INFO-VAX Sat, 18 Aug 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 452 Contents: Re: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool RE: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool RE: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Re: Fun with bugs Re: Getting sftp to work in batch mode Gzip 1.3.12? Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Linux Happiness (was:Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations... Re: Looking for SEDT source code Re: Looking for SEDT source code Re: Looking for SEDT source code RE: Looking for SEDT source code RE: Looking for SEDT source code Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Re: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Re: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? RE: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Re: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Re: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Re: SSH login welcome message? Re: SSH login welcome message? Re: To HP: How To Stop Negativity on C.O.V. Re: To HP: How To Stop Negativity on C.O.V. Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Zip (was Re: Gzip 1.3.12?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:50:32 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool Message-ID: "AlexNOSPAMDaniels@themail.co.uk" wrote in message news:1187354281.047619.86330@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On 17 Aug, 13:23, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >> AlexNOSPAMDani...@themail.co.uk wrote: >> > On 15 Aug, 17:28, "FredK" wrote: >> >> >>>HasPOWEReven been considered at *any* time?? Or was there a decision >> >>>"It must be Intel!" and later on "What architecture to choose?" >> >> >>They didn't bring me into the discussions, so I can't say. Nor was it >> >>a VMS >> >>decision. It was a high level corporate decision by Compaq. But get >> >>serious and ask yourself the question of why Compaq (or HP for that >> >>matter) >> >>would want to rely on IBM for their large systems business? Why didn't >> >>IBM >> >>adopt Alpha rather than invest inPower? >> >> >>Why doesn't SUN adoptPOWER instead of the slowly dying SPARC? >> >> > Sun are working with IBM to make Solaris run on IBM's x86 boxes, and >> > port it >> > to POWER. >> >> >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41755 >> >> > Alex >> >> Solaris has been running on X86 boxes for years now! AFAIK there is >> nothing special about IBM's X86 boxes that would require any special >> support other than things like graphics drivers. > > Sure, but prior to this announcement there was no offical tie-up in > place, > now there is. IBM will be an OEM for Solaris and will be able to offer > service subsciptions. > > The more interesting part of the announcement is regarding the > port of Solaris to POWER. > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/16/sun_ibm_solarisx86/ > > A quote from the article.. > > "This arrangement provides Sun with its first real Tier 1 OEM partner > on the Solaris x86 front. In addition, the two companies have decided > to examine Solaris running on IBM's mainframes and even - gasp - its > Power-based systems." > More confirmation that SUN continues to struggle to remain solvent. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:04:17 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool Message-ID: <001801c7e1b9$d0607450$71215cf0$@com> > > Sure, but prior to this announcement there was no offical tie-up in > > place, > > now there is. IBM will be an OEM for Solaris and will be able to > offer > > service subsciptions. > > > > The more interesting part of the announcement is regarding the > > port of Solaris to POWER. > > And Solaris is being ported to the mainframe under z/VM as well. http://www.sinenomine.net/node/607 Now I wonder what it would take to port VMS to the mainframe? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:05:56 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: FredK [mailto:fred.nospam@dec.com] > Sent: August 18, 2007 12:51 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Alpha/Integrity Dead Pool > > [snip] > > A quote from the article.. > > > > "This arrangement provides Sun with its first real Tier 1 OEM partner > > on the Solaris x86 front. In addition, the two companies have decided > > to examine Solaris running on IBM's mainframes and even - gasp - its > > Power-based systems." > > > > More confirmation that SUN continues to struggle to remain solvent. > And to only state the obvious - one can only imagine what the AIX division and their Cust's think of this move. Now wait until the Power benchmarks start. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2007 07:58:22 GMT From: "dave weatherall" Subject: Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Message-ID: <5inn4tF3q4kqpU1@mid.individual.net> Elliott Roper wrote: > In article <5ilk49F3p6tlgU1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon > wrote: > > > In article <1187353419.635280.280010@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, > > AEF writes: > > > On Aug 13, 2:43 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip > > > Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > >> In article <130820070946381392%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, Elliott Roper > > > [...] > > > > > > >> > To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ > > > > > > >> I think requiring potential takers to know Teco is taking things > > a bit >> too far, though! In case anyone can't follow the above, > > it's a Teco >> command and the "$" is what the terminal shows when > > escape (CTRL-[) is >> entered; put the munged address into a file > > and fire up edit/teco on it! > > > > > > I give up. Please tell me how to use TECO to demunge the secret > > > code. I put it in a file, ran EDIT/TECO, and nothing. Typed it > > > in to the * as a command, nothing. > > > > > > Please give a clear, detailed answer. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Put nospam@yrl.co.uk in your editor. > > type fsnospam[ESC]elliott[ESC][ESC] > > > > fs = find/substitute > > [ESC] the escape key is the command key separating the two strings > > and a double [ESC] is the execute key. > > > > Of course, you should be able to see what it does without doing > > anything. It is a simple text substitution. > > Indeed! I guess that's why I figgered it was too easy a "good home" > test. > > > > > bill > > (Who stopped using TECO in the PDP-11 days before the first VAX saw > > the light of day!!) > > It's the same reason I kept on using teco. It was the one editor > common to Tops-10 OS/8 RSX and VMS. > > I'm using emacs on OS X now, I'm ashamed to relate. > It is bit verbose, and the syntax colouring is a bit girly, but it has > the same unforgiving nature that you grow to love in teco. ;-) > > Translating the e-mail addy is a bit of a waste now. Almost all the > good stuff is gone. I have three semi-broken Alpha 4/100's , one > DECServer 200, 2 VLCs, and a broken Alpha 3000. Oh, and a pile of CRT > monitors that is not getting too much attention. Cursing the fact that you didn't announce this in June while I was back in the UK enjoying a break in the country's wettest June ever :) Or did you? I was also making the newsreader move from OS/2 to (sorry to admit) Windows and missed lots of stuff. (Some very sad). -- Cheers - Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:46:40 +0100 From: Elliott Roper Subject: Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Message-ID: <180820071046400046%nospam@yrl.co.uk> In article <5inn4tF3q4kqpU1@mid.individual.net>, dave weatherall wrote: > Elliott Roper wrote: > > > Translating the e-mail addy is a bit of a waste now. Almost all the > > good stuff is gone. I have three semi-broken Alpha 4/100's , one > > DECServer 200, 2 VLCs, and a broken Alpha 3000. Oh, and a pile of CRT > > monitors that is not getting too much attention. > > Cursing the fact that you didn't announce this in June while I was back > in the UK enjoying a break in the country's wettest June ever :) Or did > you? I was also making the newsreader move from OS/2 to (sorry to > admit) Windows and missed lots of stuff. (Some very sad). No, it was Phillip Helbig while visiting from Germany who came to grab some long promised bits who convinced me I could easily do better than sending the rest to the tip. I should have made a cleaner break with it all three years ago. It took me that long to realise I'd never get it all working again, I'm so pleased that nearly all of it has found a good home. -- To de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:35:26 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations, Alphas Message-ID: <2lExi.51796$GO6.3972@newsfe21.lga> On 08/18/07 02:58, dave weatherall wrote: [snip] > you? I was also making the newsreader move from OS/2 to (sorry to > admit) Windows and missed lots of stuff. (Some very sad). Shame on you for not moving to Linux. You'd be happier. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:21:46 GMT From: Chris Sharman Subject: Re: Fun with bugs Message-ID: John Reagan wrote: > DeanW wrote: > >> >> You're right- you should never rely on an undeclared variable. See >> above re: dinner and beers. Excuse me now, I need to bandage my >> forehead... >> > > Try /USAGE=ALL ... > > well, actually just /USAGE=(UNCERTAIN, UNINITIALIZED) > > UNINITIALIZED is on by default, but UNCERTAIN is not due to the false > positives. However, from time to time, I've used it in desperation when > confronted with a bug that "moves around". Yes - I use it all the time. I scrutinise the code, and either initialize, or comment with !ignore UNCERTAIN when I'm sure - the typical false positive is something like: if (a) then begin b := ... end; ... if (a) then {reference to b uncertain here} Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:34:38 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Getting sftp to work in batch mode Message-ID: <07081808343869_20200296@antinode.org> > Well, _my_ problem was bad permissions on my HP-UX "~/.ssh" > directory. [...] Oh, yeah. After getting a plain ssh to work, that sftp -v "-B" tt: user@remote.host.domain command did get through, but, knowing nearly nothing about sftp, I became lost immediately. (Ctrl/Z was effective, however.) Anyway, I'd still vote for diagnosing a plain ssh first. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:05:45 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Gzip 1.3.12? Message-ID: <07081802054523_20200296@antinode.org> I don't know if it has any actual advantages over (or disadvantages under) previous versions on VMS, but thrill-seekers may wish to investigate a VMS port of the current version (1.3.12) of gzip: http://antinode.org/dec/sw/gzip.html It does offer large-file support on newer non-VAX systems, but that's new only if you're comparing it with version 1.2.x. As always, complaints are welcome. Getting it to build with VAX C was more of an ordeal than before, and I didn't try it on any VMS V6.x systems, and I hardly tested it, so I won't offer more than my usual guarantee (that is, none), but it's mostly portable code, so what could go wrong? If enough acclaim accumulates, I could try to get the VMS-related changes pushed back into the main source stream. It doesn't look as if anyone official has touched the VMS code since June 1993, but they did recently fix a spelling error in the VMS help file, so there just might be some interest in GNUville. (In which case, it'd be less embarrassing if all the VMS-specific bugs were found and fixed before I started pleading for acceptance.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:37:18 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > As always, complaints are welcome. Getting it to build with VAX C > was more of an ordeal than before. Unless you are sure that a package will still build on VMS 5.4 or earlier, there is no point in leaving any VAX C specific build procedures or hacks in the code. If I am updating an open source project written in C, I make it a practice to remove all traces of support for VAX C, if it is clear that there is no chance that some one would be using that and subsequent versions on a platform that old. It makes the source cleaner, and the build procedure cleaner. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:43:12 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Message-ID: <07081808431204_20200296@antinode.org> From: "John E. Malmberg" > > As always, complaints are welcome. Getting it to build with VAX C > > was more of an ordeal than before. > > Unless you are sure that a package will still build on VMS 5.4 or > earlier, there is no point in leaving any VAX C specific build > procedures or hacks in the code. VAX C V3.2-044 on VMS V5.4 was what I used, but I also have VAX C on a VMS V5.5-2 system (along with DEC C V4.0-000). > If I am updating an open source project written in C, I make it a > practice to remove all traces of support for VAX C, if it is clear that > there is no chance that some one would be using that and subsequent > versions on a platform that old. > > It makes the source cleaner, and the build procedure cleaner. It's a habit carried over from Info-ZIP development. We got complaints as recently as July 2005 from a user running VAX C V3.2-044 on VMS V5.5-2H4, and December 2006 from someone using some VAX C or other on VMS V6.1. I just steal-and-change the same set of builders I use for all this stuff, and it has VAX C stuff in it, so there's no extra work there. On the bright side, I didn't need to add any VAX C stuff to anything outside the [.VMS] dirctory, and I did stop trying to accomodate the (very) old (2.3) GNU C I also have on the old VAX here (but if you need it, let me know). There is one particularly senseless "#if defined(VAXC) || defined(VMS)" in tailor.h, but _I_ didn't put it there. (And if it's _not_ senseless, please tell me why.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:30:20 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Gzip 1.3.12? Message-ID: <0oDxi.66679$Fc.58398@attbi_s21> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > > As always, complaints are welcome. Please take a look at the packages that I have put in the GNV directory of ftp.encompasserve.org, particularly the pkg-config tool, and the release notes for it. I just took a quick look at the code. It is not returning the correct exit status codes for either DCL, MMS, make or bash. In order to return the correct exit code to VMS applications from programs written for UNIX, you need to do several things. 1. You must compile with DEC C or later. (can be worked around with some pain) 2. You must compile with /DEFINE=_POSIX_EXIT and you must make sure that the header files with exit() and wait() are #include. 3a. If you are using HP C/CXX 7.1 or later, you must use the /MAIN=POSIX_EXIT on the command line when compiling the module containing the main function. It can be used on other modules too, but will be ignored. 3b. If you are using HP/DEC/Compaq C/CXX earlier than 7.1, you need put a wrapper around the main functions to make sure that exit() is called and not return. The more recent DEC/Compaq/HP C Compilers have a "/FIRST_INCLUDE" qualifier that allows doing these steps with out modifying the UNIX source. This is a sample of a wrapper: int real_main(int argc, char **argv); /* Make sure POSIXized exit is used */ int main(int argc, char **argv) { int ret_status; ret_status = real_main(argc, argv); exit (ret_status); } #define main real_main I have been lobbying that the structure of GNV be changed from one kit to several kits that follow the same kitting names and contents as on LINUX, and the GNV kit just be a wrapper that installs a set of them. To be installable as a replacement for the GNV gzip and such more work is probably needed. I have not yet identified all the issues that are needed for utilities that are intended to be used as a filter. It is possible that a wrapper to the pipe() code may be needed when it is used by other GNV utilities. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:00:12 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Intel marginalizing Itanium even faster than expected? Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:70003$46c5eb36$cef8887a$24194@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Main, Kerry wrote: > >> What if the guru who maintains this >> code leaves, is on vacation or becomes a disgruntled employee? > > > You really shouldn't be bringing this argument up because VMS is far more > vulnerable than Linux in the current context. > > What if FredK leaves and there is nobody else left to handle all the X > windows issues, the drivers to interface to the various video cards (which > had to be reverse engineered with a lot of talent) etc etc ???? (And I > have to assume FredK has done far more work than I know about). And many > other experienced folks have already left. > > Since VMS is in a downward trend in terms of staffing, and the more > talented/experienced gurus are generally the first to leave, VMS is far > more vulnerable. > > In an open source community, when one person leaves, others can jump in > more easily because of the community aspect where many peole have seen the > work of the guru that has left. > > You can easily teach a monkey to access source code and press a PF key to > start the build process and deliver an executable. But you can't teach a > young newbie indian how to start to reverse engineer a windows video > drivers and build an equivalent Alpha/IA64 driver that feeds 8086 code to > the hardware. Golly. On the one hand I appear untaleted/unexperienced (since I haven't left) and on the other hand I can't be replaced. The one thing I have noticed in the last 30 years of working in the computer industry - many people think they are unique and can't be replaced - they are invariably wrong. FredK has done many things and knows many things and likes to think he is irreplaceable - but he knows deep down that it isn't true. A 20-something who doesn't know any better can pick up and take over his code. Sure. FredK has a lot of historical knowledge - but in fact sometimes a clean slate can be very useful. VMS is less vulnerable from loss of engineers, than from people who spend their time spreading FUD about Integrity just because they are POed about Alpha. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:52:39 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Linux Happiness (was:Re: Free to good home. Microvaxes, Vaxstations... Message-ID: In article <2lExi.51796$GO6.3972@newsfe21.lga>, Ron Johnson wrote: >On 08/18/07 02:58, dave weatherall wrote: >[snip] >> you? I was also making the newsreader move from OS/2 to (sorry to >> admit) Windows and missed lots of stuff. (Some very sad). > >Shame on you for not moving to Linux. You'd be happier. In general, I'm happier with Linux than with Windows on my laptop (sorry, Bill G., but wireless network "support" for *BSD is chancy - otherwise, I'd be there with my laptop :-)) That being said, I'd like to explore running some kind of "emulator" for Windows under Linux. My original attempt at Vmware was less than successful :-). Any suggestions? [...] ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2007 07:50:59 GMT From: "dave weatherall" Subject: Re: Looking for SEDT source code Message-ID: <5inmn3F3qka3nU1@mid.individual.net> Paul McIlfatrick wrote: > Back on 22nd November 2005 Lee Roth posted the following article in > the comp.unix.solaris newsgroup: > > > Briefly: I have permission from the original author of SEDT (Anker > > Berg-Sonne) to make my modified-for-Solaris binary + source files > > available. > > > > If you've never used the DEC EDT editor I certainly don't suggest > > you begin to do so now, but if you are an old-time DEC user like me > > that has the EDT editor burned deep into your brain's ROM, you may > > want to give this powerful EDT-on-steroids editor a look. > > > > I had to do a couple of minor tweaks to get the sources to compile, > > but I have created a binary that runs on Solaris 7, 8 and 9 (Sparc) > > and a separate binary that (at least) Solaris 7 on Intel platforms. > > I have not yet tested the binary on Solaris 10 (Sparc). > > > > Additional details at http://easy48.com/sedt/ > > > > Check out the above link... if interested, please respond to this > > posting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lee Roth > > A few days ago I posted an article to the comp.unix.solaris newsgroup > asking if Lee Roth had ever made the modified-for-Solaris binary + > source files available. I got three replies, each trying to be funny > about painting the numlock key gold. > > In Alan Roth's article he mentioned the http://easy48.com/sedt/ web > page and it still exists. Some days ago I sent an e-mail to Lee at > the address he gives on that page but so far there has been no reply. > > > As someone who started out on VMS back in 1983 and got used to > programming DCL and using EDT, I have never got used to vi on Solaris > after my company moved to Sun machines around 1996. > > > Do any of you people who read this newsgroup know: > > 1) is the SEDT source available somewhere on the Internet for > download (Google search didn't turn up anything)? > > or > > 2) is there SEDT Solaris binary available (I know this is a VMS > newsgroup!)? > > > Thanks > > > Paul McIlfatrick Thanks for the trigger. I tried some years ago to build SEDT on Solaris (I use it everywhere else) but had trouble with the 'make' process and had too many more interesting things to do on VMS :) There are a couple of bugs in the VMS version that I've meant to fix for years, if I had the time, the source and the build procedure. The simplest is to increase the storage for filenames from 80 to 255 (well it's enough for ODS-2). Thanks to Brian's link to the DECUS library, I might just try again. -- Cheers - Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:40:24 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Looking for SEDT source code Message-ID: On 08/17/07 18:21, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , David Mathog writes: [snip] >> >> That's enough sleuthing for me for one day. Good thing his name wasn't >> John Smith! >> >> David Mathog > > Ah! The wealth of info one can conjure up from the internet! For people with distinctive names. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:57:08 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for SEDT source code Message-ID: <8NDxi.10$bQ.3@newsfe12.lga> In article , Ron Johnson writes: > > >On 08/17/07 18:21, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , David Mathog writes: >[snip] >>> >>> That's enough sleuthing for me for one day. Good thing his name wasn't >>> John Smith! >>> >>> David Mathog >> >> Ah! The wealth of info one can conjure up from the internet! > >For people with distinctive names. I guess that leave me out, huh? ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:09:52 -0400 From: "Hank Vander Waal" Subject: RE: Looking for SEDT source code Message-ID: <000301c7e1b2$38556fa0$7ef1a8c0@hpxp> -----Original Message----- From: dave weatherall [mailto:daveweather3@compuserve.SPAMFREEde] Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:51 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: Looking for SEDT source code Paul McIlfatrick wrote: > Back on 22nd November 2005 Lee Roth posted the following article in > the comp.unix.solaris newsgroup: > > > Briefly: I have permission from the original author of SEDT (Anker > > Berg-Sonne) to make my modified-for-Solaris binary + source files > > available. > > > > If you've never used the DEC EDT editor I certainly don't suggest > > you begin to do so now, but if you are an old-time DEC user like me > > that has the EDT editor burned deep into your brain's ROM, you may > > want to give this powerful EDT-on-steroids editor a look. > > > > I had to do a couple of minor tweaks to get the sources to compile, > > but I have created a binary that runs on Solaris 7, 8 and 9 (Sparc) > > and a separate binary that (at least) Solaris 7 on Intel platforms. > > I have not yet tested the binary on Solaris 10 (Sparc). > > > > Additional details at http://easy48.com/sedt/ > > > > Check out the above link... if interested, please respond to this > > posting. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lee Roth > > A few days ago I posted an article to the comp.unix.solaris newsgroup > asking if Lee Roth had ever made the modified-for-Solaris binary + > source files available. I got three replies, each trying to be funny > about painting the numlock key gold. > > In Alan Roth's article he mentioned the http://easy48.com/sedt/ web > page and it still exists. Some days ago I sent an e-mail to Lee at > the address he gives on that page but so far there has been no reply. > > > As someone who started out on VMS back in 1983 and got used to > programming DCL and using EDT, I have never got used to vi on Solaris > after my company moved to Sun machines around 1996. > > > Do any of you people who read this newsgroup know: > > 1) is the SEDT source available somewhere on the Internet for > download (Google search didn't turn up anything)? > > or > > 2) is there SEDT Solaris binary available (I know this is a VMS > newsgroup!)? > > > Thanks > > > Paul McIlfatrick Thanks for the trigger. I tried some years ago to build SEDT on Solaris (I use it everywhere else) but had trouble with the 'make' process and had too many more interesting things to do on VMS :) There are a couple of bugs in the VMS version that I've meant to fix for years, if I had the time, the source and the build procedure. The simplest is to increase the storage for filenames from 80 to 255 (well it's enough for ODS-2). Thanks to Brian's link to the DECUS library, I might just try again. -- Cheers - Dave I'd love to use SEDT on Windows! Can Someone please tell me where I can down load a complied version ?? Hank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:23:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: RE: Looking for SEDT source code Message-ID: <52Fxi.23$bQ.10@newsfe12.lga> In article <000301c7e1b2$38556fa0$7ef1a8c0@hpxp>, "Hank Vander Waal" writes: {...snip...} >Thanks for the trigger. I tried some years ago to build SEDT on Solaris >(I use it everywhere else) but had trouble with the 'make' process and >had too many more interesting things to do on VMS :) > >There are a couple of bugs in the VMS version that I've meant to fix >for years, if I had the time, the source and the build procedure. The >simplest is to increase the storage for filenames from 80 to 255 (well >it's enough for ODS-2). Thanks to Brian's link to the DECUS library, I >might just try again. Let me know if you do and how successful you are with it. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:34:13 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: In article <000801c7e158$8e5c8c30$ab15a490$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: {...snip...} I didn't find providing a google link to a thread discussing what it is that you've queried about nasty. If you want to know about nasty, being that you are a relative newcomer to comp.os.vms, I suggest you research one Carl J. Lydick. While c.o.v. sometimes gets hostile and vituperations fill the threads, it is nothing at all like the when Carl would chime in with his castigatory vitrolic rhetoric! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:19:55 GMT From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > If you want to know about nasty, being that you are a relative newcomer > to comp.os.vms, I suggest you research one Carl J. Lydick. While c.o.v. > sometimes gets hostile and vituperations fill the threads, it is nothing > at all like the when Carl would chime in with his castigatory vitrolic > rhetoric! Carl was also a great resource and could be very helpful if you asked what he deemed a worthy question. All things considered I miss Carls postings. Lets not forget Ehud Gavron either, there was a time when c.o.v. flamage was rated in units called the Gavron. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:20:42 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: In article , Malcolm Dunnett writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> If you want to know about nasty, being that you are a relative newcomer >> to comp.os.vms, I suggest you research one Carl J. Lydick. While c.o.v. >> sometimes gets hostile and vituperations fill the threads, it is nothing >> at all like the when Carl would chime in with his castigatory vitrolic >> rhetoric! > > Carl was also a great resource and could be very helpful if you >asked what he deemed a worthy question. All things considered I >miss Carls postings. Yes. I didn't say that he did not offer anything to the group but he certainly could be caustic. > Lets not forget Ehud Gavron either, there was a time when c.o.v. >flamage was rated in units called the Gavron. ;) I haven't talked with Ehud in ages. I still remember an interesting dinner with Ehud at a DECUS event in New Orleans. He certainly had a way with words! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:39:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: RE: Nasty? was: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: In article <001201c7e1b4$5d75c2b0$18614810$@com>, "Paul Raulerson" writes: > > >Yeah- well- I am a little ashamed for snapping like that. No excuse at all >to do that. The reason however, was exhaustion and frustration. :/ > >Apologies again. > >-Paul Everyone has their bad day(s); I've had a bad lifetime. I've been under incredible stress and strain for, at least, the past 2 years which I thought was unbearable but that was trumped in the past month. I've been acerbic more than my fair share of late but if you'd have the shit in your life that I have, you'd tend to be a bit caustic too. I only commented that I didn't the the google link was negative or in way nasty is all I was saying. Every now and then we all just let off some stream -- just watch that you don't boil over. :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:19:06 -0700 From: seotutor Subject: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Message-ID: <1187425146.575323.232940@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> This is just a short introduction to Oracle for beginners, to give a brief history of databases and Oracle's role in that history, explain relational theory and provide a few practical examples to show how relational databases work.There is also a very brief discussion of object-oriented design as it applies to databases. http://flying-rugs.com/oracle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:26:04 -0700 From: seotutor Subject: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Message-ID: <1187425564.000121.243780@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> This is just a short introduction to Oracle for beginners, to give a brief history of databases and Oracle's role in that history, explain relational theory and provide a few practical examples to show how relational databases work.There is also a very brief discussion of object-oriented design ... http://flying-rugs.com/oracle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:33:30 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Message-ID: <46C7114A.2060406@cox.net> On 08/18/07 03:26, seotutor wrote: > This is just a short introduction to Oracle for beginners, to give a > brief history of databases and Oracle's role in that history, explain > relational theory and provide a few practical examples to show how > relational databases work.There is also a very brief discussion of > object-oriented design ... > > http://flying-rugs.com/oracle It's got formatting "issues". http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/flying-rugs.png -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:45:33 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Oracle Tutorial For Beginners ! Message-ID: In article <46C7114A.2060406@cox.net>, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/18/07 03:26, seotutor wrote: > > This is just a short introduction to Oracle for beginners, to give a > > brief history of databases and Oracle's role in that history, explain > > relational theory and provide a few practical examples to show how > > relational databases work.There is also a very brief discussion of > > object-oriented design ... > > > > http://flying-rugs.com/oracle > > It's got formatting "issues". > > http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson/flying-rugs.png Er, yes. Did you think to look up the poster's IP address first? Sorry, that's not a fair question - Peter Weaver would know why I looked it up. It's a Chinese address. Meanwhile - whoopee! I'm off to see Sophia Loren tonight. Could be an impersonator, but if she's anywhere near as good as last night's rendition of Adriano Celentano, it's got to be worth seeing. (if you don't know who Adriano Celentano is then look here: http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&rls=en&q=Adriano+Celentano& ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi that wraps, so: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqzdj9 -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:20:15 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: <07081801201580_20200296@antinode.org> From: "Paul Raulerson" > Question: Why did you waste all the effort being nasty? I find that putting forth the extra effort is often worthwhile. > If you don't know the answer, just don't answer. I'm confused. What part of http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/42b16fa49dddadf4/8c6f3c71727b6cf5 wasn't clear? > Better yet: Why am I wasting all this time? I don't know. Perhaps because you can't see an answer when someone hands it to you? (I'd ask if you need to have it read to you, but I'd hate to be thought of as excessively nasty.) > When people like > yourself waste so much time and energy being negative > and nasty, it really makes life unpleasant. Like ill-formatted newsgroup postings? Or off-topic newsgroup postings? Yeah, I think I know what you mean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:46:38 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: Re: SSH login welcome message? Message-ID: <3012861.5CXtTbdN2h@linux1.krischik.com> Paul Raulerson wrote: > What file(s) hold the welcome message for SSH logins? Beware of login messages and ssh - they can mess up scp and rsync connection. I am not saying you can't use them - just make sure they are only displayed on interactive sessions. Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:03:06 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: To HP: How To Stop Negativity on C.O.V. Message-ID: Given some of the vitrol that has gone on for years, I may not live long enough for #3. "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:46C507A3.631EBDB2@spam.comcast.net... > Came across this while perusing AOL this eve. > > HP folks should especially read the third paragraph, "Now, you may think > it's > OK..." > > URL: > > > Anger Management > By Tom Hopkins, > Posted: 2006-11-15 13:19:42 > > Have an angry client? Don't hide! Turn their frown upside down with these > nine > tactics for resolving disputes. > > Too many people, when faced with clients who range from dissatisfied to > downright angry, choose the loser's path by putting off handling the > situation. > Worse yet, they handle it inappropriately. Postponement doesn't make the > problem > go away: It results in one of two things happening. Either the angry > client > decides the problem isn't worth the aggravation and cools down. Or the > client > gets so angry that the next time you hear from them is via some sort of > official--and possibly legal--letter. > > Now, you may think it's OK to lose one client who's unhappy--but it's not. > You > see, when we have a good experience with a company, we tend to tell three > other > people about it. Positive word-of-mouth is great for business. However, > someone > who's displeased with a situation tells, on average, 11 people about it. > Can you > see how your business could be hurt by that? And there's an even bigger > risk if > you're a sole proprietor because you may learn more about your client's > anger > through legal channels. > > Naturally, no one wants to walk into a lion's den and face an angry > client. > However, you must consider the value of this client to you, your > reputation and > your company. In most cases, I'd guess that it'll be worth your while to > face > that angry customer and get the situation resolved as quickly as possible. > > I'd like to give you nine steps I've developed for facing and dispelling > another > person's anger. These tips work well in most situations mainly because > you're > giving the client the attention their dissatisfaction deserves. > > 1. Acknowledge the other person's anger quickly. Nothing adds more fuel to > someone's fire than having their anger ignored or belittled. The faster > you > verbally recognize their anger, the better. > > 2. Make it clear that you're concerned. Tell them you realize just how > angry > they are. Let them know you're taking the situation seriously. Make notes > of > every possible detail they give you. > > 3. Don't hurry them. Be patient, and let them get it all out. Never try to > interrupt or shut them up. In many cases, the best move is to simply > listen. > They'll wind themselves down eventually. In some cases, they'll realize > they > blew the situation out of proportion and feel foolish for it. They're then > likely to accept nearly any solution you offer. > > 4. Keep calm. Most angry people say things they don't really mean. Learn > to let > those things pass and take them up after you've solved the present > challenge--only if you feel it's necessary to do so. > > 5. Ask questions. Your aim is to discover the specific things that you can > do to > correct the problem. Try to get precise information about the difficulties > the > problem caused, rather than a general venting of hot air. > > 6. Get them talking about solutions. This is where you'll learn just how > reasonable this client is. By the time you get to this step, their anger > should > have cooled enough to discuss the challenge rationally. If it hasn't, tell > them > you want to schedule a later meeting, even if it's in an hour, to come up > with > some reasonable solutions. Let them do the rest of their fuming on their > time. > > 7. Agree on a solution. After you know exactly what the challenge is, > you're in > a position to look for some kind of action that will relieve the > challenge. > Propose something specific. Start with whatever will bring them the best > and > quickest relief. Don't get into a controversy over pennies at this point. > > 8. Agree on a schedule. Once you've agreed on a solution, set up a > schedule for > its accomplishment. Agree to a realistic time frame that you know you can > handle. The biggest mistake you can make is to agree to something that > can't be > done. If you do, you'd better be ready to face another bout of this > person's > anger when you don't come through. > > 9. Meet your schedule. Give this schedule top priority. You've talked > yourself > into a second chance with this client, so make sure you don't blow it.Once > you've satisfied the client with regard to this situation, you'll have > earned > another opportunity to serve their needs in the future...and the needs of > those > they'll tell about how well you handled it. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tom Hopkins is the "Sales Basics" coach at Entrepreneur.com and is > world-renowned as "the builder of sales champions." For the past 30 years, > he's > provided superior sales training through his company, Tom Hopkins > International. > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:41:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: To HP: How To Stop Negativity on C.O.V. Message-ID: In article , "FredK" writes: > > > >Given some of the vitrol that has gone on for years, I may not live long >enough for #3. That's OK. We'll all just wade in the #2 that's filling the comp.os.vms stream. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:43:47 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: On 08/17/07 17:08, Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] >> Sent: August 17, 2007 5:40 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal >> champion [snip] >>> >>> BSD Jails are very similar to Solaris Zones/Containers. >> Linux *does*, though, have CPU percentage limiting software. >> http://cpulimit.sourceforge.net/ >> >> BTW, how does one limit CPU percentage in VMS? >> >> -- > > Class scheduler: > $ mcr sysman > Sysman> help class (see ADD, DELETE, MODIFY, SHOW, SUSPEND) > > .. > > ADD > > The ADD command creates a new scheduling class. > > The class scheduler provides the ability to limit the amount > of CPU time that a system's users receive by placing users in > scheduling classes. Each class is assigned a percentage of the > overall system CPU time. As the system runs, the combined set of > users in a class is limited to the percentage of CPU execution > time allocated to their class. > > Users might get some additional CPU time if the qualifier > /WINDFALL is enabled for their scheduling class. Enabling the > qualifier /WINDFALL allows the system to give a small amount > of CPU time to a scheduling class when the scheduling class's > allotted time has been depleted, but a free CPU is available. > > Other ways of managing workloads include: > - setting process priorities > - restricting processes to specific cpu's (can also be performance enhancement > as caching has better chance of not being flushed) Very interesting. Thanks. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:31:49 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] > Sent: August 18, 2007 10:44 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal > champion > > On 08/17/07 17:08, Main, Kerry wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] > >> Sent: August 17, 2007 5:40 PM > >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >> Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an > internal > >> champion > [snip] > >>> > >>> BSD Jails are very similar to Solaris Zones/Containers. > >> Linux *does*, though, have CPU percentage limiting software. > >> http://cpulimit.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >> BTW, how does one limit CPU percentage in VMS? > >> > >> -- > > > > Class scheduler: > > $ mcr sysman > > Sysman> help class (see ADD, DELETE, MODIFY, SHOW, SUSPEND) > > > > .. > > > > ADD > > > > The ADD command creates a new scheduling class. > > > > The class scheduler provides the ability to limit the amount > > of CPU time that a system's users receive by placing users in > > scheduling classes. Each class is assigned a percentage of the > > overall system CPU time. As the system runs, the combined set > of > > users in a class is limited to the percentage of CPU execution > > time allocated to their class. > > > > Users might get some additional CPU time if the qualifier > > /WINDFALL is enabled for their scheduling class. Enabling the > > qualifier /WINDFALL allows the system to give a small amount > > of CPU time to a scheduling class when the scheduling class's > > allotted time has been depleted, but a free CPU is available. > > > > Other ways of managing workloads include: > > - setting process priorities > > - restricting processes to specific cpu's (can also be performance > enhancement > > as caching has better chance of not being flushed) > > Very interesting. Thanks. > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA > > Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. > Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! For the benefit of al who would like some additional info on other Workload Management and virtualization features for OpenVMS, check out: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-5801ENW.pdf Pretty good brochure if the terms iCAP, TiCAP, GiCAP gWLM and PPU are new to you. Note that this was dated May 2006. Also has some info on Web Services. Exec Summary extract: "This white paper outlines how HP OpenVMS is embracing virtualization technologies contributing to the HP Adaptive Enterprise initiative, so that customers can begin to plan integration of their current and future OpenVMSenvironments into the Adaptive Enterprise and Virtual Server Environment (VSE)." Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:05:41 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: <9b16$46c718d8$cef8887a$32203@TEKSAVVY.COM> Main, Kerry wrote: > Exec Summary extract: > "This white paper outlines how HP OpenVMS is embracing virtualization > technologies contributing to the HP Adaptive Enterprise initiative, There is nothing impressive or desirable about VMS running as an application on HP-UX. This is going backwards compared to galaxies. Like IBM dropping its mainframe equivalent to Galaxies and going back to the 1980s VM to host multiple instances of an OS. But then again, the way HP sees it, VMS customers are expected to migrate to HP-UX so it is natural to have HP-UX system hosting an instance of VMS that will run your apps that haven't yet been converted to HP-UX. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:35:57 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: <001701c7e1b5$da9115a0$8fb340e0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 11:06 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal > champion > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > Exec Summary extract: > > "This white paper outlines how HP OpenVMS is embracing virtualization > > technologies contributing to the HP Adaptive Enterprise initiative, > > > There is nothing impressive or desirable about VMS running as an > application on HP-UX. This is going backwards compared to galaxies. > Like > IBM dropping its mainframe equivalent to Galaxies and going back to the > 1980s VM to host multiple instances of an OS. > Galaxies and SYSPLEXs are not quite as equivalent as you might think. For example, you can run a SYSPLEX under z/VM quite happily, and then host tens to hundreds to *thousands* of z/OS, z/VM, z/VSE, MVS, OS/390, Linux, 31bit/64bit instances. Every single one of which thinks it has the entire machine, including multiple CPUs, and any hardware device you want to give it access to. z/VM also provides a facility known as a Virtual Switch - which is very much like a Cisco switch, allowing you to trunk VLANS around, connect virtual machines (instances) together, either with hardware or with HyperSockets (LAN connections that move at memory bus speeds) and so forth and so on and so on. I truly believe that VMS would be a great platform to virtualize, and indeed, should be virtualized to run HP-UX, Linux, Windows, VMS, and all the other OS's that can run on the underlying hardware. No emulation though!! :) If it could do that, similar to VM, it would make the Itanium platform *very* desirable indeed. Probably would not wind up looking a lot like the same VM you know today though. -Paul > But then again, the way HP sees it, VMS customers are expected to > migrate to HP-UX so it is natural to have HP-UX system hosting an > instance of VMS that will run your apps that haven't yet been converted > to HP-UX. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:55:06 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal champion Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: August 18, 2007 12:06 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Wonderful things happen to an OS when it has an internal > champion > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > Exec Summary extract: > > "This white paper outlines how HP OpenVMS is embracing virtualization > > technologies contributing to the HP Adaptive Enterprise initiative, > > > There is nothing impressive or desirable about VMS running as an > application on HP-UX. This is going backwards compared to galaxies. > Like > IBM dropping its mainframe equivalent to Galaxies and going back to the > 1980s VM to host multiple instances of an OS. > > But then again, the way HP sees it, VMS customers are expected to > migrate to HP-UX so it is natural to have HP-UX system hosting an > instance of VMS that will run your apps that haven't yet been converted > to HP-UX. Did you actually read the brochure? There are a number of options available - each with pro's and con's. Btw - do you really understand the issues with OS virtualization on any platform? Imho, OS virtualization solutions on *any* platform are a short term soluti= on that address some savings in HW and DC space/cooling but they do not reduce the numbers of OS's which are tied to FTE counts - the largest slice of mos= t IT budgets. After you do OS virtualization using solutions like VMware, Zen or any othe= r solution, the next question out of the CIO's mouth will be "Great. Now how are you going to reduce the number of OS's, so I can cut my FTE numbers?" And that is where App stacking, Workload Mgmt comes in. Anyway, I suggest you read and digest the brochure contents before typing out your fud and hype .. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:18:19 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Zip (was Re: Gzip 1.3.12?) Message-ID: <%4Exi.51795$GO6.19768@newsfe21.lga> On 08/18/07 02:05, Steven M. Schweda wrote: > I don't know if it has any actual advantages over (or disadvantages > under) previous versions on VMS, but thrill-seekers may wish to > investigate a VMS port of the current version (1.3.12) of gzip: > > http://antinode.org/dec/sw/gzip.html > > It does offer large-file support on newer non-VAX systems, but that's > new only if you're comparing it with version 1.2.x. Does VMS Info-Zip now handle successfully handle files larger than 4.2M blocks? We tried a VMS-ified ZIP a while back, but had problems accurately decompressing them. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.452 ************************