INFO-VAX Mon, 22 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 578 Contents: RE: .NET Mono for VMS Re: ANN: .NET Mono for VMS Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Re: CHECKSUM oddity? DE500-XA on XP1000 Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Re: Mozilla default plugin configuration Re: OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? Re: OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Re: Rare job posting Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Re: Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Re: Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:29:49 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: .NET Mono for VMS Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk] > Sent: October 21, 2007 4:17 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: .NET Mono for VMS > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > Thx for pointer - I had not heard about this Mono project .. very > > interesting. > > It is rather well known. > > There were a couple of threads about here back in 2005. > > > Quick thought - are you planning to simply get Mono to run on OpenVMS > > or as part of the port, adopt it to take advantage of some of the > > strengths of OpenVMS i.e. A-A clustering, high security etc? > > Mono & C# is no different than Fortran, Pascal or Cobol in that > regard. > > Arne Yes, but all clusters (on all platforms) typically require applications to = follow a set of rules native to that platform in order to take advantage of the cl= ustering available on that platform. It is one thing to get an application to simply run on a platform, but to g= et it Running & supported in an A-A cluster is another level of planning, design = and testing. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:49:41 +0200 From: JOUKJ Subject: Re: ANN: .NET Mono for VMS Message-ID: <471C8E55.9020106@hrem.nano.tudelft.nl> Richard Maher wrote: > Hi, > > How many people would be interested in running .NET Mono on OpenVMS, Alpha > or Integrity? Of those, how many would want to: > > 1. use OpenVMS as a host for their .NET Clients > 2. use OpenVMS as a host for their .NET Servers > 3. both of the above > Right now I have no applications which need it. However in (near) future it will be rather probably that we can make good use of it in some projects we have together with industries, who base their whole development on .NET applications. Jouk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:41:11 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: In article <1192971458.338430.58200@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >On Oct 20, 7:49 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Doug Phillips wrote: >> > ### >> >> > "What the hell does that have to do with VMS?" >> > -- Origin Unknown >> >> > ##### >> >> The church of VAX worshippers still exists. Proof at: >> >> http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/vax-temple.gif >> >> There are rumours of a VMS worshippers also existing. Apparently, they >> need to SET PROC/SUSP twice a day and then kneel down in the direction >> of ZKO and pray to beg for the survival of VMS and its porting to a >> viable platform. > >Do they pray twice a day to honour the god of the binary realm? > >BYW, it just occurred to me that the god of VMS is triune: VAX, Alpha, >Itanium. I hope this observation doesn't incur the the wrath of Bob's >cult. > You mean something like VAX - Father (as in Original) Alpha - Son (Son of VAX - as in followon to VAX) Itanium - Ghost (as in fading remnant having little impact on the real world) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Neil Rieck >Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >Ontario, Canada. >http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 07:22:20 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: <+VHP2RY4$Ys6@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > > > VAX - Father (as in Original) > > Alpha - Son (Son of VAX - as in followon to VAX) > > Itanium - Ghost (as in fading remnant having little impact on the real world) Blashpemy! Everyone knows VAX is the Son of PDP-11. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:33:46 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: <13hpbg1ibovhh1c@corp.supernews.com> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > >> >>VAX - Father (as in Original) >> >>Alpha - Son (Son of VAX - as in followon to VAX) >> >>Itanium - Ghost (as in fading remnant having little impact on the real world) > > > Blashpemy! Everyone knows VAX is the Son of PDP-11. A better (and less inflammatory) analogy might be these represented by the Olympian gods, and PDP the Titans of the preceding Golden Age (not at all inappropriate comparison considering the history of the minicomputer). The Titans were imprisoned in the underworld (with but a few remaining exceptions) by their progeny, the Olympians. Of course there were twelve Olympian gods and the fear is there won't be more than three in the VMS pantheon. It also appears we have seen the end of such a mythical age, it's initiates and priests (we '70s Computer Science graduates), and now live in an age of skeptics and rank materialism (commodity computing). Although pushing it close to breaking; this would make VAX - Zeus, Alpha - Poseidon, the victors over the Titans, along with Itanic - Hades, the god living distant from the Mount and presiding over the realms of the dead. Any fourth deity in this pantheon would have to be Persephone; returning VMS from abduction to that underworld :-) -- "They didn't have to show us Catch-22," the old woman answered. "The law says they don't have to." "What law says they don't have to?" "Catch-22." [Joseph Heller; Catch-22] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:17:20 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:03:46 -0700, Mark Daniel wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk >> writes: >> >>> >>> VAX - Father (as in Original) >>> >>> Alpha - Son (Son of VAX - as in followon to VAX) >>> >>> Itanium - Ghost (as in fading remnant having little impact on the >>> real world) >> Blashpemy! Everyone knows VAX is the Son of PDP-11. > > A better (and less inflammatory) analogy might be these represented by > the Olympian gods, and PDP the Titans of the preceding Golden Age (not > at all inappropriate comparison considering the history of the > minicomputer). The Titans were imprisoned in the underworld (with but a > few remaining exceptions) by their progeny, the Olympians. Of course > there were twelve Olympian gods and the fear is there won't be more than > three in the VMS pantheon. It also appears we have seen the end of such > a mythical age, it's initiates and priests (we '70s Computer Science > graduates), and now live in an age of skeptics and rank materialism > (commodity computing). > > Although pushing it close to breaking; this would make VAX - Zeus, Alpha > - Poseidon, the victors over the Titans, along with Itanic - Hades, the > god living distant from the Mount and presiding over the realms of the > dead. Any fourth deity in this pantheon would have to be Persephone; > returning VMS from abduction to that underworld :-) I guess that makes Carly and Curly, Echo and Narcissus, or is that Orpheus and Eurydice > > -- > "They didn't have to show us Catch-22," the old woman answered. "The law > says they don't have to." > "What law says they don't have to?" > "Catch-22." > [Joseph Heller; Catch-22] -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:31:49 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bush, Rice actions may bring judgment of God on U.S. Message-ID: In article <+VHP2RY4$Ys6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >> >> >> VAX - Father (as in Original) >> >> Alpha - Son (Son of VAX - as in followon to VAX) >> >> Itanium - Ghost (as in fading remnant having little impact on the real world) > > Blashpemy! Everyone knows VAX is the Son of PDP-11. > Remember that we are talking about the God of VMS not of lesser operating systems (or is there a PDP-11 somewhere which can natively run an early version of VMS ? ) " BYW, it just occurred to me that the god of VMS is triune: VAX, Alpha, Itanium. I hope this observation doesn't incur the the wrath of Bob's cult. Neil Rieck " As well as all the ancient false gods there are all the current false gods of Unix , Linux and Windows. :) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 05:17:18 -0500 From: cornelius@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: CHECKSUM oddity? Message-ID: In article <4717476e$0$243$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> writes: > Read reverse support is done in MKdriver by skipping backwards, reading > forwards and skipping backwards again. Very slow and inefficient but > it works. Ugh. I wondered about that when I tried the test, but had no way of looking inside the drive given it's in a storage library in the data center. Since I know of no reasonable way to attach a non-MKdriver tape (presumably the fibrechannel driver is a variant of the same code), I suppose that means VMS read reverse is no more. George ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:36:41 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: DE500-XA on XP1000 Message-ID: Is it supported on 7.3-2 - 8.3? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:48:05 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > Is it supported on 7.3-2 - 8.3? FWIW, the options list at http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/xp1000/xp1000_19_options_sorted.html#OptListHead only lists the DE500-BA and -FA, both as not supported. cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 12:59:54 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: DE500-XA on XP1000 Message-ID: <6plMGJMUEkwp@cuebid.zko.hp.com> "Tom Linden" writes: > Is it supported on 7.3-2 - 8.3? The DE500-AA, -BA, and -XA are supported on those versions of the operating system. I suppose it's possible that the XP1000 was never qualified with those options, but I'd expect them to work correctly. Please report back if you have experiences to the contrary. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:06:45 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: <471C8445.3010403@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > >> Maybe HIS PC has that much RAM. Mine has 1GB which seems to be >> sufficient. > > > If you were to buy a new today - how much RAM would that system have ? > > Arne If I were to buy a new PC today, I would call a friend who is a PC wizard and ask him. With W/XP 512 MB is enough and 1 GB is generous. I've never run Vista and, God willing, never will! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:26:32 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: In article <471ac795$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > mjjerabek wrote: > > I went through an install of java 1.5 on an rx2620 duo core with 3gb > > ram, a radeon video card, mouse, keyboard, and OpenVMS 8.3. I followed > > the patching and tuning recommendation from the java release notes and > > from the java$check_environment.com DCL file. I then started running > > the jdk demo applications to get an idea of java performance versus > > the same applications running on an 2.8ghz P4 XP PC with 256mb of ram. > > > > The performance of these java apps on the OpenVMS ia64 system was > > extremely poor as compared to a much slower PC running XP. I followed > > these tests up with a re-tune of the VMS authorize and sysgen > > parameters, taking these parameters from their recommended values to > > ridiculously large values (1gb wsquo, wsmax 1gb, everything big). The > > performance of these apps got better, but had lots of rough spots. > > In my experience Java works OK on VMS. > > If you: > - specify FAST JVM > - gives is lots of ressources > it seems to work fine. > > The FAST JVM is pretty good. Which doesn't help him on Itanium, where he performed his tests, as there is no Fast VM (nor "classic" for that matter). Whether the Hotspot JVM on IA64 is as good or better than the Alpha Fast VM I don't know, but the OP should really try his tests on Alpha and figure out whether he has a Java problem or an Itanium problem or some combination. Like everything else on Itanium, the JVM probably requires more memory than on Alpha. Supposedly IA64 images are three times as large as Alpha images, so memory requirements for JIT would also probably be much greater. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:29:45 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Guidance with OpenVMS IA64 8.3 with Java 1.5 Problems Message-ID: Craig A. Berry wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> In my experience Java works OK on VMS. >> >> If you: >> - specify FAST JVM >> - gives is lots of ressources >> it seems to work fine. >> >> The FAST JVM is pretty good. > > Which doesn't help him on Itanium, where he performed his tests, as > there is no Fast VM (nor "classic" for that matter). Whether the > Hotspot JVM on IA64 is as good or better than the Alpha Fast VM I don't > know, [...] Guy Peleg seems to have done extensive performance work with Java; in the slides of one of his talks at the German OpenVMS Tech Update Days[1] it says: "HotSpot on Itanium is *MUCH* better than FastVM on Alpha". cu, Martin [1] Online at http://de.openvms.org/TUD2007/Java_performance_on_OpenVMS.pdf and http://www.hp-user-society.de/sig/vms/TUD/2007/slides/JavaPerformanceonOpenVMS.pdf -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:46:36 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Mozilla default plugin configuration Message-ID: In article <1a05c$47185c60$cef8887a$9158@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > Some time ago, it was suggested that I remove the flash plug in for > Mozilla (VMS) since "The Inquirer"'s use of flash causes mozilla to crash. > > So I followed that suggestion, but now, 90% of web pages I visit cause > the "default plug in" dialog box to pop up, asking me to download a > plug-in. (which of course I know isn't available for VMS). > > Is there a way to configure Mozilla so that the default plug-in does not > prompt to try to attempt to doanload a plug it ? Under Helper Applications, uncheck the "Plug-in Finder Service" checkbox. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:20:58 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? Message-ID: <13hpfusnktr8g78@corp.supernews.com> "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:1192899580.253427.147790@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Yesterday I started my annual OpenVMS in my usual way: I restored a > total backup of our AS-4100 (development platform) to an AS-2100 > junker sitting in the corner then upgraded the 2100. The upgrade went > without incident and all my apps worked properly but I also noticed > that the second boot of OpenVMS-8.3 was noticably faster than 8.2 > > I was in a hurry (because our developers always scream when they can't > access the 4100) so I quickly upgraded the 4100 from 8.2 to 8.3 then > noticed the same thing: the second boot of 8.3 was noticably faster > than 8.2 > > I wished I would have measured the before + after boot times so I > could report some hard numbers. Has anyone else noticed this? > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > It may be faster but I can't say I noticed anything here. Since my last reboot dates back 8 months, it's not all that important. But I do know M$ made windoze boot much faster since XP, and with this kind of OS it is indeed a big plus, reboot being a prime windoze feature. Nevertheless, if VMS is to boot faster, then it probably means that overall it will also operate faster. And that's good ! My 2 cents Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 11:16:06 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS-8.3 boot speed-up? Message-ID: In article <1192899580.253427.147790@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > Yesterday I started my annual OpenVMS in my usual way: I restored a > total backup of our AS-4100 (development platform) to an AS-2100 > junker sitting in the corner then upgraded the 2100. The upgrade went > without incident and all my apps worked properly but I also noticed > that the second boot of OpenVMS-8.3 was noticably faster than 8.2 This would not be the first time that an update to VMS made things run faster. Of course, none was as impressive as rebooting my first Alpha! ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 08:04:32 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: <471c5990@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1193016964.680764.25920@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, David B Sneddon writes: >Sorry for the technical question but the Apache documentation leaves a >lot to be >desired with regard to *detail*. > >Situation is: > AlphaServer DS20 > OpenVMS V8.3 (fully patched as of last Friday) > CSWS V2.1-1 + CSWS211_UPDATE > CSWS_PERL V2.1 +CSWS_PERL21_UPDATE > PERL V5.8-6 + PERL586_UPDATE > >$ @sys$startup:apache$startup >Syntax error on line 13 of /apache$root/conf/mod_perl.conf: >Can't locate API module structure `perl_module' in file /apache$root/ >000000/modules/mod_perl.exe: function not implemented A well know error... I had it on V7.3-2 and V8.2, too. >$ dire apache$root:[modules]mod_perl.exe > >Directory APACHE$COMMON:[MODULES] > >MOD_PERL.EXE;1 394/396 21-OCT-2007 >21:16:59.12 > >Total of 1 file, 394/396 blocks. > >Can someone explain exactly what the above message means? >The module exists and an analysis of the executable reveals the >symbol "PERL_MODULE" does exist. > >I have a similar problem on another system but that one is referring >to a different module (log_config_module). > >Any assistance would be appreciated. I don't know the reason, but I "cured" mine last time by reinstalling CSWS and CSWS* from scratch (boy, how I hate this PC mentality) and it went away. I still have it on one machine to find out a better way to cure it. But alas, so far no time... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:50:53 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: In article <1193016964.680764.25920@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, David B Sneddon wrote: > Sorry for the technical question but the Apache documentation leaves a > lot to be > desired with regard to *detail*. > > Situation is: > AlphaServer DS20 > OpenVMS V8.3 (fully patched as of last Friday) > CSWS V2.1-1 + CSWS211_UPDATE > CSWS_PERL V2.1 +CSWS_PERL21_UPDATE > PERL V5.8-6 + PERL586_UPDATE What does $ show logical *perl* give you? > $ @sys$startup:apache$startup > Syntax error on line 13 of /apache$root/conf/mod_perl.conf: What exactly does line 13 of that file look like? > Can't locate API module structure `perl_module' in file /apache$root/ > 000000/modules/mod_perl.exe: function not implemented Any reason you've got the six zeros directory specified explicitly? Might not be a problem, but doesn't seem necessary. > $ dire apache$root:[modules]mod_perl.exe > > Directory APACHE$COMMON:[MODULES] > > MOD_PERL.EXE;1 394/396 21-OCT-2007 > 21:16:59.12 > > Total of 1 file, 394/396 blocks. > > Can someone explain exactly what the above message means? > The module exists and an analysis of the executable reveals the > symbol "PERL_MODULE" does exist. > > I have a similar problem on another system but that one is referring > to a different module (log_config_module). > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 11:34:20 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Rare job posting Message-ID: <5o3g5sFkfe9iU1@mid.individual.net> In article <471bb767$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Main, Kerry wrote: >> Well, something to keep in mind that is very high on the minds of the >> typical IT decision maker today.. forget the OS religion - either >> they drastically reduce the costs associated with their IT >> environment or they will be outsourced. >> >> Nothing complicated about that. Drastically reduce real IT costs (as > > opposed to perceived costs) or be outsourced. Period. > > Outsourcing is about people not about HW & SW. Outsourcing can be hardware, too. ADP has been doing it since before anyone ever heard of Bangalore (well, at least beyond the torpedo.) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:32:09 -0700 From: David B Sneddon Subject: Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: <1193034729.536242.48740@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com> It turns out that a logical was incorrectly defined... Only discovered when doing the PC remove/reinstall trick. Dave ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 2007 08:50:49 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: <471c6469$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1193034729.536242.48740@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, David B Sneddon writes: >It turns out that a logical was incorrectly defined... Which logical? And how/why? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:00:05 -0700 From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: Solved: Re: Problem with CSWS and Perl Message-ID: <1193036405.070301.199610@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com> On Oct 22, 6:50 am, pe...@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In article <1193034729.536242.48...@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, David B Sneddon writes: > > >It turns out that a logical was incorrectly defined... > > Which logical? And how/why? > > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER The software would normally be installed using a /destination=software qualifier. The software logical points to a directory on the system disk. When Perl was originally installed on this machine, the system disk was not ODS-5 so it was installed on another disk but where the directory structure was the same as that on the system disk. The perl_root logical was pointing to the directory on the non-system disk. When I upgraded perl to 5.8-6 I changed the logical but only changed the directory name and missed the fact that it was on a different disk... I'll know better next time. Dave ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.578 ************************