INFO-VAX Fri, 18 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 271 Contents: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Re: DS10 (not DS10L) Special for May Re: DS10 (not DS10L) Special for May Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Re: How to have the exact DCPS version number Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: OT - Printers, etc. (was Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? HP ?HP Re: VMSMail notification message Re: [OT] Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be Re: [OT] Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 May 2007 17:49:35 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Message-ID: <1179449375.676971.243350@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 16, 10:37 am, Stephen Hoffman wrote: [...snip...] > > If done right, it's all just multiprocessing, after all. > Yep but multiple cores solve other problems. For example, context switching can be very expensive if you need to save 64 registers (Alpha) or 128 registers (Itanium). With a large multi-core system the software could run to completion on the same core. > > With the various Intel 64 designs I've looked at, the traditional > technical bottleneck appears to involve the FSB out through the > northbridge; bandwidth through that has not matched that of AMD64 > designs, nor that of the EV7 design. The oft-quoted current Intel FSB > is 1.3 GHz, though I haven't seen nor calculated the width and latency > discussed for that -- EV7 bandwidth was massive, and the latency among > the processors was was very low. > AMD64 supports moving the memory controller to the CPU so in many ways this is just like EV7. > > Given Intel retired the processor GHz marketing a while back, it > would not surprise me to see Intel drop off the FSB GHz bus with the > advent of any significant future change to the northbridge and related > design used for the Intel chips. > True but techies will always be able to publish system benchmarks after a product enters the marketplace. > > A port of OpenVMS to x86-64 looks technically feasible given the > existence of four rings plus VM and of various other core features, > though the low-level results will undoubtedly see differences from other > platforms. The memory management uses segmentation, which means the > page protections are gone; it's now protection on a range of pages. The > memory management design for x86-64 looks rather nicer than that of > x86-32 in certain regards. Simpler. > This is good news. > > Would I like to see OpenVMS on the x86-64 platform? Sure. > > Do I know if HP plans this port? No. > > Do I know if there would be sufficient ROI here for HP -- or for the > ISVs, or for the customers -- to make a port justified? No. > > Conversely, x86-64 boxes are already widely available and are already > running various applications, and with entirely functional operating > systems and user environments. > HP makes lots of money from OpenVMS but this could slow when the marketplace drifts toward smaller but more powerful systems. When that happens HP will have two choices: 1) abandon OpenVMS 2) port OpenVMS to x86-64 to keep milking the cow. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 17:58:13 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Message-ID: <1179449893.739739.93620@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 17, 8:49 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: I've read this article 5-6 times now and seem to notice more details each time through. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 REMOVAL OF OLDER FEATURES: A number of "system programming" features of the x86 architecture are not used in modern operating systems and are not available on AMD64 in long (64-bit and compatibility) mode. These include segmented addressing (although the FS and GS segments were retained in vestigial form for compatibility with Windows code), the task state switch mechanism, and Virtual-8086 mode. These features do of course remain fully implemented in "legacy mode," thus permitting these processors to run 32-bit and 16-bit operating systems without modification. If, at some point in the future, 32-bit and 16- bit code using those features is no longer used, support for them might be removed from hardware to streamline processor design and save manufacturing costs. These features could be emulated in the operating system to preserve legacy application compatibility, as with DOSBox and similar emulators. LONG MODE - The intended primary mode of operation of the architecture; it is a combination of the processor's native 64-bit mode and a 32-bit/16-bit compatibility mode. It is used by 64-bit operating systems. Under a 64-bit operating system, 64-bit, 32-bit and 16-bit (or 80286) protected mode applications may be supported. Since the basic instruction set is the same, there is no major performance penalty for executing x86 code. This is unlike Intel's IA-64, where differences in the underlying ISA means that running 32-bit code is like using an entirely different processor. However, on AMD64, 32-bit x86 applications may still benefit from a 64-bit recompile, due to the additional registers in 64-bit code, which a high-level compiler can use for optimization. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:00:26 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: ... For example, context > switching can be very expensive if you need to save 64 registers > (Alpha) or 128 registers (Itanium). With a large multi-core system the > software could run to completion on the same core. I'm not sure that I find that argument persuasive. Context-switches occur either because of interrupts by higher-priority activities (in which case they'll still occur just as often unless you have a completely *idle* core to use for that) or because of time-slicing among activities of similar priority (in which case any significant increase in throughput from multiple cores due purely to a reduction in context-switching overhead likely indicates that you've got your execution time quantum set too short, since with even a modest time slice the switching overhead should be well down in the noise). I don't think most modern OSs switch register context when moving between application and system domains due to an application request: if they did, that perhaps would change the analysis somewhat, though cache-affinity issues would to some degree tend to offset any context-switch gain achieved by moving the request to a different processor. - bill ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 18:58:34 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: DS10 (not DS10L) Special for May Message-ID: "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in news:134p7g5romqlf65@news.supernews.com: > Until May 30th > > > Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz Do you do a line of ski masks and dark clothes? I'd have to rob the bank to buy one as it'd be a hobbyist purchase and She Who Must Be Obeyed would not approve of a >$2K toy. You should do T-shirts for sale as well as giveaways. "Island. Affordable Alphas". I'll let someone else suggest which machine you should feature on them, although you could have a rack full of them. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:11:05 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" Subject: Re: DS10 (not DS10L) Special for May Message-ID: Actually we do have tshirts (bright orange or navy blue) that we give away on purchases of $1500 or more They are 100% cotton hefty -t's currently DT "Doc" wrote in message news:Xns9933D562CDC41docopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.230... > "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in > news:134p7g5romqlf65@news.supernews.com: > >> Until May 30th >> >> >> Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz > > Do you do a line of ski masks and dark clothes? I'd have to rob the bank > to buy one as it'd be a hobbyist purchase and She Who Must Be Obeyed would > not approve of a >$2K toy. > > You should do T-shirts for sale as well as giveaways. "Island. Affordable > Alphas". I'll let someone else suggest which machine you should feature > on > them, although you could have a rack full of them. > > > Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 17:27:18 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: For Sue - HP Proliant Server Problems Message-ID: <1179448038.670809.20000@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 14, 12:57 pm, "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > As an HP customer, I really don't care who handles my tech support calls as > long as I can understand them on the phone and they can get the job done. > Until I posted last week, neither was occurring. Therefore, my assessment > of using Costa Rica for telephone support is a long term lose/lose > situation. Customers lose the HP support they were accustomed to and HP > loses customers when they are ready to replace their existing equipment. > Oh, and by the way, when the latter happens, the "banana and coffee bean > pickers" will be out of a job because their former job has now been taken by > someone else. > > Mike Ober. > > wrote in message > > news:00A679AD.D1765A8C@SendSpamHere.ORG... > > > > > In article <46486302$0$505$815e3...@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" > > writes: > > {...snip...} > >>Now, who do we complain to that outsourcing the gatekeepers to Costa Rica > >>is > >>a lousy idea. > > > Not for the former banana and coffee bean pickers in Costa Rica. > > > -- > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Just to close on this Mike and I did talk and this has been resolved. Sue ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 18:09:19 -0700 From: kiwi-red Subject: Re: How to have the exact DCPS version number Message-ID: <1179450559.749329.41660@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Doesn't a show log dcps$version also tell you? Assuming you've started it. kiwi On May 17, 11:35 pm, Paul Anderson wrote: > In article <464b7...@news.langstoeger.at>, > p...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > > > I do not run DCPS$STARTUP.COM (as you probably still know - I told it > > more than once that I don't like to INIT a queue with every boot, I > > only define the DCPS$ logicals and obviously not all ;-) > > Have you tried running DCPS$STARTUP in "setup" mode? We introduced it > in V2.2 for customers like you who felt DCPS$STARTUP took too long to > run due to all the INITIALIZE /QUEUE commands. > > Paul > > -- > Paul Anderson > OpenVMS Engineering > Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:34:09 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: <464ca02c$0$79139$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Read the doc or the presentations in http://www.digiater.nl/downloads LD devices can not be mscp served due to their 'odd' characteristics. It might be possible to get it done but that would need a lot of work and changes in low-level VMS code that I don't control anymore. You need to connect the container file /shared, and do that on another node as well. The physical devices must be mscp served. So for example if you have $1$DKA0:[000000]disk1.dsk and that disk is shared and mounted on two nodes you can do this: Node a: $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: Node b: $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: You might need to add /alloclass=xxx to specific an allocation class for the LD devices if the system parameter ALLOCLASS is different on the two systems. Then you can mount lda1: on both nodes and share the data. Jur. Dave Greenwood wrote: > Jur van der Burg wrote: >> LDdriver V9.0 has just been released, it includes virtual tape support. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html > > This is my first experience with LDdriver. Can it be served to other > members of the cluster? I got a "SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for > requested operation" error when I tried SET DEV/SERVED LDA1:. > > Thanks, > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:04:50 -0400 From: Dave Greenwood Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: Actually, I did look at the presentations. Obviously not carefully enough. I guess I just assumed that mscp serving was available because Glenn Everhart's vddriver (which I've used in the past) serves virtual disks. I figure I can work out the startup logic for /shared, however. LDdriver has some nice features (create/clone for example). Thanks, Dave Jur van der Burg wrote: > Read the doc or the presentations in http://www.digiater.nl/downloads > > LD devices can not be mscp served due to their 'odd' characteristics. > It might be possible to get it done but that would need a lot of work > and changes in low-level VMS code that I don't control anymore. > > You need to connect the container file /shared, and do that on another > node as well. > The physical devices must be mscp served. > > So for example if you have $1$DKA0:[000000]disk1.dsk and that disk is > shared > and mounted on two nodes you can do this: > > Node a: > > $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: > > Node b: > > $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: > > You might need to add /alloclass=xxx to specific an allocation class for > the > LD devices if the system parameter ALLOCLASS is different on the two > systems. > > Then you can mount lda1: on both nodes and share the data. > > Jur. > > > Dave Greenwood wrote: >> Jur van der Burg wrote: >>> LDdriver V9.0 has just been released, it includes virtual tape support. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html >> >> This is my first experience with LDdriver. Can it be served to other >> members of the cluster? I got a "SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for >> requested operation" error when I tried SET DEV/SERVED LDA1:. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 21:41:03 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: <464ccbef$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <47aa1$464c936a$cef8887a$25342@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >Dave Greenwood wrote: >> This is my first experience with LDdriver. Can it be served to other >> members of the cluster? I got a "SET-E-INVDEV, device is invalid for >> requested operation" error when I tried SET DEV/SERVED LDA1:. > >I agree. Having the abillity to serve LD drives would be very nice. Is >it architecturally possible to do this ? Don't know, and why not. But what for? >(This would allow one to satellite boot a node from the contents of a CD >mounted as a LDA device to perform some install etc). > >Right now, one needs to have a physical disk available to load the CD >contents so that it can be served to other nodes in the cluster. No. You could also use a LDAx device and serve it via the Infoserver software built into VMS to the satellite where it is then a DADx device... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:07:25 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: <1080b$464cb61b$cef8887a$3754@TEKSAVVY.COM> Jur van der Burg wrote: > Node a: > $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: > > Node b: > $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: > Then you can mount lda1: on both nodes and share the data. But in such a case, is it correct to state that there will not be any proper clusterwide locking of the files/records inside the LDA1: disk ? aka: you would have access conflicts that are undetected when node1 accesses chocolate.dat in LDA1: as node2 writes to chocolate.dat at the same time ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:48:51 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Jur van der Burg wrote: >> Node a: >> $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: >> >> Node b: >> $ ld connect $1$dka0:[000000]disk1.dsk/shared lda1: >> >> Then you can mount lda1: on both nodes and share the data. > > But in such a case, is it correct to state that there will not be any > proper clusterwide locking of the files/records inside the LDA1: disk ? When VMS chooses resource names for locks to coordinate access to disks and to RMS files on those disks part of the resource name is based on the device label at the time a disk is mounted (plus a flag as to whether the disk is mounted /SYSTEM or privately). So in the same way that VMS can coordinate files on a DSA1: device on each node for Shadowing, it can coordinate access to an LDA1: device on each node. LDA1: needs to point to the same container file on each node, of course. And the container file needs to be on a device accessible from each node. VMS lock usage is described in an appendix of the IDSM entitled "Lock and Resource Use by OpenVMS Components." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:04:39 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: Dave Greenwood wrote: > LDdriver has some nice features (create/clone for example). I like the ability to create an LD device through which you access a physical device (CONNECT/REPLACE) along with the I/O trace capability, which allows you to track and log each and every I/O to a device. I used that at Bootcamp a while back to show all the actual I/Os going on to each member of a shadowset, during full-/mini-copies, full-/mini-merges, and steady-state reads and writes. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 00:45:41 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > > Super! Now, If only I knew how to write the emulation so a VMS machine > > could act as a Virtual Tape Library... > Library support is being worked on. Probably in the next version. > Jur. Now that sounds nice! Zane ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2007 01:01:53 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > > Very cool, I'm curious, does the virtual tape support include > > compatibility with any of the existing formats for tape images? The > > key one that would likely be of interest to myself is TPC > > compatibility, however, I could see others being interested in > > compatibility with the SIMH Virtual Tape format. > No, it has a private format due to lack of standards. But it is flexible > and could be changed in the future if needed. I personally think this would be rather nice to have. I suspect that the primary formats that might be of interest would be as follows. TPC (used on both VMS and RSX) RSX Virtual Tape format (used on at least the newest versions of RSX-11M+) SIMH Whatever format Charon-VAX uses The ability to read the different formats would be very nice, the ability to write the different formats might be more important to people. > > The other question that comes to mind is will this work if the Virtual > > Tape file is located on a Unix NFS server? > Yes, no problem. OK, I definitely need to get the new version installed, as this would help me to get more frequent backups! I do backup to DLT4 tapes, just not as frequently as I should (and they are stored offsite). Backing up to an NFS share would allow me to revive my automated backups. As a result I'm inclined to say that the virtual tape library support would be of far more use than support for other virtual tape formats. Zane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:27:11 +0200 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: OT - Printers, etc. (was Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Message-ID: <464cd5a7$0$21933$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> David J Dachtera wrote: > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >>> >>> Laser printer for B&W? >> >> I have a RX600 - if you see what that is, you will understand that I >> need an all-in-one solution. Anyway, the fact I needed to print a >> few contracts does not excuse the Epson design that forces you to >> buy ink !!! > > Well, you may need an All-in-One solution; however, the RX600 is a > PHOTO printer, not to mention an inkjet. I'd question whether it is > as suitable for SOHO use as it is for home photo printing combined > with scanning, etc. Definitely not for medium volume SOHO stuff, IMO. > > We have an OfficeJet K series color MFP for my wife (print, AFX > Scanner, not photo quality). Even she sends print jobs to my LaserJet > 1100A when she needs more than just a few pages. > > You may want to look into an old DeskJet 500 or something for jobs > not needing color if you find laser not affordable. The DJ500 even > has both parallel and serial comm. ports. Check it out on eBay. I saw > one starting at $2.99(US) today. > > I have a DJ500 I no longer use, if you'd be interested... I can afford to buy my own personal Kinkos if that was necesssary - this is a philosophical/legal/moral issue. Is it reasonable for a printer to shut down - ie. cannot print anything at all - because the printer has arbitrarily determined that all the colour cartridges are now "empty". Remember, I am trying to print a b&w page at this point, and zero ink has been used from any colour cartridge. I think the reasonable answer is no. All the other posts about printers while marginally interesting studiously avoid this. Anyway, like I said, I picked up a chip resetter and plenty of cartridges on my last trip to Asia, so I am sorted - sort of. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:30:45 +0200 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Message-ID: <464cd67c$0$21933$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <134o6nes6urng0b@corp.supernews.com>, Phaeton > writes: >> >> >> Number 10: >> "Exercise" has come to mean rolling your neck and focusing your eyes >> on >> distant objects. >> >> Number 9: >> Strange discolourations have appeared where your arms rest on your >> chair and desk. >> >> Number 8: >> Friends no longer bother calling your mobile, they skype you. >> >> Number 7: >> You have RSI in BOTH arms. > > I didn't know what RSI meant so I googled it. Google/wiki came up > with > Repetitive strain injury. Sadly, the description of RSI seems to fit > a > pain I have had for the past year in my neck and shoulder. I guess > it's > time to see YAD (yet another doctor). Yes, Princess Diana died of it in fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpal_tunnel_syndrome Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:21:17 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Message-ID: <00A67C49.6379D1F3@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <464cd67c$0$21933$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <134o6nes6urng0b@corp.supernews.com>, Phaeton >> writes: >>> >>> >>> Number 10: >>> "Exercise" has come to mean rolling your neck and focusing your eyes >>> on >>> distant objects. >>> >>> Number 9: >>> Strange discolourations have appeared where your arms rest on your >>> chair and desk. >>> >>> Number 8: >>> Friends no longer bother calling your mobile, they skype you. >>> >>> Number 7: >>> You have RSI in BOTH arms. >> >> I didn't know what RSI meant so I googled it. Google/wiki came up >> with >> Repetitive strain injury. Sadly, the description of RSI seems to fit >> a >> pain I have had for the past year in my neck and shoulder. I guess >> it's >> time to see YAD (yet another doctor). > >Yes, Princess Diana died of it in fact. Huh? She died from a car crash. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:49:38 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: OT:[Humor] Top Ten Signs You Need to Spend More Time Away From Your Desk Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A67C49.6379D1F3@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article <464cd67c$0$21933$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > > > > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article <134o6nes6urng0b@corp.supernews.com>, Phaeton > >> writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> Number 10: > >>> "Exercise" has come to mean rolling your neck and focusing your eyes > >>> on > >>> distant objects. > >>> > >>> Number 9: > >>> Strange discolourations have appeared where your arms rest on your > >>> chair and desk. > >>> > >>> Number 8: > >>> Friends no longer bother calling your mobile, they skype you. > >>> > >>> Number 7: > >>> You have RSI in BOTH arms. > >> > >> I didn't know what RSI meant so I googled it. Google/wiki came up > >> with > >> Repetitive strain injury. Sadly, the description of RSI seems to fit > >> a > >> pain I have had for the past year in my neck and shoulder. I guess > >> it's > >> time to see YAD (yet another doctor). > > > >Yes, Princess Diana died of it in fact. > > Huh? She died from a car crash. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" C'mon Brian, it was worth a chuckle (You were in pretty could form yourself the other day) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:25:14 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: Hi Brian, I'll re-read the whole thread again tonight but do these changes yeild the result you're after? PEER: .WORD 16,0 .ADDRESS P_ADR .ADDRESS P_LEN .LONG 0 P_LEN: .LONG 0 P_ADR: addr_dom: .word 0 port_num: .word 0 host_adr: .byte 0[4] .blkb 8 Cheers Richard Maher. wrote in message news:00A67BE3.11A55427@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > > > > >Hi Brian, > >> > >> I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure without > >> the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. > > > >Are you able to show the $qio and the declaration/values of the parameters > >you're passing in? > > Here you go. Real simple and in MACRO so everyone can try it. > > $ASSIGN a CHANnel to some BG device in a connection. You'll need, at > a minimum, SHARE privilege to $ASSIGN to the bg device. > > $EFNDEF > $IODEF > > .PSECT DATA,WRT,NOEXE,5 > > PEER: .WORD 4*8,0 > .ADDRESS P_ADR > .ADDRESS P_LEN > .LONG 0 > > P_LEN: .LONG 0 > P_ADR: .LONG 0[8] > > IOSB: .LONG 0[2] > > CHAN: .LONG 0 > BGDEV: .ASCID "_bg1234:" ; <== edit to contain some existing bg > > > .PSECT CODE,NOWRT,EXE,5 > .ENTRY GO,0 > > $ASSIGN_S DEVNAM = BGDEV,- > CHAN = CHAN > BLBS R0,10$ > RET > > 10$: MOVAB PEER,R0 > $QIOW_S EFN = #EFN$C_ENF,- > CHAN = CHAN,- > FUNC = #IO$_SENSEMODE,- > IOSB = IOSB,- > P4 = R0 > NOP ; here examine P_LEN and P_ADR in debug > RET > .END GO > > > > in debug: > > DBG>DBG> EXAMINE P_LEN > .MAIN.\P_LEN: 0000001C < SIN6$K_LENGTH > DBG> EXAMINE P_ADR > .MAIN.\P_ADR[0:7] > [0]: 97C0001A < upper word will be socket # > [1]-[3]: 00000000 > [4]: 0FFFF0000 > [5]: 0FC02A8C0 < will contain your peers adr > [6]-[7]: 00000000 > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:36:50 -0700 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A67BE3.65BC8D18@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, > Jr." writes: >> >> >> >> wrote in message >>news:00A67B09.4FAB7135@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>> In article , "John Gemignani, >>> Jr." writes: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> wrote in message >>>>news:00A67A7C.E34FD775@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>>>> In article <00A67A68.F7818E9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- >>>>> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>>>{...snip...} >>>>> >>>>> A little more info... the socket name structures are documented on >>>>> section >>>>> 5.5 of >>>>> the HP TCPIP Services "Sockets API and System Services Programming"; >>>>> particularly >>>>> in figures 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10. >>>>> >>>>> When using the IO$_SENSEMODE, is there anyway to enforce one format >>>>> over >>>>> another? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >>>>> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>>>> >>>>> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >>>> >>>>I coded up the QIO interface when TCPIP added support for IPv6. This >>>>required the BSD 4.4 interface which included the new length field. To >>>>use >>>>the BSD 4.4 interface (SIN44$), you need to set a special bit in the QIO >>>>modifiers. I think it was something like the IO$M_EXTEND bit. Otherwise >>>>a >>>>BSD 4.3 block (SIN$) is returned. >>> >>> I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure >>> without >>> the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. >> >> So then, you're NOT using IO$_SENSEMODE as you stated in your original >>question. >> If you're using IO$_ACPCONTROL, are you asking the ACP to perform name >>translation? >> From what I recall, that was an undocumented interface (but I could be >>wrong). > > Sorry, it is IO$_SENSEMODE... not IO$_ACPCONTROL. I just posted a simple > bit of code. What did you specify for a length in the descriptor? Did you give it the full potential size of the result? ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 10:59:48 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: <1179424787.921009.57270@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 17, 9:42 am, "Richard Brodie" wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in messagenews:464C635C.4040908@comcast.net... > > > The available evidence; e.g. the number of ink jet printers at curbside on trash day, > > suggests that a lot of people just buy a new printer instead of buying a new ink > > cartridge. It doesn't cost all that much more. . . . ;-) > > A lot of people assume that when they buy a new printer it comes with > a full cartridge... It (usually) does; just a full low capacity 'demo' cartridge. ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 11:05:16 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: <1179425116.078022.156420@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 17, 9:08 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Doc writes: > > >"Dr. Dweeb" wrote in > >news:464a5780$0$7608$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk: > > >> Well, don=F8t buy an Epson either. I just printed several hundred bla= ck > >> text pages, it now tells me my 5 colour cartridges are empty and will > >> print nothing. > > >> ALL printer manufacturers are thieves and rogues - sadly there are no > >> good choices. > > >I've had no complaints over my Canon PIXMA, the cartridges don't have any > >circuitry in them and the ink level is visible as the case is not totally > >opaque plastic. When a cartridge runs out I replace one, and I get about > >a week warning with my usage level. > > I have both Canon and Epson printers (I have a wonderful d|i|g|i|t|a|l LN= C02 > as well but Hopelessly Pathetic left me holding onto a $4K boat anchor wh= en > they took over the helm and decided not to support it with consumables.) = My > Canon i9900 is used for printing photos and does a beautiful job at it. = My > Epson is a Stylus Photo R300. I use it for general printing and I purcha= sed > specifically for its ability to print on CDs/DVDs. Both printers use ind= iv- > idual ink color cartridges. I've never had to waste an ink cart because = one > emptied before the others. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)C= OM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Check Ebay for LNC02 consumables, assuming there's no date/lifetime issues involved. I don't know how prices compare to when they were normally available, but there are a number of items listed. I still use my DEC Colorwriter 520ic for basic printing from the home network (no photos, but its OK for website graphics). Office Depot carried cartridges until 2003 (bought extras when they were closing out), and I got a set on Ebay that will last me the rest of the decade. I even have the serial interface, though I'm running it off an printserver now. The last color cartridge I opened was 8 years old, but still worked fine. The black ones are newer, and again work fine when their sealed containers are opened. ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 13:39:27 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: <1179434367.935455.118030@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On May 17, 8:50 am, Doc wrote: > "Dr. Dweeb" wrote innews:464a5780$0$7608$157c6196@dreade= r2.cybercity.dk: > > > Well, don=F8t buy an Epson either. I just printed several hundred black > > text pages, it now tells me my 5 colour cartridges are empty and will > > print nothing. > > > ALL printer manufacturers are thieves and rogues - sadly there are no > > good choices. > > I've had no complaints over my Canon PIXMA, the cartridges don't have any > circuitry in them and the ink level is visible as the case is not totally > opaque plastic. When a cartridge runs out I replace one, and I get about > a week warning with my usage level. > > My previous printer was also a Canon, and it didn't stop working - it > just got progressively harder to get ink for it. Considering it lasted > about 10 years before that happened I'd no complaints. > > My plumber recently bought a laptop and dock with all the trimmings from > me. The printer/scanner/fax was a combo unit from Canon, url wraps > horribly. > > http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/canon-pixma-mp530/4505-... > _7-31990796.html > > He's delighted with it, and as he was already spending several thousand > euros I included a set of ink refills on the bill. He hasn't called > asking how to install them yet, so I suspect he isn't through any of the > first set yet. > > Doc. I recently bought a Canon MP830 and I'm very impressed with it after using HP for years. It has individual photo/color cartridges (Black, Yellow, Magenta, Cyan) plus a larger Black for text. Each costs under or about $15 and you can buy them individually or as a set. So far it's done *everything* better than any such product I've ever owned. Lacks a built-in NIC, which almost pushed me to HP, but I'm glad I got the Canon. I looked at the MP530, too, and liked it, but I talked myself into spending a bit more for the 830. (myself put up a bit of a fight but finally relented;-) I avoid Epson at any cost (except maybe free with full ink-tanks;-) Never had a Brother, but their Laser's get good reviews. Never had a Lexmark, either, but I know someone who has a low end (under $60) inkjet and they haven't had any problems with it (don't know about ink costs). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:53:46 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? HP ?HP Message-ID: Doug Phillips wrote: > I recently bought a Canon MP830 and I'm very impressed with it after > using HP for years. It has individual photo/color cartridges (Black, > Yellow, Magenta, Cyan) HP also sells some printer models with individual cartridges for each color of ink. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 22:42:29 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: VMSMail notification message Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <1179414006.076557.80560@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, BaxterD@tessco.com writes: > > I know this is a very simple problem, but how do I suppress the > > "new mail" messages which are being displayed on the terminal?? > > > > e.g. New mail on node XXXXXX from XXXXXX::NIGHTEND (09:47:55) > > > > 1) get people to stop sending you email > 2) get the system manager to set your account "dismail" > 3) change your terminal settings as specified in "help set terminal" > (but then you also won't get system shutdown warnings and such) Disable just the mail message with SET BROADCAST=NOMAIL. > If you have a problem with these being displayed while in an editor > or such, the VMS convention is that control-W redraws the screen. > If you have an application that is not obeying this it may have a > different convention, or you might ask for it to be fixed. Or, edit from within a command file, turning off the mail broadcast before invoking the editor and turning it back on afterwards (assuming one wants to see it, except when editing). Note: I often edit from within a command file anyway, so that I can save the file from EDT without exiting (I'm not aware of another way of doing this). (As a bonus, I get uniquely named journal files.) $! EE.COM $! $ DEFINE/USER_MODE EDT_FILE 'P1' $ FILE = F$ELEMENT(0,".",P1) $ TYPE = F$ELEMENT(1,".",P1) $ JFL = FILE + "_" + TYPE + ".JOU" $ IF F$SEARCH(JFL) .NES. "" THEN GOTO JOURNAL $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND $ EDIT/EDT/JOURNAL='JFL' 'P1' $ EXIT $JOURNAL: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%EE-E-JRNLFE, journal file exists" $ READ/PROMPT="press return to recover, ^Y to abort " SYS$COMMAND ANSW $ DEFINE/USER_MODE SYS$INPUT SYS$COMMAND $ EDIT/EDT/JOURNAL='JFL'/RECOVER 'P1' $ EXIT Then put this in EDTINI.EDT: DEFINE KEY GOLD W AS "EXT WRITE EDT_FILE." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:11:52 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: [OT] Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be Message-ID: <464CA8F8.9030104@comcast.net> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <464C635C.4040908@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >>The available evidence; e.g. the number of ink jet printers at curbside >>on trash day, suggests that a lot of people just buy a new printer >>instead of buying a new ink cartridge. It doesn't cost all that much >>more. . . . ;-) > > > I have a Lexmark that was supposed to be free as part of an Apple > promotion, but due to incompetence was actually bought at $75. It > takes two cartridges at over $100 total. > > It gathers dust. > About ten years ago, I bought an HP LJ4000 with a Duplex unit. I'm still using it though I'm only on my second toner cartridge. I suppose its' overkill for a home printer but it works and works well. I added a Jet Direct card a couple of years ago so now it's a network printer and any computer in the house can use it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:15:22 -0700 From: Vance Haemmerle Subject: Re: [OT] Thieving printer manufacturers was: Re: Shouldn't we be Message-ID: <464D1A4A.7020704@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: > >> In article <464C635C.4040908@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" >> writes: >> >>> The available evidence; e.g. the number of ink jet printers at >>> curbside on trash day, suggests that a lot of people just buy a new >>> printer instead of buying a new ink cartridge. It doesn't cost all >>> that much more. . . . ;-) >> >> >> >> I have a Lexmark that was supposed to be free as part of an Apple >> promotion, but due to incompetence was actually bought at $75. It >> takes two cartridges at over $100 total. >> >> It gathers dust. >> > > About ten years ago, I bought an HP LJ4000 with a Duplex unit. I'm > still using it though I'm only on my second toner cartridge. I suppose > its' overkill for a home printer but it works and works well. I added a > Jet Direct card a couple of years ago so now it's a network printer and > any computer in the house can use it. > > I have the same thing... only I'm still on my first cartridge. Vance ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.271 ************************