrote: >>>> ... >>>> some >>>>> fruit-loop theologian postulated in the 70s that the seven headed monster >>>>> with ten horns was the European Union. >>>> Wow - serendipity strikes again: that must be why their exchange rates >>>> aren't relevant to GDP comparisons - their devilish currency isn't >>>> acceptable in God's Country, hence has no value. >>>> ... >>>> They all appear to want to see the Earth and all unbelievers >>>>> wiped out >>>> I'm afraid that I have to admit to feeling similarly about neocons >>>> (i.e., that the only good neocon is a dead neocon), and since the 1998 >>>> impeachment debacle I've been inclined to extend that sentiment to *all* >>>> Republicans (I'm certainly a fan of Lincoln's, but then he is >>>> indisputably a Republican of the dead persuasion) and more recently even >>>> to a lot of Democrats. >>>> But if that puts me into the same category as the likes of boob, perhaps >>>> I'll need to reconsider that position. For that matter, it's never been >>>> one I've been all that comfortable with, but in times of war (and I do >>>> believe that we're at war with such aggressive incompetents, at least >>>> until they've been sufficiently beaten back not to constitute a >>>> continuing menace) sensibilities sometimes need to take a back seat. >>> I suspected as much, but had avoided calling you a "hater" without >>> actual proof. Oh, dear - I can't seem to get away from George and boob so easily after all: their drivel keeps turning up in the posts of others in whom I still have some interest. George, you simpleton: I don't *hate* you, I don't care much about you personally one way or the other (though I probably wouldn't choose to associate with you: you're apparently completely devoid of the kind of intellectual competence - and even of any ambition toward developing it - that I find stimulating in an acquaintance). I just feel that under the current circumstances the world would be better off without the likes of you, and given the degree to which you (plural) are screwing things up (and in the case of Iraq actively killing hundreds of thousands of people illegally and without anything resembling just cause) I'd have no hesitation in doing 'whatever it took' (to use a phrase near and dear to your idol Dubya's heart) to remove your influence, as long as other approaches to fixing things remain as ineffective as they currently seem to be. "Live and let live" is a very desirable creed, but in times of sufficient distress one must, however reluctantly, set it aside - or just throw in the towel. I'm just not the towel-throwing-in type, I'm afraid, at least not about things I care about. After things get set right, I'll happily tolerate (though probably mostly ignore) the aggressively incompetent once again. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 05:40:19 EDT From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd writes: > AEF wrote: >> On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: >>> On Apr 23, 8:04 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: >>> >>>> In article , Bill Todd writes: >>>>> Doc wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>> some >>>>>> fruit-loop theologian postulated in the 70s that the seven headed monster >>>>>> with ten horns was the European Union. >>>>> Wow - serendipity strikes again: that must be why their exchange rates >>>>> aren't relevant to GDP comparisons - their devilish currency isn't >>>>> acceptable in God's Country, hence has no value. >>>>> ... >>>>> They all appear to want to see the Earth and all unbelievers >>>>>> wiped out >>>>> I'm afraid that I have to admit to feeling similarly about neocons >>>>> (i.e., that the only good neocon is a dead neocon), and since the 1998 >>>>> impeachment debacle I've been inclined to extend that sentiment to *all* >>>>> Republicans (I'm certainly a fan of Lincoln's, but then he is >>>>> indisputably a Republican of the dead persuasion) and more recently even >>>>> to a lot of Democrats. >>>>> But if that puts me into the same category as the likes of boob, perhaps >>>>> I'll need to reconsider that position. For that matter, it's never been >>>>> one I've been all that comfortable with, but in times of war (and I do >>>>> believe that we're at war with such aggressive incompetents, at least >>>>> until they've been sufficiently beaten back not to constitute a >>>>> continuing menace) sensibilities sometimes need to take a back seat. >>>> I suspected as much, but had avoided calling you a "hater" without >>>> actual proof. > > Oh, dear - I can't seem to get away from George and boob so easily after > all: their drivel keeps turning up in the posts of others in whom I > still have some interest. > > George, you simpleton: I don't *hate* you, I don't care much about you Bill, you are even worse than boob (never thought I'd have to say that). I never in any way suggested you hated me (I of course couldn't care less what you think about me since you appear to be functioning at a level only slightly above brain death). Frankly, I was surprised when you stooped to a punctuation attack (don't recall anyone ever being that idiotic on COV before). People like you and boob are what's wrong with this country, but I don't hate you. I do however pity those who have to deal with you and those who you direct your hatred against. I don't wish death on anyone, but the world will be a better place when all the people like you and boob are in the hereafter. > personally one way or the other (though I probably wouldn't choose to > associate with you: you're apparently completely devoid of the kind of > intellectual competence - and even of any ambition toward developing it > - that I find stimulating in an acquaintance). Yes, Bill I know exactly what you want in an acquaintance. Another hater just like yourself with a paranoid god complex. Yes, I know exactly the type; someone who I would find it hard to be friends with even if I wanted to be. > I just feel that under the current circumstances the world would be > better off without the likes of you, and given the degree to which you > (plural) are screwing things up (and in the case of Iraq actively > killing hundreds of thousands of people illegally and without anything > resembling just cause) I'd have no hesitation in doing 'whatever it > took' (to use a phrase near and dear to your idol Dubya's heart) to > remove your influence, as long as other approaches to fixing things > remain as ineffective as they currently seem to be. Yes, that god complex showing thru. Have you ever considered seeing someone about that. There is hope if you have a desire to get well. George Cook ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 03:40:55 -0700 From: Andrew Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1177411255.400058.54640@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On 24 Apr, 02:04, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > On Apr 23, 8:04 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: > > > > > In article , Bill Todd writes: > > > > Doc wrote: > > > > ... > > > > some > > >> fruit-loop theologian postulated in the 70s that the seven headed monster > > >> with ten horns was the European Union. > > > > Wow - serendipity strikes again: that must be why their exchange rates > > > aren't relevant to GDP comparisons - their devilish currency isn't > > > acceptable in God's Country, hence has no value. > > > > ... > > > > They all appear to want to see the Earth and all unbelievers > > >> wiped out > > > > I'm afraid that I have to admit to feeling similarly about neocons > > > (i.e., that the only good neocon is a dead neocon), and since the 1998 > > > impeachment debacle I've been inclined to extend that sentiment to *all* > > > Republicans (I'm certainly a fan of Lincoln's, but then he is > > > indisputably a Republican of the dead persuasion) and more recently even > > > to a lot of Democrats. > > > > But if that puts me into the same category as the likes of boob, perhaps > > > I'll need to reconsider that position. For that matter, it's never been > > > one I've been all that comfortable with, but in times of war (and I do > > > believe that we're at war with such aggressive incompetents, at least > > > until they've been sufficiently beaten back not to constitute a > > > continuing menace) sensibilities sometimes need to take a back seat. > > > I suspected as much, but had avoided calling you a "hater" without > > actual proof. But it is one of the reasons why I started using "boob" > > in reference to you. You and boob are both haters who are so blinded by > > your hate that you will say anything, twist any fact, ignore all evidence > > to the contrary in order to make the other side look bad. > > > I may be a lot of things, but I most definitely am not a hater. I > > liked Clinton personally and would probably have had a good time > > throwing back a few cold ones with him. I would never have considered > > him to be a hater, but the latest crop of liberals in Congress are > > mostly haters just like yourself. > > > George Cook- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > the only thing I am a hater of is the same thing God > is a hater off ... sin ... > Come on Bob you also clearly hate the Caps Lock and Shift keys. Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 04:45:58 -0700 From: genius@marblecliff.com Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1177415158.702904.258470@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 24, 5:40 am, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: > In article , Bill Todd writes: > > > > > > > AEF wrote: > >> On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > >>> On Apr 23, 8:04 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: > > >>>> In article , Bill Todd writes: > >>>>> Doc wrote: > >>>>> ... > >>>>> some > >>>>>> fruit-loop theologian postulated in the 70s that the seven headed monster > >>>>>> with ten horns was the European Union. > >>>>> Wow - serendipity strikes again: that must be why their exchange rates > >>>>> aren't relevant to GDP comparisons - their devilish currency isn't > >>>>> acceptable in God's Country, hence has no value. > >>>>> ... > >>>>> They all appear to want to see the Earth and all unbelievers > >>>>>> wiped out > >>>>> I'm afraid that I have to admit to feeling similarly about neocons > >>>>> (i.e., that the only good neocon is a dead neocon), and since the 1998 > >>>>> impeachment debacle I've been inclined to extend that sentiment to *all* > >>>>> Republicans (I'm certainly a fan of Lincoln's, but then he is > >>>>> indisputably a Republican of the dead persuasion) and more recently even > >>>>> to a lot of Democrats. > >>>>> But if that puts me into the same category as the likes of boob, perhaps > >>>>> I'll need to reconsider that position. For that matter, it's never been > >>>>> one I've been all that comfortable with, but in times of war (and I do > >>>>> believe that we're at war with such aggressive incompetents, at least > >>>>> until they've been sufficiently beaten back not to constitute a > >>>>> continuing menace) sensibilities sometimes need to take a back seat. > >>>> I suspected as much, but had avoided calling you a "hater" without > >>>> actual proof. > > > Oh, dear - I can't seem to get away from George and boob so easily after > > all: their drivel keeps turning up in the posts of others in whom I > > still have some interest. > > > George, you simpleton: I don't *hate* you, I don't care much about you > > Bill, you are even worse than boob (never thought I'd have to say that). > I never in any way suggested you hated me (I of course couldn't care less > what you think about me since you appear to be functioning at a level only > slightly above brain death). Frankly, I was surprised when you stooped to > a punctuation attack (don't recall anyone ever being that idiotic on COV > before). People like you and boob are what's wrong with this country, but > I don't hate you. I do however pity those who have to deal with you and > those who you direct your hatred against. I don't wish death on anyone, > but the world will be a better place when all the people like you and boob > are in the hereafter. talk about being thinking he is above everyone else! no, I am what is and used to be right about this country! Morality and principles are what made this country great unitl 1962 ... if you really think we are better off today in this slime pit you have help create, you are lost ... and you will not be in this world when Christ returns if you are not saved ... you will be in hell ... only those saved will come back and rule with God on this earth for 1000 years, then God will create a new earth and those not found in the book of life will be sent to the lake of fire FOREVER ... and for those who think Christians are a problem ... that is your destiny ... and shouldn't you be moving to another country ... this country and its principles were founded by Washington and other Christian leaders ... read our preamble ... go look at Moses and the ten commandments in the supreme court ... it is obvious ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:29:49 +0200 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: genius@marblecliff.com wrote: > On Apr 24, 5:40 am, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: >> In article , Bill Todd writes: >> >> >> >> >> >>> AEF wrote: >>>> On Apr 23, 9:04 pm, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: >>>>> On Apr 23, 8:04 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: >>>>>> In article , Bill Todd writes: >>>>>>> Doc wrote: >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> fruit-loop theologian postulated in the 70s that the seven headed monster >>>>>>>> with ten horns was the European Union. >>>>>>> Wow - serendipity strikes again: that must be why their exchange rates >>>>>>> aren't relevant to GDP comparisons - their devilish currency isn't >>>>>>> acceptable in God's Country, hence has no value. >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> They all appear to want to see the Earth and all unbelievers >>>>>>>> wiped out >>>>>>> I'm afraid that I have to admit to feeling similarly about neocons >>>>>>> (i.e., that the only good neocon is a dead neocon), and since the 1998 >>>>>>> impeachment debacle I've been inclined to extend that sentiment to *all* >>>>>>> Republicans (I'm certainly a fan of Lincoln's, but then he is >>>>>>> indisputably a Republican of the dead persuasion) and more recently even >>>>>>> to a lot of Democrats. >>>>>>> But if that puts me into the same category as the likes of boob, perhaps >>>>>>> I'll need to reconsider that position. For that matter, it's never been >>>>>>> one I've been all that comfortable with, but in times of war (and I do >>>>>>> believe that we're at war with such aggressive incompetents, at least >>>>>>> until they've been sufficiently beaten back not to constitute a >>>>>>> continuing menace) sensibilities sometimes need to take a back seat. >>>>>> I suspected as much, but had avoided calling you a "hater" without >>>>>> actual proof. >>> Oh, dear - I can't seem to get away from George and boob so easily after >>> all: their drivel keeps turning up in the posts of others in whom I >>> still have some interest. >>> George, you simpleton: I don't *hate* you, I don't care much about you >> Bill, you are even worse than boob (never thought I'd have to say that). >> I never in any way suggested you hated me (I of course couldn't care less >> what you think about me since you appear to be functioning at a level only >> slightly above brain death). Frankly, I was surprised when you stooped to >> a punctuation attack (don't recall anyone ever being that idiotic on COV >> before). People like you and boob are what's wrong with this country, but >> I don't hate you. I do however pity those who have to deal with you and >> those who you direct your hatred against. I don't wish death on anyone, >> but the world will be a better place when all the people like you and boob >> are in the hereafter. > > talk about being thinking he is above everyone else! > > no, I am what is and used to be right about this country! > > Morality and principles are what made this country great > unitl 1962 ... if you really think we are better off today > in this slime pit you have help create, you are lost ... > > and you will not be in this world when Christ returns if > you are not saved ... you will be in hell ... only those > saved will come back and rule with God on this earth > for 1000 years, then God will create a new earth and > those not found in the book of life will be sent to the > lake of fire FOREVER ... > > and for those who think Christians are a problem ... > that is your destiny ... > > and shouldn't you be moving to another country ... > this country and its principles were founded by > Washington and other Christian leaders ... > > read our preamble ... go look at Moses and the > ten commandments in the supreme court ... > > it is obvious ... > Oh Boob, poor silly Boop, You have fallen into the same trap as so many before you. You have read your big St. James Bible so often that you can cite every verse. And now it has no secrets for you anymore. You can use it as a law book, and tell exactly how everyone has to live his life. You know precisely who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. You don't need God anymore, you know for sure what God wants from us, and how He is going to judge us. It's all in that big book, and God has to obey that book as well of course. If only *you* had God's thundering voice, oh how you would tell us what we are doing wrong!! Read your big bible again, and try to find those verses that tell you that you are *not* God's representative on earth, and that you should *not* be so presumptuous to believe that you can know how God will judge anyone of us. You're just a silly sanctimonious man who thinks he has God's wisdom and the right to judge in God's name because he read the bible over and over again. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 09:35:04 -0700 From: Andrew Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1177432504.039932.184820@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On 20 Apr, 02:46, gen...@marblecliff.com wrote: > On Apr 19, 8:53 pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > > wrote: > > On Apr 19, 8:15 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > > In article <1177023718.376996.258...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, gen...@marblecliff.com writes: > > > > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55273 > > > >http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm#Scene%2011 > > > > -- > > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > > Yours was more fun than Boob's. > > isn't too funny if you living in California with kids ... The article only holds two surprises: The first is that it is still legal to hit your offspring with whatever hard object you have lying around provided you are in California. The second is that anyone is against this medieval practice being made illegal. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:24:45 -0400 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: If you live in California, get out now! (Part 2) Message-ID: <1MmdnWU4IfdEobPbnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@libcom.com> Dirk Munk wrote: > Oh Boob, poor silly Boop, > > You have fallen into the same trap as so many before you. You have read > your big St. James Bible so often that you can cite every verse. And now > it has no secrets for you anymore. You can use it as a law book, and > tell exactly how everyone has to live his life. You know precisely who > is going to heaven and who is going to hell. You don't need God anymore, > you know for sure what God wants from us, and how He is going to judge > us. It's all in that big book, and God has to obey that book as well of > course. If only *you* had God's thundering voice, oh how you would tell > us what we are doing wrong!! > > Read your big bible again, and try to find those verses that tell you > that you are *not* God's representative on earth, and that you should > *not* be so presumptuous to believe that you can know how God will judge > anyone of us. You're just a silly sanctimonious man who thinks he has > God's wisdom and the right to judge in God's name because he read the > bible over and over again. One wonders how god will judge boob for usurping god's prerogatives? -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Message-ID: In article <39kpbVlolKc1@eisner.encompasserve.org>, wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) writes: > [followups set to comp.os.vms] > In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > I've asked about this here from time to time, but never got the answer I > > was hoping for. Now the time has come to ask once again and, if the > > response is still the same, bite the bullet and do it myself. > > > > Does anyone have an up-to-date LaTeX, Metafont etc working on VMS? > > > > I used to update my LaTeX semi-regularly from CTAN, which worked OK. > > However, since it has now been 7 years or so since the last update, that > > is probably not a viable approach. > > I would recommend trying that first just to see what happens. > > > If it IS a viable approach, where do I start? What files do I need and > > what do I need to do? > > If you need to start over, I would recommend that you go to the public ftp site > at encompasserve.org and look at the GNV directory there. LaTeX is not a unix utility and as far as I know was not developed on unix (perhaps it was even developed on VMS). It would be a shame if it has become so unixified that one needs GNV to work with it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:08:25 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Message-ID: In article <87lkgk39nb.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi writes: > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > > I've asked about this here from time to time, but never got the answer I > > was hoping for. Now the time has come to ask once again and, if the > > response is still the same, bite the bullet and do it myself. > > > Does anyone have an up-to-date LaTeX, Metafont etc working on VMS? > > Either of the TeX kits from the CDs is 99% up to date. Do you mean the VMS freeware CDs? What is the latest version which contains [TEXMF] and what is the date of [TEXMF] there? > Why anyone would want to even THINK of wading in the sewer of GNV unixisms > and its brain damage when you have a working Pascal compiler and an OS that > works is behond explanation. Indeed. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 11:17:03 GMT From: rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) Subject: Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Message-ID: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >Paul Repacholi writes: >> Either of the TeX kits from the CDs is 99% up to date. > >Do you mean the VMS freeware CDs? What is the latest version which >contains [TEXMF] and what is the date of [TEXMF] there? you could surely grab a current texmf set from the tex-live discs. >> Why anyone would want to even THINK of wading in the sewer of GNV unixisms >> and its brain damage when you have a working Pascal compiler and an OS that >> works is behond explanation. > >Indeed. however, all development is being done in c/c++, and while i'm sure you can get along with a current system, there are real omissions in a "traditional" setup which will surely make it less satisfactory in the longer term. (not that i wouldn't be programming in vms pascal in preference to c ... it's just i have no access to a vms system any more :-{ ) -- Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 11:24:49 GMT From: rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) Subject: Re: looking for up-to-date LaTex etc for VMS Message-ID: Rich Alderson writes: >helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >> My current distribution started off on the VMS freeware CD and was built >> by Ralf Gärtner. At the time (1997 or so) there were a lot of people >> still running LaTeX on VMS, including many gurus. (I suspect that >> Lamport actually developed LaTeX on VMS; can anyone confirm this?) Is >> there something similar today? > >I'm pretty sure that Lamport did his work on a DEC-20, since he was located >immediately next to Stanford and DEK did all his TeX work in Pascal (=> Web) >on SAIL, so 36-bit support was very easy to come by. but latex couldn't work with the original tex-in-sail, so surely that argument doesn't stand up? i have no idea what machine lamport would be using. when i first encountered him, he was work at dec src; the only time (rather earlier than lamport impinged on me) i visited a dec facility in palo alto, the only machines there were microvaxen and ultrices. -- Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 12:35:24 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Microvax II Disgnostics Message-ID: <2MC9$wgaBgEk@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , healyzh@aracnet.com writes: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> Well, I was one handed an RD53 from someone using PDP11s and I was able >> to format it. But it was a DEC RD53 drive. > > Exactly. If it hasn't already been formated as a DEC drive, you need one of > the three following solutions. VAXstation/server 2000 (mine has bad RAM, > but last I checked could still format the drive), Field Service (not > Customer) MV II Diag Tape, or the right XXDP test on a PDP-11. I think for at least some media low level formatting was built into the INTIALIZE utility. I'm pretty sure for 3½ inch floppies its in there, but possibly not for RD53. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:23:31 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Mysterious BUGCHECK while booting 7.3-1 on DEC2000 Message-ID: "Rambo" wrote in message news:1177366783.012046.92110@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >> >> QVISION for example - which is what the system originally shipped >> >> with. >> >> > Yep, a 1024/E is coming my way, will try to run and fix it. >> >> One other thing to try is to run the ECU. The QVision is something that >> the >> FW will recognize even if it is fully reset with no ECU run. Anything >> else >> needs a valid ECU entry. > > It arrived, I put it in and behold! System switched into nice > "framebuffer" > OpenVMS Operator Console, and X started. > > http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/pic.php,DEC+2000+Model+300/vms-OperatorConsole.jpg,big,0,0 > http://rambo.id.uw.edu.pl/pic.php,DEC+2000+Model+300/take2.jpg,big,0,0 > > Rambo > My compliments on the creative use of the SUN systems as a monitor stand! :-) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 06:36:29 -0700 From: BaxterD@tessco.com Subject: New DCL qualifier suggestion. Message-ID: <1177421789.318012.262500@r30g2000prh.googlegroups.com> I have a very complex End-of-Day process which is primarily DCL scripts. I also have a (very simplistic) error checking job which examines the process log files for errors. The biggest nuisance I have to deal with is error and warning messages generated by general "Delete" and "Purge" commands, (with or without wildcards), when the target file(s) are not found. I know that I can get rid of these messages by doing a conditional delete (i.e. if f$search("filename") .nes. "") or by turning off messaging, however the first option requires a lot of extra code to do the condition checking, and the second option is to generic. What would be really nice would be a qualifier which would allow this to be turned of selectively, and stop the program from generating the messages. I am thinking of something like $ Delete/Suppress which would suppress any errors or warnings for that specific command execution. /NoSuppress could be the default, and it could be made available for most DCL commands, but specifically (to meet my needs) for Delete and Purge. Anyone else like the idea (Are you listening Guy Peleg!!) Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:34:19 -0400 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: New DCL qualifier suggestion. Message-ID: BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > I have a very complex End-of-Day process which is primarily DCL > scripts. I also have a (very simplistic) error checking job which > examines the process log files for errors. > The biggest nuisance I have to deal with is error and warning > messages generated by general "Delete" and "Purge" commands, (with or > without wildcards), when the target file(s) are not found. > I know that I can get rid of these messages by doing a > conditional delete (i.e. if f$search("filename") .nes. "") or by > turning off messaging, however the first option requires a lot of > extra code to do the condition checking, and the second option is to > generic. > > What would be really nice would be a qualifier which would allow > this to be turned of selectively, and stop the program from generating > the messages. I am thinking of something like > > $ Delete/Suppress > > which would suppress any errors or warnings for that specific command > execution. /NoSuppress could be the default, and it could be made > available for most DCL commands, but specifically (to meet my needs) > for Delete and Purge. > > Anyone else like the idea (Are you listening Guy Peleg!!) > > Dave. > You want something similar to: DEFINE /LOG /LOG (default) /NOLOG Displays a message when a new logical name supersedes an existing name. However, I seem to remember that one or more commands that had a /WARN and /NOWARN switch. I cannot remember which command(s) at this time. I think /NoWarn would be more appropriate. -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:47:10 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: New DCL qualifier suggestion. Message-ID: Dave Froble wrote on 04/24/2007 01:34:19 PM: > BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > > I have a very complex End-of-Day process which is primarily DCL > > scripts. I also have a (very simplistic) error checking job which > > examines the process log files for errors. > > The biggest nuisance I have to deal with is error and warning > > messages generated by general "Delete" and "Purge" commands, (with or > > without wildcards), when the target file(s) are not found. > > I know that I can get rid of these messages by doing a > > conditional delete (i.e. if f$search("filename") .nes. "") or by > > turning off messaging, however the first option requires a lot of > > extra code to do the condition checking, and the second option is to > > generic. > > > > What would be really nice would be a qualifier which would allow > > this to be turned of selectively, and stop the program from generating > > the messages. I am thinking of something like > > > > $ Delete/Suppress > > > > which would suppress any errors or warnings for that specific command > > execution. /NoSuppress could be the default, and it could be made > > available for most DCL commands, but specifically (to meet my needs) > > for Delete and Purge. > > > > Anyone else like the idea (Are you listening Guy Peleg!!) > > > > Dave. > > > > You want something similar to: > > DEFINE > > /LOG > > /LOG (default) > /NOLOG > > Displays a message when a new logical name supersedes an existing > name. > > However, I seem to remember that one or more commands that had a /WARN > and /NOWARN switch. I cannot remember which command(s) at this time. I > think /NoWarn would be more appropriate. > SEARCH. I agree. That qualifier seems more appropriate. > -- > David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > DFE Ultralights, Inc. > 170 Grimplin Road > Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 07:25:51 -0700 From: mail@sanface.com Subject: PLUG: txt2pdf 9.4 Message-ID: <1177424751.672260.213410@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> We would like to announce txt2pdf 9.4 version. http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html txt2pdf is shareware; it is a very flexible and powerful Perl5 script that converts text files to PDF format files, so you can use it in every operating systems supported by Perl5, including OpenVMS. Remember to read "txt2pdf on OpenVMS" at http://www.sanface.com/openvms.html It's simple to design background like invoices, orders etc. Here nice examples made using txt2pdf PRO http://www.sanface.com/pdf/Purchase_Order.pdf http://www.sanface.com/pdf/oldinvoice.pdf http://www.sanface.com/pdf/hfmus.pdf http://www.sanface.com/pdf/heraldbill.pdf If you prefer we also distribute executables for Windows, Linux, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and Mac OS X. Inside the Windows version you can find a VB GUI: Visual txt2pdf. What's new in this version With the email option the default disposizion is inline. To set attach set disposition : 1 With the email option the default attachtype is application/pdf. To set application/octet-stream set attachtype : 1 Test txt2pdf 9.4! You can find it at http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:51:19 -0800 From: glen herrmannsfeldt Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: Mark Berryman wrote: (snip regarding TFTP) >>> Then you are somewhat limited in your experience. I have definitely >>> seen this many times and I expect you could find examples with a >>> simple web search. Granted, sometimes the issue was caused by a >>> simple typo in the configuration file (a typo that simple shouldn't >>> open up your whole system but that is a different issue). >> "A typo in a configuration file" is not a Unix problem. Or are you >> saying that if someone makes a typo in a VMS configuration file it >> could not cause a similar problem? > Actually, in this case, I am. There is absolutely no way to grant > access to the entire file system in VMS to the TFTP server without > explicitly and deliberately doing so. Making a simple typo in the > template configuration file wouldn't come close to doing it. As far as I know, this is done in unix through the chroot() system call, which is also used by anonymous ftp. chroot() causes the specified directory to be considered the root, and there is no system call to undo that change. There are many easier mistakes to make that will open your entire system, at least on past unix systems. -- glen ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 07:48:09 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: <$ajuJWzeJkzj@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <462cb5b2$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: > > Please re-familiarize yourself with the VMS security model. The TFTP > process will read files with world read access ***in the directory that > the TFTP server has access to***. Neither you nor Joe down the hall has > access to that directory so the protection on the files within that > directory is meaningless to you. You can't get to them (except via the > TFTP server). It is most definitely NOT all or nothing. And what is to prevent them from running a TFTP client and accessing them? > >>> What they likely do _not_ want is the ability for a stranger to fill >>> their disk. >> >> But they can. :-) > > No, they can't. Tell you what, I've got a TFTP server running here at > home that I've just opened up to the internet. Go ahead and try to fill > up my disk. Go ahead and try to read or write even one file. I > guarantee that you will fail. If you set up one writeable file and I figure out what it is, I can fill up the disk quota allocated to that files UIC. But do you really want my data using up that quota? > About as secure as that file containing passwords. Good point, since it's clearly subject to one of the same attacks. You do lock up your backup tapes, don't you? ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 07:51:16 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: In article , glen herrmannsfeldt writes: > > The only thing I ever used it for was to boot diskless Suns. So I assume you were running Solaris. Maybe you had bigger security fish to fry. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 13:04:51 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: <596djjF2jgkmbU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article , glen herrmannsfeldt writes: >> >> The only thing I ever used it for was to boot diskless Suns. > > So I assume you were running Solaris. Maybe you had bigger security > fish to fry. Actually, "diskless Suns" does not necessarily imply Solaris. I have booted numerous Suns diskless, SunOS, various flavors of BSD, Linux, Plan9, Amoeba, but never Solaris. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:32:21 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: <90732$462e3159$cef8887a$2258@TEKSAVVY.COM> glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > As far as I know, this is done in unix through the chroot() > system call, which is also used by anonymous ftp. chroot() causes > the specified directory to be considered the root, On VMS, there is a (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) "TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT.]" and the TFTP server serves only what is below this. for instance on a cisco switch: >prompt# copy running-config - tftp://pastry.chocolate.com/switch1/running-config.txt this copies to: TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1]running-config.txt But only if that file already exists. In other words, you cannot create files with TFTP on VMS. But you can overwrite existing ones. So you can rename SWITCH1.DIR to move to a different directory tree, at which point those files are not accessible to the TFTP server. You rename it back when you need to access those files. The advantage of TFTP is that it is such a blatant security potential that it forces people to take precautions and not hide under false security blanket of a username/password which have to be documented in many places. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:57:52 -0600 From: Mark Berryman Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: <462dd4a2@mvb.saic.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <462cb5b2$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: >> Please re-familiarize yourself with the VMS security model. The TFTP >> process will read files with world read access ***in the directory that >> the TFTP server has access to***. Neither you nor Joe down the hall has >> access to that directory so the protection on the files within that >> directory is meaningless to you. You can't get to them (except via the >> TFTP server). It is most definitely NOT all or nothing. > > And what is to prevent them from running a TFTP client and accessing > them? He was claiming that, because the files needed to be set world-readable, then anyone on the system could read them. I replied indicating that was not true. Only the TFTP server had access to them and the only way to get to them was via the TFTP server. If you have a TFTP client you can get to them as long as: 1. You know the full filename. 2. You are coming from one of the addresses the TFTP server is willing to talk to. >>>> What they likely do _not_ want is the ability for a stranger to fill >>>> their disk. >>> But they can. :-) >> No, they can't. Tell you what, I've got a TFTP server running here at >> home that I've just opened up to the internet. Go ahead and try to fill >> up my disk. Go ahead and try to read or write even one file. I >> guarantee that you will fail. > > If you set up one writeable file and I figure out what it is, I can > fill up the disk quota allocated to that files UIC. But do you > really want my data using up that quota? Therein lies the challenge. Figure out what file(s) you can write to and what file(s) you can read from and I lose the bet. Otherwise, the claim that TFTP is so insecure that no one should ever use it becomes a little silly. (If someone wanted to claim that it should only be used carefully, that would be entirely different.) >> About as secure as that file containing passwords. > > Good point, since it's clearly subject to one of the same attacks. > You do lock up your backup tapes, don't you? My backup tapes are encrypted and rotated through secure off-site storage. My encryption keys are locked up elsewhere. Mark Berryman ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 12:22:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: In article <462dd4a2@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: > > 1. You know the full filename. > 2. You are coming from one of the addresses the TFTP server is willing > to talk to. > So security depends on: name obscurity and lack of address spoofing. IMHO the first is almost as good as password obscurity, but less resistant to guessing and the latter is just a lack of effort on the part of a hacker. Of course, that's better than no security. I've seen product which provide a totaly insecure FTP service. Show me anybody who attacks "security by obscurity" and I'll wonder where they publish thier passwords. > Therein lies the challenge. Figure out what file(s) you can write to > and what file(s) you can read from and I lose the bet. Otherwise, the > claim that TFTP is so insecure that no one should ever use it becomes a > little silly. (If someone wanted to claim that it should only be used > carefully, that would be entirely different.) So how many file names guesses do I get before the TFTP server goes into evasion? I think we both know the answer. This is not meant to be hostile questioning, I just wanted to get the facts straight and make sure there wasn't some hidden feature of TFTP I hadn't tripped across. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:23:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Still no TFTP client? Message-ID: <79831$462e3d44$cef8887a$21735@TEKSAVVY.COM> Mark Berryman wrote: > was not true. Only the TFTP server had access to them and the only way > to get to them was via the TFTP server. If you have a TFTP client you > can get to them as long as: > > 1. You know the full filename. > 2. You are coming from one of the addresses the TFTP server is willing > to talk to. The VMS TCPIP Service documentation mentions that it also incudes a subdirectory in the path that matches the remote host's name. So if TFTP client on node "switch1.chocolate.com" sends a file, the TFTP server would place the file in TCPIP$TFTP_ROOT:[SWITCH1] However, I have not gotten that to work. But if this were working, it would put additional blocks to make it harder for someone else to access those files. However, I am not sure how DHCP handles this, but I know that a windows client can specify its host name in the DHCP request and get it, at which point DHCP can update the DNS server databases. Not sure how duplicates are handled, it is possile that the IP address of the PC might reverse translate to SWITCH1 at which point he would have access to those files. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:58:50 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" wrote: >Hi, > >There was/is a bug with VMSINSTAL's Run_Image callback on 8.2 machines that >exhibited the following symptoms at product installation time: - > >* Do you want to purge files replaced by this installation [YES]? >%ANALYZE-E-OPENIN, error opening MISSING:[MISSING]VMI$NEW.EXE; as input >-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available >%VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of TIER3A V3.1 has failed. > >The problem is that I've just had someone upgrading to 8.2 (Why not 8.3? I >dunno :-) and the bug appears to still be there :-( > >VMS 8.2 is still supported, is it not? Has anyone got a patch reference: V8.2 Alpha is still supported. V8.2 I64 supported ended Dec. 31, 2006. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 15:21:37 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: VMS 8.2 VMSINSTAL Bug with RUN_IMAGE Persists? Message-ID: <462e2081$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >V8.2 Alpha is still supported. > >V8.2 I64 supported ended Dec. 31, 2006. Yup, OpenVMS I64 V8.2-1 is supported parallel to OpenVMS Alpha V8.2 (Dec2008) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 07:52:33 -0700 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: VMS Alpha to Itanium port Message-ID: <1177426353.367904.265600@n35g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Apr 23, 5:37 pm, "John Vottero" wrote: > "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" wrote in > >> For instance $IMPDEF was missing. > > > I'll be curious to learn what that was used for! > > Walking RMS Internal-FAB structures? > > There are (or were) two different versions of IMPDEF. One applied to the > sys$persona routines and has been replaced on Alpha and Itanium. Ah! yes, of course. Guess I have a one-track mind. I was thinking IMPDEF from LIB.MLB.. the only one I ever use ;-) The new BASIC XAB definitions always annoyed me some and I never bothered to figure out how to do them properly. I think that now I did. Here is the core of of a suggested solution RECORD xabdat VARIANT CASE XABDEF xxab ! Shared part for COD, BLN, SPARE AND NXT CASE XABDATDEF xxabdat ! specific part END VARIANT END RECORD xabdat DECLARE xabdat XAB_DAT Full example below. Best regards, Hein van den heuvel ( at gmail dot com ) $ type test.bas map (date_buf) string date_as_string = 23 open "sys$login:login.com" for input as file #1, useropen "cdt_useropen" print date_as_string end $ type useropen.bas FUNCTION LONG cdt_useropen (FABDEF FAB, RABDEF RAB, LONG CHANNEL) OPTION TYPE = EXPLICIT ! Gets creation date of opened file into shared psect map (date_buf) string date_as_string = 23 %INCLUDE "$FABDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC $STARLET.TLB" %INCLUDE "$RABDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC $STARLET.TLB" %INCLUDE "$XABDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC $STARLET.TLB" %INCLUDE "$XABDATDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC $STARLET.TLB" RECORD xabdat VARIANT CASE XABDEF xxab ! Shared part for COD, BLN, SPARE AND NXT CASE XABDATDEF xxabdat ! specific part END VARIANT END RECORD xabdat DECLARE xabdat XAB_DAT EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION SYS$OPEN, SYS$CONNECT DECLARE LONG STAT, basic_rtl_provided_xabfhc basic_rtl_provided_xabfhc = FAB::FAB$L_XAB FAB::FAB$L_XAB = LOC(XAB_DAT) ! Me first, me first XAB_DAT::XAB$B_COD = XAB$C_DAT ! Make it real XAB_DAT::XAB$B_BLN = XAB$C_DATLEN XAB_DAT::XAB$L_NXT = basic_rtl_provided_xabfhc STAT = SYS$OPEN(FAB) STAT = SYS$CONNECT (RAB) IF (STAT AND 1%) = 1% FAB::FAB$L_XAB = basic_rtl_provided_xabfhc CALL SYS$ASCTIM (0% BY VALUE, date_as_string, XAB_DAT::XAB $Q_CDT, 0%) cdt_useropen = STAT END FUNCTION ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 09:02:17 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <462dc799$1@news.langstoeger.at> In OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 HELP one can find: SET FILE /SYMLINK /SYMLINK /NOSYMLINK (default) If an input file is a symbolic link, the file referred to by the symbolic link is the file that is set. The /SYMLINK qualifier indicates that the symbolic link itself is set. But in DCL itself, there is no sign of it: $ SET FILE/SYMLINK %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement \SYMLINK\ And in the DCL Command Definition Files, one can see that the HELP is wrong: $ SEARCH SYS$UPDATE:*.CLD SYMLINK ****************************** SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]CREATE.CLD;1 ! Add CREATE/SYMLINK. qualifier symlink, value(required), nonnegatable disallow symlink and protection disallow any2 (mailbox,directory,symlink) ****************************** SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]DIRECTORY.CLD;1 ! Add /SYMLINK qualifier symlink, default ****************************** SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]DUMP.CLD;1 ! Make /SYMLINK negatable qualifier. ! Add DUMP/SYMLINK. qualifier symlink ****************************** SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]SET.CLD;1 ! . Removed the undocumented, unsupported SPECIAL=SYMLINK $ TYPE SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]SET.CLD;1 ... ! X-135 LC0001 Larry Camilli 5-MAY-2004 ! . Added SET FILE/ATTR(SPECIAL=SYMBOLIC_LINK) for ! OpenGroup-compliant symbolic links (different from ! the undocumented, unsupported COE/Opal implementation). ! . Removed the undocumented, unsupported SPECIAL=SYMLINK ! keyword. ... But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. Correct? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:21:36 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <07042402213645_202002DA@antinode.org> From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) > $ SET FILE/SYMLINK > %DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement > \SYMLINK\ > [...] The symlink features seem to need a little bit more work. So far, my favorite is the one which the ITRC Thought Police removed for me: td183 $ dire /prot [.l1] Directory USER5:[antinode.l1] FILE.LINK;1 -> file.txt (RWED,RWED,RE,) file.txt;1 (RWED,RWED,RE,) [...] td183 $ back /veri [.l1] [.l2] %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass at 24-APR-2007 03:27:27.01 %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening USER5:[ANTINODE.l2]FILE.LINK;1 as input -RMS-F-ORG, invalid file organization value > But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. > Correct? No doubt it will all be better in the next version. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:34:52 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <132renh5o951be9@corp.supernews.com> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) > > >>$ SET FILE/SYMLINK >>%DCL-W-IVQUAL, unrecognized qualifier - check validity, spelling, and placement >> \SYMLINK\ >>[...] > > > The symlink features seem to need a little bit more work. So far, my > favorite is the one which the ITRC Thought Police removed for me: Remarkable! Having suffered an unexplained(/able?) loss in ITRC myself I empathize. In my case it was an offer of open-source software for VMS that caught the eye of some (completely anal zealot - oops, it slipped out) (im)moderator. Perhaps it looked too good to be non-commercial (or perhaps that was in-essence the issue). In this case it can only be an operating-system/file-system/application glitch responsible. No shred of justification could be offered for deleting what's included below. > td183 $ dire /prot [.l1] > > Directory USER5:[antinode.l1] > > FILE.LINK;1 -> file.txt > (RWED,RWED,RE,) > file.txt;1 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > > [...] > > td183 $ back /veri [.l1] [.l2] > %BACKUP-I-STARTVERIFY, starting verification pass at 24-APR-2007 03:27:27.01 > %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening USER5:[ANTINODE.l2]FILE.LINK;1 as input > -RMS-F-ORG, invalid file organization value > > > >>But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. >>Correct? > > > No doubt it will all be better in the next version. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 Pity. The technical discussion is generally way up there on ITRC. -- The sermon was based on what he claimed was a well-known fact, that there were no Atheists in foxholes. I asked Jack what he thought of the sermon afterwards, and he said, 'There's a Chaplain who never visited the front.' [Kurt Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus, pg. 182] ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 04:26:04 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: In article <462dc799$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. > Correct? I disagree. A SYMLINK is not an attribute of a file, it is a whole new thing that points to a file. I believe the actual V8.3 syntax is better than what is in HELP. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 11:45:13 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <462dedc9$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >In article <462dc799$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: >> But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. >> Correct? > >I disagree. A SYMLINK is not an attribute of a file, it is a whole >new thing that points to a file. And how to differentiate between the link and the target then? Is it neccessary to differentiate? (I don't know, but I'd say, yes). >I believe the actual V8.3 syntax is better than what is in HELP. What syntax do you refer to? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:19:12 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <132rkr4hkae2852@corp.supernews.com> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > In article <132renh5o951be9@corp.supernews.com>, Mark Daniel writes: > >>Pity. The technical discussion is generally way up there on ITRC. > > > Why do I have to take my technical discussions to a moderated/censored place? Points! You get Points!! Don't you want points? Pity. > COV is better (if you killthread the political/religous flamewars here) -- The sermon was based on what he claimed was a well-known fact, that there were no Atheists in foxholes. I asked Jack what he thought of the sermon afterwards, and he said, 'There's a Chaplain who never visited the front.' [Kurt Vonnegut, Hocus Pocus, pg. 182] ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 10:11:02 -0500 From: wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article <462dc799$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > >> But, for me it seems, the HELP sounds good and DCL has a missing feature. >> Correct? > > I disagree. A SYMLINK is not an attribute of a file, it is a whole > new thing that points to a file. A symlink does not have to point to a file, like a logical name, it can contain any arbitrary string. When passed as a filename, the operating system will attempt to treat the target as a filename. And while the container for a symbolic link may be a file, there is nothing in the X/Open specification that requires this. I would recommend that anyone using symbolic links make sure that they are using only the documented APIs, as the internal implementatin may change. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 19:24:13 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: <462e595d$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >If not a file, then what? Do you have any interesting examples? GNV install maps the root dirs of all your disks in the SYS$COMMON:[GNV] tree So a F$SEARCH on the system disk (without excluding the mount point) could be very interesting for a VMS only aware software/guy ;-) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 12:28:24 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > If not a file, then what? Do you have any interesting examples? Could it > be > a directory? Where in the 8.3 docs is it described? Well on UNIX it's an inode without a file. An inode is kind of like a VMS file header, but typically smaller. I think VMS could easily implement it as a file header without a file. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:23:14 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V8.3] SET FILE/SYMLINK ? Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:24:13 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER = wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" = > writes: >> If not a file, then what? Do you have any interesting examples? > > GNV install maps the root dirs of all your disks in the SYS$COMMON:[GN= V] = > tree > > So a F$SEARCH on the system disk (without excluding the mount point) > could be very interesting for a VMS only aware software/guy ;-) > Haven't played with this before so apologies if this is obvious, but experimenting, why does following fail on 8.3 ODIN> creat xxx.cld/sym=3D"SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]CREATE.CLD" %CREATE-E-SYMLINKERR, error creating symbolic link XXX.CLD -RMS-E-FNF, file not found ODIN> creat xxx.cld/sym=3D"DSA10:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSUPD]CREATE.CLD" %CREATE-E-SYMLINKERR, error creating symbolic link XXX.CLD -RMS-E-FNF, file not found -- = Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 2007 11:42:19 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: [OpenVMS V8.3] F$SYMLINK_ATTRIBUTES ? Message-ID: <462ded1b$1@news.langstoeger.at> In a ITRC thread Guy P. wrote about a F$SYMLINK_ATTRIBUTES lexical function: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1104571 To instruct RMS NOT to follow a symbolic link all that is required is to set NAML$V_OPEN_SPECIAL in NAML$L_INPUT_FLAGS. If this does not work, I suspect you might have a coding error somewhere. * As a start test lexical function * F$SYMLINK_ATTRIBUTES and see if it works. * * F$SYMLINK is identical to F$FILE (same item code, same options) * but will operate on the symbolic link instead of following it. * If this works, it will provide a proof that * your environment is set up correctly. Then look at the code and verify you are setting NAML$L_LONG_RESULT and NAML$L_LONG_EXPAND. If it still does not work, please post a small example. I haven't got one in my new OpenVMS Alpha V8.3. Is this a betatest, an Itanium only, or an ECO item? Do you have seen it already? TIA -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.224 ************************