INFO-VAX Mon, 16 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 386 Contents: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols RE: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement Re: EDT Replacement RE: Internet2 Shibboleth on OpenVMS Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) SRM isp1020_edit command symlink to another device Re: symlink to another device Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Re: XML for VMS Re: XML for VMS Re: XML for VMS Re: XML for VMS Re: XML for VMS Re: XML for VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:30:25 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >wrote: > >> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip >> Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >> > >> > >> >I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been running >> >for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much longer >> >many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so >> >what actually causes the error? >> > >> >Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum Unit >> >Dynamic >> >-------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- >> >------- >> >CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 Pages >> > D >> > >> >Thus, no room for improvement here! >> >> Phillip, >> >> One of the features I put in my SYMBOL utility was the capability to examine >> the pool region from which DCL allocates space for symbols. I'd suggest you >> use it to see what it going on. >> >> I would wager that after many days of creating and deleting DCL symbols, the >> pool is too fragmented to allocate enough space to create some symbol and it >> is this that is causing you to get the: >> >> %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols >> >> error message. > >How efficient is DELETE/SYMBOL/ALL at clearing up pool fragmentation? I would say, not very! But if you add /GLOBAL and or /LOCAL you get better results. $ SYMBOL/SHOW=(NOSYMBOLS,NOPROCEDURES,POOL_STATISTICS) ------------------------------------------------------------ Maximum Symbol Table Size: 385024(dec) / 05E000(hex) Bytes Amount in Use for Symbols: 23472(dec) / 005BB0(hex) Bytes Total Available Free Pool: 352568(dec) / 056138(hex) Bytes Currently Available Free Pool Found in 10 Pool Fragments Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 504(dec) / 0001F8(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 8(dec) / 000008(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 40(dec) / 000028(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 264(dec) / 000108(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 24(dec) / 000018(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 16(dec) / 000010(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 16(dec) / 000010(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 8(dec) / 000008(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 16(dec) / 000010(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 351672(dec) / 055DB8(hex) Bytes ------------------------------------------------------------ $ DELETEE/SYMBOL/GLOBAL/ALL $ SYMBOL/SHOW=(NOSYMBOLS,NOPROCEDURES,POOL_STATISTICS) ------------------------------------------------------------ Maximum Symbol Table Size: 385024(dec) / 05E000(hex) Bytes Amount in Use for Symbols: 160(dec) / 0000A0(hex) Bytes Total Available Free Pool: 375880(dec) / 05BC48(hex) Bytes Currently Available Free Pool Found in 2 Pool Fragments Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 792(dec) / 000318(hex) Bytes Free (Pool Fragment) Size: 375088(dec) / 05B930(hex) Bytes ------------------------------------------------------------ -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:49:46 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: AEF [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: July 14, 2007 10:28 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube > > On Jul 14, 12:24 am, "Paul Dembry" wrote: > > Why not just cut the cable? Since HP has so much "spare" > equipment, perhaps > > I could take some of it off of their hands? > > Paul > > While that may be a sufficient test, it lacks the drama of an > explosion. It lacks the horror of permanently losing your equipment > and data. It lacks the "raised-eye brow" "jaw-drop" factor. It > lacks > the attention-getting factor. (Exercise: Come up with your own > missing > factors.) > > It also fits better with the title: Disaster-proof. A cut wire > could > be fixed or replaced much faster than a blown-to-bits data center! > A > cut wire hardly counts as a disaster. And which wire? The wire > connecting the data centers? The wires from the primary data center > to > the users? Both? How likely is that? Then consider what they > actually > did: Explosion. Kaboom! Kablooey!!! No doubt your primary data > center > is very suddenly lost and unrecoverable. Yikes!!! And there's no > UPS- > equivalent for being blown to bits! > > And after the shots of big winds, tornadoes and the like, a cut > wire? > I don't think so. Kind of a let-down, no? > > An explosion means word will spread around a lot more. I don't see > people spreading the word about a cut wire: "Look! They cut the > wire > connecting the primary and backup sites!!! WOW!!!!!" No, I don't > see > it. A cut wire won't cause rubbernecking, for example. > > I'm not normally fond of destroying perfectly good equipment, but > if > it helps sell VMS (or slow its demise, even), I'm all for it. > > This is marketing, not just testing. > > AEF Another point - Many Cust's only plan for a subset of their really mission critical stuff t= o be resumed at the target backup site thinking that they only need to oper= ate for a week or two and can then flip back to normal. Hence, this demo emphasizes that: - your primary DC may be gone - period. How long will it take to locate, bu= ild and/or migrate IT stuff to that new facility so that all normal process= ing can continue? Likely minimum of 3 months. - as part of your testing, things like end user to backup bandwidth and lat= ency testing needs to be fully tested as you may be operating for 3+ months= with no backup DC i.e. running in the backup site. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 2007 07:22:40 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <46996748.C46E8D6@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > > Is there a quick/easy help or something that shows all the available commands > that would be acceptable in an EVEINI.EVE file? > > ...or must one wade through the EVE/TPU doc.'s to find that? Isn't that what the docs are for? Of course, if you post a summary online somewhere folks will use it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:29:18 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <0tudncHpA8Q3ygbbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>, John Sauter wrote: > P. Sture wrote: > > > Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the > > V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). > > It would be better to check the data of EDTSHR.EXE. EDT.EXE is just a > stub which invokes the shareable image. That said, if EDT.EXE was > relinked for 8.3, chances are EDTSHR.EXE was also. > John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) Here's the lot on V8.3 Alpha :-) $ dir/date/size=all sys$common:edt* Directory SYS$COMMON: EDT.EXE;1 137/144 29-JUN-2006 18:18:43.86 Total of 1 file, 137/144 blocks. Directory SYS$COMMON: EDTHELP.HLB;1 154/162 29-JUN-2006 18:21:51.20 EDTVT100.DOC;1 3/18 5-SEP-1984 00:29:58.04 EDTVT200.DOC;1 4/18 5-SEP-1984 00:30:01.00 EDTVT52.DOC;1 3/18 5-SEP-1984 00:30:03.89 Total of 4 files, 164/216 blocks. Directory SYS$COMMON: EDTSHR.EXE;1 493/504 29-JUN-2006 18:17:46.72 EDTSHR.IIF;1 3/18 30-JUN-2006 15:24:35.52 Total of 2 files, 496/522 blocks. Directory SYS$COMMON: EDTINI.TEMPLATE;1 4/18 16-MAY-1985 17:41:07.49 Total of 1 file, 4/18 blocks. Grand total of 4 directories, 8 files, 801/900 blocks. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:36:40 GMT From: "Steve Davidson" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: Hi John! What do you think they would have used to test this port given that the origional test system *required* a PDP-11 attached to a serial line? -Steve Davidson (former EDT Project Leader/Maintainer of EDT V3.10 circa 1989) "John Sauter" wrote in message news:BJKdnS7htZZLFwbbnZ2dnUVZ_om3nZ2d@comcast.com... > P. Sture wrote: > > In article <0tudncHpA8Q3ygbbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>, > > John Sauter wrote: > > > >> P. Sture wrote: > >> > >>> Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the > >>> V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). > >> It would be better to check the data of EDTSHR.EXE. EDT.EXE is just a > >> stub which invokes the shareable image. That said, if EDT.EXE was > >> relinked for 8.3, chances are EDTSHR.EXE was also. > >> John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) > > > > Here's the lot on V8.3 Alpha :-) > > [elided for brevity] > > That's quite interesting, thank you. Does the IIF file mean EDT on > Alpha is still running under the VAX simulator? I thought > they would have compiled it in native mode long since. The EDT source > is quite portable since it was written to also run on the PDP-11. > John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:49:31 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184600971.106502.158570@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 14, 7:16 pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > "P. Sture" wrote: > > > In article , > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On 07/13/07 13:37, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > > > Martin Krischik wrote: > > > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > >>> And the lines are all less than 255 char. > > > > >> ROFL! How many years ago that this has been an issue on any editor I use. > > > >> Ahh the last I remember is EPM on OS/2 but with a 2499 character limit. > > > > > Strange how I almost never need to edit a file with more than 255 > > > > characters per line! Text files tend to max out at 132 characters since > > > > that's the most you can print per line on most printers. I suppose > > > > there are exceptions but I would not need to remove my shoes to count > > > > the number of such files I needed to edit. > > > > > Issues with the terminal driver might make editing such a file difficult > > > > even in cases where the editor supports it. > > > > EVE lets you SHIFT RIGHT and SHIFT LEFT to see extra-long lines. > > > I have these definitions in my EVEINI.EVE: > > > DEFINE KEY=GOLD/RIGHT SHIFT LEFT 8 > > DEFINE KEY=GOLD/LEFT SHIFT RIGHT 8 > > Is there a quick/easy help or something that shows all the available commands > that would be acceptable in an EVEINI.EVE file? > > ...or must one wade through the EVE/TPU doc.'s to find that? > s.com/vms/support/ HELP from within eve should give you everything you need. If use eve to write your eve$init file, then they're all right there grouped by function. Press DO and enter HELP, or in /edt mode KP1 KP2 HELP. I only use the TPU manual If I'm writing a complex procedure; since I don't do that often enough for it to be rote. Here's my eve$init.eve: SET KEYPAD EDT SET SCROLL MARGINS 20% 20% SET CURSOR BOUND SET NOWRAP DEFINE KEY=GOLD-KP8 FILL RANGE DEFINE KEY=GOLD-Q QUIT DEFINE KEY=GOLD-E EXIT DEFINE KEY=GOLD-B BUFFER DEFINE KEY=GOLD-C PREVIOUS BUFFER DEFINE KEY=GOLD-R SHIFT RIGHT 50 DEFINE KEY=GOLD-L SHIFT LEFT 50 DEFINE KEY=GOLD-X INCLUDE DEFINE KEY=GOLD-? SHOW BUFFERS DEFINE KEY=CTRL/RIGHT SHIFT RIGHT 8 DEFINE KEY=CTRL/LEFT SHIFT LEFT 8 The bound cursor and scroll margins give a more edt-like feel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:51:50 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184604710.133641.310540@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 9:25 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <1184592090.962926.291...@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > Big John wrote: > > > HTH. I would be curious to know if doing this procedure now on a > > modern 8.3 system (which I don't have access to) throws up any new > > commands. It would be nice to see what advancements have been made. > > I've just done a DIFFERENCES on the outputs from a V7.2-1 and a V8.3 > system, with no changes. > > But you have left this off the bottom of your list: > > paginate ! Paginate > > I've put it up at > > > Is there anything there that isn't in HELP? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:43:35 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: RE: Internet2 Shibboleth on OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Daniel [mailto:mark.daniel@vsm.com.au] >> Sent: July 15, 2007 9:21 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Internet2 Shibboleth on OpenVMS >> >> Anyone tinkering with this? >> >> http://shibboleth.internet2.edu/ >> >> (And yes, I remember it took a decade to get Kerberos onto VMS :-) > Shibboleth is being used by JANET (Joint Academic Network) in the UK for accessing educational resources see http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/ http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/MemberList and http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/AvailableServices Middlesex University isn't currently using Shibboleth but we probably will be in the future. The main driver seems to be the library who provide access to online resource databases (these are currently mainly provided through a system called ATHENS for which there is a Shibboleth to Athens gateway see http://www.athensams.net/allresources/gatewayresources However there is pressure to move from Athens Authentication to ukfederation/shibboleth authentication since Athens will become a chargeable service after July 2008 see http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/library/uploads/Documents/overview.pdf ) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Mark, > >As I suspect you know :-), there have been numerous attempts at providing m= >ulti-vendor, multi-platform distributed security solutions over the years -= > each with varying degrees of success. Web Service standards and offerings = >continue to struggle big time with this as well. > >I could not agree more with the driver to do this. In fact, thx for the poi= >nter as I will read up more on this. > >However, those involved in projects like this need to have some background = >in order that they not repeat the many mistakes made in the past for these = >types of distributed security initiatives. A review of why DCE and other in= >itiatives like Microsoft's public program failed (I forget their code name)= > are likely in order. Why did Kerberos not gain wider acceptance for exampl= >e. > >There are also some very good commercial solutions with dedicated teams of = >SW engineers working on them that would likely be considered as the competi= >tion. (Yes, cheap is not a term for these solutions). > >At the US University I was at doing a DC and server optimization review, we= > quit counting after about 10 in terms of the different user authentication= > DB's in use at the University (HR out of syc with Banner out of sync with = >Parking out of sync with facilities out of sync with individual Colleges us= >ing different AD's like AFS, Microsoft AD etc). > >They were working to resolve it, but it was a real tough battle for them be= >cause the real issues with distributed common solutions in general are not = >technical, but rather data ownership issues. > >You get the same situation in most med to large companies today. > >This solution seems to take a federated approach, so it does sound promisin= >g, but will need to review this some more. > >Bottom line is that distributed security solutions are just really, really = >tough to do because security is people + process + technology and the techn= >ology is the one that typically gets blamed when people or process issues f= >ail. > >Many Cust's have totally given up on SSO (single sign on) as a theoretical = >concept that will never really be reached in most environments. Hence, the = >new buzz word often touted about is RSO (reduced sign-on) with a consolidat= >ion of auth db's, but recognize there will continue to be some App's etc th= >at will continue to use their own DB or repository for this. > > >Regards > > >Kerry Main >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >(remove the DOT's and AT) > >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > > ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 2007 07:29:36 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: <3Sp$Hn$LO0zM@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Ron Johnson writes: > > I wouldn't be surprised if the older ones like xpdf also build on > OpenVMS. > I've been using xpdf and jpfd on my VMS systems for years. xpdf has been the better of the two for me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:26:34 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: Ron Johnson wrote: > Why run Linux on Itanium? Another example: some of our customers have found that with Oracle you can often get the same or better performance with fewer cores with Itanium than with x86[-64], for similar hardware cost. For example, in one case a 6-core Itanium box gave the same or better performance for Oracle than an 8-way x86[-64] box, and the difference of 2 cores in Oracle license cost represents a big savings. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:47:06 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: SRM isp1020_edit command Message-ID: <20070716154706.GA89558@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> I've two printed SRM manuals but neither has any information on the SRM isp1020_edit command. I can use it on ds10l (firmware 7.3-1) but I've no idea what exactly it does. I did some searching and found that some people recommend running this command in cases of unsupported SCSI adapters, or if one is installing other OS on alpha. Does anybod know where this command is documented? thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:09:19 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: symlink to another device Message-ID: <1184580559.210387.28420@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> I created a symlink to another device $ create foo.com/sym="$1$dka100:[test]foo.com") but when I try to type it, I get an error instead of the content of the file $ type foo.com %TYPE-W-OPENIN, error opening $1$DKA0:[SYSTEM]FOO.COM;1 as input -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed -SYSTEM-F-FILNOTACC, file not accessed on channel is it possible to do such a thing ? maybe via the path root and some mount point ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:19:51 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: symlink to another device Message-ID: <07071608195150_20233CF7@antinode.org> From: Pierre > I created a symlink to another device > > $ create foo.com/sym="$1$dka100:[test]foo.com") > > but when I try to type it, I get an error instead of the content of > the file > > $ type foo.com > %TYPE-W-OPENIN, error opening $1$DKA0:[SYSTEM]FOO.COM;1 as input > -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed > -SYSTEM-F-FILNOTACC, file not accessed on channel > > is it possible to do such a thing ? maybe via the path root and some > mount point ? As the documentation says, http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/5763/5763pro_021.html#symlink_chap the C RTL is expecting symlink text to be a POSIX pathname, which yours is not. I don't have a convenient test system at the moment, but you might try using more slashes. For example, "/$1$dka100/test/foo.com". ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:59:57 GMT From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Message-ID: In article <1184462566.981228.133070@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Jul 14, 4:27 am, "H Vlems" wrote: > > > Hi Phillip, two systems (at home of course) run 8.3. One system was a new > > installation, on an Alpha Server 1200, the other was an upgrade from 7.3-2 > > on a Compaq Prof. Workstation 1000. The XP1000 complains at power on that > > its firmware is not at the required version. > > That's been a problem with the XP1000 and OpenVMS for several > versions. Don't worry about it. The table OpenVMS uses to decide on > the minimum required FW version doesn't work right on the XP1000. ... as explained in the release notes for the last several VMS versions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:23:17 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Message-ID: <1184588597.321928.48360@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On 12 Jul, 00:45, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > I plan to upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 soon. Anything special I should > keep in mind? > > I've lost track of the layered-product distributions. Since I like to > bundle my upgrades, it would be nice to wait until the next > layered-product distribution ships. When should that be? (The OS is > not so critical since patches are available from ITRC and I haven't lost > track of OS patches.) I doubt that you have anything that relies on mailboxes (i.e. MBA devices) but there is a bug in both Alpha and Integrity at 8.3 where the behaviour of DEVICE_NAMING is broken. Whatever you set it to, the mailbox driver lets the numbers go above MBA9999. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:33:27 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: Upgrading from 7.3-2 to 8.3: seeking advice Message-ID: <469b9d59$0$11940$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> schreef in bericht news:1184588597.321928.48360@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On 12 Jul, 00:45, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- > remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > I plan to upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 soon. Anything special I should > > keep in mind? > > > > I've lost track of the layered-product distributions. Since I like to > > bundle my upgrades, it would be nice to wait until the next > > layered-product distribution ships. When should that be? (The OS is > > not so critical since patches are available from ITRC and I haven't lost > > track of OS patches.) > > I doubt that you have anything that relies on mailboxes (i.e. MBA > devices) but there is a bug in both Alpha and Integrity at 8.3 where > the behaviour of DEVICE_NAMING is broken. Whatever you set it to, the > mailbox driver lets the numbers go above MBA9999. > Indeed, that issue does not affect my systems. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:52:19 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: <469ba1ba$0$3216$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Slor wrote: > Hello everyone. I have a pretty newbie question for the group - I recently > picked up a 3000-M600 with 64MB of RAM, and I'm wondering what the > preferred OpenVMS version would be for that machine. If I go too recent, > I'm concerned I might suffer performance issues, so any opinions from > experience with such as system would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, if increasing the RAM would help it be more suited for a specific OS > version, I can consider looking for more memory as well. > > Thanks! > It originally came out with 6.1 if I remember correctly. Any version later than that will run on it. The memory is on the lower side, but if you don't plan to run graphics nor heavy applications, it'll work sufficiently. If you can find memory to upgrade to 256MB or more, you can do a lot of things with it. You need to add memory in sets of eight (8) SIMMs. You'll find hardware documentation at http://vt100.net/manx VMS V8.3 will work fine depending on what you will do with the machine. It is not significantly more resource hog than the earlier versions. What you install and run affects the resources more than the basic O/S. You might have a 1GB system disk there, but 2GB or larger would be best. Newer 4GB or larger disks are faster and will help the machine to perform better, too. You cannot expect that the machine with its 175MHz will be a blazing speed demon, but for exploring VMS it is a nice piece of hardware. Btw. the case is one of the sturdiest I've seen. When using the latest version of VMS you also have the widest selection of features. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:23:15 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: <1184592195.706705.304040@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > > that can be used later on. > > Is this the one at ? > > If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > -- > Paul Sture it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build procedure) I can send you mine if you wish. Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:33:22 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:23:15 -0700, Pierre wrote: > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: >> In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > >> > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it >> > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols >> > that can be used later on. >> >> Is this the one at ? >> >> If so, how does one build it for VMS? >> >> -- >> Paul Sture > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > procedure) > I can send you mine if you wish. Why send it to sourceforge? Post it here, too. > > Pierre. > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:49:31 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: In article <1184592195.706705.304040@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Pierre wrote: > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > > In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > > > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > > > that can be used later on. > > > > Is this the one at ? > > > > If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > > > -- > > Paul Sture > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > procedure) > > I can send you mine if you wish. > Yes please. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:05:04 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:23:15 -0700, Pierre wrote: > > > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > >> In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > >> > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > >> > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > >> > that can be used later on. > >> > >> Is this the one at ? > >> > >> If so, how does one build it for VMS? > >> > >> -- > >> Paul Sture > > > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > > procedure) > > I can send you mine if you wish. > Why send it to sourceforge? Post it here, too. I think you mean "Why _not_ send it to sourceforge?" It sounds a good idea to me. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:24:14 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: <1184603054.240534.223850@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 3:33 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:23:15 -0700, Pierre wrote: > > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > >> In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > >> > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > >> > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > >> > that can be used later on. > > >> Is this the one at ? > > >> If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > >> -- > >> Paul Sture > > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > > procedure) > > I can send you mine if you wish. > > Why send it to sourceforge? Post it here, too. > > > > > Pierre. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com OK, I will exhume it and (a source needed to do the build too) and post it here :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:46:27 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: <1184604387.066543.150350@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 3:49 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <1184592195.706705.304...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Pierre wrote: > > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > > > > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > > > > that can be used later on. > > > > Is this the one at ? > > > > If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > > > -- > > > Paul Sture > > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > > procedure) > > > I can send you mine if you wish. > > Yes please. > > -- > Paul Sture here is my build.com procedure $ set process/parse=extended $ pipe del *.exe;* > nla0: 2> nla0: $ pipe del *.obj;* > nla0: 2> nla0: $ src = "xml," +- "binsert," +- "stack," +- "strdup," +- "trans," +- "xml_C14N," +- "xml_depyx," +- "xml_edit," +- "xml_elem," +- "xml_escape," +- "xml_format," +- "xml_ls," +- "xml_pyx," +- "xml_select," +- "xml_trans," +- "xml_validate," +- - "snprintf" $ $ i=0 $ loop: $ source = f$elem(i,",",src) $ if source.nes."," $ then $ options = "/names=(shortened,as_is)/float=IEEE/ IEEE_mode=denorm_results/warning=(disable=NOTCONSTQUAL)" $ options = options + "/NOOP/DEBUG" $ command = "cc''options' ''source'" $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" $ 'command $ i = i+1 $ goto loop $ endif $ link: $ command = "link/exe=xml.exe ''src',libxml_libs:libxslt.olb/ lib,libexslt.olb/lib,libxml.olb/lib" $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" $ 'command you may notice an extra source (snprintf.c) in the build procedure I took it from http://www.ijs.si/software/snprintf/ to be able to built xmlstarlet as my C compiler complained on some missing functions. I think that depend on the DECC version. I don't remember the "why" of the /IEEE_mode=denorm_result options :( ask me if you encounter troubles, I'll try to answer. Pierre. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.386 ************************