INFO-VAX Mon, 31 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 718 Contents: Re: FLIST Installation and Setup M$ IE implementation of MD5 Digest M'I-5 Persecution M I5 a re Afrai d to Admi t T heyre Behi nd th e Per secuti M'I`5 Persecut ion ' No Just ice for th e Victims of MI 5 M.I,5`Persecution . Mo lestation durin g Travel M`I,5-Per secution ` M I5 H ave Systemat ically D estroyed My Life online dating with modern girs near you'r place OT: More daylight savings hassles Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Re: Sigma Information Systems circuit board Unsupported three-architecture cluster Re: Unsupported three-architecture cluster What Is Linux? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:35:20 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: FLIST Installation and Setup Message-ID: <4778F018.60804@comcast.net> Chuck Moore wrote: > Richard -- Thanks. I ran the LINK command against FLIST (which is a > directory navagation program (http://invisible-island.net/flist/ > flist.html). Here's what I got : > $ link > FLIST.obj > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 1 is > illegal (67. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 2 is > illegal (213 > 31.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 3 is > illegal (0.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 4 is > illegal (0.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 5 is > illegal (0.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 6 is > illegal (80. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 7 is > illegal (102 > 4.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 8 is > illegal (105 > 3.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 9 is > illegal (650 > 56.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 10 is > illegal (10 > 44.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 11 is > illegal (12 > 8.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 12 is > illegal (32 > .) > %LINK-W-SEQNCE, illegal record > sequence > in module file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ; > 1 > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 14 is > illegal (27 > 482.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 15 is > illegal (52 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 16 is > illegal (20 > 310.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 17 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 18 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 19 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 20 is > illegal (21 > 587.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 21 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 22 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 23 is > illegal (1. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 24 is > illegal (1. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 25 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 26 is > illegal (1. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 27 is > illegal (20 > 5.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 28 is > illegal (10 > 55.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 29 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 30 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 31 is > illegal (32 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 32 is > illegal (81 > 92.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 33 is > illegal (60 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 34 is > illegal (21 > 840.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 35 is > illegal (0. > ) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 36 is > illegal (54 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 37 is > illegal (15 > 0.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 38 is > illegal (64 > 756.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 39 is > illegal (20 > 62.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 40 is > illegal (14 > 808.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 41 is > illegal (12 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 42 is > illegal (58 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 43 is > illegal (15 > 080.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 44 is > illegal (17 > .) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 45 is > illegal (75 > 2.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 46 is > illegal (15 > 616.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 47 is > illegal (20 > 50.) > %LINK-W-RECTYP, file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 record 48 is > illegal (77 > 0.) > %LINK-W-NOEOM, no end-of-module record > found > in module file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ; > 1 > %LINK-W-SEQNCE, illegal record > sequence > in module file DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ; > 1 > %LINK-W-EMPTYFILE, no modules found in file DKB100: > [WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.OBJ;1 > %LINK-W-USRTFR, image DKB100:[WORKAREA.FLIST]FLIST.EXE;2 has no user > transfer ad > dress > > ... doesn't look good. > > Chuck It looks as if the object file has been corrupted somehow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:06:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: M$ IE implementation of MD5 Digest Message-ID: I have a VMS app that I have incorporated with MD5 Digest Authentication. It works like a champ on virtually every MODERN web browser I have tested save for M$IE. V5, V6 and V7 all fail. I been googling for details as I did find that there's an issue with M$IE and a query string when there is MD5 Digest involved. Since there is such a knowledgeable base here with M$IE as well as network security, I was wondering if anybody knows what it is that M$IE does wrong in its implementation of MD5 Digest. I've found pointers to discussion of Apache having a "hack" parameter to make MD5 function with M$IE but I can not seem to find any details about what it is that is passed between M$IE and server that is problematic and or how to hack around it. The M$ site database has been pretty useless in my searches too. Any pointers welcome... and, hopefully for all, a Happy New Year. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2007 08:45:28 GMT From: ivfififmf@gmail.com Subject: M'I-5 Persecution M I5 a re Afrai d to Admi t T heyre Behi nd th e Per secuti Message-ID: MI5 are Afraid. to Admit They're Behind the Persecution MI5 have issued a formal denial of any involvement. in my life to the Security Service Tribunal, as you might expect. them to; but, more importantly, the persecutors. have never denied that theyre from the Security. Service, despite several years of accusations from my corner on usenet and in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the Security. Service Tribunal found "no. determination in your favour". I am however a little surprised that the. persecutors have refused to confirm my identification of them; by doing so, they implicitly. admit that my guess was right. "No. determination in your favour" says the Security Service Tribunal In 1997, I made a complaint to the Security. Service Tribunal, giving only the bare outlines of. my case. I do not think it would have made very much difference if Id made a. much more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal has no ability to perform investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5. if they have an interest in a subject,. to which MI5 are of course free to be "economical with. the truth". A couple of months after my complaint the Tribunal. replied that; The Security Service Tribunal. have now investigated your complaint and have asked me to inform you that no determination in. your favour has been made on. your complaint. Needless to say this reply didnt. surprise me in the slightest. It is a well. established fact that the secret service are a den of liars and the Tribunal a toothless watchdog, so to see them conforming. to these stereotypes. might be disappointing but unsurprising. It is noteworthy. that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information on whether the "no. determination in your favour" is because MI5 claims to have no interest in him, or. whether they claim their interest is "justified". In the 1997 report of the Security. Service Commissioner he writes that "The. ambiguity of the terms in which the notification of the Tribunals decision is expressed. is intentional", since a less ambiguous answer would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were. indeed under MI5 surveillance. But I note that the ambiguity also allows MI5. to get away with lying to the question of their interest in me; they. can claim to the Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future date, when. it becomes clear that they did indeed. place me under surveillance and harassment, they can claim their interest was "justified". - and the Tribunal will presumably not admit. that in their previous reply MI5 claimed to have no interest. "He doesnt. know who we are" In early January 1996 I flew on. a British Airways jet from London to Montreal; also. present on the plane, about three or four rows behind me, were two young men, one of them. fat and voluble, the other silent. It was quite clear that these two had been planted on. the aircraft to "wind me up".. The fat youth described the town in Poland where I had spent Christmas, and. made some unpleasant personal slurs against me. Most interestingly,. he said the words, "he doesnt know who we are". Now I find this. particular form of words very interesting, because while it is not a clear admission, it. is only a half-hearted attempt at denial of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had. my guess been wrong, the fat youth would. surely have said so more clearly. What he was trying to do was to half-deny something he knew to be true, and. he was limited to making statements which he knew to be not false; so. he made a lukewarm denial which on the face of it means nothing, but in. fact acts as a confirmation of my guess. of who "they" are. On one of the. other occasions when I saw the persecutors in person, on the BA flight to Toronto in. June 1993, one of the group of four men said, "if he tries to run away well. find him". But the other three stayed totally quiet and avoided eye contact. They did. so to avoid being apprehended and identified - since if they were identified, their. employers would have been revealed, and it would become known that it. was the secret services who were. behind the persecution. Why are MI5 So Afraid to admit. their involvement? If you think about it, what has been going on in. Britain for the last nine years is simply. beyond belief. The British declare themselves to be "decent" by definition, so when they engage. in indecent activities such as the persecution of a mentally ill person,. their decency "because were British" is. still in the forefront of their minds, and a process of mental doublethink kicks. in, where their antisocial and indecent activities are blamed on the victim. "because its his fault were persecuting him", and their self-regard and self-image of decency remains. untarnished. As remarked in another article some time ago, this process is. basically the same as a large number. of Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic "untermenschen" and the. Jewish "threat" - the Germans declared, "Germans are known to be decent and the minorities are at. fault for what we do to them" - so they were. able to retain the view of themselves as being "decent". Now suppose. this entire episode had happened in some other country. The British have a poor view of the French, so lets say it had. all happened in France. Suppose there was a. Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was targeted by the French internal security. apparatus, for the dubious amusement of French television newscasters,. and tortured for 9 years with various sexual and other verbal abuse and taunts of "suicide".. Suppose this all came out into the. open. Naturally, the French authorities would try hard to place. the blame on their victim - and in their own country, through the same state-controlled media which the authorities. employ as instruments of torture, their view might. prevail - but what on earth would people overseas make. of their actions? Where would their "decency" be then? This is why MI5 are. so afraid to admit theyre behind the persecution.. Because if they did admit responsibility, then they would be admitting that there was an action against me - and if the truth came. out, then the walls would come tumbling down.. And if the persecutors were to admit they were. from MI5, then you can be sure I would report the fact; and the persecutors support. would fall away, among the mass media as well as. among the general public. When I started identifying MI5 as the persecutors in 1995 and 1996 there was. a sharp reduction in media harassment, since people. read my internet newsgroup posts and knew I was telling the truth. The persecutors cannot deny my claim that. theyre MI5, because then I would report their. denial and they would be seen as liars - but they cannot admit. it either, as that would puncture their campaign against me. So they are forced to maintain a ridiculous silence on. the issue of their identity, in the face of. vociferous accusations on internet newsgroups and. faxed articles. Have MI5 lied to the. Home Secretary? In order for the Security Services to bug. my home, they would either have needed a. warrant from the Home Secretary, or they might have instituted the bugging. without a warrant. Personally I think it is more likely that they didnt apply for a warrant - I. cannot see any Home Secretary giving MI5 authority. to bug a residence to allow television newscasters to satisfy. their rather voyeuristic needs vis-a-vis one of their audience. But it is possible that the Security Service presented. a warrant in some form before a home secretary at some. point in the last nine years, for telephone tapping or surveillance of my residence,. or interception of postal. service. So the possibility presents itself that a. Home Secretary might have signed a warrant presented to him based on MI5 lies.. Just as MI5 lie to the Security Service Tribunal, so they might have lied to a. Home Secretray himself. MI5 and MI6 are naturally secretive services. former home secretary Roy. Jenkins said, they have a "secretive atmosphere ... secretive vis-a-vis the government as well as [enemies]".. Jenkins also said he "did. not form a very high regard for how they discharged their. duties". It was only a few years. ago that MI5 was brought into any sot the extraordinary thing is. that British media organisations like the state- and taxpayer-funded BBC take. such an active part in the MI5-inspired campaign of harassment. We have. after all heard of MI5 trying to bribe broadcast journalists;. but surely there must be a substantial number who are not bought. or blackmailed by the Security Services, and who take part in the "abuse by. newscasters" of their own volition? The BBC is supposed to be independent of the government of the day. as well as the Establishment in general. While perhaps it is. childish to think that the BBC. is anything other than effectively state-controlled, the degree of collusion between the. BBC and the British Secret Police MI5 is something you would not. find in many countries. Individual tele-journalists in other countries would. have enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to be controlled by their secret police - seemingly,. BBC broadcasters like Martyn Lewis and Nicholas Witchell have such. a low opinion of their employing organisation that they see. no wrong in dragging the BBCs no-longer-good name through yet. more mud, at the mere request (whether supported by financial. or other inducements) of the British secret Police, MI5. And when challenged, these broadcasters LIE. about their involvement, with just as little shame as MI5 themselves. The BBCs. Information dept have said. that; "I can assure you that the BBC would never engage in. any form of surveillance activity. such as you describe" which is an out-and-out lie.. Buerk and Lewis have themselves lied to their colleagues in the BBCs Information department. over the "newscaster watching", but unsurprisingly they refuse to. put these denials in writing. Doubtless if the. "newscaster watching" ever comes to light, Buerk and Lewis will then. continue to lie by lying about these denials. So much for. the "impartial" BBC, a nest of liars bought and paid for by the Security. Services! It is obvious that the persecution is at. the instigation of MI5 themselves - they have read my. post, and only they have the surveillance technology and media/political. access. Yet they have lied outright to the Security Service Tribunal. Similarly,. BBC newscasters Michael Buerk and Martyn Lewis have lied to members of their own. organisation. The continuing harassment indicates they are all petrified of this business. coming out into the open. I will continue. to do everything possible to ensure that their. wrongdoing is exposed. 2113 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2007 09:04:53 GMT From: ifiemvi@hotmail.com Subject: M'I`5 Persecut ion ' No Just ice for th e Victims of MI 5 Message-ID: MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 11 June,. 1999 Harassment in a pub in Clapham, Tuesday. lunchtime Once a month, or once every. other month, I meet a Polish friends of mine who lives in Clapham North, and sometimes we go to a. particular pub near where he lives. The last time was some two months ago; I did. not have my minidisc-walkman. with me, and consequently was seriously harassed by people. MI5 had instructed to harass me, in the pub. This. Tuesday, 8 June 1999, we again went to the same pub for a pre-meal drink. This time. I did have my minidisc-walkman with me. As you can guess, we were followed into the pub. by a couple of young people (Im getting older and older - isnt it funny how the MI5 agents all look young. these days?). They started talking about my situation, in particular. some travel I had booked the previous day. Unfortunately, they. were talking fairly quietly,. and my minidisc didnt pick up their speech. MI5s schizophrenic reasoning. is that simultaneously I am very important and worthy of. their acts of persecution, and I am also totally unimportant and. their abuse of me "doesnt matter". Perhaps they should test their agents. and managers for obsessive personalities or psychotic features in the same way as employees. are drug-tested. MI5 might lose their "worst cases" employees if some psychological testing. were applied to their recruitment. procedure. Toothless. Watchdogs. What a Surprise. Recently I. have been engaging in communications with two watchdogs, the Security Service. Tribunal which deals with complaints against the security service (and always clears. MI5 of any wrongdoing), and the Data Protection Registrar,. which is mandated to investigate misuse of personal data held on. computer. In. a letter to Nick Brooks, Security Service Tribunal secretary, dated 20 April, I asked him. if the Tribunal, as an allegedly independent body, had the means. to investigate complaints against MI5 other than asking MI5 to themselves investigate. complaints. To my disappointment, his reply two weeks later answered the question only indirectly,. in the negative. Whatever. the reader might think of the merits of the case I have been. putting before you in faxed articles this last year and half, you will surely recognise that it is a significant anomaly for. the Tribunal to have no independent. means of investigating complaints, particularly given the view expressed even. by previous home secretaries that the security services. are untrustworthy. MI5 Persecution:. No Justice for the Victims of MI5 In a previous article I detailed the similarities. between the current MI5 Persecution in England, and other historical instances of. similar persecution, notably that. by the Nazi Germans in the thirties and forties. The Germans persecuted first the mentally ill, the epileptics. and those suffering from schizophrenia, then. moved on to racial groups; in todays Britain the persecution. is again directed at those with mental illness, which the British in their cowardice. find easier than taking on racial groups. as the Germans did. But just as in Thirties Germany there was no recourse against a malign and omnipotent state, so the. MI5 Secret Police in the modern British. Fascist State allow no justice for their victims. No Recourse. Against the Security Services Illegal Harassment It has become apparent to me. over the last nine years just how loaded the dice are in todays Britain,. a fundamentally fascist country which masquerades as a. democracy. Britain is a democracy in name only; the Establishment, the defence and MI5 secret. police are always there, regardless of which party has been voted into power most. recently - and from "New Labours" conduct in office one. finds it difficult to tell them apart from Old Tories,. in their crackdowns on the sick and vulnerable in society. In thirties Germany the victims. of the Nazi regime had no legal recourse against their. State oppressors; and in todays Fascist British state, the victims of. the Establishment and its MI5 Secret Police similarly have no recourse against the illegal. state-funded and organised oppression. There is supposed to. be a mechanism for dealing with MI5 crimes, in the shape of the Security Service Tribunal and Commissioner;. yet these have never found favour of a plaintiff. One might as well ask the. Nazi SS to investigate crimes against epileptics or Jews as. ask the Security Service Tribunal to investigate. MI5 crimes against British citizens; it is quite obvious what the answer. is going to be, regardless of what you say to them, and what evidence. you provide. The Tribunal and Commissioner are a mere formality, a whitewashing body to give. the Secret Services a veneer beneath which they. hide their shabby criminality. "Institutional Racism" and Bigotry in the. Metropolitan Police The recent inquiry into. the racist murder of Stephen Lawrence found clear evidence of systematic and deliberate racism in. the Metropolitan Police, which cannot have surprised. anyone. Commissioner Sir Paul Condon accepted a somewhat lukewarm definition of institutional. racism as being "unconscious". In. truth, and this truth must surely be obvious to anyone who. has any familiarity or encountered the great British police, the Met has not just "unconscious" racism, but very clearly. "conscious" and deliberate racism, of the kind that would have done Thirties. Germans proud. And it is a bastion of such open racism -. when many other parts of society are learning. to live in a multicultural environment, the Met is still. living in the past in its attitude to the minorities. But in addition to. the systematic racism confirmed by the Lawrence inquiry, there is also something much more relevant to this case,. which is systematic police bigotry against. the physically and mentally disabled, which I personally have. experienced in my dealings with the police over the years. You cannot expect equal treatment if. you are mentally disabled. I tried to. make a complaint to the police in 1995 about the harassment I had been. subjected to for several years. As soon as they found out I. had mental illness, they refused to even talk to me. I tried again in March 1999; the police. made various threats to me, while ranting about. "your paranoid rubbish" in reference to the complaints expressed to them. The police. refusal to do the job they are employed and paid to do is extremely. serious, particularly as this case is highly important, indeed key to the whole issue of. British self-perception at the end of the 20th century and the. beginning of the 21st century. Britain has lost much in the last fifty years - it has lost an empire, it has. lost its self-respect and its identity as a people.. If the MI5 persecution finally makes it into the light and the Security Services. are seen for the rather cheap bullies their behaviour indicates, it will have a massive and. harmful effect on British self-perception in the. new century. Security. Service Tribunal - Blatant Whitewashing A few weeks ago I. spoke on the phone to Nick Brooks, the Secretary of the Security Service Tribunal, which is supposed to deal. with cases of MI5 transgression. I asked him. if the Tribunal had ever found in favour of a plaintiff and against the Security. Service. He answered that as far as he knew, it. had not. I also asked. Mr Brooks if the Tribunal had any means of investigating allegations of criminal activity by MI5, other than asking MI5. themselves if they had engaged in such activity. His. rather circuitous written reply states that the 1989 Security Service. Act provides that "it shall be the duty of every member of the Service to disclose or give to the. Tribunal such documents or information. as they may require for the purpose of enabling them to carry out. their functions under this Act". Which is a very round-about way of saying - "No". - the Tribunal has no way of investigating MI5 crimes. - None At All. Setting up the S.S. Tribunal, and creating a. Security Service Commissioner, was really an. act of falsehood by the government. It is generally recognised that MI5 are out of. reach of the normal criminal justice system -. the police, as we have seen, have no intesot answer to the government; in a previous article I quoted Roy Jenkins speaking of. "a secretive atmosphere.... secretive vis-a-vis the. government as well as [enemies]", and a "lack of frankness". from MI5. If the government wanted to, it could reform the secret services. and ensure they acted in conformance with the laws. which have been enacted for them in the last ten years. But apparently the. present government does not see any. need to ensure security service compliance with the law. As noted above, the regulatory machinery for. MI5 is deliberately weak; the Tribunal has no independent means. of investigation, and it is simply a waste of time complaining to. the Tribunal or Commissioner. Every so often, fresh revelations come to light of secret. service transgressions. We have heard from. Shayler that MI5 bugged Jack Straw and Peter Mandelson; we have heard from Peter Wright that MI5 plotted to. see Wilson. ejected from office; yet so closed is the system of government that the law is never enforced against. MI5 when they "bug and burgle" everyone from politicians to. ordinary citizens. No Justice from the Legal System,. either Britain has a civil and criminal justice. system which effectively limits many complaints from being heard. For a civil complaint to be. brought before a court, you. need a solicitor willing to act on your behalf. Supposedly it is possible. to represent yourself as a Litigant-in-Pthe. basis of being "frivolous and vexatious" or "disclosing no cause for action in law". This is exactly what happened to. me in 1997 when I twice tried to take the BBC to court for spying on me in. my living room at home; my case was twice struck out, and on the. second occasion an order was made against me that I could not. bring further civil litigation against the BBC. without leave of the court. As the reader. can guess it is quite impossible for a person with schizophrenia, who complains about. the secret services and media interfering in his life, to. find a solicitor willing to represent him in legal action. against the persecutors. I have quite a lot of evidence of the continuing persecution which I have posted. on the website, even if the evidence is quite tentative and perhaps open to. varying interpretations. But I. have tried several firms of solicitors; some of them have acted unprofessionally and abused me;. all of them have refused to represent. me. My psychiatrist gave me the name of the firm of Bindman and Partners in central London, and I have approached them twice. On. each occasion they refused to accept my instructions.. Plainly the problem with Bindmans, which they have admitted, is. their bigotry against mentally disabled. people; yet this is not just something that is wrong with Bindmans, it is something that is wrong with the legal system. as a whole, since. the legal system necessitates finding a solicitor willing to represent you in order to bring a case to court, but it does. not have a mechanism for providing a lawyer in the case where no solicitor. is willing to take on your case. So the British. legal system is such as to prevent cases such as mine from ever receiving an. airing in a court. So much. for the civil courts. But the criminal justice system is no better. Two years ago the. Protection from Harassment Act came into force. But again, while the Act is all very well on paper,. in practice it is unenforceable in my case,. since it would require Police action to see the law implemented, and if the police cannot even be. trusted to conduct a murder investigation competently. (in the Lawrence case), then what chance is there of their. investigating complaints against the Security Service? Of course, it would be possible for me. to personally issue proceedings through. a private prosecution either against MI5 themselves, or against one or more. of their media tools; but here we see the same problems as with the. civil courts, because first of all I would have to find. a lawyer willing to act on my behalf. Litigants-in-person do exist in the criminal courts, but the. Attorney General can bring such a prosecution to an end by taking it over and entering a plea. of "nolle prossequi"; and I suspect that if I were to bring a private prosecution. against either MI5 or one of their media tools, then this is. exactly what would happen. So much for British justice. But. if anything the wrongs that have been perpetrated on me by the British justice system are quite mild. to what others have. suffered. Others have been wrongly convicted based on police evasions and lies, and spent many years in jail based on. false charges. I should count. myself lucky that despite the best efforts of the MI5 secret police, I have not acquired. any criminal charges or convictions; which shows that for all their resources. and influence, and the clear imperfections in the British legal system, there are still limits. on how much subversion. MI5 can achieve. The latest in a. long line of injustices A comment I heard during the recent scandal. of the police mishandling of the Lawrence murder investigation is that "its. not as if the police themselves murdered him". This is not a particularly. wise statement to make about the case, since it could be argued that the. four alleged murderers were aided in their crime. by the expectation that the police would deliberately botch the investigation - which of course. is exactly what the police. did. But in my. case, this would be a completely inaccurate thing to say - since the MI5 secret-police have expressly been trying to nine years now to. see an end put to my life,. either by having me incarcerated and my liberty ended, or. by forcing self-termination on me. It is exactly as if the secret police "themselves murdered [me]", since that is what. their aim is in their campaign against. me. The public has heard of instances of police mishandling of. cases, of police manufacturing evidence, lying in court,. extracting false confessions. to clear up crimes, et cetera. Various instances of extra-legal activity by the. secret services have also come to light in the last few years. The unhappy truth is that what MI5 have. been doing to me for the last nine years is really nothing. out of the ordinary for them. To me. it seems unbelievable that this sort of systematic campaign of harassment, which. thousands and thousands of people in this country and abroad are well aware of, could exist for such. a long period of time with the media maintaining "omerta". But my case is not the. first such instance of persecution by the "British secret police",. and judging by the lack of any real controls on MI5, I very much doubt it will. be the last. 3775 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2007 08:24:50 GMT From: iefmief@bigfoot.com Subject: M.I,5`Persecution . Mo lestation durin g Travel Message-ID: MI5 Persecution: Molestation. during Travel MI5s persecution of me varies in intensity. Since 1990 it has been. steady for perhaps 80% of the time; there was a notable quiet period in. 1993, and another quiet. period in Jan-Feb 1995, as well as a hiatus in the first two months of 1999. It puzzles me that. they cease and restart, seemingly without any logic or. reason. But one aspect of MI5s activities against me which is relatively. predictable is this weeks articles topic, which is Molestation during Travel. Almost every time I cross the Atlantic,. go to the Continent or even try to enjoy. a holiday in this country, you can bet that MI5 will be there doing their utmost. to wreck it all. This aspect of the. harassment is particularly relevant as I will be travelling to Europe again in a months time,. with naturally the Minidisc recorder in tow; so it will be interesting to see if I can. record the abuse which will almost certainly take place, either on the Tube going. to the. airport, at the airport, on the flight, in the terminal building - MI5 have previously instituted instances of abuse at each of these. locations, so well see how much taxpayers. money they waste this time, and whether it will prove possible to. capture their abuse on minidisc. Read about the MI5 Persecution on the. Web June 1992 in Polands. mountain resort of Zakopane The persecution started in June 1990, and. for the first two years I stayed in the. UK apart from a couple of brief day trips to Calais. By the summer of 1992 Id. had enough of being cooped up in England with abusive fellow employees egged on by an abusive secret police. service, and decided to spend 10 days in southern Poland, on what was intended to be a. holiday at the mountain resort town. of Zakopane. Unfortunately the psychopaths. of the Security Service were not willing to allow me to enjoy a holiday in peace and quiet. The journey to. Zakopane was by coach from the meeting point at Londons Victoria. coach station (National Express) followed by ferry. followed by another coach across Europe. As we left Victoria. a youth and his girlfriend started a loud tirade of abuse directed at. "this bloke", where the "bloke" was never named, but it. was very clear that the "bloke" was myself. The youth said "they" had "found somebody from his school, and he was. always really stressed at school,. a real psycho". Again, the label "they" was not elaborated on, but it was clear that. "they" = the persecutors from MI5. The boy also said, "he was. in a bed and breakfast for only one night and they got him". By a not unexpected coincidence I had. been in a B&B in Oxford a week previously, which had been booked. from work; other things lead me to the conclusion that the company's offices were. bugged for most of the 2. 1/2 years that I was there, so "they" would have known a room in the B&B had been booked. After a few minutes of. this I went back to where they were sitting and asked where they were travelling.. The boy named a village in France, and the girl's. giggling suddenly ceased; presumably it permeated to her brain cell what the. purpose of the boy's abuse was. It is now very clear to me that MI5 were trying to have me. incarcerated, assaulted or killed on this trip across. Europe. The degree of verbal violence inescapably leads to this conclusion. When we arrived at. our destination, it became clear that many people,. both in our tour group and its guide, and among the ordinary residents of. the town, knew there was a movement under. way to "get" me. MI5 employed many people and significant resources for an. action which they knew would only take a maximum of ten days. A commercial operation would never have felt able to waste. such resources on such an. unproductive and temporary action; only a state-sponsored, taxpayer-funded entity like the. Security Service would be able to. be so wasteful. To. give some examples of what happened in those ten days; I was walking in some. woods outside the town, when a Polish woman, looking at me, said the English "shit" in. a strongly Polish-accented voice. For the first three years 1990-92. MI5 had been trying to force this word on me. Another example; I was walking near my "hotel" when a mother said. laughing to her child, "a wiesz ze to prawdziwy wariat". which means "you know hes a real madman". And the "TV reacting" happened there too; on. Polish TV, a bemused looking journalist said to another, "to jest sprawa. Anglikow", which means "its the concern. of the English", in other words, none of our business, despite what the English are trying. to force down our throats. Just before we left for home, I went with some others from our group to. a nearby bar. There a man shouted. at me the same sexual obscenity which MI5 have constantly thrown at me these last three years. I think MI5. try to justify their various terms of abuse by. repeating them at me until I say them, either while conscious or. while talking in my sleep; and then they seize on. my saying those words to "prove" that the obscenities are "my fault", et cetera.. This rather stupid reasoning of theirs can actually be seen as indicative of the psychopathic condition attributed. to them in a previous. article; blaming the victim for the crime you inflict on him is how psychopaths. think. Nor did the persecutors let up during. the return trip. Returning on the ferry over. the channel, a rather insalubrious-looking guy talked to his mates about "and you know. this bloke, hes really mad you know, hes really mad". On the National Express return. coach to London, a group of five or six young people started shouting at me. I slumped. in my seat and tried to avoid presenting a target,. so they got ever more strident - "whats the matter with you, cant you hear us?". One of the other people who had been on the trip to Poland asked them why they were. shouting at me, and they said, "hes been to Cambridge", to which the co-holidayer asked them,. "have you been to Cambridge?" presumably thinking they were aggrieved. fellow students, but they answered "no".. Even after I left the coach at Elephant and Castle abuse continued; in the tube station, two. kids started throwing abuse. at me; one of them said to the other, "and you know he works?" to which the other answered. "yes". Immediate. Aftermath of November 1992 As you will know from previous. articles, my manager at OCG - ARIS/Oxford, Mr Mitchell, induced a. mental breakdown in me in the months leading up to Nov/92. The diagnosis was regarded by the persecutors as a victory. for them, because few if. any people give credence to allegations of harassment when they are made by somebody suffering from schizophrenia. There. is also a bias against the mentally ill, an "institutionalised bigotry". in society comparable to. the institutionalised racism against blacks. However, MI5 did. not let up on persecuting me following Nov/92. In December 1992. I flew by charter jet to Alicante in Spain for two weeks recuperation. MI5 planted one of their people. on the flight, a youth who tried to start some noises that "hes a nutter". One of the. other passengers replied, "oh hes a nutter is he? oh well!" and the. youth shut up and said nothing for the rest of the flight. I think it. would be fair to say that. the youth on the flight was embarrassed by what he had been asked. to do in making the flight "uncomfortable" for me; he sounded defensive rather than. aggressive. My first trip to Canada. in June 1993 Ive already covered this in a previous article so Ill just give. a brief summary here. On 10 June 1993 I flew British Airways from Heathrow. to Torontos Pearson Airport. On de-planing from the. aircraft, one of a group of four. fellow passengers looked at me and said, laughing, "if he tries to run away well. find him". It was quite obvious that these four men were the ones who had been. harassing me since 1990. I did nothing to. apprehend them or bring this incident to the attention of the airport authorities, mostly because this was my very first visit. to Canada, and the last thing I wanted was to get into a dispute. before I had even finished disembarking. In retrospect, I can. see this was a terrible mistake; I should have made every effort to detain. and identify these people. Subsequently I have. made numerous attempts to obtain the names of these people from British Airways passenger lists, by talking to. BA, through a lawyer in Ontario, through. a solicitor in England, through the UK police, and also through private detectives in the UK. But. all my efforts have come to nothing. BA have told me they. keep passenger lists for a period of seven years, so they will still have. the list for this 1993 flight. I did not see or hear anything during the rest. of my visit to Ontario in 1993 which would have lead me to believe that I was being watched or. followed. Journey across. Canada in summer 1994 As I think Ive already. said in previous articles I emigrated to Canada in late May. 1994. For six weeks between late May 1994 and early July 1994 I travelled across Canada from coast to coast, starting in. Toronto, visiting various cities and ending up in. British Columbia. I saw this both as something of a holiday, and the chance to get to know. a little better my adopted. country. As you can guess, MI5 followed me everywhere I. went during these six weeks. In Toronto, where I started this trip in late. May, I was spoken about by one youth to. another with the words "hes an idiot", to which the other replied, laughing sympathetically, "good luck. to him". A couple of. days later I went to Montreal and stayed at the YMCA downtown. As. you can guess (this is all so predictable, isnt it?) MI5 followed. me there and bugged my room at the YMCA. Not only that, but they managed to set-up an instance of. "newscaster reaction" from a local television station; while I. was watching a Vermont TV news programme on the set in my room, the woman. reporter said, "well theyre just tired and they want to go home", which sounds. like a pretty unprofessional thing to say until you realise she was trying to say of me that. I was the one that was supposed to be tired, and they (ie. MI5) wanted me to go home to the UK. On the bus journey across the North American continent, it. was quite clear that MI5 were following me every step on the. way. For the first part of the journey. they actually put someone on the bus with me, a youth who said at me "that guys paranoid" and tried to incite. other passengers to attack me. I stopped for a couple of days in Winnipeg in central. Canada, and on leaving the town heard. on the radio a female presenter ranting about "insanity! insanity!". It is very tiring travelling such a long. distance by. bus; I took the journey in two steps, each of about 36 hours; and it is especially tiring when you know MI5 are watching you and. harassing you every step of. the way. When I finally. got to Vancouver, MI5 instituted the usual harassment, in very. short order. I was surprised how quickly they were able to induce hatred towards me in. elements of the general populace; the Security Service must have employed a number of. agents and serious resources in a very short period of time; and for no real gain, because I. havent been back to BC for almost five years, so all. their "work" appears to be for nothing. In. downtown Vancouver a street person said in front of me, "theyre all talking about. him". For a few days I was staying at Pauls Guest House (345 W.14th Ave); on the day I left,. the owner Paul shouted at no-one in particular, "hes going to Victoria" - which was. quite accurate, I was. indeed going to the provincial capital Victoria on Vancouver Island. But I had not told anyone at the guest house where. I was going; I had only mentioned to my parents back in England on the phone. that I was going away from Vancouver for a few. days. Which leads me to suppose that MI5s bugging of the phone in my parents house yielded. the "intelligence" that I intended to visit Victoria,. and they had passed the information on. to Paul. When. I got to Victoria it was again obvious that the persecutors were "doing their stuff" there as well. On the. street I was identified as being English, although I had not said anything so my accent hadnt. given me away; and returning by ferry to the mainland,. I was abused by a Canadian woman who said, "hes a nutter! you. can run but you cant hide". During my years in Canada I have never heard the word "nutter". on any other occasion; I do not think it is part of Canadians vocabulary;. so the Canadian woman on the ferry, who was obviously talking about me, must. have been supplied with this word by the English persecutors.. And once I got back to Vancouver, staying at the Austin Hotel on Granville. St, I listened to a conversation in the apartment block. directly opposite, and a man saying, "hes paranoid, so thats as bad as it can be, so why. are they doing this. to him?". Holiday. in the States, August 1995 By 1995 I was living. in Canada, and in August I went down the eastern seaboard to Florida and as far as. Key West by car. As you can guess (this is all so boring and predictable,. isnt it?) MI5 followed me every step of the way. I can see in retrospect that this must have been. quite easy for them as they had my. car bugged, both on the inside to listen to anything that was said and what radio station I was listening to, as. well as what must have been a tracker. device installed to track it across long distances. The first. city I visited was Philadelphia. In the old Congress Hall where the first US Congress assembled, the. woman guide started referring to my situation, saying that "all these people in. Europe were watching it", and they were "a little paranoid" at this 18th-century experiment. in democracy. Also I had recently written a newsgroup post. where Id described a. (female) poster as "wet-nosed" (implying "canine"), and a young girl in Philadelphia remarked, "so he thinks were dogs?" There were two. or three more incidents during this holiday in the. eastern States, including a radio station down near Miami, showing "they" had tracked me. all the way there, and were bugging the. inside of my car; but I didnt record the details and Ive. forgotten some of it now. Also down in Miami Beach a French. tourist in a lift expressed support for me with the words, "cest incroyable" ie. its incredible, meaning that. MI5s well-known actions against me were. beyond belief. To go back a bit, in about May/June 1995 Id visited New York, again. by car, and was insulted several times by people using. the same words that had been used against me in England. In Central Park, and. elderly Englishman (not a. real gentleman - but then the Engish view of themselves as "gentlemen" etc is quite laughable) looked at. me and said "idiot". And while. I was eating in a streetside restaurant a New York youth started laughing and said something like, "I cant believe it, hes. actually here" - I think that was because I had had an expressed wish to visit. New York for some years before this, although after this visit I wont be going. there again for a very long. time. Visit to. Poland December 1995/January 1996 In December 1995 I flew (BA again,. unfortunately - every time Ive flown BA one of these. incidents has happened, presumably MI5 is happier setting up harassment on British-domiciled carrier) from. Montreal to Berlin and travelled on. to Poland to visit family. MI5 naturally harassed me in Poland during my brief stay. They followed me around and got. Polish people to take part in the harassment. In. one case two Polish youths talked in front of me saying in English (with. marked Polish accents), "fucked up men, fuck you". There were also. other incidents which I dont remember too clearly since it was some. time ago. The return flight connected through Heathrow, and in the transit. lounge MI5 again set-up. harassment against me. In Poland they were talking their abuse in. English, and in London they set Polish people after me to speak in Polish; they heard me on the phone to my father, and said "a. wiesz ze to Polski wariat", in. an almost sympathetic, inclusive fashion (translation. "you know hes. a Polish nutter"). Once on the flight to Montreal I was again. set upon by two English youths, one of whom spoke and the. other listened. The aggressive "fat bastard" youth said, "if he wants to be a wanker". (its my fault theyre harassing me, you see), self-justification. that "hes a nutter" (so we have to keep on abusing him, because hes ill), as well as. talking about the town in Poland where I had been staying. He also said, "he doesnt know who we. are", but as already remarked in a previous article, that was at best a half-denial of my. guess expressed in internet newsgroups that the people after me. were MI5 - if anything its. a half-confirmation rather than a half-denial. These incidents are still going on. You. can hear digitised audio files of abuse on a BA flight to Berlin. in 1998 on the Web at address On this flight they were again attacking. my mental health; "paranoid, hes paranoid" and "nutter". are discernable. The last "during travel" contact was at Ottawa Airport on 21 July 1998,. when "Alan Holdsworth" the psychopath MI5 agent, dressed as a vagrant,. was pacing aggressively in the departure. area. In three weeks I will again be travelling to Europe; we will see what fresh acts of molestation MI5 perpetrate during. this trip. 451 -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service ------->>>>>>http://www.NewsDem ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2007 09:27:21 GMT From: imeim@yahoo.com Subject: M`I,5-Per secution ` M I5 H ave Systemat ically D estroyed My Life Message-ID: MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed. My Life This is getting depressing. From the feedback Ive received, the. recipients of these faxes are tired of hearing my complaints,. and in truth I am tired of sending them. The. reason I havent yet ceased sending faxes is because I cannot think. of any other effective means of replying to MI5s actions against me, and I. feel I have to do something to try to defend myself. Three/four years ago. I got the MI5 harassment out of my system by posting about it on Internet newsgroups, and for. a few months this tactic was quite effective - I received (and indeed still. do today) support from newsgroup regulars, and felt. I could make my voice heard and break the MI5 monopoly on. access to the British media. But that was years ago, and today nobody gives a tinkers cuss about. my internet posts - so I have sought to escalate. matters by communicating directly with the politicians who allegedly say how this country is. supposed to be run. Of course, its quite expensive to keep up. a campaign of fax messages for many weeks. Each set of faxes takes approx. 50 hours to send over the weekend, and costs perhaps 35.. My phone bill for the last quarter was 350. These figures are naturally insignificant compared to. what MI5 have been spending against me over a similar period. It also takes. a lot of time and. energy to create a new article every week, and try and find new and fresh aspects and viewpoints. on MI5s persecution of me. I am beginning to run out of both new topics and energy to. write these articles. So I have. a suggestion to put before the MI5 persecutors who have been wrecking my life since 1990. In a few days time I will be going. on holiday to Poland and Germany,. for a couple of weeks. Previously, almost every time I. have travelled by plane, or gone anywhere on holiday, the MI5 "wreckers" have. been most assiduous in destroying these trips. My suggestion is; if MI5 leave me alone on. this next trip, I will cease transmitting these articles. If, however, there are. any clear instances of harassment (and. I am very capable of recognising MI5 harassment when I see it), then I will make public these instances and publish any. recordings I may make. of them, and, unwillingly and unhappily, continue the articles. Read about the MI5 Persecution on. the Web Keith Hill. MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as ever refuses. to help. MI5 Refuse to Allow me to have a Normal. Life Its kind. of difficult to contemplate having a normal existence when you know your entire house is bugged from top to bottom, for. audio and, very unpleasantly, video; when. your employment is systematically destroyed, over and over again; when every time you leave the country. your travel is disrupted by MI5 plants. on the plane yelling abuse at you..... you get the idea. I would like. to have some semblance of a normal life, like my Polish and English friends do. But MI5 have. made this impossible, and they have leached massive resources from the. taxpayer to institute a life not worthy of. the name on me. A few years ago MI5 were very open about their. aims in persecuting me. They were shouting "suicide" at me, both. in Canada where I lived at the time, and during my occasional visits to. London. You cant get much clearer than that. There have. been instances as recently as a few weeks ago of this intention being voiced. by their side; on 15 April 1999, a woman at the. next ticket counter at the Royal Festival Hall said; "it would kill it, you know, it would just be. overkill... they can't stop can. they" meaning that. "they" were trying to "kill it" i.e. me and they "cant stop". The audio file is. at; I wonder why they "cant stop". Nobody (who doesnt know already). believes my. claims - so what difference would it make, if they were to "stop" persecuting me? Perhaps what this. persons remarks indicates, is the depth of the obsession MI5 have with this. case. They have chosen at random a person from the general population, and done their worst to ruin. my life.. What is wrong with these people, that they persecute a national of the country. whose citizens they are supposed to protect? No. Chance of a Harassment-Free Job Since the harassment started in 1990. I have had three jobs, the first near Guildford, the. second in Oxford, and the third overseas in Canada. All three jobs have been systematically destroyed by MI5. It is. so ironic that MI5 employs a team of agents, each well compensated for their. efforts, to persecute just one person paid a mere fraction of what they get. for their "work". In fact, it is. a joke that MI5 is allocated resources for this sort of effort. If this area. of government were run along commercial lines then MI5 would be very rapidly closed down, they produce nothing. of any value,. instead spending their time obsessed with the bugging and surveillance of their former employees. like Shayler, dangerous subversives like Straw. and Mandelson, and "threats to national security" like yours truly. Applying for my. first post university job When I was applying. for my first post-university job in the closing months of 1990, I found at two or three job interviews that. MI5 had got there ahead of me. Interviewers knew what. words to repeat from what had been said at my. home recently; MI5 had supplied them with words to hurt me, and the "British secret police" were. trying to wreck my job search and discourage me from joining the world of work. This and the. continuing harassment in the media and by the public meant that. the search for a job took very much longer. than it would ordinarily be expected to take for a person. with my qualifications. With my first job near. Guildford came the knowledge that MI5 were doing everything possible to make me lose. the job. Despite their efforts I managed to stay. in work for ten unhappy months, during which they made very clear to me that they were bugging my workplace, my accomodation. in Woking, my car, my home..... and they also made clear that they had. "got to" my. employer in Guildford. Employment. with Oxford I was able to find a new job, with Oxford. Computer Training Services (now ARIS/Oxford), quite quickly. But it. became very clear, very quickly, that MI5 were treating this job the same as. the first; they tried to get the other employees and in particular the managers to attack me. It. was plainly MI5s intention that I be sacked fro this job.. But I was not sacked;. instead, after almost a year of abuse from OCTS managers, I was forced to seek medical help,. and had to take two months off for medical leave. OCTS MD Hugh Simpson-Wells was motivated. in keeping me on by the fear that if he sacked me, then I would take. him to court for the treatment. OCTS managers had meted out to me during 1992. Emigration to. Canada When I emigrated to. Canada in 1994, I did think that perhaps MI5 would leave me alone, given that I had made the effort. to leave the UK and try to find a new life overseas. I could not see any. reason why they would continue to harass me over in Canada. But. clearly the MI5 agents had their salaries. to think about, since continue to harass me they most certainly did, at my home. in Ottawa, and by getting fellow employees to speak against me, as had happened. with previous jobs in the UK. MI5 are. denying me a future in work Former Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall. John Alderson had this to say regarding MI5's. activities; "MI5. is not under the same restraints as the police. They infiltrate organisations, people's jobs and lives.. They operate almost like a cancer." Currently I am. on disability, and I can see that MI5 are denying me a future in work. It would be an insult to logic for me to return. to work and. find a job, in the knowledge that an entire team of MI5 agents, paid in total many times what I would be earning, would have the objective. of seeing me "done. down" in the employment, and ejected from the place of work. This situation is completely wrong and nonsensical - I. would very much. like to have a job, but MI5 are preventing me from even thinking about returning. to work. The culture of secrecy in MI5/MI6 means there is no objective oversight of their expenditure,. when external oversight and greater transparency might lead. to wasteful and illogical operations such as that against me being. shelved. Watched. and Harassed at my Home and Accommodation As you will know. if you have been reading these articles, MI5 have watched and harassed me at. my home, and at every accommodation Ive had since 1990. Theyve also watched. me at neighbours houses in London, and at short-term accommodation such as hotels and. bed-and-breakfasts. They have used the "words" gained from these watching. activities against me, by passing these words on to other people such as OCTS managers. for them to make. clear that I am being watched where I live. Harassed at rented rooms. in Oxford in 1992 This was at its worst in 1992 in Oxford, where. during the week I lived at rented accommodation in Oxford, and at weekends returned to my. parents home in London. I was being severely. harassed by managers at my place of work, OCTS;. and it was clear from the things they said that they were being supplied by MI5 with. details of my home life, that they were being supplied with words to repeat at. me. In. 1992 I moved house in Oxford many times, living at a total of five rented accommodations in ten months. In. January I started off living in a rented room at. Headington near the ring road / A40 intersection; then when it. became clear that house was being bugged, moved to a rented room in Botley, some miles away. It was at the house in Botley that I. had an "interactive watching" experience with Martyn. Lewis while he was reading the. news; I threw a term of abuse at him; he first flinched, then gave a gsult of what I. had just said, he was no longer "on my side". So I moved house again. This time to a place in Cowley, near the. Rover car works, where I stayed for a. few weeks. Because of continuing harassment at work, I soon moved from this accommodation,. to yet another rented room on Iffley Road. By this time I was. very ill and being abused continuously at work. Again, MI5 followed me. to the rented room on Iffley Road, and created new instances of "newscaster watching". There was a television. in the. room which I watched, and as you can guess the newscasters got at me when I was watching the television. Also once I was assaulted, if. thats the word for what happened, on leaving. the house; a youth grabbed me by the coat lapels, roughed me up a bit. with various terms of abuse. I did not report this assault to the police, because what. was happening to me at work was very much worse, and nobody seemed to. think that that was worthy of being reported to the police. Later that day. at work, Alex G, a fellow employee, said "I heard he was assaulted".... I had not. told anyone at work about the incident that morning..... so. once again it was made very clear that. MI5 were watching my rented accommodation and giving information. about what was going on there to managers at work. So I moved house yet again in late. autumn 1992, this time to a rented room in a large house on Woodstock Road. I stayed there. for several weeks as the situation at work deteriorated due to OCTS managers abuse, until I. was forced to take sick leave from work for two. months and attend hospital as an outpatient; at which point I gave notice on the room, and. returned to London. MI5 continued to harass me after the diagnosis of. serious illness was made. As reported previously, they harassed me on. a flight to Spain in December 1992; and in 1993,. when I returned to live and work in Oxford, they again. bugged my rooms, as well as my workplace, although the intensity of the. harassment was very much less than in 1992. Watched, followed and harassed in. Canada It dismayed me to find that MI5 would not leave me. alone after I had settled in Canada. In January 1995. I rented an apartment at the Bayshore complex in. Ottawas west end. For some weeks there was no sign of the "buggers". But then it started all over again. They first bugged my. car, which had a car alarm installed -. the alarm went off two or three times in a single evening,. and the following day gave a signal that the car had been. broken into. Then they bugged my apartment, and in particular they installed bugs on the phone line in my. apartment. In. September 1995 I moved to a new apartment in Ottawas Bytown Market area, the restaurant and entertainment. heart of Canadas capital. This proved a serious mistake. In the west end. I had been fairly distant from the centre of town. where MI5 concentrated their efforts at turning people against me. In. the Market area it was much easier for the persecutors to motivate people to harass me, and over the next couple of years there. were frequent instances of harassment by the. general public. From 1995 I had some Polish friends in Ottawa, and as. the reader can guess,. MI5 have spent much effort trying to break up this friendship. They supplied various things about. my home life to these friends, for example where I was living. in the Market, directly over the road were the studios of. a music radio station, which you had to "look up" to see; and MI5 told these friends that I was "looking. up" to see the radio station; so the friends then replayed these words back. to me, that I was "looking up". MI5 have also made. various sexual slanders against me, and these friends also unwittingly replayed some of the words they had been imprinted with by. the MI5. persecutors. MI5 Will Never Allow Me to. have a Normal Life I have heard many excuses as to why MI5 continuously prevent. me from having a normal life. We are told that MI5 are defending the. country against. a tere to zero. When I. have travelled abroad, they always put their people on the flights, on the journeys I undertake, to continue the harassment,. so that I am put off further overseas travel, and chained to my home in London. Yet. even this is illogical, because when. I lived in Canada, they would still put people on. flights back to the UK.... and what possible reason would they have for doing that? Perhaps the truest words to describe. the MI5 persecution is that reason has nothing to do with their activities -. sane people do not behave in the way the MI5 British. Secret Police have been doing. Summer. 1999 - more MI5 harassment? In only a few days time I. will be going to Europe again. This time I have deliberately chosen to travel by a non-UK airline;. so we will see if they put their paid. agents on this foreign carrier, we will see if they try to harass me on this. non-British flight. If they do. harass me on this trip to Europe, or if they resume the harassment in London after. I return home, then I will continue to report their. activities in these faxes. As I said at the beginning of this article, I would very much like to not have to send these. articles any more, but that is not my decision to make - it is entirely up to. 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Under the new law, which both houses of Congress passed the same day, the time in Argentina will jump forward an hour starting on Sunday. The clocks will turn back on March 16. etc Talk about quick implementation. Pass a law on wednesday for a time change that takes effect 4 days later ! It appears Microsoft has already issued patches for this. Are updated time zone files available for VMS yet ? :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:43:19 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: In article <4775237d$0$16173$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > The character cell MAIL utility should be improved to support the following: > > -support for multipart (mime encoded) messages. There is the standalone MIME utility. I wouldn't mind having it integrated into the normal MAIL interface, but it has to be done correctly. Remember when they rewrote MAIL in C and broke stuff? > -upon encountering an image/xxxx attachement, MAIL should automatically > decode it, and convert the image into SIXEL format to be displayed on > the character cell terminal as part of the message. I would like to be prompted for this. Also, what if your terminal doesn't support sixel graphics? On the other hand, if I am reading MAIL in a terminal emulator on a graphics monitor, I would probably want something better than sixel graphics. > -upon encountering any .EXE attachement, VMS should automatically invoke > a translator such as FX32! to automatically execute that file under the > SYSTEM account on VMS. OK, I get it now, it's a joke. > It is true that it would be far easier to implement the above on the > X-windows version of mail, but it appears that HP has made a decision > that no more development must be made on VMS X-windows software since > VMS is to be relegated to an obscure server-only OS. Do you have evidence that MAIL is still being developed? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:44:21 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: In article <47754b79$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > JF Mezei wrote: > > The character cell MAIL utility should be improved to support the following: > > > > -support for multipart (mime encoded) messages. > > That one actually sounded serious. > > But not very relevant since very few uses VMS MAIL as their primary > email tool. I still do. When I run into attachments I need, I write them to a file, decode them and then display them or whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:14:26 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> But not very relevant since very few uses VMS MAIL as their primary >> email tool. > > I still do. When I run into attachments I need, I write them to a file, > decode them and then display them or whatever. > My guess is that no one *professional* does that. And since it's the *professional* users that pays for VMS, well... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:47:23 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: <47790fa7$0$16150$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > I still do. When I run into attachments I need, I write them to a file, > decode them and then display them or whatever. I used to do that. And it is the "correct" way to do it. I miss this capability in thunderbird. Ideally, one would be presented with the source of the message first, and only if you approce it, would thunderbird render that message with images, html and what not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:39:04 +0100 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Request for improvement to MAIL Message-ID: In article <47755b54$0$25317$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > DeanW wrote: > > > Isn't this three months and some days early? > > Yeah, but I couldn't resist. Amazing how some have taken it seriously ! > > What I do miss of MAIL which isn't available on modern platforms is the > ability to first vew a message "raw" before deciding whether to have it > interpreted. > > On thunderbird, just clicking a message (so you can delete it) causes it > to be opened and interpreted. You can disable html junk, but you can't > have it display the raw message source by default. I see from your headers that you are using Thunderbird on a Macintosh. Is that under OS X or a previous OS? Under OS X I use MT-NewsWatcher for newsgroups and it does allow you to delete messages without opening them. You can also display message headers (CMD-H). I actually use it in conjunction with leafnode as a server, and you can apply filtering in that too. On the mail side, I use Mail.app. Here you can not only switch off HTML display, but see the messages with long headers or raw source. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:20:56 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > > HP knows exactly what it is doing when it prohibits the marketing of VMS > outside the installed base and codones statements from > Stallard/Livermore that confirm that they are only interested in the VMS > customer base. Maybe they simply did their homework and realized that swimming against the mainstream tide (i.e. converting customers back to VMS) would burn a lot of money with little return ? > > (remember that HP is a $100B+ company & has hundreds of products) > and among those hundreds of products VMS has a very tiny footprint, and it is not even a genuine HP product. With this in mind, it is astonishing that Mr. Hurd took notice at all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:15:05 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: On Dec 31, 5:20 am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > JF Mezei schrieb: > > > HP knows exactly what it is doing when it prohibits the marketing of VMS > > outside the installed base and codones statements from > > Stallard/Livermore that confirm that they are only interested in the VMS > > customer base. > > Maybe they simply did their homework and realized that > swimming against the mainstream tide (i.e. converting > customers back to VMS) would burn a lot of money with > little return ? No guts, no glory. They swum upstream against Dell and last I heard they're doing pretty damn well compared to them. What about the data center they blew up? There's some serious burnt money! I don't think it would bust the bank if hp would spend a small fraction of VMS profits on some occasional ads in Computerworld, or The Wall St. Journal, e.g. Just enough to keep VMS visible, at least. How much could that possibly cost? And VMS did make the hp home page. Has anything else other than PC's and ink cartridges and printers done that? While we of course would like to see much more of this, it's not zero. > > (remember that HP is a $100B+ company & has hundreds of products) And this is exactly why they can take chances to promote even their "small-footprint" products. > and among those hundreds of products VMS has a very tiny > footprint, and it is not even a genuine HP product. With this in mind, Neither is Windows or Linux. > it is astonishing that Mr. Hurd took notice at all. Hey, I wrote him a positive letter about the merits of selling more VMS. How could he possibly not have taken notice!!! ;-) :-) AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:39:03 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: AEF [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: December 30, 2007 10:16 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File > Protocols > > On Dec 30, 8:14 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca] > > > Sent: December 30, 2007 5:12 PM > > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > > Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File > > > Protocols > > > > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > > > > > Well, pure personal opinion, but at some point I believe the > industry > > > is > > > > going to realize that it can no longer afford these "industry > > > standard" > > > > OS's like Windows and Linux - especially for mission critical > > > workloads. > > > > > Consider that even today, VMS is rarely considered by the majority > of > > > IT > > > shops. And by the time they realise Windows is costing them a lot > more > > > than other systems, VMS may no longer be available to new customers > and > > > its features will have lagged far more than now and will truly be > only > > > good enough for legacy apps. > > > > [sky is falling and black helicopter stuff snipped..] > > > > Like I (and others) have said before - nobody here is saying that > > marketing and other areas (past and present) discussed at length in > this > > newsgroup could not have been done differently or be improved. > > > > However, the blind doom-and-gloom you portray without any recognition > > of some of the good things happening is also not beneficial to those > > in this newsgroup. > > You're right. But what about your oft-repeated mantra of the industry > waking up to how expensive it is to run VMware with Windows and Linux > and employee counts and what not? How many years have you been telling > us this? At my company they've been trying to converge to one OS for > years. I never -- but wanted to -- ask them: Do you mean Windows, > Linux, or which flavor of Unix -- when of course they *really* mean > all three!!! And now there's a fourth: VMware. There's no sign of this > stopping at my company. So when is it going to kick in already? After > people like me become non-VMS workers and later retire? > Ok, simple scenario - If you are like most companies now who have implemented VMware, you are now running into the issue of how do we manage so many OS VM instances. In addition, you have only been able to reduce about 10-15% of the IT budget and that is due to some HW and DC related savings. Once you are done with about as much VMware as you can (VMware and virtualization in general is not for all environments), how will your CIO respond to the CEO's request for an additional 20-30% cut in IT expenses? As I stated before, to many companies are focusing on the "easy" way to show progress in reducing IT expenses - the next wave of cuts is when the real pain starts as you need to reduce the number of OS instances in order to reduce IT staffing which is 60-70% of the IT budget. And this means business Applic stacking or rationalization - both of which are huge, huge political landmines in a one bus app, one OS culture. [snip...] Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: <421c94ff-a99c-438c-9881-2b2d338882c3@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Dec 31, 9:15 am, AEF wrote: > On Dec 31, 5:20 am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > > > JF Mezei schrieb: > > > > HP knows exactly what it is doing when it prohibits the marketing of VMS > > > outside the installed base and codones statements from > > > Stallard/Livermore that confirm that they are only interested in the VMS > > > customer base. > > > Maybe they simply did their homework and realized that > > swimming against the mainstream tide (i.e. converting > > customers back to VMS) would burn a lot of money with > > little return ? > > No guts, no glory. > > They swum upstream against Dell and last I heard they're doing pretty > damn well compared to them. Oops! That should be "They swam...", of course. It sounded okay in my mind at the time, but it's wrong. [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:52:17 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: <477910cc$0$16150$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > And this means business Applic stacking or rationalization - both of which > are huge, huge political landmines in a one bus app, one OS culture. And what does this have to do with VMS ? When the above happens, then customers will demand that their application be written so they can co-exist with others in the same OS instance. If it can't be done on Windows, they will switch to Linux, AIX or Solaris. Since HP refuses to market VMS, and since the major applications are leaving VMS, you can't seriously expect many customers to migrate to VMS. So Mr Main, how to you spin to your customers the fact that HP got Cerner to drop VMS and move to HP-UX ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:33:04 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: December 31, 2007 10:52 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File > Protocols > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > > And this means business Applic stacking or rationalization - both of > which > > are huge, huge political landmines in a one bus app, one OS culture. > > And what does this have to do with VMS ? When the above happens, then > customers will demand that their application be written so they can > co-exist with others in the same OS instance. If it can't be done on > Windows, they will switch to Linux, AIX or Solaris. > > Since HP refuses to market VMS, and since the major applications are > leaving VMS, you can't seriously expect many customers to migrate to > VMS. > > So Mr Main, how to you spin to your customers the fact that HP got > Cerner to drop VMS and move to HP-UX ? Like any company, some things we can talk about publically, others we can not. However, Customers are free to express whatever they want to both Cerner and HP. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:20:48 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: Main, Kerry schrieb: > > Like any company, some things we can talk about publically, others we > can not. So VMS must be top secret within HP, because, funnily enough, your posts never mention anything about VMS, except your meaningless sig. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2007 17:29:09 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: <5tsn75F1f3lmaU1@mid.individual.net> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > JF Mezei schrieb: > >> >> HP knows exactly what it is doing when it prohibits the marketing of VMS >> outside the installed base and codones statements from >> Stallard/Livermore that confirm that they are only interested in the VMS >> customer base. > > Maybe they simply did their homework and realized that > swimming against the mainstream tide (i.e. converting > customers back to VMS) would burn a lot of money with > little return ? > >> >> (remember that HP is a $100B+ company & has hundreds of products) >> > > and among those hundreds of products VMS has a very tiny > footprint, and it is not even a genuine HP product. And Microsoft Windows is? > With this in mind, > it is astonishing that Mr. Hurd took notice at all. The whole company has no problem noticing Microsoft Windows. And the money from that just goes into someone else's coffers. Great way to run a business. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:43:25 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File Protocols Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kraemer [mailto:M.Kraemer@gsi.de] > Sent: December 31, 2007 12:21 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Samba Gains Legal Access to Microsoft Network File > Protocols > > Main, Kerry schrieb: > > > > > Like any company, some things we can talk about publically, others we > > can not. > > So VMS must be top secret within HP, > because, funnily enough, your posts never > mention anything about VMS, except your > meaningless sig. If you had actually read the post, you would have noticed my comment was to JF's comments about Cerner. Perhaps you feel free to talk about your companies confidential things in public newsgroups, but in most companies, that is extremely bad news. Geezz.. I did not think I would have to explain that bit of basic newsgroup stuff. Ah well... Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:12:57 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Sigma Information Systems circuit board Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:39:15 -0800, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > In article <5tpqpfF1eah7hU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu > (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> {...snip...} >> LPV11 clone. Docs are on bitsavers. > > With that connector and some of the 74xxx series ICs, I was going to say > it > looked like a LP driver card. > Well they certainly are old, they don't even use low power Schottky. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Unsupported three-architecture cluster Message-ID: First, thanks HP for not properly supporting this as you should have. Makes the current situation just delightful. Customer has a two-node LAN based cluster, Alpha and VAX. No shared storage, all disks are local to one or the other. The Alpha is the master node in voting and holds the authoritative SYSUAF, rightslist, queue, etc shared files. The VAX keeps a local copy to boot standalone or if coming up first to the point of waiting to form a cluster. They are adding an itanium. They are not removing the VAX. I know its not supported but I also know it has worked in testing. Still LAN based, still no shared storage. The VAX is running the Process Software TCPware stack; the Alpha runs the HP stack. Currently the VAX is at VMS V7.3, the Alpha at V8.2, and the Itanium at V8.2-1. That is unlikely to change before summer. I plan on keeping the Alpha as the 'master' node and keeper of the shared files simply because of its excellent track record (actually the old VAX has the best uptime but its pretty old/slow (3100-30). Performance of the Itanium may make us move to it down the road but I want it to run for a while before making it top node. I've been refreshing on the cluster manual. Since we already have a cluster most of the code needed to set up 'master' files and such is in place, just needing tweaking for the new node. I'm also working out the PQL parameters for each node. Given the huge difference in account quota recommendations between the three architectures, and the significant number of shared accounts (user, system, tcpip, webserver, etc, most of which are shared between either two or three nodes) will they be best served by leaving the UAF account quotas at VAX levels and relying on the SYSGEN PQL settings for the two newer nodes? That would severely restrict the ability to customize account settings on the newer systems (not everyone on the Alpha/itanium needs to run Java or Mozilla). VAX usage is critical but not a lot of it goes on. PQL parameters can't set MAX settings (which would be awfully useful in this situation) but perhaps it would be better to use the Alpha as a baseline for UAF quotas anyway. The accounts that do need to run Java and Mozilla are not the ones generally used on the VAX (and we can enforce that if need be) and baseline Alpha quotas do not need to be overly large, so perhaps won't cause a problem for the VAX. That at least gives us some leeway on the Alpha account quotas, though the Itanium accounts will still end up one size fits all using PQL parameters. Thoughts appreciated. Thoughts about not putting all three architectures up in the cluster noted but not helpful. Thanks Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:40:18 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Unsupported three-architecture cluster Message-ID: <47793836$0$4318$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rich Jordan wrote: > Given the huge difference in account quota recommendations between the > three architectures, and the significant number of shared accounts > (user, system, tcpip, webserver, etc, most of which are shared between How much software runs on the vax ? In my case, I just upped the SYSUAF to match the alpha requirements. In the end, the big changes are with the pgflquota which alpha needs billions and billions of. On the VAX, you can use the sysgen WSMAX to limit working sets to a reasonable limit. If you don't have much software running on it, it may be sufficient, and just lest the process/memory manager decide how much working set each process really deserves. Another option would be to have an architecture specific SYSUAF during startup that includes only the necessary accounts with that architecture's quota, and once startup is complete, you then redirect SYSUAF to the shared one where all the usernames are defined. SOftware that is started at boot time would get "OK" quotas, but processes started after boot would get the exagerated quotas that would be allow one to run on any platform. Another approach is to look at the actual startup scripts for each layered product. Many would provide ways to specify quotas because in the end, they dur a RUN/DETACHED and provide the quotas in that command line. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew.Skipper.group.com@gmail.com Subject: What Is Linux? Message-ID: <23e3f8d1-7dab-4ef3-95fd-1dae362f8e19@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Linux is a free operating system that was created by Linus Torvalds when he was a student at the University of Helsinki in 1991. Torvalds started Linux by writing a kernel - the heart of the operating system - partly from scratch and partly by using publicly available software. Torvalds then released the system to his friends and to a community of "hackers" on the Internet and asked them to work with it and enhance it. It took off. Today, there are hundreds of software developers around the world contributing software to the Linux effort. Because the source code for the software is freely available, anyone can work on it, change it, or enhance it. On top of the Linux kernel effort, the creators of Linux also drew on a great deal of system software and applications that are now bundled with Linux from the GNU software effort (GNU stands for "GNU is Not UNIX"), which is directed by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). There is a vast amount of software that can be used with Linux, all of which includes features that can compete with or surpass those of any other operating system in the world. If you have heard Linux described as a free version of UNIX, there is good reason for it. Although much of the code for Linux started from scratch, the blueprint for what the code would do was created to follow POSIX standards. POSIX (Portable Operating System Interface for UNIX) is a computer industry operating system standard that every major version of UNIX complied with. In other words, if your operating system was POSIX-compliant, it was UNIX. --- Thank You --- http://www.fx-vista.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.718 ************************