INFO-VAX Sat, 20 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 574 Contents: bug in SHOW STATUS Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? RE: Rare job posting Re: Rare job posting RE: Rare job posting Re: Rare job posting ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:07:47 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: bug in SHOW STATUS Message-ID: This has been around forever, but only shows up on a fast machine: Elapsed CPU :17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00 In other words, if it is zero, it is interpreted as an absolute time rather than a delta time. This is still not fixed in 8.3. I doubt it causes anyone trouble, but it would be nice if it were fixed, just to indicate that someone still cares. :-) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 2007 12:58:31 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: <5nucbnFjg0u3U1@mid.individual.net> In article , Ron Johnson writes: > On 10/19/07 19:29, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > [snip] >> >> OK, I'll admit haveng heard the term, but I really have no idea what >> it is any more than kibology. I guess I never got into all the finer >> points of geekdom. Too busy earning a living I guess. > > It's more than possible to do both. Hmmmm....... > >> And while we are confessing our sins, While I enjoyed the original >> Monty Python series I have never seen, nor had a desire to see, any >> of the movies. > > Maybe I'm just hard of hearing -- or maybe just honest -- but I > found very little of the Flying Circus to be funny. The accents > were too strong, and the topics very often understandable only to a > Brit (or Western European) who was around in the War Years. From > the laughter, though, I'm sure that Brits found it uproariously > funny - or they had a good laugh track. Maybe it was the years I spent posted with BAOR that made me so receptive. I also enjoyed "The Good Life", "Dad's Army" and even "Benny Hill" among others (Well, there was always Blaster Bates and Billy Connely before he became a Hollywood comedian. And, of course, "Oh My Sainted Aunt" on the radio. :-) > > OTOH... /SFTHG/ & /LoB/ were *great* movies, and anyone who hasn't > seen them should not be allowed to work in the tech field. Thank you, but I'll pass. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:59:40 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? Message-ID: <1192899580.253427.147790@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Yesterday I started my annual OpenVMS in my usual way: I restored a total backup of our AS-4100 (development platform) to an AS-2100 junker sitting in the corner then upgraded the 2100. The upgrade went without incident and all my apps worked properly but I also noticed that the second boot of OpenVMS-8.3 was noticably faster than 8.2 I was in a hurry (because our developers always scream when they can't access the 4100) so I quickly upgraded the 4100 from 8.2 to 8.3 then noticed the same thing: the second boot of 8.3 was noticably faster than 8.2 I wished I would have measured the before + after boot times so I could report some hard numbers. Has anyone else noticed this? Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:02:11 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Rare job posting Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On > Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: October 19, 2007 6:52 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Rare job posting > [snip...] > >> > > >> > >> I guess the big question really is are these long term support > >> jobs or conversions? Why do I ask? About a year ago a major > >> beltway bandit was advertising for Fortran Programmers (damn, > >> why didn't I apply!!) Apparently the search went badly. Juat > >> about a month ago they were looking for Java Programmers with > >> a working knowledge of Fortran to do a conversion. The location > >> was the same. Just because someone wants people with legacy > >> experience doesn't mean long term survival for the legacy system. > >> > >> bill > >> > >> -- > >> Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three > >> wolves > >> bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > >> University of Scranton | > >> Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include > > Same goes both ways .. Large Cust I was at was looking for Solaris > skills to assist with > > legacy Solaris to Linux migrations. > > Ummm..... How is that "both ways"? If it was Solaris to VMS I could > see you dancing in the street, but Solaris to Linux? VMS still looses. > Did not say it was a VMS win. I simply stated that in a number of Solaris s= hops, Solaris is considered legacy and Linux is the next big thing. Even "Linux is the next big thing.." is losing steam in some quarters as co= mpanies Consolidate and move back to much more centralized strategies. Heck, even m= ainframe sales are back up again. > > Btw, I know you know this, but every platform has legacy versions. > Microsoft refers > > to W2K as legacy, Sun refers to Solaris 8 as legacy etc. That > certainly does not mean > > Solaris 10 is legacy or W2K3 is legacy. > > I know you know this, but while old versions of Windows and Solaris are > considered "legacy", most of the IT world considers all versions of VMS > as legacy. Ask any computer science department. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three > wolves > bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include If the large US based University I was at is any indication, they would say= Solaris is legacy and Linux is "The next big thing ..". They would also say that the f= uture was distributed computing with strategies like AFS. Unfortunately, CS depts in University like to do what they think is "cool" = and bleeding edge to attract new students. However, "cool" does not cut it in IT shops t= oday. Hence, while some University CS depts may think Solaris is legacy, I have no doubt= companies will be using Solaris for a long time to come. [The CS Eng dept was biggest head ache to the University I was at because a= s those in charge of IT planning wanted to adopt a more centralized strategy that left= a few things in the hands of the Dept IT folks, but common services would be delivered c= entrally i.e. adopt what the majority of the industry is moving to. CS Eng types were fig= hting the whole strategy as they did not want to relinquish control of anything] Point is that CS Engineering depts are often a few steps behind strategies = that private Industry are adopting. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:14:49 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: <471a2973$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Ummm..... How is that "both ways"? If it was Solaris to VMS I could > see you dancing in the street, but Solaris to Linux? VMS still looses. I am sure Kerry has some bosses that thinks Linux running on HP hardware is much better than Solaris running on Sun hardware. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:38:22 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Rare job posting Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk] > Sent: October 20, 2007 12:15 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Rare job posting > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > Ummm..... How is that "both ways"? If it was Solaris to VMS I could > > see you dancing in the street, but Solaris to Linux? VMS still > looses. > > I am sure Kerry has some bosses that thinks Linux running on HP > hardware > is much better than Solaris running on Sun hardware. > > Arne And even Solaris X86 running on Proliants :-) Actually, my main point is that today's "next big thing" is tomorrows "lega= cy" platform in the eyes of groups like University CS depts .. that does not ma= ke it so, just because some media, analyst or Univ group says so. I used Solaris as an example, as the University I was at stated Solaris was legacy and they were moving to Linux. The Univ Architecture and Graphic Art= s design depts thought all flavours of UNIX were legacy and their MAC based strategy= for not only desktops, but servers and compute clusters as well, was the right futu= re strategy. Most people do not understand what "legacy" really means, but they like to = throw the word out when they want to cut down a platform they are either not familiar= with or have very little experience with in order to promote their new favourite pl= atform. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:03:34 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: On 10/20/07 11:02, Main, Kerry wrote: [snip] > > Did not say it was a VMS win. I simply stated that in a number of Solaris shops, Solaris > is considered legacy and Linux is the next big thing. > > Even "Linux is the next big thing.." is losing steam in some quarters as companies > Consolidate and move back to much more centralized strategies. Heck, even mainframe sales > are back up again. Sure. Running Linux. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.574 ************************