INFO-VAX Wed, 25 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 404 Contents: %C-F-SIGPIPE, broken pipe %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols AWK for I64 Converting old VMS Wordperfect files cpu availability for ovms 8.3 Itanium Re: create/term/detach error Re: create/term/detach error Re: datatrieve Re: datatrieve Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? 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Re: VAX in walled-in by accident Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Re: When expected? Re: XML for VMS Re: [JAVA V1.6] When expected? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:55:24 +0200 From: "Klaus-D. Bohn" Subject: %C-F-SIGPIPE, broken pipe Message-ID: <46a4cf80$0$25295$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de> Hello, i get in a running program the error message "%C-F-SIGPIPE, broken pipe". It was compiled on a OpenVMS Alpha 8.3 with the HP C V7.3-009. I couldn't get informations about this message. What does it means. And what can i do to solv this problem. Thank you for some hints. Klaus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:28:19 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been running for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much longer many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so what actually causes the error? Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum Unit Dynamic -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------- CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 Pages D Thus, no room for improvement here! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 17:06:25 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: <469A8C51.6090702@comcast.net> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been running > for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much longer > many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so > what actually causes the error? > > Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum Unit Dynamic > -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------- > CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 Pages D > > Thus, no room for improvement here! > How many symbols does your batch job define? Something like this might help: $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO WARNING_HANDLER .... $WARNING_HANDLER: $ SHOW SYMBOL /GLOBAL /ALL $ SHOW SYMBOL /LOCAL /ALL Worth a try?? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:23:18 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: <469ABA76.82ECA949@spam.comcast.net> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been running > for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much longer > many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so > what actually causes the error? > > Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum Unit Dynamic > -------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------- > CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 Pages D > > Thus, no room for improvement here! As others have pointed out, it could anything from resource fragmentation to resource "leakage": symbols get created and never get deleted. I have a process at work that I restart every day due to the latter issue. It was only ever intended to be a Q&D, though its been running as an essential part of our production environment for a couple of years now. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:16:45 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip > Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > > > > >I have a batch job which crashed due to this error. It had been running > >for 15 days. (It is a never-ending "loop" job.) I has run much longer > >many times. Once the process is started, nothing really changes, so > >what actually causes the error? > > > >Parameter Name Current Default Minimum Maximum Unit > >Dynamic > >-------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- > >------- > >CLISYMTBL 1024 512 20 1024 Pages > > D > > > >Thus, no room for improvement here! > > Phillip, > > One of the features I put in my SYMBOL utility was the capability to examine > the pool region from which DCL allocates space for symbols. I'd suggest you > use it to see what it going on. > > I would wager that after many days of creating and deleting DCL symbols, the > pool is too fragmented to allocate enough space to create some symbol and it > is this that is causing you to get the: > > %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols > > error message. How efficient is DELETE/SYMBOL/ALL at clearing up pool fragmentation? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:42:40 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > I should have included a sample output to show the pool statistics. Here it > is: > > $ SYMBOL/SHOW=(NOSYMBOLS,NOPROCEDURES,POOL_STATISTICS) To save y'all hassle, the version of SYMBOL available both at the Process VMS archive and on the Freeware 8.0 is not the latest and doesn't support this feature: $ SYMBOL/SHOW=(NOSYMBOLS,NOPROCEDURES,POOL_STATISTICS) %SYMBOL-W-NOVALU, value not allowed - remove value specification To get the latest version, visit: http://www.tmesis.com/symbol/ After a painless registration process, a PAK is emailed to you, and you are taken to the download page. PS. The above command requires PSWAPM and CMKRNL privileges. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >> I would wager that after many days of creating and deleting DCL symbols, the > >> pool is too fragmented to allocate enough space to create some symbol and it > >> is this that is causing you to get the: > > > >That sounds logical, since the job a) runs for long times (actually, it > >runs forever, unless it crashes, at which time it is resubmitted) and b) > >doesn't define many symbols. > > > >I suppose there is nothing to do but resubmit it when it crashes (this > >is already done automatically). > > > >Is it more likely to run into this problem on VAX or on ALPHA? > > It is all dependent upon the size of the pool (SYSGEN: CLISYMTBL). That's at the same, maximum, size on all nodes. > If I have the procedure still lying about and if you download SYMBOL, you > can see this in action. Let me know if it's of interest. Thanks, I'll look into it when I have time. However, I don't think the problem can be avoided, and the solution (automatic restart) is simple, so it has low priority now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:29:25 -0700 From: onidin Subject: AWK for I64 Message-ID: <1184840965.798577.7870@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Hello ! Is there something way to use AWK on i64 platform ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:37:34 -0000 From: Ken Robinson Subject: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: <1185385054.972914.59210@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're runing OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years old. Thanks in advance. Ken Robinson Baltimore, MD kenrbnsn (at) rbnsn (dot) com ken (at) tangible-tech (dot) com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:10:53 -0000 From: itanium Subject: cpu availability for ovms 8.3 Itanium Message-ID: <1184796653.736154.235630@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Hi I have a cluster with ovms 8.3 integrity rx262 2 cpus an 7 gb memory. I try execute a heavy process but I can saw only 100% cpu but looks like that another cpu was available. I runed autogen and tunning all cluster moni modes show me 2 cpus but only 100% used moni system cpu 100% used but not 110 o 115 etc etc. Some one knows if i need set any parameter o something for 2 cpus works and not only one..? thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:18:33 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: In article <46a4c69e$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > IMHO I'd make it 280 + 20% (336), so you have room for the next thing > > you install. > > The "next thing..." is probably the rest of DECwindows/MOTIF/CDE and then > the next product entered in startup (which doesn't complain itself, but > simply doesn't work, maybe). 336 is almost nothing in my eyes ;-) > > I would still recommend values in the UPPER hundreds (I use 1024) as a start. > (1024-3072 seems normal, but I've systems w/ GBLSECTIONS up to 32000 in use) Agreed. I just go straight for a minimum of 1024. > If all products are installed/configured/running and you begin to fine tune, > then remove the MIN_GBL_SECTIONS=1024 from MODPARAMS.DAT again and totally > rely on the AUTOGEN FEEDBACK mechanism for GBLSECTIONS (if you really > like)... > Er, I'm not sure about that one. Is GBLSECTIONS preserved across the AUTOGEN stuff done by a VMS upgrade when it has no entry in MODPARAMS:DAT? -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:12:22 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: create/term/detach error Message-ID: <396e5$46a4d3b9$cef8887a$24485@TEKSAVVY.COM> Bob Koehler wrote: > IMHO I'd make it 280 + 20% (336), so you have room for the next thing > you install. Just a note: If you plan on upgrading DECwindows, the upgrade will fail if decwindows is already running: It wil complain about not enough resources to run decwindows :-) Trick is to reboot with WINDOW_SYSTEM=0 and then SET HOST/LAT/DECNET/TELNET to the node to perform the descwidnows install. This way, the installation procedure will see all those free global sections normally used by itsefl and allow the installation. Very smart planning from the part of the engineers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 12:23:14 -0400 From: clarence Subject: Re: datatrieve Message-ID: I need to modify the fifth element of a field that is defined with an occurs clause. How do I do that? -- clarence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ clarence's Profile: http://techiegroups.com/member.php?userid=6231 View this thread: http://www.techiegroups.com/showthread.php?t=52780 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:05:54 -0400 From: clarence Subject: Re: datatrieve Message-ID: I need to be able to cross an RMS file that has a field with an occurs clause to another file in datatrieve. How do I do that? -- clarence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ clarence's Profile: http://techiegroups.com/member.php?userid=6231 View this thread: http://www.techiegroups.com/showthread.php?t=52780 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:12:22 -0000 From: Neil Lowden Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: <1185347542.731496.324500@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Jeff Thanks very much for this. I have contacted local HP Support. Best regards -Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:53:54 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: Neil Lowden wrote: > I came across odd behaviour with the debugger today under OpenVMS/I64 > V8.3. This turns out to have been a bug in DEBUG. DEBUG was not flushing the i-cache on Integrity systems. This bug only appeared under the following circumstances: 1. Stepping over routine calls in an image installed /SHARE; and 2. Running on a Itanium Montecito processor The failure symptom: STEP (by line, over a routine call) in the image installed /SHARE causes an unhandled exception, %SYSTEM-F-BREAK_ARCH. I've also heard of %SYSTEM-F-BREAK_SYS. Cure: Fixed DEBUG so it flushes the i-cache. If you experience this problem, contact HP support and reference WFM case 1216258317-121. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 01:57:24 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: Chris Scheers wrote: > It's been a long time since I looked (VMS V5 time-frame?), but IIRC, if > it is necessary to set a breakpoint in a global page, DEBUG makes a > private, process local copy of the page and sets the breakpoint there. Right. It still does. > I don't remember if DEBUG does this explicitly or if the creation of the > local copy is a side effect of changing the protection on the page. It's an explicit action by DEBUG. > I also don't remember what happens if the page is a global, writable > page. (The thought of such a page containing code is not comforting.) If the page is writable, then DEBUG can write a breakpoint. Others executing the same code would see the break, too. > Note that this was for the VAX. I have not checked the mechanism for > Alpha or Itanium. The same, though for Itanium there is one more trick we can use if all the others fail: hardware breakpoint registers. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:29:07 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: In article <1184621732.322687.144440@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Neil Lowden writes: > > >Hi VAXman > >Thanks for that, what you say makes perfect sense. Do you know if this >is documented anywhere? I had a late night last night -- a crisis at a site caused by a cluster setup over the weekend. I've corrected it and will do a bit of research on it and then, perhaps, put up a little explaination about it. Anyway, a bit more about debugging. I'm not certain if this is documented, it's more empirical from working with this stuff for 25+ years. Just a basic overview of the debugging process... A breakpoint, in VAX instruction terms, is the BPT instruction*. When a breakpoint is set, the debugger rewrites the instruction stream by plac- ing the BPT instruction at the appropriate place. When the program is then executed and encounters the BPT, an exception is signalled. The debugger is a "glorified" exception handler. It sees the exception and it matches its address with a table maintained to say "Hey, I have de- clared a breakpoint here" and it goes on to handle the rest of the de- bugging you are familiar with -- relating instruction to source, view- ing memory (variable) and register contents, etc. If another process was running the *exact* same copy of the program in memory, it would see a BPT and not know what to do with the exception. When you install the image /SHARE, you are sharing the image date (code) via global memory. The image code is not typically writeable so the debugger would need to make the code in the global page writeable. Depending upon the global page's characteristics, this may or may not be possible. Regardless, any process executing this code while you are setting breakpoints would likely stack dump when encountering the breakpoint. * The Alpha uses a PALcode to implement the BPT. I don't have the IA64 instruction manual before me but it too has a similar mechanism. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:02:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: <5fbc6$469ce852$cef8887a$1262@TEKSAVVY.COM> re: defining a process logical to point to your own copy of a shareable image. Some applications require that such logical be defined with /EXEC. Not sure how it is implemented (perhaps they get the shareable image in via lib$find_image_symbol and before that, they do their own restrictted logical name translation to ensure a non privileged user cannot subsititute the real image with his own evil image. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:18:34 +0200 From: Marc Van Dyck Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: Michael Moroney formulated on mardi : > A logical can be defined with trust > levels as well, /USER (logical deleted at image rundown), the default > /SUPERVISOR, and /EXEC. Or Kernel. The DCL command does not exist, but from user-written code and with the appropriate privilèges it works perfectly. Some OpenVMS components even use it. -- Marc Van Dyck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:14:34 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1184620314.826911.96920@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Neil Lowden writes: >> Anyone else come across this or know why this only happens when the >> shareable image is INSTALLed /SHARE. > > You need to modify the code to set a breakpoint. If it is shared, it > would wreak havoc with others using the shareable when they encountered > the modified "breakpoint" code/instruction. Bzzt. Wrong answer. Thanks for playing, though. DEBUG has automatic mechanisms in place that avoid this problem. One of them is to remap the page. On Integrity systems we have another trick up our sleeves: we can use a "hardware breakpoint register". Search for "IBR" in the Itanium Architecture manual, Vol 2. The breakpoint in fact worked as it should. There is another explanation for what's going wrong, which I describe in post -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:55:27 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > What about in (X)DELTA which I use most of the time. For XDELTA and DELTA the breakpoint commands are implemented with breakpoint instructions. On Alpha, stepping is also done with breakpoint instructions. On Integrity, stepping is implemented using the single-step trap (aka TBIT for those of you with VAX history under your belt). DELTA doesn't know how to work around page protection issues like DEBUG. For XDELTA it simply doesn't matter because it changes the protection to what it wants. :-) However, XDELTA won't touch a page that is paged out. Neither DELTA nor XDELTA take advantage of the Itanium hardware break registers. -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:15:31 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Debugging shareable images weirdness Message-ID: In article <1184620314.826911.96920@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Neil Lowden writes: > > >I came across odd behaviour with the debugger today under OpenVMS/I64 >V8.3. It distils to the following: > >COMPILE/DEBUG and LINK/DEBUG with an appropriate options file to >create a simplistic shareable image with one routine and INSTALL the >resulting image /SHARE. > >COMPILE/DEBUG and LINK/DEBUG with appropriate options a main program >against the above shareable image. The main program just calls the >routine defined in the shareable image. > >DEFINE the requisite logical name to reference the shareable image and >RUN the main program which brings up the debugger. Do a SET IMAGE and >SET MODULE for the shareable image and SET BREAK at the routine in the >shareable. Hit GO and wait for the breakpoint. After this point >multiple STEPs appear to do nothing -- source and line numbers don't >change in the debugger. Although do enough STEPs (in the dark) and >eventually you step out of the shareable back to the main program and >everything is back to normal. > >Now, don't install the shareable with /SHARE and repeat the above. The >STEPs through the shareable image behave as one would expect and show >line for line what's going on. > >Anyone else come across this or know why this only happens when the >shareable image is INSTALLed /SHARE. You need to modify the code to set a breakpoint. If it is shared, it would wreak havoc with others using the shareable when they encountered the modified "breakpoint" code/instruction. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 2007 18:23:17 GMT From: Jim Baker Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: On 12 Jul 2007, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG posted some news:6noli.15$Fp7.3@newsfe12.lga: > In article , Fujikawa > Yamamoto writes: >> >> >>On 11 Jul 2007, Rich Jordan posted some >>news:1184163280.342678.176190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >> >>> On Jul 10, 9:52 pm, Sue wrote: >>>> Dear Newsgroup, >>>> >>>> Please feel free to share with anyone and everyone. It would be >>>> nice to see the YouTube version get as many hits as the HP ETV >>>> copy. >>>> >>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMCHpUtJnEI >>>> >>>> There are over 4,600 views, 8 comments and most of them about VMS. >>>> >>>> Warm Regards, >>>> Sue >>> >>> >>> Sue, >>> thanks for the heads up. Can you let us know if there's any >>> way >>> to get a local copy of the video too? That is short of using a >>> fancy graphics card that lets you videotape/dvdrecord it (which I >>> don't have)? I'd love to get a copy on DVD. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >> >>http://www.vdownloader.es/ >> >>"VDownloader allows you to download videos from Youtube, Google Video, >>Metacafe, MySpace, DailyMotion, Pornotube, and many other similar >>sites, saving them in AVI or MPG format." > > I can do it right from Safari and then convert it. It's only Flash. > I don't see why you need special software to download it. What do you call that piece of crap "add-on-ware" you're using? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:35:23 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Disaster Proof is on YouTube Message-ID: <%p7pi.128$26.84@newsfe12.lga> In article , Jim Baker writes: > > >On 12 Jul 2007, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG posted some >news:6noli.15$Fp7.3@newsfe12.lga: > >> In article , Fujikawa >> Yamamoto writes: >>> >>> >>>On 11 Jul 2007, Rich Jordan posted some >>>news:1184163280.342678.176190@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> On Jul 10, 9:52 pm, Sue wrote: >>>>> Dear Newsgroup, >>>>> >>>>> Please feel free to share with anyone and everyone. It would be >>>>> nice to see the YouTube version get as many hits as the HP ETV >>>>> copy. >>>>> >>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=qMCHpUtJnEI >>>>> >>>>> There are over 4,600 views, 8 comments and most of them about VMS. >>>>> >>>>> Warm Regards, >>>>> Sue >>>> >>>> >>>> Sue, >>>> thanks for the heads up. Can you let us know if there's any >>>> way >>>> to get a local copy of the video too? That is short of using a >>>> fancy graphics card that lets you videotape/dvdrecord it (which I >>>> don't have)? I'd love to get a copy on DVD. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>> >>>http://www.vdownloader.es/ >>> >>>"VDownloader allows you to download videos from Youtube, Google Video, >>>Metacafe, MySpace, DailyMotion, Pornotube, and many other similar >>>sites, saving them in AVI or MPG format." >> >> I can do it right from Safari and then convert it. It's only Flash. >> I don't see why you need special software to download it. > >What do you call that piece of crap "add-on-ware" you're using? What are you talking about? I'm using Safari like your posting header shows you are. There's no crap "add-on-ware" needed. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:22:06 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: <24b16$469e4c87$cef8887a$24343@TEKSAVVY.COM> Syltrem wrote: > Hello all > > I have a disk where there are installed images. > One of the directories there got deleted (and that's fine) but the installed > images where not removed before deleting the directory.This creates some > problems: Tisk Tisk ! No chocolate for you today :-) ANA/DISK/REPAIR will restore those files to the [SYSLOST] directory. But whiles it runs, IO on that disk grinds to a halt. To "uninstall" the images, you can try: $INSTALL PURGE This ininstalls all installed files from that node, on all disks where there are installed images, global sections and what not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:26:33 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: <469ECBD9.2D0BEEF@spam.comcast.net> Syltrem wrote: > > Hello JF > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:24b16$469e4c87$cef8887a$24343@TEKSAVVY.COM... > > > > > Tisk Tisk ! No chocolate for you today :-) > > :-( > > > > > ANA/DISK/REPAIR will restore those files to the [SYSLOST] directory. But > > whiles it runs, IO on that disk grinds to a halt. > > > > It's not in [SYSLOST] as it was purposely deleted VERIFY (ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR) should create a new one and enter those files into it. That may or may not fix your problem. > And yes, I have to do this on Sundays only... or if I can't sleep at 3:00 AM > > > > > To "uninstall" the images, you can try: > > > > $INSTALL PURGE > > > > This ininstalls all installed files from that node, on all disks where > > there are installed images, global sections and what not. > > > > > > I did't know this. > But still, I cannot do it as all hell will break loose in my applications. Why? > I'd rather do a shutdown. Sounds good to me. Shutdown the app., do the INSTALL PURGE, the ANAL/DISK/REPAIR. Then, see what state things are in. A reboot wouldn't hurt, but not until you've done the above. In any case, I do hope you have a backup with these files on it somewhere... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:32:29 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: "Syltrem" wrote in message news:139sdtnpd7k22e2@corp.supernews.com... > Of course this is not a valid syntax: > $ install remo iva$exe:[23889,23,0]SVRMGR.EXE You can use SET PROC/PARSE=EXTENDED and it is. However, it appears that the installed image list is by name and not FIDs, so just using the name that it was installed under worked when I tried. Have a look at what INSTALL LIST thinks the file names are, not SHOW DEV/FILES. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:34:03 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: <139v84cm2khp646@corp.supernews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:b17f3$469f9821$cef8887a$26546@TEKSAVVY.COM... > P. Sture wrote: >> $ install add disk$alphasys:[temp]hello.exe/open/shared >> $ del dka0:*.*.*/lo %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.C;1 deleted >> (18 blocks) >> %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.EXE;1 deleted (18 blocks) >> %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.OBJ;1 deleted (18 blocks) >> %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 3 files deleted (54 blocks) > > > As I recall, he didn't delete the .EXE, he deleted TEMP.DIR Hi JF I deleted both, but that still works. See my other post ! Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:15:59 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Disk repair (soft / logical) Message-ID: In article <139v84cm2khp646@corp.supernews.com>, "Syltrem" wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:b17f3$469f9821$cef8887a$26546@TEKSAVVY.COM... > > P. Sture wrote: > >> $ install add disk$alphasys:[temp]hello.exe/open/shared > >> $ del dka0:*.*.*/lo %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.C;1 deleted > >> (18 blocks) > >> %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.EXE;1 deleted (18 blocks) > >> %DELETE-I-FILDEL, DKA0:HELLO.OBJ;1 deleted (18 blocks) > >> %DELETE-I-TOTAL, 3 files deleted (54 blocks) > > > > > > As I recall, he didn't delete the .EXE, he deleted TEMP.DIR > > Hi JF > I deleted both, but that still works. See my other post ! > In fact I also deleted the directory. I just forgot to paste that bit into my reply. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:40:13 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Message-ID: hobbyist system, spare, linux box, illegal vms box oh so many choices and none attached to a boat ! dt "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:469E88F5.1000403@comcast.net... > David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> In stock >> >> In excess of 70 systems >> >> Configuration special >> >> Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz >> 1GB Memory, Dual 10/100 Ethernet >> Front Access Disk Cage with Low Profile CDROM >> Dual 36GB 10KRPM Hot PLug Disk >> U160 Dual Channel SCSI Controller >> 4 PCI slots (one taken by U160 Ctr) >> Works with all power variants worldwide >> >> Only $2075 >> >> 1 Yr Warranty on everything ! >> > > January?????? > > You don't mention licenses. Those boxes are boat anchors without the > licenses! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:04:18 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Message-ID: In article <0_vni.16602$EZ1.12169@newsfe18.lga>, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 07/18/07 16:41, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > >> In stock > >> > >> In excess of 70 systems > >> > [snip] > >> > > > > January?????? > > > > You don't mention licenses. Those boxes are boat anchors without the > > licenses! > > Win 2000 beta !!! Wash your mouth out with soap and water! -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:34:22 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: DS10 Deal for the rest of January Message-ID: <139umhvoa6b3p4e@news.supernews.com> OK, FreeBSD ! :0) DT "Ron Johnson" wrote in message news:GHzni.58297$LE1.22706@newsfe13.lga... > > Don't forget FreeBSD !!!! > > On 07/18/07 18:40, David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> hobbyist system, spare, linux box, illegal vms box >> oh so many choices and none attached to a boat ! >> >> dt >> >> "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message >> news:469E88F5.1000403@comcast.net... >>> David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >>>> In stock >>>> >>>> In excess of 70 systems >>>> >>>> Configuration special >>>> >>>> Alphaserver DS10 466Mhz >>>> 1GB Memory, Dual 10/100 Ethernet >>>> Front Access Disk Cage with Low Profile CDROM >>>> Dual 36GB 10KRPM Hot PLug Disk >>>> U160 Dual Channel SCSI Controller >>>> 4 PCI slots (one taken by U160 Ctr) >>>> Works with all power variants worldwide >>>> >>>> Only $2075 >>>> >>>> 1 Yr Warranty on everything ! >>>> >>> January?????? >>> >>> You don't mention licenses. Those boxes are boat anchors without the >>> licenses! >>> >> >> > > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA > > Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. > Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:31:40 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? Message-ID: <1cbf1$46a6fcb2$cef8887a$20650@TEKSAVVY.COM> Paul Raulerson wrote: > I was under the impression AllInOne was more like an office software product > than anything remotely similar to ISPF. (Which has been named ISPF for a few > decades now... :) ALLIN1 provided a scriptable interface to FMS that was quite simple to write. And you can hook yor own applications if you want. It was far more than just an office product. Like ISPF, ALLIN1 provided a consistant look/feel and PF key functionality across different screens/panels/applications. ALLIN1 is still available for VAX and Alpha. But it was victim of Capellas/Fiorina's folly and not ported to IA64. FMS has been ported to IA64 though. (ALLIN1 is also known as Office Server). If you already have Cobol applications, you can probably just deploy FMS (Forms Management system) and just have your cobol programs call up the FMS forms. There is a default set of keys that give you basic functionality in FMS, but if you want more, then your application has to do it itself. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 03:05:41 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? Message-ID: On 07/25/07 02:31, JF Mezei wrote: > Paul Raulerson wrote: >> I was under the impression AllInOne was more like an office software >> product >> than anything remotely similar to ISPF. (Which has been named ISPF for >> a few >> decades now... :) > > > ALLIN1 provided a scriptable interface to FMS that was quite simple to > write. And you can hook yor own applications if you want. It was far > more than just an office product. > > Like ISPF, ALLIN1 provided a consistant look/feel and PF key > functionality across different screens/panels/applications. > > ALLIN1 is still available for VAX and Alpha. But it was victim of > Capellas/Fiorina's folly and not ported to IA64. FMS has been ported to > IA64 though. > > (ALLIN1 is also known as Office Server). > > If you already have Cobol applications, you can probably just deploy FMS > (Forms Management system) and just have your cobol programs call up the > FMS forms. > > There is a default set of keys that give you basic functionality in FMS, > but if you want more, then your application has to do it itself. Wouldn't DECforms be easier? Design the screen then attach "actions" to F- and PF- keys, and on-entry and on-exit actions to fields. I liked it. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:13:42 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Dynamically set VMS "environment" settings from a program? Message-ID: "Richard Maher" writes: >Hi Paul, >This from page 193: - >TT2$M_EDIT Terminal edit. This characteristic is set by the SET TERMINAL >command for all terminals that support ANSI-defined advanced >editing functions. >You $assign a channel to the terminal then call $qio io$_setmode to toggle >it and then $dassgn before exit to be neat. >I can't swear that the above works (and I'd do it for you if I wasn't trying >to prove a buffer overrun stack-corrupter with Multinet's io$_acpcontrol >inetacp$c_trans inetacp_func$c_gethostbyaddr ) but it sounds about right. Typically, you'd assign a channel, do a $QIO SENSEMODE to get the existing characteristics, copy the characteristics to another buffer while setting/clearing the desired bits (TT2$M_EDIT), do a $SETMODE of the new characteristics. Upon exit, do a $SETMODE of the first buffer to reset the original characteristics then deassign the channel. I've done this many times. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:16:23 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <469A7287.2D54D43F@spam.comcast.net> "R.A.Omond" wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > "P. Sture" wrote: > >>[snip] > >>While we are here, I just found an old message here of mine which claims > >>that EDT can't handle files with > 65K records. This could be the OP's > >>problem. > > > > Well, RMS would choke long before that. So, the point may be moot. > > Eh? I think you're parsing the "> 65K records" the wrong way. > Paul is meaning a file with more than 65,536 *records*, not a > file with records that are greater than 65,536 bytes long. Ah, yes. So I did... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <46964b3b$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" writes: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. Surely EDT exists on 8.3? Actually, I am fairly sure I have used it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:23:36 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article <46964b3b$0$10305$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" > writes: > > > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Surely EDT exists on 8.3? Actually, I am fairly sure I have used it. Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:34:01 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <0tudncHpA8Q3ygbbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com> P. Sture wrote: > Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the > V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). It would be better to check the data of EDTSHR.EXE. EDT.EXE is just a stub which invokes the shareable image. That said, if EDT.EXE was relinked for 8.3, chances are EDTSHR.EXE was also. John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:21:30 -0700 From: Big John Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184592090.962926.291290@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 15, 1:16 am, David J Dachtera wrote: > "P. Sture" wrote: > > > In article , > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On 07/13/07 13:37, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > > > Martin Krischik wrote: > > > >> Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > >>> And the lines are all less than 255 char. > > > > >> ROFL! How many years ago that this has been an issue on any editor I use. > > > >> Ahh the last I remember is EPM on OS/2 but with a 2499 character limit. > > > > > Strange how I almost never need to edit a file with more than 255 > > > > characters per line! Text files tend to max out at 132 characters since > > > > that's the most you can print per line on most printers. I suppose > > > > there are exceptions but I would not need to remove my shoes to count > > > > the number of such files I needed to edit. > > > > > Issues with the terminal driver might make editing such a file difficult > > > > even in cases where the editor supports it. > > > > EVE lets you SHIFT RIGHT and SHIFT LEFT to see extra-long lines. > > > I have these definitions in my EVEINI.EVE: > > > DEFINE KEY=GOLD/RIGHT SHIFT LEFT 8 > > DEFINE KEY=GOLD/LEFT SHIFT RIGHT 8 > > Is there a quick/easy help or something that shows all the available commands > that would be acceptable in an EVEINI.EVE file? > > ...or must one wade through the EVE/TPU doc.'s to find that? > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - A good many years ago, I did exactly this out of curiosity, while I was learning the ropes in TPU. I came out with the complete list of commands which I have added to the bottom of this posting. Note this was done more than 10 years ago, so it may not include any very modern ones (that I don't know about). If you fancy the effort, you can re-create the list yourself, by the following method. Since all the source is provided in sys$library, and all the eve commands can be recognised as they begin 'eve_' just run the command: $ search /nohead /out=eve_commands.lis /key=(pos:1,size:14) - sys$examples:*.tpu "procedure eve_" - then tidy it up, removing the phrase "procedure eve_", (and making all the comments line up nicely, if you're as sad as me), and you get what I have below. Note that this will only collect all the standard DEC provided commands. If you have customised EVE by adding your own commands, you will need to fish through all the source .tpu files of all the new code as well. Here is what I got: attach ! Attach to another process dcl ! Run DCL command and display results repeat ! Repeat next command spawn ! Spawn a subprocess shell ! Run shell command and display results change mode ! Change insert/overstrike mode set find whitespace ! Turn on space -> WS set find nowhitespace ! Turn off space -> WS find ! Find find next ! FIND NEXT command find selected ! Find current selection set find case exact ! make searches case exact set find case noexact ! make searches not case exact return ! The RETURN key procedure select ! SELECT select all ! SELECT ALL set pending delete ! Enable pending delete behavior set nopending delete ! set pending delete off restore selection ! pending delete "undo" restore box selection ! box pending delete "undo" remove ! REMOVE cut ! Synonym for REMOVE copy ! Synonym for STORE TEXT store text ! STORE TEXT insert here ! INSERT HERE paste ! Synonym for INSERT HERE tab ! TAB insert page break ! Insert a page break insert mode ! Change to insert mode overstrike mode ! Change to overstrike mode quote ! Insert special characters restore ! Restore erased line or word restore line ! Restore erased line restore word ! Restore erased word restore character ! Restore erased char reset ! RESET command set clipboard ! enable use of the clipboard set noclipboard ! disable use of the clipboard set function keys motif ! Set Motif function keys set function keys nomotif ! Motif function keys off move by page ! Move to next page break erase character ! Erase character under cursor erase line ! Erase from cursor to end of line forward ! Set buffer direction forward reverse ! Set buffer direction reverse go to ! Go to user-defined mark line ! Go to line number in buffer what line ! What line am I on? mark ! Mark current position move by word ! Move to start of next/prev word global replace ! = Replace All replace ! EVE Replace set cursor bound ! Define EVE bound cursor motion set cursor free ! Define EVE free cursor motion erase word ! Erase next word erase previous word ! Erase previous word erase start of line ! Erase to start of line end of line ! Move to end of the current line start of line ! Move to start of line delete ! Delete character to left of cursor change direction ! Change direction move by line ! Move to start of line move down ! Move down one row move left ! Move left one column move right ! Move right one column move up ! Move up one row next screen ! Scroll forward one screen previous screen ! Scroll backwards one screen bottom ! BOTTOM top ! TOP box select ! Start a box select box copy ! Box copy box cut ! Box cut command box cut overstrike ! Overstrike box cut command box cut insert ! Insert box cut command box paste ! Box paste command box paste overstrike ! Overstrike box paste command box paste insert ! Insert box paste command set box select ! Set box select mode set box noselect ! Disable box select mode set box pad ! Set overstrike-pad box select mode set box nopad ! Disable overstruck-pad box select mode set keypad edt ! Define EDT emulation keypad keys set keypad noedt ! Turn off edt emulation keypad define ! Synonym for DEFINE KEY define key ! User key definitions remember ! Bind learn sequence to key undefine ! Synonym for UNDEFINE KEY undefine key ! undefine a key definition save ! Resolve ambiguity EVE vs TPU save extended ! Resolve ambiguity EVE vs TPU extend tpu ! Synonym for extend EVE extend eve ! Compile buffer or procedures extend this ! Extend the procedure we're in extend ! EXT => EXT TH, EXT foo => EXT EVE extend all ! Synonym for EXTEND EVE * learn ! Learn a sequence of keys save extended tpu ! syn. for save extended eve save extended eve ! Save environment in section file set shift key ! Synonym for SET GOLD KEY set gold key ! Define a new GOLD key set noshift key ! Synonym for SET NOGOLD KEY set nogold key ! Remove a GOLD key tpu ! Execute a DECTPU command set keypad numeric ! Set keyapd to numeric set keypad vt100 ! Set keypad to VT100 save attributes ! interactive prompting for file set default command file ! for use in saving attributes set nodefault command file ! undefine default command file set default section file ! for use in saving attributes set nodefault section file ! undefine default section file set section file prompting ! allow settings saving section file set nosection file prompting ! for settings saving section file set exit attribute check ! check/prompt on modified attributes set noexit attribute check ! check/prompt on modified attributes spell ! Run SPELLing corrector over text open ! DECwindows synonym for GET FILE open selected ! GET FILE whose name is the selection new ! DECwindows synonym for BUFFER buffer ! Go to a buffer include file ! Include a file at current position exit ! Exit the editor get ! Get a file. get wildcarded files ! Get all files matching get file ! Get a file write file ! Write file save file ! DECwindows WRITE command save file as ! DECwindows write with name at file ! Execute a file of EVE commands set buffer ! Set Buffer previous buffer ! Previous user buffer next buffer ! Next user buffer quit ! Quit the editor recover buffer all ! Recover all journaled buffers recover ! Synonym for RECOVER BUFFER recover buffer ! Recover journaled buffer set journaling all ! Start journaling all buffers set journaling ! Start journaling a buffer set nojournaling all ! Stop journaling all buffers set nojournaling ! Stop journaling a buffer set file backup ! Backup ULTRIX output files set nofile backup ! Don't backup ULTRIX output files set backup control string ! Set ULTRIX backup control string show file backup ! Display ULTRIX file backup control string set wrap ! Set right margin action set nowrap ! Disable right margin action capitalize word ! Capitalize word center line ! Center line between margins using spaces fill paragraph ! Fill paragraph between margins using spaces fill range ! Fill the selected text range fill ! Fill select range or paragraph lowercase word ! Lowercase current word uppercase word ! Uppercase current word set left margin ! Set the left margin set right margin ! Set the right margin set tabs ! Set tabs set paragraph indent ! Set paragraph indent convert tabs ! Replace Tabs with spaces set fill tags set fill notags show key ! Quicky help on a key help ! Command line help save system attributes ! for menu entry of same name define menu entry ! Add a menu entry to EVE menu undefine menu entry ! Delete a menu entry from a menu set selection grab focus ! Primary selection follows focus set selection grab selection ! Primary selection follows selects recall ! Recall previous commands do ! The DO key procedure show buffers ! List all non-system buffers show system buffers ! List all system buffers delete buffer ! Delete a buffer by name show summary ! List TPU and EVE version etc. show ! Show each non-system buffer show defaults buffer ! Show default buffer top level wildcard find ! WILDCARD FIND set wildcard ultrix ! Use Ultrix regular expressions set wildcard vms ! Use normal wildcarding show wildcards ! Show the syntax one window ! One window next window ! Move cursor to the next window other window ! Synonym of NEXT WINDOW previous window ! Move cursor to the previous window split window ! Split current window into n windows two windows ! Synonym of split window delete window ! Delete current window enlarge window ! Enlarge current window shrink window ! Shrink current window shift left ! Shift window to left shift right ! Shift window to right set scroll margins ! Set window scroll margins refresh ! Refresh all windows set width ! Set width of all windows to 80/132 set scroll on ! Turn scrolling on set scroll off ! Turn off scrolling set scroll smooth ! Set smooth scrolling set scroll jump ! Set jump scrolling set keypad wps ! Define WPS emulation keypad keys set keypad nowps ! Remove WPS keypad keys restore sentence ! Restore sentence HTH. I would be curious to know if doing this procedure now on a modern 8.3 system (which I don't have access to) throws up any new commands. It would be nice to see what advancements have been made. - Cheers, John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:25:57 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <1184592090.962926.291290@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Big John wrote: > HTH. I would be curious to know if doing this procedure now on a > modern 8.3 system (which I don't have access to) throws up any new > commands. It would be nice to see what advancements have been made. I've just done a DIFFERENCES on the outputs from a V7.2-1 and a V8.3 system, with no changes. But you have left this off the bottom of your list: paginate ! Paginate I've put it up at -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:12:21 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: P. Sture wrote: > In article <0tudncHpA8Q3ygbbnZ2dnUVZ_uqvnZ2d@comcast.com>, > John Sauter wrote: > >> P. Sture wrote: >> >>> Yes, and having checked the date of EDT.EXE, it was distributed with the >>> V8.3 upgrade (i.e. not left over from a previous VMS version). >> It would be better to check the data of EDTSHR.EXE. EDT.EXE is just a >> stub which invokes the shareable image. That said, if EDT.EXE was >> relinked for 8.3, chances are EDTSHR.EXE was also. >> John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) > > Here's the lot on V8.3 Alpha :-) > [elided for brevity] That's quite interesting, thank you. Does the IIF file mean EDT on Alpha is still running under the VAX simulator? I thought they would have compiled it in native mode long since. The EDT source is quite portable since it was written to also run on the PDP-11. John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:23:08 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: Steve Davidson wrote: > Hi John! > > What do you think they would have used to test this port given that the > original test system *required* a PDP-11 attached to a serial line? > > -Steve Davidson (former EDT Project Leader/Maintainer of EDT V3.10 circa > 1989) Well, if I remember correctly, the PDP-11 was the system under test, not the driving system. Therefore, the native port could be tested using an Alpha with a serial line. Realistically, the test system is probably long gone, and would have to be re-implemented. If anyone is interested in doing this, I hope the tests were archived somewhere. Our testing theory was that we wrote a test for each positive statement about the product in the manual. That is, if the manual said that EDT does X, we would write a test that would pass if EDT did X, and fail if it did not. When all the tests passed, we started beta testing. Every bug reported from the field represented a problem not noticed by the test system, and so caused another test to be created. This test philosophy avoided one of the problems of automated test systems: having so many tests that the test system took forever to run, but you didn't know which ones were redundant. Anyhow, why should EDT running under a VAX simulator on an Alpha need any less testing than EDT compiled into native Alpha code? John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:00:39 GMT From: "Steve Davidson" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: John, Actually, the PDP-11 was the driving system to test the VAX version of EDT. I tried to get that to work but lost the 11/785 right in the middle of the process. If you remember, I was also the system manager of the DSSDEV cluster and the CC manager wanted to terminate the Field Service contracts on all the older hardware. EDT's test system was only one of the casualties of that plan. The printers all had to be converted to LAT which did not work very well in that environment - it took months to sort it all out. The question was more about the Alpha port and its testing than anything else. I had built the regression test system for TPU/EVE around DTM and then tried to get EDT to make use of it before I changed jobs. -Steve "John Sauter" wrote in message news:tKWdnbMLINWAqwHbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Steve Davidson wrote: > > Hi John! > > > > What do you think they would have used to test this port given that the > > original test system *required* a PDP-11 attached to a serial line? > > > > -Steve Davidson (former EDT Project Leader/Maintainer of EDT V3.10 circa > > 1989) > > Well, if I remember correctly, the PDP-11 was the system under test, not > the driving system. Therefore, the native port could be tested using an > Alpha with a serial line. Realistically, the test system is probably > long gone, and would have to be re-implemented. If anyone is interested > in doing this, I hope the tests were archived somewhere. > > Our testing theory was that we wrote a test for each positive statement > about the product in the manual. That is, if the manual said that EDT > does X, we would write a test that would pass if EDT did X, and fail if > it did not. When all the tests passed, we started beta testing. Every > bug reported from the field represented a problem not noticed by the > test system, and so caused another test to be created. This test > philosophy avoided one of the problems of automated test systems: having > so many tests that the test system took forever to run, but you didn't > know which ones were redundant. > > Anyhow, why should EDT running under a VAX simulator on an Alpha need > any less testing than EDT compiled into native Alpha code? > John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:59:35 -0700 From: William Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <1184749175.903468.311000@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 2:20 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > emacs has had EDT keybindings for a long, long time. But not all > keyboards have those keys. EDT is fine when you have a keyboard with a vt100-like keypad and a VMS (or RSX) system. The time to use emacs (or another editor with keypad bindings) is 1) when you connect to a VMS system from a terminal without a vt100-like keypad or 2) when you connect to a non-VMS system from a vt100-like terminal and your fingers are trained for the EDT keypad. Twenty years ago, I used a dual-ported vt100 clone with one port on a VAX-11/750 running VAX/VMS and the other port on a 16 MHz 386 running SCO Xenix, and having the same editor on both systems made life much easier. I have a photo of my CIT-101 at http://williambader.com/museum/cit101/cit101.html After testing a few open source editors, I ended up modifying a version of microemacs. Even then, gnu-emacs already had M-x edt- emulation-on but gnu-emacs was a little slow on those systems, and it was tricky to build and had lots of files to install, while microemacs was only a single 150 KB executable. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:22:32 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: Steve Davidson wrote: > John, > > Actually, the PDP-11 was the driving system to test the VAX version of EDT. > I tried to get that to work but lost the 11/785 right in the middle of the > process. If you remember, I was also the system manager of the DSSDEV > cluster and the CC manager wanted to terminate the Field Service contracts > on all the older hardware. EDT's test system was only one of the casualties > of that plan. The printers all had to be converted to LAT which did not > work very well in that environment - it took months to sort it all out. > > The question was more about the Alpha port and its testing than anything > else. I had built the regression test system for TPU/EVE around DTM and > then tried to get EDT to make use of it before I changed jobs. > > -Steve > My memory must be failing me in my old age. I seem to remember instrumenting EDT so it would write a record for each line read from and written to the terminal, then turning those records into a script for a test program, which we got from another group. It would play the recorded input lines and capture the output. The originally recorded output was also written to the capture file. There was then some software which read the capture file and fed the two output streams to two VT100 emulators. Whenever the system was waiting for input we would compare the screens, and any differences meant there was an error. Doing it this way meant we could improve the screen output efficiency and verify that the new code did not change the output. Surely all this was not done on a PDP-11? Perhaps the PDP-11 was the driver and the files came from, and were returned to, a VAX? Perhaps I am thinking of a different test system than the one you worked on? In any case, it is too bad that the EDT test system was sacrificed to an unwillingness to continue to support older hardware. It is my feeling that as long as customers are running the older hardware, the groups responsible for supporting the software running on it should keep copies of the older hardware to verify that updates to the software still work on it. John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 2007 07:20:03 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: In article <1184365457.905476.112540@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, William writes: > > I have a version of microemacs with source available as emacs.tar.bz2 > at http://williambader.com/pat/pat.html > It has keypad bindings similar to EDT on VAX/VMS. emacs has had EDT keybindings for a long, long time. But not all keyboards have those keys. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:48:14 GMT From: "Steve Davidson" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: John, I still have some of my notes about this. The jist was that a RSTS/E system running a BASIC (don't remember if it was BASIC-PLUS or BASIC-PLUS-2) program would send characters over a serial line to a VAX. The RSTS/E system acted as the human. In its time, well before DTM I might add, it was quite functional! EDT only had to worry about character cell terminals and not X11 which made this much easier. TPU/EVE was not so lucky and as such had to use DTM. -Steve "John Sauter" wrote in message news:Z9adnSaJwKxmagDbnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com... > Steve Davidson wrote: > > John, > > > > Actually, the PDP-11 was the driving system to test the VAX version of EDT. > > I tried to get that to work but lost the 11/785 right in the middle of the > > process. If you remember, I was also the system manager of the DSSDEV > > cluster and the CC manager wanted to terminate the Field Service contracts > > on all the older hardware. EDT's test system was only one of the casualties > > of that plan. The printers all had to be converted to LAT which did not > > work very well in that environment - it took months to sort it all out. > > > > The question was more about the Alpha port and its testing than anything > > else. I had built the regression test system for TPU/EVE around DTM and > > then tried to get EDT to make use of it before I changed jobs. > > > > -Steve > > > > My memory must be failing me in my old age. I seem to remember > instrumenting EDT so it would write a record for each line read from and > written to the terminal, then turning those records into a script for a > test program, which we got from another group. It would play the > recorded input lines and capture the output. The originally recorded > output was also written to the capture file. There was then some > software which read the capture file and fed the two output streams > to two VT100 emulators. Whenever the system was waiting for input > we would compare the screens, and any differences meant there was > an error. Doing it this way meant we could improve the screen output > efficiency and verify that the new code did not change the output. > > Surely all this was not done on a PDP-11? Perhaps the PDP-11 was the > driver and the files came from, and were returned to, a VAX? Perhaps > I am thinking of a different test system than the one you worked on? > > In any case, it is too bad that the EDT test system was sacrificed to > an unwillingness to continue to support older hardware. It is my > feeling that as long as customers are running the older hardware, > the groups responsible for supporting the software running on it should > keep copies of the older hardware to verify that updates to the > software still work on it. > John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:43:43 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <7JednfJk3q5FXAPbnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@comcast.com> Michael Moroney wrote: > > EDT automagically logs its commands to a .JOU file, what you are talking > about must be a variation of this. If your process gets killed somehow > you can recover (most of) your work with $ EDIT/EDT/RECOVER, and it's > kind of neat watching the cursor fly around redoing all your edits. > > I would guess that a substantial verification of EDT functionality > could be done by using a standard input and .JOU files, and compare > the resulting output file to a standard. If I remember correctly, the logged data was not the journal file, but based on it. The logged data was both the input (as the journal file records) and the output (for verifying repeatability). John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:25:31 +0200 From: "J.Jansen" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <469F03DB.8090403@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> Michael D. Ober wrote: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. > > I replaced my EDT years ago by the freeware program JED (in EDT mode) see : http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/ advantages : -Language (C,F90,HTML,PHP TEX,DCL etc..) sensitivity (colour highlighting and "pretty printing") -Also useable on non-VMS systems. And YES, in EDT mode it fully uses the keypad (including ) Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:25:57 +0200 From: "J.Jansen" Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: <469F03F5.2030006@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> Michael D. Ober wrote: > Is there a free or low cost replacement for EDT on VMS 8.3? Preferably one > that can be configured to use the same 10-key keypad (Gold) keys as EDT. > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. > > I replaced my EDT years ago by the freeware program JED (in EDT mode) see : http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/ advantages : -Language (C,F90,HTML,PHP TEX,DCL etc..) sensitivity (colour highlighting and "pretty printing") -Also useable on non-VMS systems. And YES, in EDT mode it fully uses the keypad (including ) Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:40:42 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: EDT Replacement Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > EVE lets you SHIFT RIGHT and SHIFT LEFT to see extra-long lines. So does EDT. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:35:07 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Farewell Paul Repacholi Message-ID: <13ac70oc9vivdf6@news.supernews.com> That is terrible news My condolencies to his family and friends How old was he? It is so hard to grasp the reality of mortality ! David wrote in message news:f7t3a8$ftq$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au... > Hello, > It is my sad duty to inform you all that our friend Paul Repacholi has > passed away. > Paul died in the wee hours of 15-JUL-2007 and was farewelled by family > and friends in a very dignified service today. > > Regards, > David Manchester. > > -- > " I don't get mad.... I get stabby. " > - William "Fat Tony" Williams. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:23:27 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HoffmanLabs: High-performance Interconnects, MPI? Message-ID: <93989$469abac2$cef8887a$13498@TEKSAVVY.COM> Main, Kerry wrote: > So, all these Java graduates are potential OpenVMS programmers. Simply copy the Java programs to OpenVMS Java environment and run. Stability, clustering and no monthly security patches to worry about. Nice picture. Please fix your microsoft software to abide by standards and insert CR-LF combinations at end of lines instead of end of paragraphs. Will VMS get a patch for the latest JAVA vulnerability ? If not, your argument still stands, but it really means "you don't install patches on VMS because the vulnerabilities don't get fixed like on other platforms". (Also, please learn to trim the quotes to only what is relevant) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 05:31:20 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS Message-ID: <1184589080.187945.201470@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On 12 Jul, 13:40, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > Please .... if you have an Itanium running VMS or soon will have in a > commerical environment we would love to hear from you. > > We are not trying to accrue contact names etc, just trying to get an idea of > how many users are transitioning or will transition to Itanium VMS > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dtur...@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W:http://www.islandco.com > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dtur...@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W:http://www.islandco.com We have customers migrating to Integrity servers from AlphaServers. Most of them have had Alphas that were running out of steam and the Integrity systems have given them the performance boost that they required. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:32:48 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: How to examine Errorlog on IA64? Message-ID: Subject says it all -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:39:25 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: How to examine Errorlog on IA64? Message-ID: <1185370765.799873.232080@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Tom, OpenVMS I64 includes ELV (Erro Log Viewer). Use ANAL/ERR/ELV TRANSLATE/ SINCE=... But this tool does not really help, as it can only translate very few errlog entry types. The best tool to use is SEA (System Event Analyzer), part of the WEBES tool. It can be downloaded from http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/ Once you've installed WEBES, point your WEB brower to http://vms-node-ip-adress:7902 and use this interface to look at OpenVMS I64 errlog entries. Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:38:56 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: How to examine Errorlog on IA64? Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:39:25 -0700, Volker Halle = wrote: > Tom, > > OpenVMS I64 includes ELV (Erro Log Viewer). Use ANAL/ERR/ELV TRANSLATE= / > SINCE=3D... > > But this tool does not really help, as it can only translate very few > errlog entry types. > > The best tool to use is SEA (System Event Analyzer), part of the WEBES= > tool. It can be downloaded from = > http://h18023.www1.hp.com/support/svctools/ > > Once you've installed WEBES, point your WEB brower to = > http://vms-node-ip-adress:7902 > and use this interface to look at OpenVMS I64 errlog entries. > > Volker. > Thanks. -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:46:01 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: IBM advertises mainframe OS - whither VMS? Message-ID: <7f659$46a648e6$cef89c18$25412@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free> Page 29 of the July 16, 2007 issue of Information Week It's a full-page ad for secure solutions. www.ibm.com/takebackcontrol/security Whither VMS? -- OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:39:38 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Internet2 Shibboleth on OpenVMS Message-ID: <139n9j5iqhoqv50@corp.supernews.com> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark Daniel [mailto:mark.daniel@vsm.com.au] >>>Sent: July 15, 2007 9:21 AM >>>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >>>Subject: Internet2 Shibboleth on OpenVMS >>> >>>Anyone tinkering with this? >>> >>> http://shibboleth.internet2.edu/ >>> >>>(And yes, I remember it took a decade to get Kerberos onto VMS :-) >> > > Shibboleth is being used by JANET (Joint Academic Network) in the UK for > accessing educational resources This would be for similar purposes within the pan-European NRENs David. > see > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/ > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/MemberList > > and > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/content/Documents/AvailableServices > > Middlesex University isn't currently using Shibboleth but we probably will > be in the future. > > > The main driver seems to be the library who provide access to online resource > databases (these are currently mainly provided through a system called ATHENS > for which there is a Shibboleth to Athens gateway see > > http://www.athensams.net/allresources/gatewayresources > > However there is pressure to move from Athens Authentication to > ukfederation/shibboleth authentication since Athens will become a chargeable > service after July 2008 > > see > > http://www.ukfederation.org.uk/library/uploads/Documents/overview.pdf > > ) > > > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > > >>Mark, >> >>As I suspect you know :-), there have been numerous attempts at providing m= >>ulti-vendor, multi-platform distributed security solutions over the years -= >>each with varying degrees of success. Web Service standards and offerings = >>continue to struggle big time with this as well. >> >>I could not agree more with the driver to do this. In fact, thx for the poi= >>nter as I will read up more on this. >> >>However, those involved in projects like this need to have some background = >>in order that they not repeat the many mistakes made in the past for these = >>types of distributed security initiatives. A review of why DCE and other in= >>itiatives like Microsoft's public program failed (I forget their code name)= >>are likely in order. Why did Kerberos not gain wider acceptance for exampl= >>e. >> >>There are also some very good commercial solutions with dedicated teams of = >>SW engineers working on them that would likely be considered as the competi= >>tion. (Yes, cheap is not a term for these solutions). >> >>At the US University I was at doing a DC and server optimization review, we= >>quit counting after about 10 in terms of the different user authentication= >>DB's in use at the University (HR out of syc with Banner out of sync with = >>Parking out of sync with facilities out of sync with individual Colleges us= >>ing different AD's like AFS, Microsoft AD etc). >> >>They were working to resolve it, but it was a real tough battle for them be= >>cause the real issues with distributed common solutions in general are not = >>technical, but rather data ownership issues. >> >>You get the same situation in most med to large companies today. >> >>This solution seems to take a federated approach, so it does sound promisin= >>g, but will need to review this some more. >> >>Bottom line is that distributed security solutions are just really, really = >>tough to do because security is people + process + technology and the techn= >>ology is the one that typically gets blamed when people or process issues f= >>ail. >> >>Many Cust's have totally given up on SSO (single sign on) as a theoretical = >>concept that will never really be reached in most environments. Hence, the = >>new buzz word often touted about is RSO (reduced sign-on) with a consolidat= >>ion of auth db's, but recognize there will continue to be some App's etc th= >>at will continue to use their own DB or repository for this. >> >> >>Regards >> >> >>Kerry Main >>Senior Consultant >>HP Services Canada >>Voice: 613-592-4660 >>Fax: 613-591-4477 >>kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >>(remove the DOT's and AT) >> >>OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. >> >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:45:51 -0700 From: john Doef Subject: joining encompass US Message-ID: <1184553951.183221.248940@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Hi, I'd like to join encompass US as an associate (Non member) but the site seems to be broken (page not found when I click on 'online form' link). Did somebody sucessfully join recently ? JD. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2007 07:52:19 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <5gn0quF3hi5b4U2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Actually, there are and have been more than enough troops to do the job. > What is lacking is permission. While I agree politics from both the White House and the Iraqi government habve interfered with the troops ability to carry out the mission, you cannot suppress 26 million armed people with 120,000 soldiers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:56:45 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > Why not? We have quite a few at work that were purchased specifically to > run Linux. How much software is available for Linux on that IA64 thing ? Wouldn't running Linux on a non-mainstream platform make it harder to get all the software you want ? I can understand building a one specifc application, (such as calculating PI to the infinity) which doesn't depend on a whole slew of middleware, and thus would not really matter on which platform it is built on. But when you build more modern applications, don't they mostly depend on a lot of middleware ? Do you have to build that middleware yourself from sources on that IA64 thing, or are there vendors such as RedHat, Suse etc which do provide pre=built easy to install middleware for IA64 ? If you replace IA64 with Alpha, do the answers to the above questions change ? What about Power ? Or is the 8086 the only mainstream architecture for which the applications are easily available and for the others, you need to build the apps yourself ? Would it be fair to say that Linux on IA64 has a greater breath of pre-built applications than Windows on IA64 ? or are they roughly the same ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:08:26 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: Ron Johnson wrote: > Just about *every* open source app that runs in 32-bit Linux also > runs in the PPC64, Alpha, x86-64 & IA64 Linux. What about stuff like the Adobe reader ? Isn't Oracle now available on Linux ? Does Oracle provide binaries for all CPU platforms ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:31:35 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On 07/16/07 00:08, JF Mezei wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> Just about *every* open source app that runs in 32-bit Linux also >> runs in the PPC64, Alpha, x86-64 & IA64 Linux. > > What about stuff like the Adobe reader ? The *Adobe* reader is only available for x86-32. Fortunately, though, Adobe has published the PDF file format, so there are a number of OSS pdf readers available for all Linux & *BSD platforms. I wouldn't be surprised if the older ones like xpdf also build on OpenVMS. > Isn't Oracle now available on > Linux ? Does Oracle provide binaries for all CPU platforms ? Look for yourself. No really, I'm not being snide. Oracle's web site is very well organized. http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/index.html According to this page, you can download *full* versions of 10g for these Linux platforms: s390 IA64 Power (not sure if 32-bit or 64-bit) x86-64 x86-32 Plus our OVMS/IA64 and OVMS/Alpha!!!! -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:42:41 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On 07/16/07 10:26, Keith Parris wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> Why run Linux on Itanium? > > Another example: some of our customers have found that with Oracle you > can often get the same or better performance with fewer cores with > Itanium than with x86[-64], for similar hardware cost. For example, in > one case a 6-core Itanium box gave the same or better performance for > Oracle than an 8-way x86[-64] box, and the difference of 2 cores in > Oracle license cost represents a big savings. Very interesting, and good to know. The tons of CPU cache probably is a big help. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:29:55 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > If you replace IA64 with Alpha, do the answers to the above questions > change ? One advantage IA64 has is a very-active (and apparently well-funded) user community organization promoting Linux on IA64, called Gelato (http://gelato.org/). They have user conferences a couple of times a year, in different parts of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:19:21 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: MUTEX's to be investigated Message-ID: <469ECA29.B5B8D3EB@spam.comcast.net> "hanblo {at} netscape.net" wrote: > > Hello, > I'm, running OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES47 with 4 CPUs and 16Gb of memory. > I have a problem (+) with processes, both application user processes > and > TCPIP$FTPC##### processes. > All of a sudden they go into MUTEX wait. Not too long, but long enough > for me > so see it and to get curious. The PCB EFWM mask says LNM$AQ_MUTEX. > > Is this something worth digging into? What are they waiting for and > why? > > Any comments would be great. MUTEX is normally a transitory state and is entirely normal. We saw similar issues when attempting to run the Legato Networker client V6.0.1D on OpenVMS V7.3-2. It was traced to locking activity as I recall, but that's not guaranteed to be accurate. If you have a support contract for VMS and the application code, those would be good avenues to pursue. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:14:59 -0700 From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net Subject: Re: MUTEX's to be investigated Message-ID: <1184858099.626775.68080@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 18, 4:19 am, "hanblo {at} netscape.net" wrote: > Hello, > I'm, running OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES47 with 4 CPUs and 16Gb of memory. > I have a problem (+) with processes, both application user processes > and > TCPIP$FTPC##### processes. > All of a sudden they go into MUTEX wait. Not too long, but long enough > for me > so see it and to get curious. The PCB EFWM mask says LNM$AQ_MUTEX. > This can also happen if the quotas for the TCPIP$FTP username are set to low if you have lots of simultaneous FTP jobs...out TQELM was set to low, so basically we set it at twice the limit of the FTP jobs allowed and our MWAITS went away. This was with TCPIP Services 5.1; this may have changed since then. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:33:51 +0200 From: Hans Blom Subject: Re: MUTEX's to be investigated Message-ID: <469fb8ee$0$4468$88260bb3@news.teranews.com> IanMiller wrote: > Do you have a lot of logical names ? > > Hello, yes, quite a few. Autogen quadrupled the LNMS$HASHTABLE parameter in the latest run. Regards Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:23:59 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > This one is of a personal nature/interest and, IMHO, should concern all. > > http://tmesis.com/pesky_fly.html > Mr Vaxman, may I ask if you run your own internet radio station, and if so, are we allowed to listen to it ? Some radio stations now prohibit listeners from oustide the USA due in part to that current ugliness with regards to royalties. Americans should pool their money and hire AlQueda to blow up RIAA and MPAA. Seems to me that these 2 organisations are shooting themselves in the gonads. They are blaming poor sales on MP3s and refusing to admit that they have been promopting the wrong type of noise for years and that this is the real reason people aren't interested in their product anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:05:20 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: from sshmucks to the real schmucks! Message-ID: <4uPni.26$fQ2.13@newsfe12.lga> In article , JF Mezei writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> This one is of a personal nature/interest and, IMHO, should concern all. >> >> http://tmesis.com/pesky_fly.html >> > >Mr Vaxman, may I ask if you run your own internet radio station, and if >so, are we allowed to listen to it ? The radio is Aural Moon. It's listed in the iTunes tuning pages under Classic Rock which is how I discovered it. The web site has link to the streams: http://www.auralmoon.com >Some radio stations now prohibit listeners from oustide the USA due in >part to that current ugliness with regards to royalties. This station has many international listeners that are still listening. I've met a few of them too that have travelled to see a gig here in the US recently. >Americans should pool their money and hire AlQueda to blow up RIAA and >MPAA. Seems to me that these 2 organisations are shooting themselves in >the gonads. :) :) :) The RIAA and Micro$haft! :) If they did so, the world would be calling AlQueda counter-terrorists! :) >They are blaming poor sales on MP3s and refusing to admit that they have >been promopting the wrong type of noise for years and that this is the >real reason people aren't interested in their product anymore. People turned to internet radio for an alternative from the commercial radio reverse peristaltic that the music industry has been vomiting up. Indie labels and artists recording, producing, distributing and selling their output themselves is hurting them. These record companies cheat the artists terribly. For example, and this was in the late '80s, a UK band I know well was signed to EMI. They made 15p on each album sold. The band is 5 members so they get 3p each. One album sold a million+ copies. That's only 30,000 GBP from their album for each. Not a great big salary. Weigh that against the album selling for about 10GBP. EMI made out quite well. Why doesn't the RIAA wake up and ask themselves, "why are all of these indies and bands doing well now that they have been cut out of the loop?" I don't for one minute believe that the RIAA exists, as it claims, to protect the artist. They exists to protect the RIAA. They're like the unions -- only the union fees are not being extorted from the union's members but from the public. They see the public like a big trough of muney -- like most politicians do when it comes to taxation. Eventually the public with not have enough fodder to shovel into those troughs. Anyway, like my page said, I don't care if people listen to internet radio but they should be concerned that there are forces trying to put limits on and seize control of the internet. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:07:20 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Re: OT: Their shamelessness knows no bounds. Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >Of personal interest... > > http://tmesis.com/seirea.html > >Please help. I don't suppose there's any way to email Senators and Reps? There's a little irony that savenetradio.org does not have that alternative, but instead urges concerned folks to *call* their legislators. :-) [...] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:10:53 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Their shamelessness knows no bounds. Message-ID: In article , bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>Of personal interest... >> >> http://tmesis.com/seirea.html >> >>Please help. > >I don't suppose there's any way to email Senators and Reps? There's a little >irony that savenetradio.org does not have that alternative, but instead urges >concerned folks to *call* their legislators. :-) There are ways to email your reps and I was certain that somewhere on the savenetradio.org site was a link to do so. I know I wrote to mine and I called them. I've even received a "written" snail mailed response from my Congressman Chris Smith. I believe the "calling" representatives was due to the 11th hour nature of shutting down internet radio. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:25:57 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Their shamelessness knows no bounds. Message-ID: <469D7A35.7090003@comcast.net> Brad Hamilton wrote: > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>Of personal interest... >> >> http://tmesis.com/seirea.html >> >>Please help. > > > I don't suppose there's any way to email Senators and Reps? There's a little > irony that savenetradio.org does not have that alternative, but instead urges > concerned folks to *call* their legislators. :-) > [...] I'm sure there's a way to E-mail legislators. A little work with Google might even turn up appropriate addresses for YOUR legislators. Don't expect too much however. Your legislators may never even see your well reasoned arguments. One of my uncles served five terms in the House of Representatives 1965-1975. I visited him once and saw how his mail was handled. He got more than he could possibly read himself. His staff opened and read the mail and maybe kept a for and against tally for the current "hot button" issues. Everybody who wrote got a polite and meaningless reply. He had something like a "DECWriter" with a paper tape reader and paper tapes for the standard "form letters". His staff were really good at forging his signature. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:34:49 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: "C.W.Holeman II" writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> emacs has had EDT keybindings for a long, long time. But not all >> keyboards have those keys. > > The keyboard keypad that I am using has a double height "+" key. Are > there keyboards that work on a PC that have the EDT keypad? I use an LK461 every day attached to a PC, using the PowerTerm emulator. Feels like a "real" VT to these hands! -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:17:00 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: On 07/18/07 07:01, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Ron Johnson writes: >> I'm referring to a PC-102 keyboard that accesses VMS using a >> terminal emulator. > > I'm refereing to a lenevo laptop and a Targus keypad. All the keys > are grey. > > Perhaps you'll let us know which of your keys are grey? All PCs > are different, and your post kind of hinges on that. I'll do you one better and show you the whole keyboard! http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/20070718-120430.jpg The same keys that are grey on my 6 year old Gateway keypad are a dark (but noticeably different) grey on my IBM black external keyboard (for use with a "company" IBM/Lenovo Stinkpad). -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:29:22 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: PC EDT keypad (was EDT Replacement) Message-ID: Michael Moroney wrote: > Doug Phillips writes: > > >>That keyboard still has the large [+] key problem (which was the OP's >>complaint.) AFAIK, only real LK's (or clones if they exist) have the >>"proper" key layout. > > > Which LK keyboards (and any clones) have the "proper" layout and the PC > connector, or a USB connector, other than the LK461, LK46W and LK462? > I need to replace an LK461 soon. LK463 is USB and comes with a USB->PS2 adapter (little purple plastic blob about 4x2x1 cm with a USB socket at one end and a PS2 plug on the other.) It came with my rx2620 which has a USB port, so I haven't tried using the PS2 adapter. It has the exact same key layout as my LK401 on my VT420 terminal. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:31:15 -0700 From: "flamingomn@hotmail.com" Subject: Show Expansion slots Message-ID: <1185298275.143511.120580@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> novice question here ... I have an EX45 Alpha and have been asked to find out how many available expansion slots it has. Can this be done from the command line or only with a physical inspection ? I believe that it can have 10 64-bit pci i/o expansion slots. Thanks - Ann ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:46:10 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Show Expansion slots Message-ID: <46A67322.2050001@comcast.net> IanMiller wrote: > ANAL/SYS > CLUE CONFIG > may give some hints > > IIRC The ES45 model 2 has 10 slots. > > And if it follows the pattern of the ES40, the model 1 will have about three slots! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:25:33 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: SRM isp1020_edit command Message-ID: <469b9b7f$0$11926$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Anton Shterenlikht" schreef in bericht news:20070716154706.GA89558@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk... > I've two printed SRM manuals but neither has any information > on the SRM isp1020_edit command. I can use it on ds10l (firmware 7.3-1) > but I've no idea what exactly it does. > > I did some searching and found that some people recommend running this > command in cases of unsupported SCSI adapters, or if one is installing > other OS on alpha. > > Does anybod know where this command is documented? > > thanks > anton > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 Anton, no idea where (or whether) the edit command is documented at all. Other than what you get when you type >>> help edit. But it behaves surprisingly like the old BASIC editors found on early PC-DOS systems. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:13:02 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: SRM isp1020_edit command Message-ID: <469d3061$0$17094$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Stephen Hoffman" schreef in bericht news:f7gevs$9qv$1@pyrite.mv.net... > Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > I've two printed SRM manuals but neither has any information > > on the SRM isp1020_edit command. I can use it on ds10l (firmware 7.3-1) > > but I've no idea what exactly it does. > > > > I did some searching and found that some people recommend running this > > command in cases of unsupported SCSI adapters, or if one is installing > > other OS on alpha. > > > > Does anybod know where this command is documented? > > This appears to be diagnostic-level stuff and clearly isn't documented > beyond what little is present in the srm help (AFAIK), and -- in general > -- I'd be massively surprised if this or any other srm command allowed a > arbitrary and otherwise unsupported SCSI controllers to operate any more > or less reliably. > > AFAICT, this particular srm command -- apparently either isp1020_edit or > isp_edit, likely based on the particular srm version in use -- is used > to reset the NVRAM on some Qlogic SCSI controllers, or to hex-dump the > NVRAM. If I had a confused Qlogic and didn't mind potentially frying > it, I might consider using this srm command (isp1020_edit -sd, isp_edit > -sd, apparently). Otherwise, probably not... > > Beyond its inclusion in the output of some of the srm help commands > shown in the manuals and a few scattered postings on the 'net, here is > one of the few references visible: > > http://h30097.www3.hp.com/docs/base_doc/DOCUMENTATION/HTML/AA-QTLMB-TE_html/relnotes3.html > > What is the real question here? Are you seeking to get an arbitrary > SCSI controller working with srm and with OpenVMS Alpha? That task > almost certainly does not involve the isp1020_edit or isp_edit tool... > > -- > www.HoffmanLabs.com > Services for OpenVMS Hoff, thanks for answering the question properly since I obviously (glaringly ?) missed its point :-( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:47:30 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: String manipulations Message-ID: Well, here is a simple minded DCL procedure (I hope this helps you pass the test): $ fruit = "" $ feelings = "" $ open/read/error=nofile fruits file1.dat $ open/write/error=badoutput mixed_fruits file2.dat $ $ fruit_loop: $ $ read/end_of_file=done/error=badread fruits basket $ $ b_length = f$length(basket) $ if b_length .eq. 0 then goto fruit_loop $ is_fruit = f$locate(":", basket) $ if is_fruit .ne. b_length $ then $ fruit = f$edit(f$extract(0, b_length-1, basket), "LOWERCASE") $ goto fruit_loop $ else $ is_feeling = f$locate("-", basket) $ if is_feeling .eq. b_length then goto fruit_loop $ feelings = f$extract(is_feeling+2, b_length, basket) $ write/error=badwrite mixed_fruits "''fruit'_''feelings'" $ endif $ goto fruit_loop $ $ nofile: $ write sys$output "file1.dat can't be opened for read" $ exit $ badread: $ write sys$output "file1.dat read error" $ close fruits $ exit $ badoutput: $ write sys$output "file2.dat can't be opened for write" $ close fruits $ exit $ badwrite: $ write sys$output "file2.dat write error" $ done: $ close fruits $ close mixed_fruits $ exit wrote in message news:1184702673.576481.183940@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Hi: Please, can you tell me how create a command procedure to get this file: vax> type file1 BANANAS: - are delicious - are expensives PINEAPPLES: - são saborosos - são deliciosos - são_excêntricos vax> and get this output: vax> type file2 bananas_are delicious bananas_are expensives pineapples_são saborosos pineapples_são deliciosos pineapples_são_excêntricos vax> Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:26:02 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: String manipulations Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> Please, can you tell me how create a command procedure to get this >> file: >> [...snip...] >> Thanks in advance. >> > Awwww...... > > Are you finding your homework a little too difficult? Actually, I view this as quite positive. At least *someone* *somewhere* is being set VMS stuff for homework! That's good :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:21:14 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: symlink to another device Message-ID: <1184602874.808452.247240@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 3:19 pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: Pierre > > > I created a symlink to another device > > > $ create foo.com/sym="$1$dka100:[test]foo.com") > > > but when I try to type it, I get an error instead of the content of > > the file > > > $ type foo.com > > %TYPE-W-OPENIN, error opening $1$DKA0:[SYSTEM]FOO.COM;1 as input > > -RMS-E-ACC, ACP file access failed > > -SYSTEM-F-FILNOTACC, file not accessed on channel > > > is it possible to do such a thing ? maybe via the path root and some > > mount point ? > > As the documentation says, > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/5763/5763pro_021.html#symlink_chap > > the C RTL is expecting symlink text to be a POSIX pathname, which yours > is not. I don't have a convenient test system at the moment, but you > might try using more slashes. For example, "/$1$dka100/test/foo.com". > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 documentation ? could you explain this word please ? ;-) well, the same paragraph talk about POSIX root and mnt/umnt commands so I suppose I have to create some kind of POSIX directory tree before using symlinks :-/ I will RTFM tonight :-) Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:40:31 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <07071810151508_202003EE@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: >From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) > >> But why would you like to know the user-ID? The IP-address from where the >> attack occurs is more interesting. > > Well, someone guessing SYSTEM passwords might be more of a threat >than someone guessing "root" passwords. > > I'd be happier if TCPIP always logged the IP address, instead of >"helping" me by translating it to a name when it thinks that it can. >For example: > >Event time: 17-JUL-2007 18:25:56.25 >PID: 20239451 >Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG1929 >Username: TCPIP$SSH >Remote node fullname: SSH_PASSWORD:S01060013460A776F.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET >Remote username: SSH_4492EA92 > I think you want TCPIP> disable service ssh TCPIP> set service ssh /log=noaddr TCPIP> enable service ssh From help in TCPIP services TCPIP> help set service/log SET SERVICE /LOG_OPTIONS /LOG_OPTIONS= [ [NO]ACCEPT ] [ [NO]ACTIVATE ] [ [NO]ADDRESS ] [ [NO]ALL ] [ [NO]CONNECT ] [ [NO]DEACTIVATE ] [ [NO]ERROR ] [ [NO]EXIT_CLEANUP ] [ [NO]LOGIN ] [ [NO]LOGOUT ] [ [NO]MODIFY ] [ [NO]REJECT ] Sets the specified logging options for the service you are configuring. The logging options have the following meanings: Option Meaning [NO]ACCEPT Message is logged when a request is accepted. [NO]ACTIVATE Message is logged when the service is activated. [NO]ADDRESS For auxiliary server messages and OpenVMS security events, the message displays the IP address as a host name. If host names are not relevant, HP recommends that you specify [NO]ADDRESS. [NO]ALL Messages are logged for all events. . . . David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >versus: > >Event time: 15-JUL-2007 12:00:10.13 >PID: 20236AEF >Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG1343 >Username: TCPIP$SSH >Remote node fullname: SSH_PASSWORD:208.176.66.8 >Remote username: SSH_D0B04208 > > >I gather that when the attack involves a real user name, you get one of >these: > >Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ALP, system id: 1119 >Auditable event: System UAF record modification >Event time: 17-JUL-2007 18:26:19.10 >PID: 20233058 >Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG2000 >Username: TCPIP$SSH >Process owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$SSH] >Image name: ALP$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]TCPIP$SSH_SSHD2.EXE >Object class name: FILE >Object name: SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT;1 >User record: GUEST >Flags: New: (none) > Original: (none) >Login failures: New: 939 > Original: 938 >Posix UID: -2 >Posix GID: -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) > >before this one: > >Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ALP, system id: 1119 >Auditable event: Network login failure >Event time: 17-JUL-2007 18:26:19.16 >PID: 20233058 >Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG2000 >Username: TCPIP$SSH >Remote node fullname: SSH_PASSWORD:S01060013460A776F.CG.SHAWCABLE.NET >Remote username: GUEST(LOCAL) >Status: %LOGIN-F-NOTVALID, user authorization failure > > > A few days ago, I got six or seven of these attacks in one day, but >the average is still around one to two per day. > >ALP $ tcpip show version > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 > on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 > >(Still contemplating an upgrade.) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:41:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <%gsni.14429$xe1.11690@newsfe12.lga> In article <469e2c9e$0$27829$9b536df3@news.fv.fi>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Uusim=E4ki?= writes: >{...snip...} > >How about changing the ssh port number? >When I changed it, I also got rid of the attackers. I may and I have on the non-VMS boxes but I'm not so concerned with the VMS boxes -- I'm fairly confident that they will not get in. I have a limit too on the number of SSH connections on my system. It's only for my use so if there is an attach, it is quickly squelched when the limit is reached. The processes die off quickly enough that I can get in when I need to. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:49:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <1184785605_1913@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> More ssh attacks. They are mostly a nuisance. However, logs full of >> OPCOM messages like this >> >> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 %%%%%%%%%%% >> Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ****** >> Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ******, system id: 1234 >> Auditable event: Network login >> Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 >> PID: 20200D5E >> Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG3304 >> Username: TCPIP$SSH >> Process owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$SSH] >> Image name: DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE >> Remote node id: 11223344 (aa.bbb) >> Remote node fullname: aa.bb.cc.dd >> Remote username: TCPIP$SSH >> Posix UID: -2 >> Posix GID: -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) >> >> %%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 18-JUL-2007 08:05:48.42 %%%%%%%%%%% >> Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ****** >> Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ******, system id: 1234 >> Auditable event: Network login failure >> Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:05:48.42 >> PID: 20200D5E >> Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG3304 >> Username: TCPIP$SSH >> Remote node fullname: SSH_PASSWORD:some.hackers.net >> Remote username: SSH_11223344 >> Status: %LOGIN-F-NOTVALID, user authorization failure >> >> would be much more useful if ONE of the above two logged messages would >> include the username the hacker is trying to use for access. I do not >> see it (the username under attack) in any of the SSH log files either. >> >> This is TCPIP services ssh, BTW. If anybody has a quick and dirty to get >> the username under attack, I'd appreciate it. HP, if you are listening, >> this would be a nice feature if it doesn't already exist (I didn't see a >> way get it when I perused the ssh doc). >> >> >VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. > >ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: > > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:07:59.43 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:08:00.01 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:08:00.72 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:08:01.43 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 admin >12-JUL-2007 01:08:02.26 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:02.91 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:03.56 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:04.17 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:04.89 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:05.72 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >12-JUL-2007 01:08:06.57 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >12-JUL-2007 01:08:07.43 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >12-JUL-2007 01:08:08.14 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >12-JUL-2007 01:08:08.65 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >12-JUL-2007 01:08:09.26 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >12-JUL-2007 01:08:09.88 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato From ssh? I don't think so... Here is what I see for both LOGFAIL and BREAKIN event types in my AUDIT logs: Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username ID Term 18-JUL-2007 07:55:26.57 BREAKIN NETWORK ****** TCPIP$SSH 20200D4F 18-JUL-2007 07:54:56.92 LOGFAIL NETWORK ****** TCPIP$SSH 20200D4A Using HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:07:11 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <469E8993.1070101@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > >VAXman- wrote: >> In article <1184785605_1913@sp12lax.superfeed.net>, Jeff Campbell writes: >> >>> >>>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> >>>>More ssh attacks. They are mostly a nuisance. However, logs full of >>>>OPCOM messages like this >>>> >>>>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 %%%%%%%%%%% >>>>Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ****** >>>>Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ******, system id: 1234 >>>>Auditable event: Network login >>>>Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:05:42.85 >>>>PID: 20200D5E >>>>Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG3304 >>>>Username: TCPIP$SSH >>>>Process owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$SSH] >>>>Image name: DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXE >>>>Remote node id: 11223344 (aa.bbb) >>>>Remote node fullname: aa.bb.cc.dd >>>>Remote username: TCPIP$SSH >>>>Posix UID: -2 >>>>Posix GID: -2 (%XFFFFFFFE) >>>> >>>>%%%%%%%%%%% OPCOM 18-JUL-2007 08:05:48.42 %%%%%%%%%%% >>>>Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on ****** >>>>Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on ******, system id: 1234 >>>>Auditable event: Network login failure >>>>Event time: 18-JUL-2007 08:05:48.42 >>>>PID: 20200D5E >>>>Process name: TCPIP$SS_BG3304 >>>>Username: TCPIP$SSH >>>>Remote node fullname: SSH_PASSWORD:some.hackers.net >>>>Remote username: SSH_11223344 >>>>Status: %LOGIN-F-NOTVALID, user authorization failure >>>> >>>>would be much more useful if ONE of the above two logged messages would >>>>include the username the hacker is trying to use for access. I do not >>>>see it (the username under attack) in any of the SSH log files either. >>>> >>>>This is TCPIP services ssh, BTW. If anybody has a quick and dirty to get >>>>the username under attack, I'd appreciate it. HP, if you are listening, >>>>this would be a nice feature if it doesn't already exist (I didn't see a >>>>way get it when I perused the ssh doc). >>>> >>>> >>> >>>VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. >>> >>>ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: >>> >>> Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:07:59.43 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:00.01 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:00.72 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:01.43 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 admin >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:02.26 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:02.91 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:03.56 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:04.17 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:04.89 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:05.72 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 guest >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:06.57 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:07.43 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:08.14 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:08.65 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:09.26 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >>>12-JUL-2007 01:08:09.88 BREAKIN NETWORK AS600 Administrato >> >> >> From ssh? I don't think so... Here is what I see for both LOGFAIL and >> BREAKIN event types in my AUDIT logs: >> >> Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username ID Term >> 18-JUL-2007 07:55:26.57 BREAKIN NETWORK ****** TCPIP$SSH 20200D4F >> >> 18-JUL-2007 07:54:56.92 LOGFAIL NETWORK ****** TCPIP$SSH 20200D4A >> >> >> >> Using HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 >> > >Don't you have a router and/or firewall that you can configure to block >access from the source IP or network? Of course. That's really not the issue. I can't completely block ssh as I use it when on-the-road and I never know what my IP address will be. I am just curious, as others have pointed out, whether or not it is a legit attack or some moron using Administrator or root. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:01:25 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Don't you have a router and/or firewall that you can configure to > block access from the source IP or network? Last time I took a look at these SSH attacks, no two sets of attacks came from the same place. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:44:51 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <469eb405@dnews.tpgi.com.au> Michael Moroney wrote: >[snipage] > > Does anyone know of a system service or $QIO that will do the above TCPIP > commands, or the equivalent of a $ SET AUDIT/LISTENER=mailbox and > $ SET AUDIT/NOLISTEN ? I especially want the latter in an exit handler, > because if the program doesn't shut down properly, the mailbox gets full > and the audit server gets upset and starts suspending all the processes! > I don't want anyone getting pissed off at me because this program hung > your system, even if it's the audit server at fault. If you try to log in > to fix it, the audit server suspends the process before you get a chance > to do anything! > In a previous life, I wrote a program that listened to audit server messages also. I came to the conclusion that the best way to do the SET AUDIT/NOLISTEN was to declare an exit handler to generate an OPCOM message (just to let people know what's going on) and then create a detached process to perform the SET AUDIT/NOLISTEN. For the SET AUDIT/LISTEN, I just have a command procedure to start the program as a detached process, and wait in a loop for the appropriate mailbox logical to appear. I'm unaware of any documented ways to perform these actions under program control. If you have access to the source listings however... HTH Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:07:14 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: Brad Hamilton wrote: >The more time the b****rds spend > trying to break into my system, the less time they have to break into some > other poor schmuck's system. A public service, I call it. :-) Then the owners of VMS should port SSH to VAX so that hobbysist could let the sshmucks try to login on all mighty microvax IIs :-) That would slow them down :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:02:59 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article <07071814223108_202003EE@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: Jeff Campbell > > > VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. > > > > ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: > > > > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin > > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin > > [...] > > Unless it doesn't: > > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username ID > Term > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------- > [...] > 17-JUL-2007 18:33:25.68 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH > 20239AB1 > 17-JUL-2007 18:33:33.01 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH > 202398B3 > [...] > > ALP $ tcpip show version > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 > on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 Maybe it doesn't have that information when it's logging. When this is true: if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ssh_server_debug") .nes. "" the SSH logfile contains an entry like this: debug[538975642]: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:1698: User 'frodo' doesn't exist, using bogus group "NO_SUCH_USER". -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:38:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > >In article <07071814223108_202003EE@antinode.org>, > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > >> From: Jeff Campbell >> >> > VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. >> > >> > ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: >> > >> > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >> > [...] >> >> Unless it doesn't: >> >> Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username ID >> Term >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ----------- >> [...] >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:25.68 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH >> 20239AB1 >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:33.01 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH >> 202398B3 >> [...] >> >> ALP $ tcpip show version >> >> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 >> on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 > >Maybe it doesn't have that information when it's logging. When this is >true: > > if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ssh_server_debug") .nes. "" > >the SSH logfile contains an entry like this: > >debug[538975642]: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:1698: User 'frodo' doesn't exist, using >bogus group "NO_SUCH_USER". Hey, that's a start! It would be nice in the OPCOM or AUDIT logs though. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:00:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <469F526A.6070404@comcast.net> P. Sture wrote: > In article , > bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) wrote: > > >>In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >>wrote: >>[...] >> >>>I >>>am just curious, as others have pointed out, whether or not it is a legit >>>attack or some moron using Administrator or root. >>> >> >>Most of the ssh "attacks" that I "suffer" seem to come from folks attempting >>to >>login as "SSH" (TCPware 5-7.2 on Alpha VMS 8.3); however, I'm confident >>enough >>that none of them will "break-in", and so I leave the normal SSH port "open", >>as kind of a "poor man's Teergrube". :-) The more time the b****rds spend >>trying to break into my system, the less time they have to break into some >>other poor schmuck's system. A public service, I call it. :-) >>[...] > > > Yes, I've taken that attitude sometimes as well. > > My problem is that I can hear the disk activity; such an attack results in a > recognizable rhythm, and I get fed up of that. > Consider getting a cheap router/firewall from Linksys, DLink, etc. Mine does not allow ANY incoming traffic that is not in response to some outgoing traffic! IOW, don't call me, I'll call you!! Just for grins, I look at the logs this thing keeps and see three to six attempts per minute around the clock! Most probes go to ports 1028 and 1029; I've never figured out what that's supposed to accomplish. I suppose it's not much help if you are trying to maintain a website but otherwise. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:22:54 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "P. Sture" > writes: > > > > > >In article <07071814223108_202003EE@antinode.org>, > > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > > > >> From: Jeff Campbell > >> > >> > VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. > >> > > >> > ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: > >> > > >> > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > --- > >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin > >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin > >> > [...] > >> > >> Unless it doesn't: > >> > >> Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username > >> ID > >> Term > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> --- > >> ----------- > >> [...] > >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:25.68 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH > >> 20239AB1 > >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:33.01 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH > >> 202398B3 > >> [...] > >> > >> ALP $ tcpip show version > >> > >> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 > >> on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 > > > >Maybe it doesn't have that information when it's logging. When this is > >true: > > > > if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ssh_server_debug") .nes. "" > > > >the SSH logfile contains an entry like this: > > > >debug[538975642]: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:1698: User 'frodo' doesn't exist, using > >bogus group "NO_SUCH_USER". > > Hey, that's a start! It would be nice in the OPCOM or AUDIT logs though. Careful though. When debugging is on, those logs are big. TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;902 (debugging switched off) 5/18 18-JUL-2007 17:14:25.28 TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;901 (with debugging) 1515/1530 18-JUL-2007 17:13:57.78 TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;900 1643/1656 18-JUL-2007 17:03:30.72 TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;899 1813/1818 18-JUL-2007 16:57:34.54 -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:33:30 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >wrote: > >> In article , "P. Sture" >> writes: >> > >> > >> >In article <07071814223108_202003EE@antinode.org>, >> > sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: >> > >> >> From: Jeff Campbell >> >> >> >> > VMS 7.3-1 Alpha TCPIP 5.3 ECO 4. >> >> > >> >> > ANAL/AUDI will show you the attempted user names. On my system I see: >> >> > >> >> > Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > --- >> >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.33 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >> >> > 12-JUL-2007 01:07:58.86 LOGFAIL NETWORK AS600 admin >> >> > [...] >> >> >> >> Unless it doesn't: >> >> >> >> Date / Time Type Subtype Node Username >> >> ID >> >> Term >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> --- >> >> ----------- >> >> [...] >> >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:25.68 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH >> >> 20239AB1 >> >> 17-JUL-2007 18:33:33.01 BREAKIN NETWORK ALP TCPIP$SSH >> >> 202398B3 >> >> [...] >> >> >> >> ALP $ tcpip show version >> >> >> >> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 >> >> on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org >> >> 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 >> >> Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 >> > >> >Maybe it doesn't have that information when it's logging. When this is >> >true: >> > >> > if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ssh_server_debug") .nes. "" >> > >> >the SSH logfile contains an entry like this: >> > >> >debug[538975642]: Sshd2/SSHD2.C:1698: User 'frodo' doesn't exist, using >> >bogus group "NO_SUCH_USER". >> >> Hey, that's a start! It would be nice in the OPCOM or AUDIT logs though. > >Careful though. When debugging is on, those logs are big. > >TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;902 (debugging switched off) > 5/18 18-JUL-2007 17:14:25.28 >TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;901 (with debugging) > 1515/1530 18-JUL-2007 17:13:57.78 >TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;900 > 1643/1656 18-JUL-2007 17:03:30.72 >TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG;899 > 1813/1818 18-JUL-2007 16:57:34.54 Well then, that's not such a great feature. Too bad there isn't some way to define which bebug items to log -- or maybe there is? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:03:51 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: <07072512035106_202003EE@antinode.org> Info-VAX recently disgorged this: From: David Webb > > I'd be happier if TCPIP always logged the IP address, instead of > >[...] > I think you want > > TCPIP> disable service ssh > TCPIP> set service ssh /log=noaddr > TCPIP> enable service ssh Perhaps. I'll see. I believe that all my services say "Log Opts: [...] Addr", which sure sounded like what I wanted. Thanks for the suggestion. > From help in TCPIP services > > TCPIP> help set service/log > SET > SERVICE > /LOG_OPTIONS > /LOG_OPTIONS= > [...] > [ [NO]ADDRESS ] > [...] > [NO]ADDRESS For auxiliary server messages and OpenVMS > security events, the message displays the > IP address as a host name. If host names are > not relevant, HP recommends that you specify > [NO]ADDRESS. > [...] This, by the way, ranks among the most lame explanations of anything which I have ever read. First, I would (and did) expect ADDRESS to give me the address, and NOADDRESS not to give me the address. Second, what does it mean to "specify [NO]ADDRESS"? Who writes this dreck? (It's the same with "HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 on an HP rx2600 (1.40GHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3" on td183, by the way.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:42:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >>>Just for grins, I look at the logs this thing keeps and see three to six >>>attempts per minute around the clock! Most probes go to ports 1028 and >>>1029; I've never figured out what that's supposed to accomplish. > >>IANA's list shows 1028 deprecated and 1029 is called "Solid Mux Server". >>I don't know why they'd look to probe these other than there may be some >>way to distinguish from the reponse whether or not there's some firewall >>in the mix. > >Ports 1024 and up are for ports used as the return port no. of outbound >calls as well as for unprivileged servers. It may be that an "out of >the box" Windoze system, when it boots, starts using ports starting at >1024 for outbound calls, and application X (someone mentioned Messenger) >happens to always get 1028 and/or 1029 when it eventually starts. The >hacker is targeting Application X's outbound connection. > >Having said that, I don't know the order that Windows uses port numbers, >and it may still may be some service. > >The IANA list entry probably means little. Microsoft often has an >attituude that standards are for everyone else. You think? Micro$hit's lack of adherence to standards has been making my life most difficult when adding web page features. I know there is one here who holds great disdain for Javascript -- Hi, Larry ;) -- but it is in widespread use. Firefox, Safari and myriad other browsers, at least newer releases thereof, adhere to the DOM 2 scripting standards, except for as you might guess Micro$hit's Internet Exploiter. At least I am seeing more and more web hits from Firefox. There's hope. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:07:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > If you had the perp's name and address, what could you do? Odds are > that he's in Peking or Singapore or is relaying through a zombie > somewhere. . . . This sort of shit hits the bit-bucket at my router and > I simply ignore it. You don't worry about script kiddies in asia. But you need to be able to quickly establish that you are dealing with a script kiddie instead of an ex employee trying various site specific accounts. And to do this, you really need to get the information on what the remote user is attempting to do. And the logging must be reliable and trustable enough that you are sure that they are trying to login under "Administrato" instead of "Administrator". Right now, I really don't have the confidence that VMS is giving me the full usernames they are trying for those services where the username is logged. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:07:33 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: these sshmucks are at it again... Message-ID: In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > >In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG >wrote: > >> In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com >> (Michael Moroney) writes: >> > >> > >> >"P. Sture" writes: >> > >> >>In article <469eb405@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Jim Duff >> >>wrote: >> > >> >>> I'm unaware of any documented ways to perform these actions under >> >>> program control. If you have access to the source listings however... >> >>> >> > >> >>I've just scanned the V8.3 System Services manual, but didn't find >> >>anything obvious. >> > >> >I have since been told that audit server commands such as SET AUDIT/LISTEN >> >are implemented as mailbox messages to a different audit server mailbox. >> >> I've always hated this ill-conceived interface. If the listener program >> dies and the listener mailbox is still defined, the AUDIT_SERVER will con- >> tinue to write to the mailbox until it fills; then, all hell breaks loose. > >In my experience all hell might break loose on the phones. The system >however tends to grind to a halt. If you aren't already logged on >somewhere with enough privilege, it's crash the system time :-( Exactly! Users get POed when they hit the carriage return at a prompt on a terminal or click on a button on a web form and have to wait for a few seconds. When the system grinds to a halt, there's mayhem and pan- demonium amongst the users and things can start to get ugly. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:04:41 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Message-ID: <1185375881.290259.264650@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 22, 8:26 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote on 07/20/2007 > 01:16:06 PM: > > > > > What copy command? If you really use copy then yes, this is caused by a > bug. > > As far as I know RMS now sets the 'rewind on close' bit for tapes too > (which > > is a mistake) causing a rewind to happen after every file. > > > It's even more fun that that, it does a PACKACK after each file (as I > found > > out when developing tape support for LDdriver. > > Please say that you have reported these behaviors. They seem "way not > trivial!" > > Dear Norm, Thank you very much. I have seen this forwarded to engineering. Sue > > > Jur. > > > Chuck Aaron wrote: > > > I just upgraded from 7.3-2 to 8.3 and a copy of large files > > > from disk to tape is now taking 1 hr and under 7.3-2 10min. > > > dlt 8000 is scsi connected directly to back of alpha ds25 > > > server. Same Machine. > > > > Thanks.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:04:51 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VAX in walled-in by accident Message-ID: <7JNni.34$sc1.26@newsfe12.lga> In article <469F538C.4713.39B7323@squayle.insight.rr.com>, "Stanley F. Quayle" writes: > > >We've heard this story over the years. I have an eyewitness. Check >out my blog at: > > http://www.stanq.com/blog/ I'd still like to see a photo of the unearthed or, in this case, unwalled VAX. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/sig.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:28:49 GMT From: "Steve Davidson" Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: <576ni.36614$G23.1262@newsreading01.news.tds.net> GEM didn't stand for anything. It came into being as a result of other names in use at the time. OPAL and PRISM come to mind... "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:1184686549.609123.60580@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > MIPS, in particular, became known as much for its compiler technology > as for its processor architectures. MIPS pursued an approach to > compiler systems involving language-specific "front ends" that convert > programs into one common intermediate encoded form. A common "back > end" then analyzes and optimizes the intermediate expression of the > program and generates actual machine instructions. A compiler system > composed of such front and back ends can be modified easily as > languages change, as another language must be supported, and as new > hardware implementations require different optimizations. > > Digital Equipment Corporation developed the well-respected GEM > compiler technology at a time when its line of VAX systems (CISC) was > complemented by a line of MIPS-based systems (RISC), before the Alpha > architecture (RISC) arrived. This GEM technology made it possible to > offer compatible language compilers for both VAX and Alpha systems, > thus facilitating a migration of customer applications from 32- to 64- > bit systems, especially those for the OpenVMS programming environment. > > > I've already killed an hour today and haven't been able to find out > what the letters in GEM mean? Anyone out there know? > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:31:57 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: In article <1184686549.609123.60580@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > I've already killed an hour today and haven't been able to find out > what the letters in GEM mean? Anyone out there know? What reason do you have to believe it is an acronym ? I thought it was conceived about the time people were code naming things according to precious stones. Opal ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:28:31 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: <469d1a24$0$16398$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:lQYKqMzTBQN8@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <1184686549.609123.60580@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil > Rieck writes: > >> I've already killed an hour today and haven't been able to find out >> what the letters in GEM mean? Anyone out there know? > > What reason do you have to believe it is an acronym ? > The letters were all upper case? > > I thought it was conceived about the time people were code naming things > according to precious stones. Opal ? That makes sense. But I'm glad I asked; the article referenced in my question was from a book titled "Itanium® Architecture for Programmers: Understanding 64-Bit Processors and EPIC Principles" which you can preview here: http://safari.oreilly.com/0131013726/ch11lev1sec1#snippet Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:19:24 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: "John Reagan" wrote in message news:f7j5dh$9b3$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:35:49 -0700, Neil Rieck >> wrote: > VCG was >> Digital's >> effort to do essentially the same and they did have at one time PL/I, >> Pascal, >> SCAN, C, Pearl and Coral66. > > VAX Pascal never used the VCG. V1 came from University of Washington and > was basically the CDC 6400 code generator "forced" to generate VAX code. > VAX Pascal V2 and beyond use a Digital-written code generated using a few > designs from CMU (PQCC and Cattell's (now at Sun) Maximal Munching > Method). Those designs were carried over and expanded into GEM's code > generator. > > VAXELN Pascal used the VCG. > > I found this an interesting read: http://www.valuesearchfunds.com/userFiles/Essay_Oct_2005.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:47:03 +0000 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: ----=_vm_0011_W8194019419_8437_1185382023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! I would have guessed it to be an acronym as well - it is always written as GEM, not as Gem. That usually indicates something special about the word, such as it being an Acronym. :) -Paul ----=_vm_0011_W8194019419_8437_1185382023 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: attachment From: "Larry Kilgallen" To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:31:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 24982 invoked by uid 78); 25 Jul 2007 15:56:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ns-mr29.netsolmail.com) (10.49.16.41) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Jul 2007 15:56:07 -0000 Received: from MVB.SAIC.COM (mvb.saic.com [198.151.12.104]) by ns-mr29.netsolmail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l6PFu4Ml031046 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:56:06 -0400 X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Organization: LJK Software Lines: 9 X-Trace: grandcanyon.binc.net 1184689880 20451 192.135.80.34 (17 Jul 2007 16:31:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@binc.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:31:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In article <1184686549.609123.60580@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > I've already killed an hour today and haven't been able to find out > what the letters in GEM mean? Anyone out there know? What reason do you have to believe it is an acronym ? I thought it was conceived about the time people were code naming things according to precious stones. Opal ? ----=_vm_0011_W8194019419_8437_1185382023-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:40:27 -0500 From: Slor Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: Despite all prevention efforts, Robert Deininger wrote in news:rdeininger-8E3557.21482623072007@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net .mx: > The 32 MB kit only has RAM chips on 1 side; the 64 MB kit uses the same > board, with chips on both sides. > > Similarly, the 128 MB kit has chips on 1 side; the 256 MB kit has > chips on both sides. > > In addition to DEC, a few other vendors made compatible memory. > Kingston and DataRAM at least. > > I find a few kits available on ebay now. I searched for MS15-CA, > MS15-DA, and so on. I see all kit sizes from 32 MB up to 256 MB. > Thanks for all the info. It's easier to seach eBay knowing the model numbers. :) -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:43:01 -0500 From: Slor Subject: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have a pretty newbie question for the group - I recently picked up a 3000-M600 with 64MB of RAM, and I'm wondering what the preferred OpenVMS version would be for that machine. If I go too recent, I'm concerned I might suffer performance issues, so any opinions from experience with such as system would be greatly appreciated. Also, if increasing the RAM would help it be more suited for a specific OS version, I can consider looking for more memory as well. Thanks! -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:29:23 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: <469b9c65$0$11943$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Slor" schreef in bericht news:Xns996F775E38D4Aemuslor@216.196.97.136... > Hello everyone. I have a pretty newbie question for the group - I recently > picked up a 3000-M600 with 64MB of RAM, and I'm wondering what the > preferred OpenVMS version would be for that machine. If I go too recent, > I'm concerned I might suffer performance issues, so any opinions from > experience with such as system would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, if increasing the RAM would help it be more suited for a specific OS > version, I can consider looking for more memory as well. > > Thanks! > > -- > James > http://www.e-host-direct.com > Reliable web hosting from $12/year. James, a 3000-600 will run most versions of VMS. There is no reason why you shouldn't run V8.3. Later versions of VMS are performance oriented and even a 3000-600 my actually benefit. Of course Digital's time honoured advice applies to you as well: "buy more memory":-) Other versions that are quite stable: V7.3-2 and V7.2 or V7.1. I run 7.3 on a Multia. It is usable, and stable. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:37:52 GMT From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: What OS version to run on a DEC 3000-M600 Message-ID: In article , Slor wrote: > Hello everyone. I have a pretty newbie question for the group - I recently > picked up a 3000-M600 with 64MB of RAM, and I'm wondering what the > preferred OpenVMS version would be for that machine. If I go too recent, > I'm concerned I might suffer performance issues, so any opinions from > experience with such as system would be greatly appreciated. > > Also, if increasing the RAM would help it be more suited for a specific OS > version, I can consider looking for more memory as well. > > Thanks! I tested V8.3 with this system, with less than 64 MB. IIRC, I started having some startup problems when I got a bit below 40 MB. I had DECnet-plus and TCPIP configured with 64 MB and they both worked. I don' believe I configured DECwindows. This was only a sanity check with minimum memory; I didn't run extensive tests, nor was I worrying about performance. 64 MB really is a practical minimum for V8.3. You'd do better with 128 MB or more. Even 96 MB would be a noticeable improvement over 64MB. 64 MB kits were plentiful back in the day, and shouldn't cost much. The 128 and 25 MB kits were considerably rarer, and will be more expensive when they appear in the used market. V7.3-2 was the last to support some of the high-end turbochannel graphics cards (via the Open3D layered product). Support for the base graphics cards is included in the OS and is still there in V8.3. -- Robert ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:12:29 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Message-ID: <469dd97d$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <469D65B3.B04872D2@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: >Neil Rieck wrote: >> >> What's up with Google - Groups today (07.07.17) ??? >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms >> It's now been unavailable for more than 6 hours. > >Available and current as of 19:57 US-CDT (00:58z) Not here. Das Archiv dieser Gruppe ist momentan nicht verfügbar Wir entschuldigen uns für eventuell entstandene Unannehmlichkeiten. Bitte versuchen Sie es in Kürze noch einmal. It is 18-JUL-2007 09:00 in Vienna (means MET-DST or nowadays CEDT - I don't know why MET got canned and only CET seems to be used now) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:32:21 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Message-ID: <469dedf8$0$16278$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "P. Sture" wrote in message news:paul.sture.nospam-66CDE4.09525418072007@mac.sture.ch... > In article <469dd97d$1@news.langstoeger.at>, [...snip...] > > I've just tried with the following, and all are accessible. > This is at 09:50 CET. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms > http://groups.google.at/group/comp.os.vms > http://groups.google.ch/group/comp.os.vms > http://groups.google.de/group/comp.os.vms > > And I was having great trouble doing a search on Saturday, entries > that should have been there weren't coming up. It was as if some > of the data had become "lost". > At 7:00 AM today (07.07.18) I was still having intermittent problems. It would work once then I'd get a server error. I tried this at least half a dozen times after that and experienced 100% failure. Since I was signed-in I decided to sign-out then back in now it works 100%. (does signing in link the old deja-news site back to goggle proper? p.s. lots of usenet messages from yesterday and today (at least up to 7:00 AM) are still missing from Google but are visible on other feeds like TerraNews.com. For example, the GEM messages are still missing Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:20:55 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Message-ID: <1184858455.206171.123570@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 17, 3:32 pm, "Neil Rieck" wrote: > What's up with Google - Groups today (07.07.17) ???http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms > It's now been unavailable for more than 6 hours. > Google admits to having a problem: Read the top thread. Heck, read as many as you want;-) Seems to be a few problems around the 'net. Fasthosts.co.uk has had outage problems, I see. Checking Speakeasy.net/speedtest on the 17th & 18th I had results that varied from full speed to extremely slow for the various servers. The deathrow problem was noted. Even the openvms.org's forums were down last I looked. Don't know how or if any of this is related, but it sure looks like there are some "Disaster Proof" sales opportunities around the net. (If this posts twice, sorry. If it doesn't post at all, oh well.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:35:42 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: What's up with Google - Groups today? Message-ID: In article <469d1af6$0$10194$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Neil Rieck" writes: > What's up with Google - Groups today (07.07.17) ??? > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms > It's now been unavailable for more than 6 hours. Simple---it's not running on a VMS cluster! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:57:30 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: When expected? Message-ID: <1185267450.444006.249470@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> I don't know if JAVA 1.6 is planned for Alpha. For VMS I64 JDK 6.0 is planned for late 2007. Java SE 6.0 on OpenVMS Integrity appears to be scheduled for 2008H2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:49:26 -0000 From: Pierre Subject: Re: XML for VMS Message-ID: <1184752166.920336.230850@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 17, 10:51 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <1184604387.066543.150...@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Pierre wrote: > > On Jul 16, 3:49 pm, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > In article <1184592195.706705.304...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Pierre wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 9:37 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > > > In article <1184363711.378066.42...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > > you may use xmlstarlet. it's built upon libxml2 and libxsl. we use it > > > > > > everyday from DCL to extract data from XML file and create DCL symbols > > > > > > that can be used later on. > > > > > > Is this the one at ? > > > > > > If so, how does one build it for VMS? > > > > > > -- > > > > > Paul Sture > > > > > it almost build out-of-the-box (you just have to write a build > > > > procedure) > > > > > I can send you mine if you wish. > > > > Yes please. > > > > -- > > > Paul Sture > > > here is my build.com procedure > > > $ set process/parse=extended > > $ pipe del *.exe;* > nla0: 2> nla0: > > $ pipe del *.obj;* > nla0: 2> nla0: > > $ src = "xml," +- > > "binsert," +- > > "stack," +- > > "strdup," +- > > "trans," +- > > "xml_C14N," +- > > "xml_depyx," +- > > "xml_edit," +- > > "xml_elem," +- > > "xml_escape," +- > > "xml_format," +- > > "xml_ls," +- > > "xml_pyx," +- > > "xml_select," +- > > "xml_trans," +- > > "xml_validate," +- > > - > > "snprintf" > > $ > > $ i=0 > > $ loop: > > $ source = f$elem(i,",",src) > > $ if source.nes."," > > $ then > > $ options = "/names=(shortened,as_is)/float=IEEE/ > > IEEE_mode=denorm_results/warning=(disable=NOTCONSTQUAL)" > > $ options = options + "/NOOP/DEBUG" > > $ command = "cc''options' ''source'" > > $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" > > $ 'command > > $ i = i+1 > > $ goto loop > > $ endif > > $ link: > > $ command = "link/exe=xml.exe ''src',libxml_libs:libxslt.olb/ > > lib,libexslt.olb/lib,libxml.olb/lib" > > $ write sys$output "$ ''command'" > > $ 'command > > > you may notice an extra source (snprintf.c) in the build procedure > > I took it fromhttp://www.ijs.si/software/snprintf/to be able to > > built xmlstarlet as my C compiler complained on some missing > > functions. I think that depend on the DECC version. > > I don't remember the "why" of the /IEEE_mode=denorm_result options :( > > > ask me if you encounter troubles, I'll try to answer. > > Did you have a config.h to go with that? > > For comparison, the libxml2 package comes with its own config.vms. > > -- > Paul Sture here's the one I use (hacked from config_h.in) -----< begin of config.h >----- /* Define if you have the ANSI C header files. */ #define STDC_HEADERS /* Define if you have the asctime function. */ #define HAVE_ASCTIME /* Define if you have the fprintf function. */ #define HAVE_FPRINTF /* Define if you have the ftime function. */ #define HAVE_FTIME /* Define if you have the gettimeofday function. */ #define HAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY /* Define if you have the gmtime function. */ #define HAVE_GMTIME /* Define if you have the localtime function. */ #define HAVE_LOCALTIME /* Define if you have the mktime function. */ #define HAVE_MKTIME /* Define if you have the printf function. */ #define HAVE_PRINTF /* Define if you have the snprintf function. */ #undef HAVE_SNPRINTF /* Define if you have the sprintf function. */ #undef HAVE_SPRINTF /* Define if you have the sscanf function. */ #define HAVE_SSCANF /* Define if you have the stat function. */ #define HAVE_STAT /* Define if you have the _stat function. */ #define HAVE__STAT /* Define if you have the strdup function. */ #define HAVE_STRDUP /* Define if you have the time function. */ #define HAVE_TIME /* Define if you have the vfprintf function. */ #define HAVE_VFPRINTF /* Define if you have the vsnprintf function. */ #define HAVE_VSNPRINTF /* Define if you have the vsprintf function. */ #define HAVE_VSPRINTF /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_ANSIDECL_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_FLOAT_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_FP_CLASS_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_IEEEFP_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #undef HAVE_MATH_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_NAN_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_STDARG_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_STDLIB_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_STRING_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #undef HAVE_SYS_STAT_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_SYS_TIMEB_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_SYS_TIME_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_TIME_H /* Define if you have the header file. */ #define HAVE_UNISTD_H /* Name of package */ #define PACKAGE "XMLStarlet for OpenVMS" /* Version number of package */ #define VERSION "1.0.1" /* Using the Win32 Socket implementation */ #undef _WINSOCKAPI_ /* Win32 Std C name mangling work-around */ #undef snprintf /* Win32 Std C name mangling work-around */ #undef vsnprintf -----< end of config.h >----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:21:30 -0700 From: urbancamo Subject: Re: [JAVA V1.6] When expected? Message-ID: <1185265290.845898.117570@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Does anybody perhaps know, when JAVA V1.6 for OpenVMS (Alpha) is expected? I was looking into support for 1.6 on Itanium because I was thinking of buying an RX2660 to run OpenVMS/Linux. Call me cynical, but it looks like Sun is less than enthusiast about supporting Itanium for java 6. This may be because Java appears to perform better on HP/ Itanium boxes rather than Sun boxes. I appreciate that it is down to HP to provide a version for Alpha/ Itanium under OpenVMS. However, I can believe that Sun could make this a difficult process if they do not provide their own version for Itanium. I'm happy to be corrected however. This is purely down to my own personal investigations. Regards, Mark ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.404 ************************