INFO-VAX Sun, 07 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 548 Contents: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:16:02 -0700 From: Sue Subject: European OpenVMS Technical Update Days Message-ID: <1191759362.467649.27000@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, I am sitting at Heathrow airport waiting for my flight to be called reflecting on the last two weeks in Europe. So I thought I would try and work with an English keyboard and try and give you an update. Every country has their own keyboard so its a series of mistakes for me but itdoes provide yet another excuse for bad spelling. \its funny but every year I think that the TUD's will not get better and they do. I have also noticed that VMS culture is very similar in every country even though there are small differences. I really wish that you had a chance to all meet each other it would be so exciting. We were in Germany, Netherlands and Sweden and were pretty much full in each location. If I am honest the team was excellent from HP and then partners in Germany Guy P was there from Bruden as well as Andre and then in \netherlands Colin B was there and then in Sweden Guy was back so there was a star studded speaker list not to mention blades sessions. We also went to a college in Germany where Andy G spoke there were 50-60 people including 10 customers, he spoke for 2 or so hours and they loved what he said. We have a VMS user there who worked with the user group to coordinate it was awesome. Gotta go sorry, you would have loved it. sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:24:53 +0200 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Michael Kraemer wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm schrieb: >>> >>> But OpenVMS is a server platform, not a client, right? :\ >> At least not a *desktop* client platform. But that's nothing >> new about that, is there ? > > Funny. When I had my VMS term (OK, many moons ago), > it was pitched as a cool desktop OS as opposed to dull mainframes. > Sure, remember the Vax 2000? It was smaller than a desktop. A long time ago I worked with a VaxStation 3100 and more recently with a Alphaserver DS10 workstation. There used to be Itanium workstations, but not anymore it seems. So now you can't get a VMS workstation anymore. That's called progress I suppose ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:34:08 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Dirk Munk wrote: > There used to be Itanium workstations, but not anymore it seems. So now > you can't get a VMS workstation anymore. That's called progress I > suppose ? In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then run X windows on it. And yes, X windows is still being made available for VMS. What is lacking for that IA64 thing is VMS support for sound. (useful for mission critical applications such as air traffic control). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:06:25 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Dirk Munk schrieb: > Sure, remember the Vax 2000? It was smaller than a desktop. I remotely remember the VAXstation 2000, it was a pathetic box. A pain to work with even at the time it was brand new. IIRC it had only 6MB RAM, even a contemporary Amiga home computer could be stuffed with more RAM and probably was faster. > A long time > ago I worked with a VaxStation 3100 certainly a much more usable work horse, but killed by the RISC boxes from 1990 onwards. > and more recently with a Alphaserver > DS10 workstation. > > There used to be Itanium workstations, but not anymore it seems. So now > you can't get a VMS workstation anymore. Right, IMHO an entry level server with stuffed-in gfx card doesn't qualify as a workstation. OTOH, VMS as a workstation OS was dead already in the 1990s, just look at the hassle with gfx card support. > That's called progress I suppose ? Probably. Vendors giving up the "low-end" will be caught by Wintel in the "high-end" just a little bit later. If you look at it, one might come to the conclusion that producing a client/desktop OS is such a demanding high-tech challenge that only a certain company is tech-savvy and knowledgeable enough to achieve it (and consequently owns 90%+x of the market). All other, lesser companies are relegated to the server basement where they have to perform lower level slave work. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:09:40 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server > as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then > run X windows on it. Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. > And yes, X windows is still being made available for VMS. What is > lacking for that IA64 thing is VMS support for sound. (useful for > mission critical applications such as air traffic control). What for ? To make the appropriate sound whenever planes crash ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:24:50 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Michael Kraemer wrote: > JF Mezei schrieb: >> In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server >> as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then >> run X windows on it. > > Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and > wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with > its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. Re: noise level I have yet to see (and hear) it, but there's an option for the rx2660 called 'Office Friendly Server (OFS)' (1 processor only, pedestal form factor, with reduced acoustics for workstation replacement and/or office environments). cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:17:49 +0200 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Martin Vorlaender wrote: > Michael Kraemer wrote: >> JF Mezei schrieb: >>> In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server >>> as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then >>> run X windows on it. >> Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and >> wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with >> its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. > > Re: noise level > > I have yet to see (and hear) it, but there's an option for the rx2660 > called 'Office Friendly Server (OFS)' (1 processor only, pedestal form > factor, with reduced acoustics for workstation replacement and/or office > environments). > > cu, > Martin Nice, it would have been even nicer if HP had taken the trouble to put a picture and specifications/dimensions on their web site. Now we can only find the part number (AD251A). Suppose you could put VMware on it, then you can run OpenVMS, Linux, HP/UX and Windows on the same server. Does anyone know if there is software available for Windows on Itanium? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:28:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > > >Dirk Munk schrieb: >> Sure, remember the Vax 2000? It was smaller than a desktop. > >I remotely remember the VAXstation 2000, it was a pathetic box. >A pain to work with even at the time it was brand new. >IIRC it had only 6MB RAM, even a contemporary Amiga home computer >could be stuffed with more RAM and probably was faster. The first VAX I purchased (what a dent in the pocketbook that was) was a MicroVAX-2000. I still have it (in fact 2 of them). They could be maxed out with 14MB of memory. I have RD54s in them (which were Maxtor MFM drives IIRC). I found the pinouts for the disk expansion and built my own drive expansion cabling to add more dirve space to the uV2Ks. I setup the snapshot boot option on these and I was able to have VMS up and running on the uV2Ks in less than 15 seconds. DECWindows worked on these boxes but it was pathetically slow by today's standards. I used these boxes more to test kernel code I was working on at the time when I was at the .mil labs since I could crash them at whim. >> A long time >> ago I worked with a VaxStation 3100 I've got a VAXstation 3100M76 sitting here somewhere. Also a VAXstation 4000-96 which, for a VAX, was a snappy box. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:36:55 -0400 From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: In article , Dirk Munk wrote: > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > > Michael Kraemer wrote: > >> JF Mezei schrieb: > >>> In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server > >>> as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then > >>> run X windows on it. > >> Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and > >> wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with > >> its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. > > > > Re: noise level > > > > I have yet to see (and hear) it, but there's an option for the rx2660 > > called 'Office Friendly Server (OFS)' (1 processor only, pedestal form > > factor, with reduced acoustics for workstation replacement and/or office > > environments). No, it supports 2 processors/4 cores. It does NOT support redundant power and cooling. > > cu, > > Martin > > Nice, it would have been even nicer if HP had taken the trouble to put a > picture and specifications/dimensions on their web site. Now we can only > find the part number (AD251A). http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12698_div/12698_div.pdf http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12698_div/12698_div.HTML See the "site preparation" section for dimensions. There's a picture on the system's main web page: http://h20341.www2.hp.com/integrity/cache/452196-0-0-225-121.html (For the pedestal version, you'll have to rotate it by 90 degrees in your head.) Or look in the rx2660 Server Installation Guide: http://docs.hp.com/en/AB419-9000B/index.html As usual, there are feedback links on the web pages, so if you don't find the information you need, send in your suggestions. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:30:51 +0200 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: OT: one of the most informative Powerpoint presentations ever Message-ID: Robert Deininger wrote: > In article , > Dirk Munk wrote: > >> Martin Vorlaender wrote: >>> Michael Kraemer wrote: >>>> JF Mezei schrieb: >>>>> In fairness to that IA64 contraption, one can configure an IA64 server >>>>> as a workstation (add graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse) and then >>>>> run X windows on it. >>>> Well, IMHO a workstation is sth which is living-room- and >>>> wife-compatible. I'm not sure a redeclared server with >>>> its noise level and power consumption qualifies as such. >>> Re: noise level >>> >>> I have yet to see (and hear) it, but there's an option for the rx2660 >>> called 'Office Friendly Server (OFS)' (1 processor only, pedestal form >>> factor, with reduced acoustics for workstation replacement and/or office >>> environments). > > No, it supports 2 processors/4 cores. > > It does NOT support redundant power and cooling. Actually, redundant power and cooling seems to be standard for the pedestal version, and optional for the rack mount version > >>> cu, >>> Martin >> Nice, it would have been even nicer if HP had taken the trouble to put a >> picture and specifications/dimensions on their web site. Now we can only >> find the part number (AD251A). > > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12698_div/12698_div.pdf > http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12698_div/12698_div.HTML > > See the "site preparation" section for dimensions. > > There's a picture on the system's main web page: > http://h20341.www2.hp.com/integrity/cache/452196-0-0-225-121.html Yeas, I found that of course, but a picture of a RX2660 in its pedestal housing would have been much nicer. Now it seems as if there is not pedestal version, only when you read the quickspecs you discover the possibility of a pedestal. To late for potential buyers of an office version. > > (For the pedestal version, you'll have to rotate it by 90 degrees in > your head.) > > Or look in the rx2660 Server Installation Guide: > http://docs.hp.com/en/AB419-9000B/index.html > > As usual, there are feedback links on the web pages, so if you don't > find the information you need, send in your suggestions. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.548 ************************