INFO-VAX Sun, 06 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 247 Contents: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? RE: Has Linux Peaked ? Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Re: Has Linux Peaked ? RE: Java problem Re: Noahs ark found! Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: OT: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Re: Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Re: Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:47:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Message-ID: <00A672DF.05118059@SendSpamHere.ORG> I think my venerable AlphaStation 200 may have finally given up the ghost. The countdown sequence goes from ff... down to ec.f4. and then ceases to go any further. ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5. ef.df.ee.ed.ed.f4. Any clues as to what is being tested at this point? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 19:59:18 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Message-ID: In article <00A672DF.05118059@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I think my venerable AlphaStation 200 may have finally given up the ghost. > > The countdown sequence goes from ff... down to ec.f4. and then ceases to > go any further. > > ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5. > ef.df.ee.ed.ed.f4. > > Any clues as to what is being tested at this point? Next in the sequence on that model normally is eb. ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/ek-pcdsa-ti.pdf.gz (Don't be fooled by the mention of NetBSD; they just keep a repository of original Digital technical docs for various Alpha models so they can refer to them for their porting efforts long after HP has pulled them.) If the diagnostics LEDs viewable through the rear also shows 'eb' at this point, then eb is the SRM memory test for greater-than-8 MB. So basically, looks like one of your memory DIMMs _may_ have gone to the happy computing grounds. (Assuming this is what the diag LEDs on the motherboard also shows. I'm not 100% sure there's a 1:1 mapping between reported SRM POST codes and what's reported on the diag LEDs.) But that document should at least steer you in the right direction. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 01:07:58 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Message-ID: <00A672E1.EC3219BE@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Dan Foster writes: > > >In article <00A672DF.05118059@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> I think my venerable AlphaStation 200 may have finally given up the ghost. >> >> The countdown sequence goes from ff... down to ec.f4. and then ceases to >> go any further. >> >> ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5. >> ef.df.ee.ed.ed.f4. >> >> Any clues as to what is being tested at this point? > >Next in the sequence on that model normally is eb. > >ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/ek-pcdsa-ti.pdf.gz > >(Don't be fooled by the mention of NetBSD; they just keep a repository >of original Digital technical docs for various Alpha models so they can >refer to them for their porting efforts long after HP has pulled them.) > >If the diagnostics LEDs viewable through the rear also shows 'eb' at >this point, then eb is the SRM memory test for greater-than-8 MB. > >So basically, looks like one of your memory DIMMs _may_ have gone to the >happy computing grounds. > >(Assuming this is what the diag LEDs on the motherboard also shows. I'm >not 100% sure there's a 1:1 mapping between reported SRM POST codes and >what's reported on the diag LEDs.) > >But that document should at least steer you in the right direction. Thanks. It's too late in the day now to start tearing the box apart and my son has a golf tournament tomorrow. I have spare memory I can try out on Monday. I'll report back when I can get inside and see if changing out memory fixes it up. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 21:27:13 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 init sequence countdown... Message-ID: <463D2EF1.7040107@comcast.net> VAXman- wrote: > I think my venerable AlphaStation 200 may have finally given up the ghost. > > The countdown sequence goes from ff... down to ec.f4. and then ceases to > go any further. > > ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5. > ef.df.ee.ed.ed.f4. > > Any clues as to what is being tested at this point? > How about the LED display on the back? The "User Information" book does not list the POST count-down but it does list LED codes! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 20:33:24 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Message-ID: <463d224d$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> John Santos wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> An upgrade to 7.3-2 may be n option, but I think HP should be >> prepared for a lot of sites that are reluctant to go to 8.x. > > Why? If you're going to upgrade, what is there about 8.x that > makes it a worse option than 7.3-2? (At this point, unless an > upgrade has been in the works for some time already and you've > been testing with an older version, I would plan on upgrading to > V8.3, since UPDATE-V0200 has been out for a while now for both > Alpha and I64.) The assumption is that a change of major version has bigger chance of complications than a change of minor version. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 20:42:45 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Message-ID: <463d247e$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Web Services Integration Toolkit (WSIT): (free) > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/wsit/ Very interesting !! I had not seen that. I assume this a replacing Bridgeworks. Is the web service part entirely developed by HP or is it based on an external web service toolkit (Axis, JWSDP etc.). Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 23:05:08 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS 7.2 Alpha Message-ID: <463d45dc$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Doc wrote: > Anything you can do with Apache, you can do with WASD. What about Tomcat integration (mod_jk or other) ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:46:52 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: In article <463bed99$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, spam.this@127.0.0.1 says... > David J Dachtera wrote: > > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > [snip] > >> Again, I'm not a BASIC programmer and, as you have pointed out, neither > >> was the person that authored this code. > >> > >> The %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG is misleading error. The problem was that a routine > >> entry point was improperly passed to the LIB$RENAME_FILE RTL. I used the > >> LOC() and fixed the problem. > > > > I think I see what may have happened. > > > > TYPE=EXPLICIT was not in force at compile time, leaving TYPE=IMPLICIT in > > force. > > > > RENAME_ERROR was not explicitly declared as a variable at compile time > > and the name does not contain a dollar sign ("$"); so, RENAME_ERROR was > > implicitly declared as a numeric variable of the default type and size. The > > implicitly declared variable was initialized to zero at runtime. > > Actually, it was. See the line that says: > > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION RENAME_ERROR > > > > > Now consider the calling standard. It is very likely that this leaves > > two consecutive zero longwords on the stack at just the right alignment > > - thus signifying the end of the argument list. Thus, the RTL routine > > likely interpreted that as TOOFEWARG since the apparent end of the > > argument list occurred before it was expected. > > You're thinking of itemlists. This is an arg list, there is an arg count at the beginning. It doesn't matter how many of the args are 0 or in what order. > > Had RENAME_ERROR also been a previously used variable with a non-zero value, the > > result would likely have been an ACCVIO when the RTL routine tried to use its > > contents as an address. That would have been equally or even more misleading, > > and perhaps a bit more difficult to troubleshoot. > > > > Applying Occam's Razor (and compiling /list/machine) you will find that > the bare reference to RENAME_ERROR is treated by the compiler as a > function invocation. Because RENAME_ERROR requires six arguments, and > none are supplied, the runtime error results. Just to clarify, it is treated as a function invocation while setting up the call to LIB$RENAME_FILE. So the compiler creates a call block for LIB$RENAME_FILE (probably by pushing the args on the stack in reverse order) evaluating the args as it goes. RENAME_ERROR is defined as a long function, so the compiled code calls it directly (with no args, since none are declared), intending to store the result as the nth arg to LIB$RENAME_FILE. But RENAME_ERROR blows up at run time with "too few args", so LIB$RENAME_FILE never actually gets called. LOC() solves the problem because the arg is supposed to be the address of an error routine, not some random longword, which LIB$RENAME_FILE knows, but the compiler doesn't. AFAIK, there is no way to prototype a function in BASIC specifying that an arg is the address of a function, so you have to use tricks like LOC() when calling routines that use callbacks. > > Jim. > -- John ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2007 19:29:32 -0700 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: <1178418572.462196.151280@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 9:21 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> LIB$RENAME_FILE returns %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG No it did not. LIB$RENAME_FILE was never called. > The %BAS-F-TOOFEWARG is misleading error. The problem was that a routine > entry point was improperly passed to the LIB$RENAME_FILE RTL. I used the > LOC() and fixed the problem. I realize it is pretty much a moot point, but that explanation is bullshit. The error message was most accurate. The basic program was just plain wrong. >>> S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) Compare this to for example this slightly contrived example. S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(EDIT$(FROM$,2%),TO $, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) What do you expect the compile to do? Pass the address of the edit function or the result of calling it? Ditto for RENAME_ERROR... It is a function, so the result of calling it is passed as an argument to LIB$RENAME_FILE. However, it is called with 0 arguments so the code in RENAME_ERROR signals/traps with TOOFEWARG, like it should, BEFORE LIB$RENAME_FILE is even called. How is that error message misleading? If one were to chage the rename_error function to have "OPTION INACTIVE = SETUP" then it will just (try to) use the non-provided arguments and crap out with a Memory management violation. Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:42:49 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: <463CD029.B299B525@spam.comcast.net> "Z." wrote: > > sol gongola wrote: > > "We need a promo for the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input." > > Get over yourself! Excuse me? Here we are griping that VMS is never advertised. Now someone wants to do a VMS-related promo, and we slap him down??!! I don't think so! -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 23:08:45 GMT From: John Santos Subject: RE: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: In article <1606039.SmqOkN0Wso@linux1.krischik.com>, martin@krischik.com says... > Main, Kerry wrote: > > >> Main, Kerry schrieb: > >> > >> > Key features are: > >> > - Support for the Java, C/C++, XML, and HTML > >> > >> But no Ada :-( . > >> > >> Martin > > > > Not yet. > > > > However, if you have a business requirement for this vs. "neat to have", > > then there are channels to request this be added. > > This sums it up neatly! Problem is: 80% of what a programmer whiches for, > what could make his/her live easier is not a business requirement but > only "neat to have". Employee productivity does not show up in the stock > holders report - a order to hp to implement feature X does. > Of course Solaris, AIX, UP/UX are not different to VMS in that respect. The > standart vi which comes with Solaris is just horrible - worse then LSEdit. > And standart grep from Solaris won't understand "--ingnore-case" (or the > shorthand "-i"). I also had similar problems with find (what you use in > unix instead of [...]*.*). > > Difference to VMS is: It took me a quarter of an hour to compile GNU-grep > (and later GNU-find) on Solaris. No "business requirement" and the > associated paperwork, explanations, statistic on expected increase in > productivity, budget etc pp needed. And I still got what I need to work > efficiently. > Why is this good? Are you permitted to do this on production systems? Are any 2 of the dozens of systems you access on a regular or irregular basis configured in exactly the same way? Or is it a mishmash of randomness? > With VMS I can get some stuff to help me (we got GNV installed, I created my > own Vim) but it is not as easy. > > And here we come back to the OP: If you have a bunch of Linux developers, > administrators etc pp it is probable easier to tell them to use AIX then > VMS. On AIX they know they have a change to get there tools ported over - > without "business requirement". > > > Case in point for other language plug-in's: > > > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.html > > Now that sound just like the stuff AdaCore [1] does with the GPS [2] - and > here we do have a change to actually get it. Touch wood. > > Martin > > [1] http://www.adacore.com/home/ > [2] http://www.adacore.com/category/developers-center/technologies/gps/ > -- John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 20:45:17 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: <463d2515$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> John Santos wrote: > In article <1606039.SmqOkN0Wso@linux1.krischik.com>, martin@krischik.com > says... >> Difference to VMS is: It took me a quarter of an hour to compile GNU-grep >> (and later GNU-find) on Solaris. No "business requirement" and the >> associated paperwork, explanations, statistic on expected increase in >> productivity, budget etc pp needed. And I still got what I need to work >> efficiently. > > Why is this good? Are you permitted to do this on production systems? Probably not. Partly because he is not allowed to. Partly because it is not necesarry. Developers like their favorite tools on their development boxes. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 20:54:20 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: <463d2735$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: >> That is not my experience. >> >> People want to run the latest IDE. >> >> Development environment and production are two completely different >> things. >> >> Especially with with NetBeans (3.x sucks, 5.x is actually good). > Mmmm, well, that is likely true for the App developers or small-med > environments, Also big ones. > but the shops I have had experiences with typically > have a mountain of new functionality to-do's on their plate. Yep. And developers unhappy with their environment is not the way to get that functionality done as quickly as possible. > Hence, the senior App mgmt types are usually concerned that any major > IDE changes will negatively impact their QA/Testing schedules that > have been previously engraved in stone. Since scheduling prod systems > down time for new functionality releases often needs to be done > months in advance, if the Dev folks are not ready or have not > completed their testing, then that could literally mean a number of > additional months before the next window comes up. I will not say that it could not be the case. But it does not make any sense. There are not reason the IDE upgrade should have a negative impact. And if it had they could just roll it back. > And if this is a regulated industry (Health, Drug, Food, Agriculture > etc), then new IDE's means re-certification is required and that is a > really, really big deal. May be - I have never worked in those industries. They will be completely wasting their time doing so. What do they actually do during certification ? Type in a for loop, save, check that the for loop is in the file, check for loop, go to if statement ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:31:09 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Java problem Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] > Sent: May 4, 2007 5:11 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: Java problem >=20 > In article > t>, "Main, Kerry" writes: >=20 > > $ show proc/cont/id=3D3Dxxx (then hit Q to see quotas) >=20 > I gotta run home and try that on my 8.3 system. It must have been > in > the Release Notes, but it didn't sink into the old grey matter. I noticed it in one of Guy's slides .. very cool .. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2007 12:15:24 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Noahs ark found! Message-ID: <1178392524.784119.327520@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 4, 2:39 pm, "Dan Drake" wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2007 13:09:33 UTC, AEF wrote: > > On May 4, 9:02 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > > Koehler) wrote: > > > ... > > > I've never experienced any church which actually limited itself to > > > teaching only the contents of the Bible. All kinds of authors get > > > thier licks in via story books written for Sunday school, new Hymns, > > > pamphlets, and such. > > > >From what I remarked about: > > > > ==== > > > 1. The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and > > > immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally > > > heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures. > > > It says "Holy Scriptures". I guess there could be some other than the > > Bible. Just wondering exactly where in what "Holy Scritpure" the > > charge is referring to. > > I would say it's very clear from context that they really mean specific > passages from the Bible, but I haven't time just now to look it up. In > fact, the bit about Joshua stopping the Sun was discussed quite > specifically by both sides. > > -- > Dan Drake > d...@dandrake.comhttp://www.dandrake.com/ > porlockjr.blogspot.com The problem with the Joshua reference is that even today we speak of the sun as rising and setting. But it would be wrong to conclude from that that we don't understand that the Sun is not really "rising" or "setting" but that it is, in fact, an illusion caused by the rotation of the Earth. I guess they must be referring to the creation in Genesis with the Earth being created first and the Sun and Moon and stars being created on the fourth. But this section doesn't explicitly say the "lights" move around the earth, but I guess this is the passage that the church is referring to. But I don't think that would make it worthy of house arrest. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:52:55 -0500 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: In article <1178117245.788068.118830@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, DaveG wrote: >I seem to recall Egon playing around with a DEC Rainbow in the first >Ghostbusters movie. Boy... I remember articles (was it in DEC Professional) about the product placement done with DEC stuff for the movie. IIRC K.O. was not to in favor of the cost of that advertising stuff. 'Course I figure the PDP8 (IIRC) in Three Days of the Condor was better placement. > >Galaxy Quest - yep! Waiting for the sequel in a year or so. >Blade Runner - ditto Probably one of the best SF movies made -- the book was better. Bill -- -- "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax school It's a wonder I fixed anything at all." (to the tune of Kodachrome) pechter-at-gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:56:58 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: OT: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: <8660a3a10705030956q51abb101vbd8491317f47b140@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/07, JF Mezei wrote: > Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > > Just as long as they put "OT" in the subject, my mail system will > > automatically junk it. > > > > Stanley, I am your father > > > > > Sorry you won't see this life changing message. :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:48:17 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Putting a cease to Off-Topic Messages Message-ID: <8660a3a10705021848q75cb683aoa3421ef9846880bb@mail.gmail.com> On 5/2/07, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <63A4454BFCE1C048B2683DBB63A3633301823DEC@ETP-CIN-US-EX01.etp1.com>, writes: > >Is anyone else getting as annoyed, as I am, with the drastic increase of = > >off-topic (read: non-VMS) related discussions over the past months? > > > > Noah's Ark > > Favorite Movies > > Bob's missing brain > > Faked Moon landings > > > > Well the Favourite Movies was flagged as OT but was somewhat on topic > anyway :- > > " > So, what are your top three favorite movies, VMSophiles? We need a promo for > the upcoming HP Partners Roundhouse in Nashua, and we would love your input. > Thanks! > > " > > Noahs Ark found, Moon Landings faked and Bob's brain missing all appear to be > pretty much the same discussion. Though looking at the discussion on google it > doesn't appear that anyone who changed it's subject ever thought to put OT in > the subject. Since I contributed to that discussion myself I apologise for not > noticing that sooner and making that change myself. > > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > > PS. > > Is the disclaimer at the end of your post supposed to be an ironic comment on > such disclaimers or do you really not want anyone to read your posting to a > public newsgroup ? > > > > > > >Come on folks; put the chat somewhere else as it doesn't belong here... > > > >Just my two cents... > > > >Barry Treahy, Jr =20 > >Vice President/CIO > >Midwest Microwave, Inc. > >Emerson Network Power Connectivity Solutions > >E-mail: Barry.Treahy@EmersonNetworkPower.com > >Phone:=A0 480/314-1320 > >Cell: 480/216-9568 > >Fax: 480/661-7028 > > > > ... but it's a DRY HEAT! > > > >This e-mail is intended only for the addressee named above. > >As this e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information, > >if you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to > >retain, read, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. > >=0D > It's probably an automatic signature file added to his email by the Exchange (yuk) server. The ones at my place of employment and several previous employers did the same thing. It's a mark of corporate ignorance in most cases as a communication isn't usually "privileged" unless it's attorney/client or possibly physician/patient. I seem to recall from my days in corporate trust banking in the mid-1980s that the confidential/privileged information disclaimer first appeared on the cover sheets of facsimile transmissions from law firms. WWWebb, who seems to have misplaced his "Burn Before Reading" rubber stamp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 16:07:22 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Message-ID: <63fab$463ce401$cef8887a$20715@TEKSAVVY.COM> Just a heads up: the microsoft email franchises (hotmail, msn etc) have recently implemented new email policies. If you send an email to one of their subscribers, chances are that the email will be accepted by hotmail, but hotmail will simply sent it to the great microsoft bit bucket without any warning or indication. However, if an hotmail user sends you a message and you reply to it, it then the message will get through. So don't be surprised when you send a bina fide email and the intended recipients don't get them on hotmail/msn/whatever) ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2007 19:33:51 -0700 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Message-ID: <1178418831.223991.261180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 5, 4:07 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Just a heads up: the microsoft email franchises (hotmail, msn etc) have > recently implemented new email policies. Yeah, I saw a surprising, and suspicious, reduction in spam to my hotmail account since a few weeks, and it worried me some that they might be eating Email. My other free Email is with gmail and there I have periods of problems notably with sending to HP. I guess I am hosted on a gmail server which is blacklisted at time by the crappy mail-abuse 'service', and HP seems to use those 'services'. At least it comes back (after days) as 'undeliverable' wiht explanations like: Technical details of temporary failure TEMP_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 450 Service temporarily unavailable; Client host [66.249.92.172] blocked using qil.mail- abuse.com; Mail from 66.249.92.172 blocked using Trend Micro Network Anti-Spam Service. Please see For more information see http://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/lookup?ip_address=66.249.92.172 Highly annoying for an innocent bystander like myself - I'm not sending spam, just respoding to Email from HP - It is not my system actually sending the Email - I can not choose my server @ Gmail I guess I'll have to ditch gmail for self generated business Email. Too bad. I like it enough that I would be willing to pay for it, if they can garantuee me a 'clean' server. Actually, the biggest reason to ditch it for me is that it might look cheap to some of my (potential) customers. Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: 5 May 2007 20:41:59 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: Slightly OT: HOTMAIL and spam Message-ID: <1178422919.593892.265990@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 5, 10:33 pm, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On May 5, 4:07 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > Just a heads up: the microsoft email franchises (hotmail, msn etc) have > > recently implemented new email policies. > > Yeah, I saw a surprising, and suspicious, reduction in spam to my > hotmail account since a few weeks, and it worried me some that they > might be eating Email. > > My other free Email is with gmail and there I have periods of problems > notably with sending to HP. I guess I am hosted on a gmail server > which is blacklisted at time by the crappy mail-abuse 'service', and > HP seems to use those 'services'. At least it comes back (after days) > as 'undeliverable' wiht explanations like: > > Technical details of temporary failure > > TEMP_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 450 Service temporarily > unavailable; Client host [66.249.92.172] blocked using qil.mail- > abuse.com; Mail from 66.249.92.172 blocked using Trend Micro Network > Anti-Spam Service. Please see lookup?66.249.92.172> For more information seehttp://www.mail-abuse.com/cgi-bin/lookup?ip_address=66.249.92.172 > > Highly annoying for an innocent bystander like myself > - I'm not sending spam, just respoding to Email from HP > - It is not my system actually sending the Email > - I can not choose my server @ Gmail > > I guess I'll have to ditch gmail for self generated business Email. > Too bad. > I like it enough that I would be willing to pay for it, if they can > garantuee me a 'clean' server. Actually, the biggest reason to ditch > it for me is that it might look cheap to some of my (potential) > customers. > > Cheers, > Hein. Not off topic at all. www.trysecureserver.com and get a VMS web based email I have an account and so does Amanda. I think I may ditch my hotmail or just keep it as a junk email and mamavms@trysecureserver.com as my personal email what do you folks think? Warm regards, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:50:02 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <463CD1DA.9BC0536F@spam.comcast.net> Gremlin wrote: > > Hi Peter > > So, DS10L uses the router as its gateway and: > - Using VMS8.2 with TCPIP services patched to latest version > - can ping to addresses on the internet, the DS10L only has HTTP open > through the gateway and only has SSH open internally as well as HTTP > - haven't used TCPDUMP > - haven't cleared APR cache on the DS10L, but the router's ARP cache shows > the MAC of the DS10L > - when a Netgear router is used instead of the Billion, all is OK. > > "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" wrote in message > news:463c7067$1@news.langstoeger.at... > > In article <133og6mvosa54c@corp.supernews.com>, "Gremlin" > > writes: > >>Because of VoIP issues, I need to change the router and there isn't a > >>Netgear available that will do VPN, VoIP and QoS, so I now have a Billion > >>7404VGO-M. The problem is, on the Billion router, I can forward port 80 > >>to > >>any server *except* the DS10L - I have pushed it to various Windoze > >>servers > >>and it works fine, but as soon as I point it to the DS10L - nothing. > > > > Is this a general problem between the DS10L and the billion or HTTP only? > > Does the DS10L ping the billion? > > Is this perhaps an ARP issue on the DS10L? > > Did you clear the ARP cache on the DS10L (what IP stack do you run)? > > What does TCPDUMP on the DS10L tell? Do the packets arrive on the DS10L? > > And so on... I'm with Peter. If the DS10L's ARP cache hasn't expired, flush it and try again. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:25:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: <26c07$463cda1f$cef8887a$14993@TEKSAVVY.COM> David J Dachtera wrote: > I'm with Peter. If the DS10L's ARP cache hasn't expired, flush it and try again. You'd also need to flush the router's arp cache. Does the router have a command line interface ? If so, try to telnet to the router and from the router, ping the DS10L machine. You should also have some (usually obscure) command to flush the arp cache. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:57:23 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <463cff5d$0$16405$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> I am still committed to OpenVMS and think it is the best OS in the world so please don't take the following remarks out of context. My main intention of this is to show how Sun is using their software to leverage hardware sales. You can decide for yourself if OpenVMS is being promoted properly by HP. ### Two weeks ago a co-worker sent me this link: http://www.sun.com/playtempleofthesun It is an "Indiana Jones" style game targeted at C/C++ developers. I'm not sure why Sun would market a product in this way. Maybe this is a social experiment or maybe the "game theme" was designed to keep old farts like me out of it but obviously Sun underestimated my level of immaturity. So I spent 15 minutes going through the six levels, answering a C/C++ programming question at the end of each one, which then qualified me to receive a free DVD containing a pre-release of Solaris-11 along with their IDE named "Sun Studio 11". The DVD was delivered to my inbox within 48 hours so I took it home since I was just starting a week of vacations and had nowhere to go. I had recently taken possession of a Compaq Presario (SR2044NX) with a dual-core Pentium-D CPU running 2.8 GHz with 1 GB of RAM etc. Since this thing already had a second 200 GB hard drive it was no big deal for me to just boot the Sun DVD and install Solaris on the second drive. This thing auto-installed itself easier than Windows and everything worked properly except the embedded sound chip (I Googled up a third party driver and was up in no time). Even both cores were enabled and active. If you log into Solaris using the Gnome desktop you'll find that all the familiar apps are present including one called "Network Servers" which will allow you to access shared folders on your windows machines. Bringing up Firefox for the first time will display "Sun's Developer Guide" which includes local links to videos like: "Getting acquainted with Solaris basics", "Learn about Solaris software", "Learn about Sun Studio software", "Learn about NetBeans", etc. Bringing up "Sun Studio 11" for the first time will remind you of Microsoft's Visual Studio but they have provided three of their own compliers: C, C++, and Fortran. I tested them all, they all work. There are lots of tutorials on how to auto-make applications generating code for both SPARC and x86-64 platforms. (it now just realized that I'm running a 64-bit version of Solaris on this Presario). Although Sun compilers are run by default, the make files allow you to optionally choose GNU compilers. Solaris code is generated by default but the make files allow you to optionally generate code for Linux. This IDE contains lots of built-in tutorials but it doesn't take too long to fix the broken programs and get them working. Once you are at this level they want you to restart your saved game and answer question at the last level (you are given some strange looking "C" code which you must paste into your IDE, then compile and run. You now copy the program's output and paste it back into the game in order to be eligible for some kind of cash draw. ### Obviously Sun is targeting this product at a younger audience but those people are going to be the developers of the future. During all this I kept asking myself "what is HP doing to promote OpenVMS?" Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 21:08:33 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <463D2A91.3040304@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > I am still committed to OpenVMS and think it is the best OS in the world > so please don't take the following remarks out of context. My main > intention of this is to show how Sun is using their software to leverage > hardware sales. You can decide for yourself if OpenVMS is being promoted > properly by HP. > > Obviously Sun is targeting this product at a younger audience but those > people are going to be the developers of the future. During all this I > kept asking myself "what is HP doing to promote OpenVMS?" A rhetorical question? We all know the answer is "Nothing!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 21:36:31 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <854fe$463d3127$cef8887a$23450@TEKSAVVY.COM> > Neil Rieck wrote: > "what is HP doing to promote OpenVMS?" > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > A rhetorical question? We all know the answer is "Nothing!" Now that HP has had VMS for over 5 years, now that Carly has been out for over a year, can we start to draw conclusions that HP has no intentions to grow VMS and, like Palmer's "affinity program", HP would rather see VMS customers migrate to another platform (Windows or HP-UX). ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.247 ************************