INFO-VAX Mon, 29 Oct 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 592 Contents: Business direcotry Re: Disapearing file ! Re: Disapearing file ! Re: EST Fubar Re: free space on disk is not correct Re: free space on disk is not correct Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: Martin Fink Webcast Re: Newbie directory protection question Re: Pathworks vs CIFS performance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:12:50 -0000 From: "digbanner.com" Subject: Business direcotry Message-ID: <1193667170.492393.97940@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com> submit your website here. www.digbanner.com it is free. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:55:16 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: <1e686$472583d5$cef8887a$30762@TEKSAVVY.COM> Martin Vorlaender wrote: > DFU > SEARCH > /LBN=logical-block-number Thanks. That is pretty cool. I found out that the file which overwrote my data was created today at 18:52. So I blame it all on Peter Weaver who posted the link to DIVX at 20:54... If it had posted it earlier, I might have been able to recover that .COM file.... that was zapped 2 hours and 2 minutes before :-) ;-) :-) :-) ;-) Net time though, that information will come in really really handy ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:32:34 -0000 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Disapearing file ! Message-ID: <1193657554.288381.265260@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Oct 28, 9:03 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Peter Weaver wrote: > >> Stubbe's DIX (every VMS system should have DFU, DIX and Kermit installed as > > soon as possible) fromhttp://oooovms.dyndns.org/you can get all the > > information that INDEXF had about the file; > > Many , Many, Many thanks for this. Yeah Fekko made some cool tools for files/rms. DIX can read RMS index files faster than RMS can, and its analyze data is very good also. > Used TPU to edit INDEXF.SYS , located the MOZILLA.COM;5 record (line > 37073 :-) and then with DIX, I was able to get it to that record and > display all the attributes. I don't get it. Earlier you indicated that you could not locate the file with: >> $ search/stat/window=0 $11$dqb0:[000000]indexf.sys mozilla.com So how can TPU/DIX find it? Or was the mozilla.com not its real name? Was teh name split for 20 bytes (FI2$T_FILENAME) and the rest in the 80 byte FI2$T_FILENAMEXT ? btw 1.. I use SEARCH/NUM/NON for such tasks. btw 2... If you ever need to grab the data from an LBN, and not just dump, then consider: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/rms_tools/bonus/copy_lbn.c Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:19:38 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: EST Fubar Message-ID: <1193660378.799926.303300@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Oct 29, 9:03 pm, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Neil Rieck wrote: > >> Timezone FYI, > > >> This morning (Sunday Oct 28) I got a call about a Solaris application > >> that desided to transition from EDT to EST a week early. > > > Couple weeks ago, I installed a new thermostat to save energy. The > > PDF I have foudn on the net provided listing of the "register" values > > that could be set and had 0 for no automatic DST, and 1 for automatic > > DST. So I set it to "1" since I had just bought this thermostat and > > figured it would be according to current rules of EST/DST. > > > It changed time this morning anyways. This time, I checked the printed > > manual to get the register number so I could disable it, and low and > > behold, the printed manual showed a possible value of 2 for DST > > changes for 2007 and beyond ! > > > Interesting that the printed manual had been updated, but not the > > on-line PDFs ! > > Today I looked at my SQLServer Job logs, there was a job scheduled for 03:00 > this morning, which of course started on time, but finished before it > started. This resulted in a VERY bizarre duration value in the log. > > Dr. Dweeb So tell us this bizarre value! Unless it was just a negative time. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:51:32 -0700 From: magalettac@hotmail.com Subject: Re: free space on disk is not correct Message-ID: <1193669492.402722.125830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> The drives are off be huge amounts, Example I have set them up as 25gbyte drives, Monday morning the drive had roughly 24gbytes free Tuesday it was down to 2 gbytes free, I know nothing was running on the disk and there were no files open. The only thing I did was reboot the box at some point on Monday, as soon as I dism/mount the disk all was back to normal ? Thanks for any input.... David J Dachtera wrote: > magalettac@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I have recently built a 2 node itanium cluster, the disks are > > controlled by dual eva's, I have notice over the past few weeks that > > free disk space is not being calculated correctly on the drives from > > time to time. A set vol/rebuild and an anal/disk/repair does not fix > > the counters the only way to get the disk back to seeing correct > > amount of free space is to dismount drive and then remount it. The > > operating system is VMS 8.3, anyone seen this before is there a known > > fix out there somewhere..... > > Does ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR show any files marked for deletion prior to the > DISMOUNT/reMOUNT? > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2007 11:41:56 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: free space on disk is not correct Message-ID: <6eumGkWJGNtV@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1193669492.402722.125830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, magalettac@hotmail.com writes: > The drives are off be huge amounts, > Example I have set them up as 25gbyte drives, > Monday morning the drive had roughly 24gbytes free > Tuesday it was down to 2 gbytes free, I know nothing was running > on the disk and there were no files open. The only thing I did was > reboot > the box at some point on Monday, as soon as I dism/mount the disk all > was back > to normal ? > Next time, maybe try show device/files from every node that has the disk mounted so you can be sure you're sure. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:14:15 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: On 10/28/07 12:52, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> It's *not* rocket science. DEC engineers figured out 23 years ago >> how to do a "hot" backup of a relational database. (It just a read >> only transaction...) >> > > It's not the R/O trans as such that is the key here. > > It's the way the R/O trans is run, that is in an > non-locking, repateable-read transaction. Very > few other DBMS's can do that, they lack whatever > is needed in the engine (like the snapshot > handling). MS SQLserv can't. MySQL can't (if you > don't shadow the whole database...) I'll repeat it again, but in terms specific to your reply: SERIALIZABLE read only transactions are not rocket science. DEC engineers figured it out 23 years ago. Probably even longer than that, depending on when DBMS-32 was released. (Since DBMS and Rdb share the same KODA engine.) Maybe even DBMS-11 also had SERIALIZABLE read only transactions? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:23:33 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <47258aa5$0$21924$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Ron Johnson wrote: > On 10/28/07 12:52, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> It's *not* rocket science. DEC engineers figured out 23 years ago >>> how to do a "hot" backup of a relational database. (It just a read >>> only transaction...) >>> >> >> It's not the R/O trans as such that is the key here. >> >> It's the way the R/O trans is run, that is in an >> non-locking, repateable-read transaction. Very >> few other DBMS's can do that, they lack whatever >> is needed in the engine (like the snapshot >> handling). MS SQLserv can't. MySQL can't (if you >> don't shadow the whole database...) > > I'll repeat it again, but in terms specific to your reply: > SERIALIZABLE read only transactions are not rocket science. DEC > engineers figured it out 23 years ago. > > Probably even longer than that, depending on when DBMS-32 was > released. (Since DBMS and Rdb share the same KODA engine.) > > Maybe even DBMS-11 also had SERIALIZABLE read only transactions? I do not have Rdb :( It may not be rocket science, but the capability requires lots of stuff designed in the engine (like Rdb). SQLServer2005 has a form of RO transaction, but that is only part of the solution to part of the problem. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:25:35 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <47258b1e$0$21928$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dr. Dweeb [mailto:spam@dweeb.net] >> Sent: October 29, 2007 8:57 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young >> > > [snip..] > >> btw - we don't do Java, we do .NET and all the stuff that goes with >> it (IIS, >> c# etc. etc.) >> >> In the end it would be a question of money and how willing the board >> would >> be to pay for the security and operational advantages another >> environment >> would offer. Not very, I suspect. >> >> Dweeb >> > > Sorry, could not resist .. before anyone will admit to past mistakes, > it usually takes > an incident like Skype (few days downtime - how would you like to > tell the board why > your company was down for 2 days) or any number of other public > incidents, before the > board forces IT to re-consider. > > http://tinyurl.com/38upcr > Skype: It was all Microsoft's fault > > http://tinyurl.com/2plncm > "More than 220 million users were without a service yesterday after > the hugely successful > system developed what the outfit initially called a 'software error'. > Since Skype is made > up entirely of software such an announcement was as useful as a > chocolate teapot and > angered may users who have based their businesses on the software." > > http://tinyurl.com/379ywl > Russian PDF attacks surge; Microsoft takes blame > "The reason Microsoft is involved is that while the current attacks > are based on > malformed PDFs, the real vulnerability lies in Windows XP and Windows > Server 2003 code, > not in Adobe's" > > Lots of other recent examples, but you know all this anyway .. > > However, on the positive side: > http://www.vista-control.com/itanium_success.htm > Los Alamos, February 15th. 2007 After implementing mission-critical > systems on Windows- > based computers for many years, a customer experienced a virus in one > of these systems > that shut down production for two days while the infected systems > were diagnosed, > restored and tested. The impact was that plant production was > severely impacted at no > small cost. Despite internal opposition because of the established > standard, Vsystem > on HP Itanium servers running OpenVMS was chosen for the next system > to be replaced." > > :-) > > Yeah, your singing to the choir. But I cannot "cause" such an event, in fact my job is to prevent it. The better I do my job, the less likely it is to happen, and less likely ... you get the idea. > Regards > > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 2007 07:39:52 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: In article <7dd80f60710261225j23705bd4h4538518023f2362@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: > > It's out on the main hp.com page right now. :) You will see it if the > "Large Enterprise Business" tab is active. Dang. I had a hard time finding it. It's at the top of the page in BIG LETTERS, the last place I looked! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:20:48 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: On 10/28/07 21:22, Main, Kerry wrote: [snip] > > Sorry, could not resist .. before anyone will admit to past mistakes, it usually takes > an incident like Skype (few days downtime - how would you like to tell the board why > your company was down for 2 days) or any number of other public incidents, before the > board forces IT to re-consider. > > http://tinyurl.com/38upcr > Skype: It was all Microsoft's fault > > http://tinyurl.com/2plncm > "More than 220 million users were without a service yesterday after the hugely successful > system developed what the outfit initially called a 'software error'. Since Skype is made > up entirely of software such an announcement was as useful as a chocolate teapot and > angered may users who have based their businesses on the software." > > http://tinyurl.com/379ywl > Russian PDF attacks surge; Microsoft takes blame > "The reason Microsoft is involved is that while the current attacks are based on > malformed PDFs, the real vulnerability lies in Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 code, > not in Adobe's" > > Lots of other recent examples, but you know all this anyway .. And let's not forget why Linux is such a favorite of evildoers: it's so stable, people rarely reboot it, and memory-resident malware (usualy botnet controllers) can run unknown for months. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:50:30 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <7dd80f60710261225j23705bd4h4538518023f2362@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >> It's out on the main hp.com page right now. :) You will see it if the >> "Large Enterprise Business" tab is active. > > Dang. I had a hard time finding it. It's at the top of the page in > BIG LETTERS, the last place I looked! > He he. :-) That actualy happend to me also. In fact I swapped between the front page and the specific "Large Enterprise Business" page *several times* and could not understand why they had used the same guy for that front-page banner before I say that it actualy *was* the VMS banner... :-) :-) I was looking for some small text-based info/link. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:57:31 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Johnson [mailto:ron.l.johnson@cox.net] > Sent: October 29, 2007 9:21 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young > > On 10/28/07 21:22, Main, Kerry wrote: > [snip] > > > > Sorry, could not resist .. before anyone will admit to past mistakes, > it usually takes > > an incident like Skype (few days downtime - how would you like to > tell the board why > > your company was down for 2 days) or any number of other public > incidents, before the > > board forces IT to re-consider. > > > > http://tinyurl.com/38upcr > > Skype: It was all Microsoft's fault > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2plncm > > "More than 220 million users were without a service yesterday after > the hugely successful > > system developed what the outfit initially called a 'software error'. > Since Skype is made > > up entirely of software such an announcement was as useful as a > chocolate teapot and > > angered may users who have based their businesses on the software." > > > > http://tinyurl.com/379ywl > > Russian PDF attacks surge; Microsoft takes blame > > "The reason Microsoft is involved is that while the current attacks > are based on > > malformed PDFs, the real vulnerability lies in Windows XP and Windows > Server 2003 code, > > not in Adobe's" > > > > Lots of other recent examples, but you know all this anyway .. > > And let's not forget why Linux is such a favorite of evildoers: it's > so stable, people rarely reboot it, and memory-resident malware > (usualy botnet controllers) can run unknown for months. > > -- > Ron Johnson, Jr. > Jefferson LA USA > > Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. > Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! Re: Linux .. yep, many Linux folks like to beat up on Microsoft and ignore = the fact that it itself is a huge risk from all of the monthly security patches rele= ased each and every month. They have been bitten big time by the hype bug. [Oct, 2007 - 25 Linux security patches this month alone] https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/ (click on thread for each month and add them up) See previous discussions on this. Yes, not all apply, and yes some are App = and not platform, but if the end result is the same i.e. elevated priv's or access = to unauthorized data, then it does not matter if it is an App or platform secu= rity patch. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:32:52 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Message-ID: <1193675572.200164.218940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Anne McQ letter about the anniversary http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/annmcquaid.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:40:58 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Martin Fink Webcast Message-ID: In article <1193520143.325928.304970@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: >On Oct 27, 3:21 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Ok, there is one comment I cannot resist because this appears to be a >> new spin at HP. >> >> I was startled by Fink's comments about VMS customers not wanting >> regular/frequent software upgrades. >> >> Once HP management accepts the brainwahsing that VMS customers don't >> want upgrades, it becomes far easier for them to slow down VMS >> development to include only support for new devices. >> >> Very dangerous slope. > >JF, > >The response about "... do want to update their software environments >on a regular basis." was in response to a question about open source >software. > >Many open source projects are in a continuous state of flux, versions >appear in some cases on a weekly basis. It is my opinion, reading the >document from the Encompass www server that Mr. Fink's comments in >that regard are correct. The production community does not, in my >experience, want to deal with new component versions on a frequent >basis. This is not about fixes for known problems, these are new >releases with both fixes and new features. > However for open source projects HP should be feeding back any specific VMS changes so that, in general, anyone who wants to build a later version than that directly supplied by HP should have a reasonable chance of it working anyway. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Having had clients where the supported environment is in a constant >state of flux, it is extraordinarily frustrating production >experience. > >I would not interpret this comment negatively, it is a comment >directly in response to a particular question, and is, IMHO, a >reasonable response to that question. > >- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:42:32 GMT From: VMS is Virus Free Subject: Re: Newbie directory protection question Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:19:01 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: >With NFS having screwed with some directroy protection on my system, and >after Mozilla screwed with some of my files, it started to ussue plenty >of file protection OPCOM messages about directory files, I need to >review this. > >Is is correct to state that 000000.DIR should be: > >000000.DIR;1 [1,1] (RWED,RWED,RE,E) > Normal protection on the MFD would be (RWE,RWE,RE,E). Generally speaking, you should not allow Delete on any directory file, but in particular NOT on the Master File Directory. While it doesn't really hurt anything, it would be better to do a $ set security /prot=(s:rwe,o:rwe,g:re,w:e) 000000.dir to remove the delete privilege on this file. > >Also, say I have user's login as: > >$disk2:[users.jdoe] > >What protection should $disk2:[000000]users.dir have ? > Same as the just suggested: S:RWE, O:RWE, G:RE, W:E >I don't want to have janedoe be able to do a DIR $DISK2:[USERS] to find >out which other usernames exist on that system by looking at all the >user sys$loin directories). > Set your USERS directory to only have E access. That way, it will prevent browsing of all the subdirectories under it. $ set security /prot=(w:e) $disk2:[000000]users.dir > >Is it correct to state that: > >$disk2:[users]jdoe.dir should belong to jdoe, that he should have rwe >acces to it, and the world/group should have no access to it ? > It is correct the you, as the owner of your home directory, have RWE access to it. As to whether or not you want to allow your group or the world to have any access is up to you. Normal is G:RE and W:E or perhaps no World access at all. That is really up to you and what you want/need for a given directory. > >If I, as jdoe do a $DIR $disk2:[users.jdoe] what access do I need to >[000000]users.dir ? Minimal access to USERS.DIR is Execute: you can see the contents of this file IF you already know the filename. Sometimes, it makes sense to have either the Group or World to have RE (Read, Execute) which allows browsing and file access. Either way is fine; it just depends on your needs and the purpose of a given directory file. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:46:45 GMT From: VMS is Virus Free Subject: Re: Pathworks vs CIFS performance Message-ID: <2tabi3hf7escaeptgbn4cd0aj8r7csjtei@4ax.com> Do you know if you can run both Pathworks and CIFS at the same time? If so, this might allow a second path to VMS files from Windows, effectly doubling the bandwidth since both Pathworks and CIFS are tied to the max performance of a single CPU. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.592 ************************