INFO-VAX Tue, 19 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 100 Contents: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. CC-W-ALIGNPOP warning in module RESOLV of DECC$RTLDEF.TLB Re: CC-W-ALIGNPOP warning in module RESOLV of DECC$RTLDEF.TLB Re: Cool Bananas! Re: Errors during shadow set merge Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? New features in DNAS V3.6 New features in DNAS V3.6 Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: regex within a DCL procedure Re: Testing new rewired "cable adapters" for lights-out console use VAX BASIC, file specs, and command line arguments Re: VAX BASIC, file specs, and command line arguments ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:59:23 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: Cluster-Karl wrote: >> Anyway, my Q was about the LPD setup. Is it enought to set it >> up according to the DCPS mgm manual ? Or must the queue >> be available in the printcap file just as "normal" TCP/IP >> Services LPD queues ? > > Eric, > > I think an entry in the printcap file is not neccessary. > > regards Kalle Sounds good. The reason to test RawTCP first was just becuse it looked easier to setup. But now it seems as LPD does not add any additional config files (the printcap file) so I'll try that instead. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:28:40 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47bb03f0$0$25462$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Pardon my ignorance, but what is the advantage of LPD versus raw TCPIP for printing ? Would it be correct to state that in some situations, raw TCPIP allows bidiorectional communications, but that in all cases, LPD doesn't ? ( I am thinking in terms of postscript code interrogating printer and sending results back to print symbiont). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:43:01 -0500 From: Paul Anderson Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: In article <0tluj.3915$R_4.2823@newsb.telia.net>, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > I did a test using DCPS and a Xerox WorkCentre 4150 earlier today. > DCPS was set up to use "IP_RawTCP". The logical "...NO_SYNC" was > defined for the queue. > The entry on the queue hanged in "Starting". The queue was "Busy". > The printer said (on the display) "processing" or "formatting" or > something similar. After aprox 30 sec, the printer went to Idle mode > with no printout. Don't use Raw TCP for that printer. Xerox printers have port 9100 printing but don't echo back the PostScript end-of-job character that DCPS sends. Since DCPS has no way of knowing that the job is done, the job may print, but the job will stall and eventually be put on hold once the printer's network card disconnects after some period of inactivity. Use LPD instead, with spooling turned on. > I have been using LPD a lot before using the LPD part of TCPIP > Services. What I do not understand is if one still have to update the > printcap file even when using DCPS ? Or does DCPS run the full LPD > comm itself ? DCPS makes its own LPD connection, using your TCP/IP software, of course, but it doesn't use the printcap file or any other setup required by your TCP/IP software. > That is, if I enter "IP_LPD/xx.xx.xx.xx" as the second parameter (P2) > in the DCSP startup file, do I have to setup the LPD queue any other > place also ? So no, just specify "IP_LPD/xx.xx.xx.xx" and you're set. And as I mentioned, you want to use spooled LPD, so check the documentation for defining the DCPS$SPOOL or DCPS$queuename_SPOOL logical names. Paul -- Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:01:31 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: <47bb0b96$0$10321$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Paul Anderson wrote: > DCPS makes its own LPD connection, using your TCP/IP software, of > course, but it doesn't use the printcap file or any other setup > required by your TCP/IP software. makes sense to me now. The VMS queues would have a DCPS symbiont, not an LPD symbiont, so it would be DCPS that handles the communications to the printer. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:12:39 -0500 From: Paul Anderson Subject: Re: A few Q's about DCPS and Xerox printers. Message-ID: In article <47bb03f0$0$25462$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > Pardon my ignorance, but what is the advantage of LPD versus raw > TCPIP for printing ? > > Would it be correct to state that in some situations, raw TCPIP > allows bidiorectional communications, but that in all cases, LPD > doesn't ? ( I am thinking in terms of postscript code interrogating > printer and sending results back to print symbiont). You are correct. Bi-directional printing is more robust, allowing for messages from the printer to be sent back to the host. This would include error messages about printer events like "paper out" or "paper jam", PostScript errors or answers to queries made by the host. These messages may or may not be seen by the user. With DCPS specifically, Raw TCP is always preferred if the printer supports it. With DCPS, LPD should only be used as a last resort because of its lack of any meaningful data about why a job failed and the extra information that, not being able to be asked of the printer, must be supplied by the system manager. Paul -- Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2008 13:50:17 +0100 From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam) Subject: CC-W-ALIGNPOP warning in module RESOLV of DECC$RTLDEF.TLB Message-ID: Hello, there is a litle bug in VMS/alpha 8.3 decc$rtldef.tlb, in module RESOLV $ cre a.c #undef __CRTL_VER #define __CRTL_VER 60000000 #include $ cc a.c #pragma __member_alignment __restore ........^ %CC-W-ALIGNPOP, This "restore" has underflowed the member alignment's stack. No corresponding "save" was found. at line number 442 in module RESOLV of text library SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLD EF.TLB;1 $ cc/version HP C V7.3-009 on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 ------------ see the last 5 lines of the module RESOLV #endif /* __RESOLV_LOADED */ #pragma __member_alignment __restore #pragma __standard #endif /* __CRTL_VER */ It should be #pragma __member_alignment __restore #pragma __standard #endif /* __CRTL_VER */ #endif /* __RESOLV_LOADED */ Sincerely, Adam Maulis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:51:00 -0500 From: "Ed Vogel" Subject: Re: CC-W-ALIGNPOP warning in module RESOLV of DECC$RTLDEF.TLB Message-ID: "Maulis Adam" wrote in message news:tHmYFLH2dQde@ludens... > Hello, > > there is a litle bug in VMS/alpha 8.3 decc$rtldef.tlb, in module RESOLV > Adam, The owners of the header are aware of this problem. I'm not sure when a fix will be made available. Sorry for any trouble this has caused. Ed Vogel HP/Compaq/DEC C/C++ Engineering ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:38:43 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: Cool Bananas! Message-ID: <47ba9594$0$30098$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Richard Maher wrote: > Hi Jean-François, >> http://vmspython.dyndns.org/anonymous/demo/demo2.htm > [snip] > . Where's the source? Is it available to the public? Ok, I will try to polish the source and I will publish it. I'm currently involve in others projects. > . Did you get someone in for the Flash or did you do it yourself. (If the > later was it hard to pick up?) I do it my self using Flex builder. > . How long did the ActionScript bit take? (What resources are at your > disposal? Or are you just mega-talented :-) > . When exactly did you start on this? What inspires you? Some *great* ideas > in there :-) > There are a lot of documentation and examples on the net. I have build this just to show a example of integration between Flex/Python/OpenVMS. Difficult to evaluate how many time I have spent, but if I have to redo I think a few days. Initially I know nothing on Flex... >> The VMS part used WASD (so, http or https, VMS authentication, >> throttling,...), and a few hundred lines of Python code. > > How many hundred lines of Flex/Actionscript? > A few thousands but most of them are generated by flex builder. > > Once again, well done! > Thanks :-) JFP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: Errors during shadow set merge Message-ID: <940e9f75-bba5-4ca7-a227-44ac58e67f8d@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 18, 11:17=A0pm, Michael Austin wrote: > tadamsmarwrote: > > On Feb 18, 5:00 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > >> tadamsmarwrote: > >>> I noticed I was getting errors when adding a member to a shadow > >>> set. > >>> I have been getting errors during shadow set merges since I bought > >>> this refurb DS10. > >>> Got 109 error today when I remerged after doing an image. =A016 errors= > >>> on DKA0 and 93 on DKA100. > >>> What do you think is causing this? > >>> Are these soft errors? > >>> Here is the log for one: > >>> **** V3.4 =A0********************* ENTRY 1667 > >>> ******************************** > >>> Logging OS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01. OpenVMS > >>> System Architecture =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2. Alpha > >>> OS version =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 V7.3-2 > >>> Event sequence number =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 11474. > >>> Timestamp of occurrence =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A018-FEB-2008 09:52:4= 8 > >>> Time since reboot =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A077 Day(s) 1:2= 3:46 > >>> Host name =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0EESD > >>> System Model =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AlphaServ= er DS10 617 MHz > >>> Entry Type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01. Device Er= ror > >>> ---- Device Profile ---- > >>> Unit =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 $= 1$DKA0 > >>> Product Name =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ATLAS10K2= -TY184L > >>> Vendor =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 QUA= NTUM > >>> -- Driver Supplied Info - > >>> Device Firmware Revision =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DA40 > >>> VMSSCSIError Type =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 5. Extended Sense Data f= rom Device > >>>SCSIID =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>>SCSILUN =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x00 > >>>SCSISUBLUN =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> Port Status =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00000001 =A0NORMAL =A0- =A0no= rmal successful > >>> completion > >>>SCSICommand Opcode =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x28 =A0Read (10 byte command= ) > >>> Command Data > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x02 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x06 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x44 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x8A > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x01 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>>SCSIStatus =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x02 =A0Check Conditi= on > >>> Remaining Byte Length =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A018. > >>> --- Device Sense Data --- > >>> Error Code =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0xF0 =A0Current E= rror > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Information Bytes are Valid > >>> Segment # =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> Information Byte 3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x02 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x06 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x44 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x8A =A0LBA: = =A0x0206448A > >>> Sense Key =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x03 =A0Medium Er= ror > >>> Additional Sense Length =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x0A > >>> CMD Specific Info Byte 3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x21 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x23 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x3E > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0xD4 > >>> ASC & ASCQ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x1100 =A0ASC =A0=3D = =A0 x0011 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0ASCQ =3D =A0 x0000 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Unrecovered Read Error > >>> FRU Code =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x00 > >>> Sense Key Specific Byte 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x80 =A0Valid Sense Key Data > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Byte 1 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00 > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Byte 2 =A0 =A0 =A0 xA0 > >>> ----- Software Info ----- > >>> UCB$x_ERTCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 16. Retries Remai= ning > >>> UCB$x_ERTMAX =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 16. Retries Allow= able > >>> IRP$Q_IOSB =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x0000000000000000 > >>> UCB$x_STS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x08021810 =A0Online > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Software Valid > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Unload At Dismount > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Volume is Valid on the local > >>> node > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Unit supports the Extended > >>> Function bit > >>> IRP$L_PID =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x82640450 =A0Requestor "PID"= > >>> IRP$x_BOFF =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 4416. Byte Page Off= set > >>> IRP$x_BCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0512. Transfer Si= ze In Byte(s) > >>> UCB$x_ERRCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 32. Errors This U= nit > >>> UCB$L_OPCNT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A022716780. QIO's This Unit > >>> ORB$L_OWNER =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x00010004 =A0Owners UIC > >>> UCB$L_DEVCHAR1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x1C4D4008 =A0Directory Structure= d > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0File Oriented > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Sharable > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Available > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Mounted > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Error Logging > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Capable of Input > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Capable of Output > >>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Random Access > >> Is that system under service contract? =A0If so, ask to have the drive > >> replaced! > > >> I hope you have a recent backup that's readable. =A0 If you don't, try = to > >> make one! =A0Right now!!!! > > >> It could be just a single bad block. =A0It could also be all the warnin= g > >> you are going to get that the disk is failing! =A0Once you hear that "l= oud > >> scraping sound" it's all over!! > > >> If you don't have a service contract, order a replacement disk and get = a > >> rush on the delivery! > > >> Meanwhile, keep an eye on the disk. =A0If you get more error messages w= ith > >> different LBAs it means the situation is deteriorating and you may have= > >> an emergency within a few minutes or hours.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Are these hard or soft errors? > > These are generally HARD errors - do what he said and order a disk ASAP.- = Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I am skeptical that its the disks (In my original message, I indicated that I get errors for both disks) I have had this problem for a while. I have run: ANAL/MEDIA/EXER on the disks and found no errors. These error bursts only happen when I do a shadow set merge. I suspect something about the SCSI, or connections, that is stressed by a merge. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2008 08:00:54 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article <61u7mrF210gnfU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Surely you are not telling us the local school calls you about school > closings and delays if you have no children in the school!! That would be suprising? Why? ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2008 14:58:10 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <620942F1vfrjdU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <61u7mrF210gnfU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> Surely you are not telling us the local school calls you about school >> closings and delays if you have no children in the school!! > > That would be suprising? Why? Why would anyone (except for scumbag tele-marketers) call anyone they have no business or social association with? They can't possibly just call every phone number in the phone book everytime they they decide to delay the opening of school for an hour. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: On Feb 18, 4:21 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <37fef978-631f-431f-89b5-4dbd1196e...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > AEF writes: > > > > > On Feb 18, 9:14 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article , > >> Bob Willard writes: > > >> > AEF wrote: > >> >> On Feb 17, 4:18 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > >> >>>In article , > >> >>> AEF writes: > > >> >>>>On Feb 17, 10:33 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > >> >>>>>In article <47b7cedb$0$14031$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, > >> >>>>> JF Mezei writes: > > >> >>>>>>Tad Winters wrote: > > >> >>>>>>>Your best bet is to waste their time. Try these out: > > >> >>>>>>How would they react if you were to start asking them questions as if > >> >>>>>>you were the one doing the survey ? > > >> >>>>>>Don't even give them the opportunity to start asking their questions :-) > > >> >>>>To Tad and JF quoted above: > > >> >>>>Not all calls are done by a person! I used to (and still occasionally > > >> >>>That has been illegal in the US for well over a decade. Thus the > >> >>>reason for the (in)famous Simpsons episode where Homer buys an > >> >>>automatic phone-caller cheap. > > >> >> Really? When I lived in Brooklyn I got automated phone calls from NYC > >> >> mayors. Are you sure? > > >> > Reverse 911 is alive and well, but AFAIK limited to government use. > > >> They don't call every number in the phone book. You gave them your > >> number, and agreed to this "service" when you registered your kid > >> for school. > > > I have no children, and so never agreed to this "service". > > Surely you are not telling us the local school calls you about school > closings and delays if you have no children in the school!! No. I said I got automated calls from NYC mayors and you said that's because I gave them my number when I registered my children to which I replied I have no children. No, I never got any calls about closings and delays. BTW, it's quite rare that this happens in NYC due to snow. Not because NYC doesn't get snow, but because it takes a lot of snow before school is canceled or delayed. Bill, you need to move to NJ where the DNC list works! :-) AEF > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2008 17:22:29 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <620hikF21i5ukU1@mid.individual.net> In article , AEF writes: > On Feb 18, 4:21 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article <37fef978-631f-431f-89b5-4dbd1196e...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >> >> >> They don't call every number in the phone book. You gave them your >> >> number, and agreed to this "service" when you registered your kid >> >> for school. >> >> > I have no children, and so never agreed to this "service". >> >> Surely you are not telling us the local school calls you about school >> closings and delays if you have no children in the school!! > > No. I said I got automated calls from NYC mayors and you said that's > because I gave them my number when I registered my children to which I > replied I have no children. That got crossed up somewhere. i said politicians do it because they consider themselves above the law. Someone one else mentioned getting calls from schools and I said that thye agreed to it when they registered their kids. > No, I never got any calls about closings > and delays. BTW, it's quite rare that this happens in NYC due to snow. > Not because NYC doesn't get snow, but because it takes a lot of snow > before school is canceled or delayed. > > Bill, you need to move to NJ where the DNC list works! :-) After seeing how people from NYC and NJ have totally destroyed the lifestyle of NEPA it is the last plasce in the world I would consider moving to. Actually, being in the market for a new job anyway (and after being away with the Army again for 5-6 months this summer I am sure I will be even more in need of a new job when I get back) I am looking at a much warmer climate as I expect whereever I end up will be my home for the rest of my life, including my retirement years. I have no intention of spending any of that shoveling snow. :-) I have decided to keep my snowblower, however. I will put it in my garage and then when people come over for a cold and conversation they can point at it and say, "What the hell is that?" :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: jons Subject: New features in DNAS V3.6 Message-ID: <46f9bed8-1483-44cd-a590-3434743b6fba@o77g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> To all of you fine folks who monitor this post, in the V3.6 release of DNAS a feature was added for all those DECservers supporting the 2 Meg flash card. The contents of the NVRAM can be saved to the flash card, making the transition to a new (replacement) DECserver easier. Swap out the DECserver plug in the original flash cad and restore the config. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: jons Subject: New features in DNAS V3.6 Message-ID: To all of you fine folks who monitor this post, in the V3.6 release of DNAS a feature was added for all those DECservers supporting the 2 Meg flash card. The contents of the NVRAM can be saved to the flash card, making the transition to a new (replacement) DECserver easier. Swap out the DECserver plug in the original flash cad and restore the config. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:28:08 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <47ba9319$0$4128$426a74cc@news.free.fr> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Pierre wrote: >>> can perl/awk/python read/write symbols/logicals ? >> >> Python, yes. >> >> See: http://vmspython.dyndns.org/VMSRTLExample > > I do not have Python running on my VMS systems, but > I would have expected os.getenv to be able to do it. > Correct, but using os.getenv (jacket routine to the CRTL getenv routine) you can't choose between a symbol or a logical. And if you have a logical and a symbol with the same name getenv return the logical and you have no access to the symbol. JFP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:07:43 -0800 (PST) From: palm123 Subject: Re: regex within a DCL procedure Message-ID: <23ace78c-64e1-4f86-bac5-86a6693a6d35@62g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> On 18 f=E9v, 13:11, Pierre wrote: > hi all, > > I would like to do some regex in a DCL procedure. the only tool I > found to do so is Perl. did I missed another lighter tool ? > > TIA, > Pierre. For an exemple of gawk finding the most active socket, see http://dcl.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D07/06/04/4359262 This comes from this thread, in which you will find a python example doing the same thing. http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=3D1130= 941&admit=3D109447626+1203415622988+28353475 Thanks to Hein for his help. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: jons Subject: Re: Testing new rewired "cable adapters" for lights-out console use Message-ID: <65cdb13e-4cba-48a2-a0bd-f1c601536026@d5g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Feb 15, 5:24=A0pm, Hans Bachner wrote: > AEF wrote: > > Maybe this is a dumb question, but at least it's on topic!!! > > > We're moving our servers and such to a new data center in a new > > building. My "manager" wants to go "lights-out" so I need a better > > terminal server. The old terminal server (a MOXA CN 2100) has the > > problem that power-ups and power-downs cause it to emit break signals, > > [...] > > > So I have a new terminal server lined up: a Cisco 2610. > > Digital Networks, which has been acquired by Vnetek Communications > (http://www.vnetek.com) recently, still builds and sells variousDECserver > 700 models (with up to 32 ports). > > Hans. The DECservers 90M+, conx4 and the DECservers 7XX/900 all provide for safe power-up and power-downs. Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) From: bdhobbs18@acm.org Subject: VAX BASIC, file specs, and command line arguments Message-ID: <97d69540-5388-4f3c-b27b-6aac4bb86e99@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com> VAX BASIC v3.8-000 VMS 7.1 emulating a VAX 4000-105A Two things I would like to do in BASIC: 1) Get the full file spec for a file; 2) Get arguments from the command line. I'm playing with the useropen clause of the open statement, but that involves fab and nam blocks and sys$open/sys$create and sys$connect to get the info I want. It's not bad, but I find it clumsy to go thru all this to get a file spec. I was able to easily get both items in VMS COBOL, but I was using features that were part of the language. Any routines that'll give me what I want? Thank you for any and all assistance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: VAX BASIC, file specs, and command line arguments Message-ID: On Feb 19, 12:31=A0pm, bdhobb...@acm.org wrote: > VAX BASIC v3.8-000 > VMS 7.1 > emulating a VAX 4000-105A > > Two things I would like to do in BASIC: > =A0 1) Get the full file spec for a file; > =A0 2) Get arguments from the command line. > > I'm playing with the useropen clause of the open statement, but that > involves fab and nam blocks and sys$open/sys$create and sys$connect to > get the info I want. =A0It's not bad, but I find it clumsy to go thru > all this to get a file spec. Yeah, but that's the way to go I'm afraid. BASIC hooks up a NAM ro the FAB and requests RMS to fill what I believe is a local variable. Eventually the name gets hooked to the RTL internal Channel Control Block where it will be retrieved by DBASIC$$STOP_IO to be printed in case of an error. So it is there, and it woudl be nice if there was a function (say FSS$) to retrieve it at any time. I suppose you could also try the unsupported route of tracing your way back from a LUN to a CCB to the filename pointer to the file name. Nah. Useropen and copy into a map/common to be picked up. Or... if is is an existing file, call LIB$FIND_FILE before the OPEN, and use the returned name for the open name. Ofcourse that is not efficiiencient, but way easier to code. For command line arguments I would just use LIB$GET_FOREIGN and hack it from there. Good luck! Hein. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.100 ************************