INFO-VAX Thu, 16 Aug 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 448 Contents: Re: Deathrow cluster down? Re: Deathrow cluster down? RE: Deathrow cluster down? RE: Deathrow cluster down? Re: Deathrow cluster down? Re: DS10L suddenly cannot get to the SRM prompt Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Re: How to detect duplicate auto-resubmiting batch job Re: HP still selling Alphas? Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? incoming SMTP 255 character wrap Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Re: Node & Port allocation classes on a new cluster Re: Proliant DL145 Unused available Re: VMS primer Which version of SSH? Re: Which version of SSH? RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Write locked file Re: Write locked file Re: Write locked file Re: Write locked file Re: Write locked file ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Aug 2007 05:59:30 -0500 From: burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org (Graham Burley) Subject: Re: Deathrow cluster down? Message-ID: <5cFxG7wUxSYq@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1187240755.868419.39290@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, "winston19842005@yahoo.com" writes: > Oops, sorry, you really should improve your security! ;) > Just kidding. But I was on last night under DEMO, and it is suspicious > that it went down after I was on... It's back up now, feel free to try again ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:15:12 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Deathrow cluster down? Message-ID: In article <1187240755.868419.39290@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, "winston19842005@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Aug 15, 1:00 pm, burley.not-t...@encompasserve-or-this.org (Graham > Burley) wrote: > > In article <1187191824.322695.122...@l22g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, > > "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: > > > > > IIRC the hardware is in a data center in Forida and the administrators > > > are in Europe or Great Britain. > > > > The hardware was in Florida, it's now in North Carolina. The owner > > is in Florida, with admin assists in Europe (Belgium & UK) and US. > > Oops, sorry, you really should improve your security! ;) > Just kidding. But I was on last night under DEMO, and it is suspicious > that it went down after I was on... So can we blame you for the downtime? :-) -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:49:21 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Deathrow cluster down? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] > Sent: August 16, 2007 1:23 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Deathrow cluster down? > > On 08/15/07 08:47, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > [snip] > > > > A linux box I'm hosting is certainly far more problematic. In fact, > about > > 15-20 hours into operation, its ethernet connection starts spewing > packet > > fragments at an alarming rate. The 'temporary' solution has been a > crontab > > entry to reboot the box every 12 hours. This same ethernet card > works like > > a dream when installed in a VMS machine. > > That's *highly* unusual. There are *many* net-facing Linux web and > ftp servers with 3-digit uptimes. > > -- mmm.. did you mean to say 3-digit uptimes between reboots? :-) Sorry, could not resist, but if these sites are keeping current with the 5-20 RH security patches released each and every month, I find this a tad hard to believe. Yes, not all require reboots, but a large number do. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:44:21 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: RE: Deathrow cluster down? Message-ID: <9pZwi.5$YA2.3@newsfe12.lga> In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] >> Sent: August 16, 2007 1:23 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Deathrow cluster down? >> >> On 08/15/07 08:47, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> [snip] >> > >> > A linux box I'm hosting is certainly far more problematic. In fact, >> about >> > 15-20 hours into operation, its ethernet connection starts spewing >> packet >> > fragments at an alarming rate. The 'temporary' solution has been a >> crontab >> > entry to reboot the box every 12 hours. This same ethernet card >> works like >> > a dream when installed in a VMS machine. >> >> That's *highly* unusual. There are *many* net-facing Linux web and >> ftp servers with 3-digit uptimes. >> >> -- > >mmm.. did you mean to say 3-digit uptimes between reboots? Well, I'm forcing reboots on the linux box every 12 hours which seems to be much better than 9:59. Can't do much in 10 mins. :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:46:29 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Deathrow cluster down? Message-ID: On 08/16/07 08:49, Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] >> Sent: August 16, 2007 1:23 AM [snip] >> That's *highly* unusual. There are *many* net-facing Linux web and >> ftp servers with 3-digit uptimes. >> >> -- > > mmm.. did you mean to say 3-digit uptimes between reboots? > > :-) > > Sorry, could not resist, but if these sites are keeping current with the > 5-20 RH security patches released each and every month, I find this a tad > hard to believe. > > Yes, not all require reboots, but a large number do. I don't know about RPM-based systems (Red Hat, SUSE, CentOS), but Debian-based systems (Debian & Ubuntu being the biggies) *only* needs to be rebooted when you update the kernel. *Everything* else (even libc) can be upgraded in-place, only restarting the necessary services. And even kernel bugs don't necessitate an upgrade (i.e., a firewire bug on a system without firewire, or a bug in a Realtek NIC driver on a system with Intel NICs). -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:07:58 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: DS10L suddenly cannot get to the SRM prompt Message-ID: <20070816160758.GB56319@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Wed, Aug 15, 2007 at 08:22:33AM -0700, Rich Jordan wrote: > On Aug 14, 8:12 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > RMC>reset > > > > Returning to COM port > > *** keyboard not plugged in... > > 1024 Meg of system memory > > probing hose 0, PCI > > probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 > > bus 0, slot 9 -- ewa -- DE500-BA Network Controller > > bus 0, slot 11 -- ewb -- DE500-BA Network Controller > > bus 0, slot 13 -- dqa -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE > > bus 0, slot 13 -- dqb -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE > > bus 0, slot 17 -- pka -- NCR 53C895 > > initializing GCT/FRU at 3ff40000 > > > > The system does not move beyond this point. > > > > Can this be some sort of hardware failure? > > First thing is to pull any PCI card to see if its causing problems. > If the PCI card is a SCSI adapter, then it or something attached to it > could cause a hang. Rich, thanks a lot. Yes, my problem does seem to be either a SCSI card or perhaps a flaky SCSI cable, which is a bit too long for that box, so I have to fold it several times, and it did press on the SCSI card and on the motherboard too much. I rerouted the cable in the box and checked it's attachments. All is well now. However, if the problem will appear again I might have to replace the cable, or card, or both. Finally, the issue of the com1 port does now appear as merely a coincidence, something having nothing to do with the SCSI issue. thank again anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:13:30 -0700 From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Message-ID: <1187244810.093091.124030@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 16, 2:54 am, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > What is the lowest model of Itanium machine that will run VMS? > > I am interested as a hobbyist, so the price has to be low. > I believe that some of the early Itanium I systems are reasonably > priced, and maybe also Itanium II machines. > > Or maybe I need to wait a little longer. > > -- glen Check out Hoff's site. He has a wealth of information. Specifically this page --> http://64.223.189.234/node/9 Most likely you'll want a ZX2000 which is a single processor workstation. The next step up is a ZX6000 workstation or a RX2620 server (they share the same basic box/internals) but they are a good bit more expensive, even on Ebay. John H. Reinhardt John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 07:43:15 -0400 From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Message-ID: In article <1187244810.093091.124030@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Aug 16, 2:54 am, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > > What is the lowest model of Itanium machine that will run VMS? > > > > I am interested as a hobbyist, so the price has to be low. > > I believe that some of the early Itanium I systems are reasonably > > priced, and maybe also Itanium II machines. > > > > Or maybe I need to wait a little longer. > > > > -- glen > > Check out Hoff's site. He has a wealth of information. Specifically > this page --> http://64.223.189.234/node/9 This page has a good overview, but there are a few errors in the details. > Most likely you'll want a ZX2000 which is a single processor > workstation. The next step up is a ZX6000 workstation or a RX2620 > server (they share the same basic box/internals) but they are a good > bit more expensive, even on Ebay. rx2600, not rx2620, is the server system that shares internals with zx6000. rx2620 is a full generation ahead of rx2600; it has a different motherboard and a much newer firmware code base. It also has updated power and cooling to handle the higher-power CPUs and memory. The base rx2620 system is much louder than the rx2600. (The office-friendly rx2620 is quieter than the rx2600.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:20:00 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Hobby Itanium to run VMS? Message-ID: <1187266800.207373.31780@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Robert Deininger wrote: > In article <1187244810.093091.124030@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: > > > On Aug 16, 2:54 am, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > > > What is the lowest model of Itanium machine that will run VMS? > > > > > > I am interested as a hobbyist, so the price has to be low. > > > I believe that some of the early Itanium I systems are reasonably > > > priced, and maybe also Itanium II machines. > > > > > > Or maybe I need to wait a little longer. > > > > > > -- glen > > > > Check out Hoff's site. He has a wealth of information. Specifically > > this page --> http://64.223.189.234/node/9 > > This page has a good overview, but there are a few errors in the details. > > > Most likely you'll want a ZX2000 which is a single processor > > workstation. The next step up is a ZX6000 workstation or a RX2620 > > server (they share the same basic box/internals) but they are a good > > bit more expensive, even on Ebay. > > rx2600, not rx2620, is the server system that shares internals with > zx6000. > > rx2620 is a full generation ahead of rx2600; it has a different > motherboard and a much newer firmware code base. It also has updated > power and cooling to handle the higher-power CPUs and memory. The base > rx2620 system is much louder than the rx2600. (The office-friendly > rx2620 is quieter than the rx2600.) I'd probably be looking at an rx2660 if I had deeper pockets. There's an offer in the UK at the moment of an rx2660 with 4GB and a single dual core processor for =A32660+VAT. Put a hobbyist license on and you're good to go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:16:37 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: How to detect duplicate auto-resubmiting batch job Message-ID: Not a method of detecting multiple copies of a job, but if you set a /JOB_LIMIT=1 on the queue it's executing on, you can prevent more than one copy from running at the same time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:12:40 -0400 From: "Brad McCusker" Subject: Re: HP still selling Alphas? Message-ID: <2L_wi.11$TN4.8@newsfe06.lga> "Robert Deininger" wrote in message news:rdeininger-E4D476.21430506082007@032-478-847.area7.spcsdns.net... > In article <1186425119.441404.278380@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > tadamsmar wrote: > >> I thought they quit, but the HP configuration tool still allows you to >> spec them. >> >> I guess they stopped building them but still sell them? > > Still building them . Building them, perhaps. I have no specific knowledge on that. >and selling them As refurbished equipment. Per the General Manager of the Alpha Division (or whatever her role is these days) and the Alpha Product Manager, the Alphas you buy from HP will be sold under a refurb program. They may in fact be new, but they will be sold as refurbished. >If you want new Alpha systems, > just contact HP and ask for them. > You have no idea how difficult that is. You'd have to be on the outside to appreciate just how ridiculous that statement is. I had to draw on personal relationships with the two people mentioned above to get HP to even consider selling a *new* alpha to a customer we were working with (and I mean new, sold as new, not new sold as refurbished). And, it hasn't actually happened yet, so, I don't have proof that it can be done. If the local reseller hasn't stockpiled Alphas, it is damned near impossible to purchase one. > The end-of-life status means that HP can't promise to provide every > possible system, configuration, or option. But almost everything is > still available in reasonable quantities. Again, as refurbished. > > The longer you wait, the less likely you'll be able to get exactly what > you need. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:48:16 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? Message-ID: <1187257696.296184.206980@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Spud Demon wrote: > JF Mezei writes in article dated Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:16:25 -0500: > >Alpha 8.3, TCPIP Services 5.6 > > I'm having the same problem on: > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 2 > on a Digital Personal WorkStation running OpenVMS V7.3-1 > > [snip] > >But when accessed via IMAP, the source is: > > > >> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 07 15:36:26 -0500 > >> From: automan_2...@canpar.com > >> X-VMS-From: SMTP%"automan_2...@canpar.com" > >> Subject: CANPAR SHIPMENT NOTIFICATION > >> To: jfme...@vixenation.ca > >> Message-Id: <2007021215362665automan_2...@canpar.com> > >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> Content-Type: text/plain > >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable > >> > >> Return-Path: automan_2...@canpar.com > >> Received: from firewall.canpar.onramp.ca (204.225.91.42) > >> by chain.vaxination.ca (V5.6-9, OpenVMS V8.3 Alpha); > >> Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:36:23 -0500 (EST) > >etc. > > This is especially bad when the generated Content-Transfer-Encoding: header > does not match the original. > > I'm having the problem solely on messages which came through a Micros**t > Exchange server. But some of them come through OK. > > --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net I think you'll want to look at the IMAP configuration in the TCP/IP documentation set. IIRC, there are setting for IMAP synthesizing the header on the message if it doesn't see all of the details that it would normally want in the header or if it's malformed. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:51:15 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? Message-ID: <1187257875.343693.214940@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Spud Demon wrote: > > JF Mezei writes in article dated Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:16:25 -0500: > > >Alpha 8.3, TCPIP Services 5.6 > > > > I'm having the same problem on: > > > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 2 > > on a Digital Personal WorkStation running OpenVMS V7.3-1 > > > > [snip] > > >But when accessed via IMAP, the source is: > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 07 15:36:26 -0500 > > >> From: automan_2...@canpar.com > > >> X-VMS-From: SMTP%"automan_2...@canpar.com" > > >> Subject: CANPAR SHIPMENT NOTIFICATION > > >> To: jfme...@vixenation.ca > > >> Message-Id: <2007021215362665automan_2...@canpar.com> > > >> MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >> Content-Type: text/plain > > >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable > > >> > > >> Return-Path: automan_2...@canpar.com > > >> Received: from firewall.canpar.onramp.ca (204.225.91.42) > > >> by chain.vaxination.ca (V5.6-9, OpenVMS V8.3 Alpha); > > >> Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:36:23 -0500 (EST) > > >etc. > > > > This is especially bad when the generated Content-Transfer-Encoding: header > > does not match the original. > > > > I'm having the problem solely on messages which came through a Micros**t > > Exchange server. But some of them come through OK. > > > > --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net > > I think you'll want to look at the IMAP configuration in the TCP/IP > documentation set. IIRC, there are setting for IMAP synthesizing the > header on the message if it doesn't see all of the details that it > would normally want in the header or if it's malformed. > > Steve Probably bad form to reply to one of your own postings, but it occurred to me just after I'd clicked post reply that IMAP has to be able to synthesize headers on VMS because native VMSmail doesn't provide RFC822 headers - itonly gives VMSmail ones. They'd be no use to a Microsloth mail client so the IMAP server has to create the "supported" ones. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2007 13:19:18 GMT From: spud_demon@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Spud Demon) Subject: Re: IMAP synthesized header. Why ? Message-ID: <46c44ed6$0$500$815e3792@news.qwest.net> writes in article <1187257875.343693.214940@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> dated Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:51:15 -0700: > >etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> I think you'll want to look at the IMAP configuration in the TCP/IP >> documentation set. IIRC, there are setting for IMAP synthesizing the >> header on the message if it doesn't see all of the details that it >> would normally want in the header or if it's malformed. >> >> Steve > >Probably bad form to reply to one of your own postings, but it >occurred to me just after I'd clicked post reply that IMAP has to be >able to synthesize headers on VMS because native VMSmail doesn't >provide RFC822 headers - itonly gives VMSmail ones. They'd be no use >to a Microsloth mail client so the IMAP server has to create the >"supported" ones. Well yes I realize that the literal answer to JF's original "why?" question was that the IMAP server couldn't figure it out from the existing mail, but what he really meant was why couldn't it figure it out. And I'm more concerned with how to fix it. Anyway, I did RTFM as you suggested and made some changes based on that. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_043.html#imap_major_mimemail In SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$IMAP]TCPIP$IMAP.CONF, I added the line: Ignore-Mail11-Headers:True I also did a "def/sys/exec TCPIP$SMTP_JACKET_LOCAL 1", then restarted SMTP and IMAP. The old messages still appear to be hosed, but so-far-so-good on the new ones. That would mean that the SMTP logical is the key. I'll try to get back in a week with more concrete results. (Ignoring the Mail11 headers bothers me a little because I trust the timestamps on my server more than the incoming ones.) --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2007 13:49:58 GMT From: spud_demon@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Spud Demon) Subject: incoming SMTP 255 character wrap Message-ID: <46c45606$0$500$815e3792@news.qwest.net> spud_demon@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Spud Demon) writes in article <46c44ed6$0$500$815e3792@news.qwest.net> dated 16 Aug 2007 13:19:18 GMT: >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_043.html#imap_major_mimemail > >In SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$IMAP]TCPIP$IMAP.CONF, I added the line: > >Ignore-Mail11-Headers:True > >I also did a "def/sys/exec TCPIP$SMTP_JACKET_LOCAL 1", then restarted SMTP >and IMAP. > >The old messages still appear to be hosed, but so-far-so-good on the new >ones. That would mean that the SMTP logical is the key. I'll try to get >back in a week with more concrete results. > >(Ignoring the Mail11 headers bothers me a little because I trust the >timestamps on my server more than the incoming ones.) Now it's my turn to reply to my own message... That failed. I just got a bad message. Viewing the resulting .MAI file in EVE, I see that the References: header line wrapped after 255 characters. That appears to be the cause. I manually edited the .MAI file, and now the message appears fine in Mozilla. Any way to get SMTP to accept long header lines without wrapping, or at least wrap-before-the-previous-whitespace? (A less desireable alternative would be to make IMAP unwrap lines which were 255 characters long, but that would cause problems for lines which were exactly 255.) --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:42:24 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: In article <46C396CD.48586B11@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> >> In article <46C24D98.84FDC435@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: >> >Keith Parris wrote: >> >> >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> >> > It now appears there never was an intent to continue VMS past Itanic. >> >> >> >> I've seen public statements that the work done for the Itanium port >> >> makes future ports easier, and even that HP _expects_ to port to other >> >> architectures in the future -- that's just the way things go: whole new >> >> sets of CPU architectures/technology arise in the industry every decade >> >> or so. >> >> >> >> > HP's >> >> > intent was to supplant VMS with UX and the only way to do that was to eliminate >> >> > VMS's operating platforms: first Alpha as a condition of the Compaq merger, now >> >> > Itanic, apparently the hidden part of agenda. >> >> >> >> There's a fatal flaw in this logic: HP-UX runs on Itanium too, so >> >> eliminating Itanium would eliminate the HP-UX platform too. Better find >> >> a better hypothesis. :-) >> > >> >Try again. See the "binary Compatibility" page: >> >http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/technologies/64bit/170114.htm?page=4 >> >(URL is likely to have wrapped) >> > >> >"Interestingly, binaries for Hewlett-Packard's PA-RISC architecture >> >can also be run without modification. To run these binaries, sites >> >must use Aries* software that HP will bundle with all its systems. >> >Aries performs two primary functions: it performs dynamic translation >> >of PA-RISC binaries into native 64-bit processor instructions for >> >immediate execution, and it performs interpretation of other, lesser- >> >used PA-RISC commands" >> > >> The target for Aries is Itanium. To a first approximation think VEST/AEST. >> See >> >> http://devresource.hp.com/drc/STK/docs/refs/Aries.jsp >> >> >...., ostensibly a form of "PEST" (PA-RISC Executable (S?) Translation) for >> >PA-RISC executables. So, porting to EM64T is likely to not be a huge issue for >> >UX, except perhaps where "endianness" is concerned. >> >> You would first need to rewrite Aries to target EM64T. > >O.k. What did I miss here? > >An EM64T article says, "binaries for Hewlett-Packard's PA-RISC architecture can >also be run without modification. To run these binaries, sites must use Aries* >software that HP will bundle with all its systems." > >(Note that the asterisk ("*") is unresolved. See the URL cited above for >confirmation.) > >The implications are that Aries can be used to run PA-RISC binaries (privileged >code issues were not singled out) on EM64T. > >Check article again; however, I'm not detecting any contextual ambiguities that >would support your statement, unless the article is intentionally being >ambiguous and misleading. > What can I say. The unresolved * probably refers to the comment on HP-UX at the bottom of page 2 which also has an unresolved *. The statement seems to be trying to imply that anything applying to Itanium applies to EM64T ie referring to www.hp.com "Most of the information there that is specific to the Itanium Processor Family is relevant to Intel EM64T as well. " which to my mind is a pretty bogus statement. As far as I can see from the HP site Aries is just targeted at Itanium. If you can find a HP reference to support the idea that Aries can target EM64T then please post it. Without a port of HP-UX to EM64T I don't see the point of having Aries target EM64T any more than a version of AEST targetting EM64T would be useful without a port of VMS to EM64T. The limitations of Aries like those of AEST mean that it cannot be used on it's own to port the OS. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >-- >David J Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/ > >Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page >http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > >Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: >http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > >Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: >http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:26:32 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Raulerson [mailto:paul@raulersons.com] > Sent: August 16, 2007 12:57 AM > To: Main, Kerry; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? > > > > > Regarding userland code: there's no law that says that userland > must > > > be open source. (After all, Oracle makes a pretty penny selling > > > licenses for RDBMSs that run on Linux.) > > > > > > > Sure they do, but for them the platform does not matter as they > charge > > the > > same for Oracle on Windows, Linux, OpenVMS, Solaris, HP-UX etc. The > > only > > real difference is in the area of multi-socket systems. > > > > The challenge is how to increase the scalability of Oracle on Linux > > when > > changes are required at the kernel level. That is one area where IBM > > (DB2/AIX) > > and Microsoft (SQL Server) have a big advantage over Oracle ie. they > > control > > the OS kernel and the DB. > > > > [sidebar note - it was stated at one time that one of the primary > > design > > factors that go into Windows kernel is how to make SQL Server run > > better.] > > > > Do you think this is lost on Oracle? > > > > Well, not to belabor the point, but it is not a major exercise to add a > module to the kernel, > even one that makes major changes in behavior. Or to issue a special > purpose > version of Linux > with a modified kernel. > > IBM does this with tape drivers, DB/2, etc. > > This rather makes the idea of a very stable controlled kernel > attractive to > companies > like IBM. Especially when they sell mainframe systems because of Linux. > :) > > -Paul > Based on what you have stated, while adding drivers specific to your specif= ic hardware or ISV package may not be that hard, the challenge is adding parts= to the kernel which will impact more than your code e.g. clustering, SMP, multi-threading, scheduling, locking etc. These are the areas that typicall= y get major changes when one looks to optimize a kernel for additional scalab= ility, stability, new features etc. That's when the fun begins regarding who's wishes get priority. Especially when you have many different ego's with different agendas involv= ed. Reference: http://tinyurl.com/lrecx (May, 2006) http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=3Dlrecx (preview) "Andrew Morton, the lead maintainer of the Linux production kernel, is worr= ied that an increasing number of defects are appearing in the 2.6 version and i= s considering drastic action to resolve it. "I believe the 2.6 kernel is slowly getting buggier. It seems we're adding = bugs at a higher rate than we're fixing them," Morton said in a talk at the Linu= xTag conference in Wiesbaden, Germany, on Friday." Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2007 13:37:45 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: <5ij299F3on6vaU1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Paul Raulerson [mailto:paul@raulersons.com] >> Sent: August 16, 2007 12:57 AM >> To: Main, Kerry; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? >> >> >> > > Regarding userland code: there's no law that says that userland >> must >> > > be open source. (After all, Oracle makes a pretty penny selling >> > > licenses for RDBMSs that run on Linux.) >> > > >> > >> > Sure they do, but for them the platform does not matter as they >> charge >> > the >> > same for Oracle on Windows, Linux, OpenVMS, Solaris, HP-UX etc. The >> > only >> > real difference is in the area of multi-socket systems. >> > >> > The challenge is how to increase the scalability of Oracle on Linux >> > when >> > changes are required at the kernel level. That is one area where IBM >> > (DB2/AIX) >> > and Microsoft (SQL Server) have a big advantage over Oracle ie. they >> > control >> > the OS kernel and the DB. >> > >> > [sidebar note - it was stated at one time that one of the primary >> > design >> > factors that go into Windows kernel is how to make SQL Server run >> > better.] >> > >> > Do you think this is lost on Oracle? >> > >> >> Well, not to belabor the point, but it is not a major exercise to add a >> module to the kernel, >> even one that makes major changes in behavior. Or to issue a special >> purpose >> version of Linux >> with a modified kernel. >> >> IBM does this with tape drivers, DB/2, etc. >> >> This rather makes the idea of a very stable controlled kernel >> attractive to >> companies >> like IBM. Especially when they sell mainframe systems because of Linux. >> :) >> >> -Paul >> > > Based on what you have stated, while adding drivers specific to your specif= > ic > hardware or ISV package may not be that hard, the challenge is adding parts= > to > the kernel which will impact more than your code e.g. clustering, SMP, > multi-threading, scheduling, locking etc. These are the areas that typicall= > y > get major changes when one looks to optimize a kernel for additional scalab= > ility, > stability, new features etc. > > That's when the fun begins regarding who's wishes get priority. > > Especially when you have many different ego's with different agendas involv= > ed. All the more reason to not use Linux for a commercial venture and use BSD instead and then just maintain your own kernel. bill > > Reference: > http://tinyurl.com/lrecx (May, 2006) > http://tinyurl.com/preview.php?num=3Dlrecx (preview) > > "Andrew Morton, the lead maintainer of the Linux production kernel, is worr= > ied > that an increasing number of defects are appearing in the 2.6 version and i= > s > considering drastic action to resolve it. > > "I believe the 2.6 kernel is slowly getting buggier. It seems we're adding = > bugs > at a higher rate than we're fixing them," Morton said in a talk at the Linu= > xTag > conference in Wiesbaden, Germany, on Friday." And none of that comes as a surprise to me. Consider the source!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:02:06 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: August 16, 2007 9:38 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? > [snip] > >> > > > > Based on what you have stated, while adding drivers specific to your > specif=3D > > ic > > hardware or ISV package may not be that hard, the challenge is adding > parts=3D > > to > > the kernel which will impact more than your code e.g. clustering, > SMP, > > multi-threading, scheduling, locking etc. These are the areas that > typicall=3D > > y > > get major changes when one looks to optimize a kernel for additional > scalab=3D > > ility, > > stability, new features etc. > > > > That's when the fun begins regarding who's wishes get priority. > > > > Especially when you have many different ego's with different agendas > involv=3D > > ed. > > All the more reason to not use Linux for a commercial venture and use > BSD instead and then just maintain your own kernel. > > bill > But how many people have the ability to properly maintain SMP, clustering, drivers, multi-threading, scheduling etc kernel code? Also, how many companies want to risk not being able to point the finger at someone if there is a major issue? What if the guru who maintains this code leaves, is on vacation or becomes a disgruntled employee? Fwiw, companies today are focussing on reducing risk. They are not taking any more risk on that will potentially hurt them big time - especially when= they are under a regulatory umbrella like FERPA, HIPPA, SOX etc. [snip] Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2007 16:23:44 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: <5ijc0gF3p1m0tU1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu On >> Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon >> Sent: August 16, 2007 9:38 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? >> > > [snip] > >> >> >> > >> > Based on what you have stated, while adding drivers specific to your >> specif=3D >> > ic >> > hardware or ISV package may not be that hard, the challenge is adding >> parts=3D >> > to >> > the kernel which will impact more than your code e.g. clustering, >> SMP, >> > multi-threading, scheduling, locking etc. These are the areas that >> typicall=3D >> > y >> > get major changes when one looks to optimize a kernel for additional >> scalab=3D >> > ility, >> > stability, new features etc. >> > >> > That's when the fun begins regarding who's wishes get priority. >> > >> > Especially when you have many different ego's with different agendas >> involv=3D >> > ed. >> >> All the more reason to not use Linux for a commercial venture and use >> BSD instead and then just maintain your own kernel. >> >> bill >> > > But how many people have the ability to properly maintain SMP, clustering, > drivers, multi-threading, scheduling etc kernel code? In what? HP-UX? VMS? BSD? I would bet a lot more for BSD than either of the others. > > Also, how many companies want to risk not being able to point the finger > at someone if there is a major issue? What if the guru who maintains this > code leaves, is on vacation or becomes a disgruntled employee? Apply the same logic to the ogther contenders. Again, it would be a lot easier to replace a BSD guru than an HO-UX or VMS guru. I guess it's not as big a risk as you think. Actually, BSD would be much less of a risk. > > Fwiw, companies today are focussing on reducing risk. They are not taking > any more risk on that will potentially hurt them big time - especially when > they are under a regulatory umbrella like FERPA, HIPPA, SOX etc. See above. Seems that the biggest risk along the lines you offered above are with VMS where replacing a "guru" could be nigh on impossible. And yet, HP happily got rid of a majority of those gurus. Guess they don't see it as a risk either. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:04:32 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: August 16, 2007 12:24 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? > [snip] > >> All the more reason to not use Linux for a commercial venture and > use > >> BSD instead and then just maintain your own kernel. > >> > >> bill > >> > > > > But how many people have the ability to properly maintain SMP, > clustering, > > drivers, multi-threading, scheduling etc kernel code? > > In what? HP-UX? VMS? BSD? I would bet a lot more for BSD than > either of the others. > The point I was making is that it is very difficult for a company who's pri= mary focus is something other than OS platform support to "maintain their own ke= rnel" as you called it. Once you start twiddling bits in the kernel on your own, you are opening al= l sorts of potential future compatibility issues with new releases, security patches, custom drivers etc. > > > > Also, how many companies want to risk not being able to point the > finger > > at someone if there is a major issue? What if the guru who maintains > this > > code leaves, is on vacation or becomes a disgruntled employee? > > Apply the same logic to the ogther contenders. Again, it would be a > lot > easier to replace a BSD guru than an HO-UX or VMS guru. I guess it's > not > as big a risk as you think. Actually, BSD would be much less of a > risk. > Again, no one twiddles kernel bits in OpenVMS or HP-UX or AIX or z/OS on their own. They may apply patches from by the appropriate vendors, but if i= t does not work, then that vendor is on the hook to fix it - not the Customer= . If the patch causes problems with a new release, the vendor is on the hook = to find a solution. In your scenario, a new security fix may come out that subsequently appears to cause random crashing, but the Customer is on the hook to fix it because they have modified numerous kernel bits here and there. It could be timing or sequencing or any number of issues that are extremely hard to troubleshoot - especially when downtime is hard to come by and/or complex environments like clusters. > > > > Fwiw, companies today are focussing on reducing risk. They are not > taking > > any more risk on that will potentially hurt them big time - > especially when > > they are under a regulatory umbrella like FERPA, HIPPA, SOX etc. > > See above. Seems that the biggest risk along the lines you offered > above are with VMS where replacing a "guru" could be nigh on > impossible. > And yet, HP happily got rid of a majority of those gurus. Guess they > don't see it as a risk either. > > bill > Unless I have misunderstood what you mean by "maintaining your own kernel", you are missing the point. You are recommending maintaining your own kernel which is exponentially more difficult to support once you start twiddling SMP, Scheduling etc kernel bits on your own. Its not just platform SysAdmin support any more, its kernel maintenance, compatibility testing etc. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:17:47 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: <%E%wi.48364$rH6.7962@newsfe22.lga> On 08/16/07 12:04, Main, Kerry wrote: [snip] > > The point I was making is that it is very difficult for a company who's primary > focus is something other than OS platform support to "maintain their own kernel" > as you called it. > > Once you start twiddling bits in the kernel on your own, you are opening all > sorts of potential future compatibility issues with new releases, security > patches, custom drivers etc. Gah! I agree with Kerry!!!! (Does that mean I'm wrong?) -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:17:00 -0000 From: issinoho Subject: Re: Node & Port allocation classes on a new cluster Message-ID: <1187259420.207056.309300@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Aug 15, 9:24 pm, "Martin Vorlaender" wrote: > issinoho wrote: > > On the subject of using the 2nd LAN card for SCS traffic, how exactly > > does one tell the system to do this? > > On more recent VMS versions (7.3-x?) there's SYS$SYSTEM:SCACP.EXE > where you can put priorities on SCA LAN devices. > > An older approach is SYS$EXAMPLES:LAVC$STOP_BUS.EXE (and LAVC$START_BUS.EXE) > (including source code) which you can use to completely shut off > SCA traffic off a LAN interface. > > cu, > Martin > -- > One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! > One OS to find them | work: m...@pdv-systeme.de > One OS to bring them all | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaen...@t-online.de Thanks all. For completeness, the following will prioritise a secondary LAN port (EWB) to remote node, $ MCR SCACP SET CHANN /REMOTE=EWB /PRIORITY=2 NODE2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:03:28 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Proliant DL145 Unused available Message-ID: Someone from a Steel company inquired about one of these Proliant systems If you are reading this please give me a call! David island 912 -4476622 "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote in message news:13c6csj26hvag09@news.supernews.com... > Manufacturer HP > Manufacturer Part # 411095-001 > Form Factor Rack-mountable - 1 U > Processor 1 x AMD Dual-Core Opteron 285 2.6 GHz ( Dual-Core ) > Cache Memory 2 MB L2 cache > RAM 2 GB (installed) / 16 GB (max) - DDR SDRAM - Advanced ECC - 400 > MHz - PC3200 > Storage Controller Serial ATA ( Serial ATA-150 ) - PCI ; IDE ( > IDE/ATA ) > Server Storage Bays Hot-swap > Hard Drive None > Optical Storage None > Monitor None > > Graphics Controller - 16 MB > Networking Network adapter - PCI-X / 133 MHz - Ethernet, Fast > Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet - Ethernet Ports : 2 x Gigabit Ethernet > Power AC 120/230 V > Power Redundancy Yes > Expansion Bays Total 2 ( 2 ) x hot-swap - 2.5" > Expansion Slots Total 1 ( 1 ) x PCI-X / 133 MHz - full-length, > full-height > 1 ( 1 ) x PCI-X / 133 MHz - half-length, low-profile > 8 ( 6 ) x memory - DIMM 184-pin > 2 ( 1 ) x processor - Socket 940 > Interfaces 4 x USB - 4 pin USB Type A ( 2 in front ) > 1 x management - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 > 1 x keyboard - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style) > 1 x mouse - generic - 6 pin mini-DIN (PS/2 style) > 2 x network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX/1000Base-T - RJ-45 > 1 x serial - RS-232 - 9 pin D-Sub (DB-9) > 1 x display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) > OS Certified Microsoft Windows 2000 Server, Microsoft Windows 2000 > Advanced Server, SuSE Linux 8.0, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Enterprise > Edition, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, Microsoft Windows > Server 2003 Standard Edition, Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS 3, SuSE Linux > 9.0, Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS 3, Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES 3, Red Hat > Enterprise Linux AS 4, Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES 4, Red Hat Enterprise > Linux WS 4 > Warranty 1 Year Warranty > > > For those who also use Intel/AMD boxes > > Sorry but it was too good a deal to not post here > > > Price is $1099 > > > > > > -- > David B Turner > Island Computers US Corp > 2700 Gregory St, Suite 180 > Savannah GA 31404 > > T: 877-6364332 x201 > Intl: 001 912 447 6622 > > E: dturner@islandco.com > F: 912 201 0402 > W: http://www.islandco.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:17:40 -0400 From: "warren sander" Subject: Re: VMS primer Message-ID: The primer was taken down because it was very out of date (branding not content). There is a new version that will go up if anyone ever vets the course and actually gives it to me to post. We have been going back and forth with the edu folks for almost 2 years and I'm still waiting for stuff to post. -warren "kiwi-red" wrote in message news:1187160030.923594.302080@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > anyone know what happened to the > OpenVMS Primer for System Managers > that was the free online training course? > > It seems to be MIA and I have a few > new people that I'd like to try it > out on > > > kiwi > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:48:29 -0700 From: "hanblo {at} netscape.net" Subject: Which version of SSH? Message-ID: <1187268509.272494.307050@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Hello, I'm setting up a connection from an OpenVMS machine to a Linux one. The application owner wants to run sftp, so I said OK, no problem. But I couldn't get it working until the firewall administrator allowed SSH V1 traffic to pass. This got me surprised. I thought SSH on TCPIP 5.4 eco 6 running on OpenVMS 7.3-2 was using SSH V2 by default. If that is not the case, can I force V2? If anyone can enlighten me, I would most grateful. Regards Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:41:13 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Which version of SSH? Message-ID: In article <1187268509.272494.307050@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "hanblo {at} netscape.net" writes: > > >Hello, >I'm setting up a connection from an OpenVMS machine to a Linux one. >The application owner wants to run sftp, so I said OK, no problem. But >I couldn't get it working until the firewall administrator allowed SSH >V1 traffic to pass. >This got me surprised. I thought SSH on TCPIP 5.4 eco 6 running on >OpenVMS 7.3-2 was using SSH V2 by default. If that is not the case, >can I force V2? > >If anyone can enlighten me, I would most grateful. It may be falling back to V1 because V2 is not permitted. I would use V2 over V1 as it's been show that V1 has certain security implications. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:38:05 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Raulerson [mailto:paul@raulersons.com] > Sent: August 16, 2007 12:54 AM > To: Main, Kerry; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal > champion > > If you get the chance, check out PSI running Windows 2008 on Itanium. > The beginning of AppStacking under Windows for sure. > > Sweet - add and take away processes dynamically. And Windows > understands > it happening. :) > > -Paul > > > > Huh? Who said anything about "flocking to OpenVMS?" > > > > However, since you brought it up, the number one server consolidation > > target by > > far in almost every med to large company to today is Windows. > > Unfortunately, > > because of the one app, one server culture and platform technology > > challenges, > > it is not considered viable to consolidate with App stacking on > > Windows, so prod's > > like VMware are going through the roof. > > I am sure there will be technical enhancements in the future which will mak= e App stacking on Windows (and Linux) more feasible, but the biggest challenge th= ey face is the Windows culture and ISV's, end users, support types not wanting to s= hare apps on the same system. And of course, one of the critical technologies associated with App stackin= g is a good and reliable workload management sub-system - either in the kernel o= r via some add-on product. This might also be called a class scheduler which I su= spect you likely know a thing or two about with experience from the mainframe wor= ld .. :-) For the benefit of others, workload balancing via class schedulers are desi= gned to ensure that one process does not do something dumb and take over the sys= tem thus impacting other applications. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 2007 11:58:13 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > For the benefit of others, workload balancing via class schedulers are desi= > gned > to ensure that one process does not do something dumb and take over the sys= > tem > thus impacting other applications. Or do something contrary to the fiscal arrangements that enabled the organization to buy the machine (Chemistry Department always deserves at least 43 percent). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:28:07 -0400 From: "Mike Minor" Subject: Write locked file Message-ID: <13c8k7978crk67b@corp.supernews.com> I have a situation where a .txt file is in a write locked state, but I can't find the process that has the file locked. I have tried the following commands to no avail: show device/files /system show device/files /nosystem showdevice/files user1 All show a list of open files on the system, but the file in question does not show up. Does anyone have any ideas about how to identify the process that has the file locked? Thank you in advance Mike Minor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:40:22 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> Subject: Re: Write locked file Message-ID: <46c45385$0$228$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Do a 'show device/files' from all nodes in the cluster. Files open on another node will not show up on the local node. This assumes you're in a cluster. If not then display the complete error and what you're trying to do. Jur. Mike Minor wrote, On 16-8-2007 15:28: > I have a situation where a .txt file is in a write locked state, but I can't > find the process that has the file locked. I have tried the following > commands to no avail: > > show device/files /system > show device/files /nosystem > showdevice/files user1 > > All show a list of open files on the system, but the file in question does > not show up. Does anyone have any ideas about how to identify the process > that has the file locked? > > Thank you in advance > > Mike Minor > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:02:08 -0400 From: "Jilly" Subject: Re: Write locked file Message-ID: <46c482f1$0$8446$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com> "Mike Minor" wrote in message news:13c8k7978crk67b@corp.supernews.com... >I have a situation where a .txt file is in a write locked state, but I >can't find the process that has the file locked. I have tried the following >commands to no avail: > > show device/files /system > show device/files /nosystem > showdevice/files user1 > > All show a list of open files on the system, but the file in question does > not show up. Does anyone have any ideas about how to identify the process > that has the file locked? > > Thank you in advance > > Mike Minor > Assuming a somewhat recent version of VMS $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SET OUTPUT X.X SHOW PROCESS/CHANNEL ALL EXIT $ SEARCH X.X "Process index:","A.TXT"/OUTPUT=Y.Y $ SEARCH Y.Y "A.TXT"/WIN=(1,0) $ DELETE X.X. $ DELETE Y.Y. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Write locked file Message-ID: "Mike Minor" writes: >I have a situation where a .txt file is in a write locked state, but I can't >find the process that has the file locked. I have tried the following >commands to no avail: >show device/files /system >show device/files /nosystem >showdevice/files user1 "$ show device/files user1" is what you want, if user1 is the name of the disk the file in question is on. If in a cluster, execute the command on all nodes in the cluster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:45:16 -0400 From: "Mike Minor" Subject: Re: Write locked file Message-ID: <13c939ecuhdb290@corp.supernews.com> Thanks to all that contributed a suggestion. As it turns out, there is a hardware problem with one of the drives causing the drive to be write locked, not just one file. Mike Minor "Michael Moroney" wrote in message news:fa20d2$cin$2@pcls4.std.com... > "Mike Minor" writes: > >>I have a situation where a .txt file is in a write locked state, but I >>can't >>find the process that has the file locked. I have tried the following >>commands to no avail: > >>show device/files /system >>show device/files /nosystem >>showdevice/files user1 > > "$ show device/files user1" is what you want, if user1 is the name of the > disk the file in question is on. If in a cluster, execute the command on > all nodes in the cluster. > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.448 ************************