INFO-VAX Mon, 25 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 112 Contents: Re: ANAL/DISK output, how to determine file anal/disk/shadow weirdnes Re: LK-201 error question Re: Question about DFU Re: Question about DFU Re: Question about DFU Re: Question about DFU Re: Question about DFU Recruitment return on investment calculator Re: Samba and text files Sell HID Conversion Kit $45us/pc Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Vector Processing (was: Uses for a MicroServer-SP?) Wollogong TCP/IP stack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:11:32 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: ANAL/DISK output, how to determine file Message-ID: On Feb 22, 4:58=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > VAXman- wrote: > > In article , IanMiller writes: > > >>I usually use DFU > > >>DFU SEARCH/FID=3D(25695,87,0) devname > > > $ DFU > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > > =A0\DFU\ > > DFU is a freeware utility. =A0It does not, AFAIK, ship with VMS. It came on pair of freeware CD's with 7.3.2 > ISTR the > author is Ton Dorfman. =A0It can be very useful if you need what it does. > > It was a lifesaver once, years ago, when some moron managed to create > 7,000 files in a directory. =A0Cleaning that one up was a chore that > occupied a couple of days and would have taken far longer without DFU to > do a directory compress. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:20:25 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: anal/disk/shadow weirdnes Message-ID: I get a parity error with ANAL/DISK/SHADOW. This puts errors in the error log for both disks in the shadow set at the same LBN ANAL/DISK/SHADOW is suppose to only check blocks in files according to the HELP. But when I run DFU on the LBN of the error in the log it does not identify a file. And when I run ANAL/DISK/READ, it has no parity errors. The shadow disk itself DSA0: logs no errors. So is the block with the parity error in a file or not? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:00:58 -0600 From: "Bob Blum" Subject: Re: LK-201 error question Message-ID: <2DBwj.119$Td5.93@newsfe07.lga> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C87795.529184C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or clean the keyboard, as described in a previous post in this thread. Bob wrote in message = news:OF17B7A5D0.5F517FE4-ON852573FA.0005B435-852573FA.0005E3A6@metso.com.= .. Doug Phillips wrote on 02/22/2008 04:46:15 PM: > On Feb 22, 3:25 pm, Forrest Kenney wrote: > > Keyboard Error 4 means the terminal could not talk to the = keyboard. > > Could be the terminal or it could be the keyboard. > > > > Forrest >=20 > Or the cable. and the answer is...the keyboard.=20 Terminal works with another keyboard-cable.=20 Keyboard does not work with that Terminal-cable.=20 Thanks for all contributions.=20 Remedy is to recycle the keyboard. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C87795.529184C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or clean the keyboard, as described in = a previous=20 post in this thread.
 
Bob
<norm.raphael@metso.com> = wrote in=20 message news:OF17B7A5D0.5F517FE4-ON852573FA.0005B435-852573FA.0005E3A6@m= etso.com...




Doug = Phillips=20 <dphill46@netscape.net> wrote on 02/22/2008 04:46:15 = PM:

> On=20 Feb 22, 3:25 pm, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Ken...@hp.com> = wrote:
>=20 >     Keyboard Error 4 means the terminal could not talk = to the=20 keyboard.
> > Could be the terminal or it could be the=20 keyboard.
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> > Forrest
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> Or the=20 cable.
and the answer is...the keyboard.

Terminal works with another keyboard-cable. =
Keyboard does not work with that = Terminal-cable.=20
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Remedy is to recycle the=20 keyboard. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C87795.529184C0-- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2008 12:27:49 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Question about DFU Message-ID: <47c2b445$0$8095$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47c25ebc$0$14348$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> writes: >Nobody wanted to be responsible from a management level, although I >stepped up to be technicaly responsible. Responsible management? This belongs lumped in with honest lawyering. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:12:37 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Question about DFU Message-ID: <47C2DAE5.3010000@comcast.net> VAXman- wrote: > In article <47c25ebc$0$14348$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> writes: > >>Nobody wanted to be responsible from a management level, although I >>stepped up to be technicaly responsible. > > > Responsible management? This belongs lumped in with honest lawyering. > Now, now. . . . Managment is ALWAYS responsible for successes. You get the easy part, responsibility for failures! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2008 15:24:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Question about DFU Message-ID: <47c2ddad$0$8074$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47C2DAE5.3010000@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >VAXman- wrote: >> In article <47c25ebc$0$14348$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> writes: >> >>>Nobody wanted to be responsible from a management level, although I >>>stepped up to be technicaly responsible. >> >> >> Responsible management? This belongs lumped in with honest lawyering. >> > >Now, now. . . . Managment is ALWAYS responsible for successes. You get >the easy part, responsibility for failures! ;-) A Dilbert principle. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:41:01 -0600 From: "Bob Blum" Subject: Re: Question about DFU Message-ID: Okay, speaking of failures... as in my memory. Either that or my TLA (Three Letter Acronym) Translator is stuck with too many cobwebs in the gears, or I'm suffering from TMDA (Too Many Duplicate Acronyms) Syndrome. What is DFU? Disk Flavor Update? Dental Floss University? (Seriously, I could look it up, but it's more fun to ask and see the results!) Bob Blum "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:47C2DAE5.3010000@comcast.net... > VAXman- wrote: >> In article <47c25ebc$0$14348$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg >> <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> writes: >> >>>Nobody wanted to be responsible from a management level, although I >>>stepped up to be technicaly responsible. >> >> >> Responsible management? This belongs lumped in with honest lawyering. >> > > Now, now. . . . Managment is ALWAYS responsible for successes. You get > the easy part, responsibility for failures! ;-) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:08:33 -0600 From: "Bob Blum" Subject: Re: Question about DFU Message-ID: <9KBwj.121$Td5.37@newsfe07.lga> Oh, well, I guess I lost the fun of asking. I just found out what DFU stands for. Thank you, Jur, for keeping it going! ( http://www.digiater.nl/dfu Jur van der Burg ) Bob Blum "Bob Blum" wrote in message news:kkBwj.21$Ee6.15@newsfe05.lga... > Okay, speaking of failures... as in my memory. Either that or my TLA > (Three Letter Acronym) Translator is stuck with too many cobwebs in the > gears, or I'm suffering from TMDA (Too Many Duplicate Acronyms) Syndrome. > > What is DFU? Disk Flavor Update? Dental Floss University? > > (Seriously, I could look it up, but it's more fun to ask and see the > results!) > > Bob Blum > > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:47C2DAE5.3010000@comcast.net... >> VAXman- wrote: >>> In article <47c25ebc$0$14348$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg >>> <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> writes: >>> >>>>Nobody wanted to be responsible from a management level, although I >>>>stepped up to be technicaly responsible. >>> >>> >>> Responsible management? This belongs lumped in with honest lawyering. >>> >> >> Now, now. . . . Managment is ALWAYS responsible for successes. You get >> the easy part, responsibility for failures! ;-) >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:42:32 -0800 (PST) From: gorecroot Subject: Recruitment return on investment calculator Message-ID: Source : http://www.gorecroot.com We all are aware of the time that goes in before we get to a decent set of interviews and hopefully some placements and revenue. Here is a list of cost items that can make or break your work on a job order (We have lost some and made some and focused attention on where we could be losing). Cost of resume: Time, effort and money spent to get to the initial set of resumes - this by no means is ready to be sent to the client Cost of quality resume (Pulling out a quality resume from a pile - either job board, headhunters network or our good ol' database has become a fairly critical and expensive task). This includes all the time invested by your team in getting to the right resumes, validating the contacts and confirming schedules. Cost of communications: Internet and phone Resource costs: Payroll and incentives, gotta keep the team going Resource overheads: Space, infrastructure, management For a fairly well-oiled set up, yield could cost $200 per slot easily. If it is a niche skill, your client is picky or rem is not really the most attractive in business, we are talking way more than that Views and opinions, anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:22:49 -0500 From: "PEN" Subject: Re: Samba and text files Message-ID: Hi, "Michael Moroney" wrote in message news:fpsoqb$4s6$1@pcls6.std.com... > moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > >>"Gorazd Kikelj" writes: > > >>>"Michael Moroney" wrote in message >>>news:fpn019$m28$1@pcls4.std.com... > >>>>>vfs objects = varvfc >>>> >>>> Thanks, Paul, but quickly inserting that line in the [global] area of >>>> smb.conf and restarting samba had no effect. I'll study the >>>> documentation >>>> on that later. > >>>It's per share parameter. Just put it into share definition. > >>Still can't convince it to work, on two different systems. > >>[global] >> server string = Samba %v running on %h (OpenVMS) >> netbios name = %h >> security = user >> passdb backend = tdbsam >> domain master = yes >> guest account = SAMBA$GUEST >> domain logons = Yes >> log file = /samba$root/var/log_%h.%m >> create mode = 0755 >> load printers = no >> printing = OpenVMS >> vfs objects = varvfc > >>[homes] >> comment = Home Directories >> browseable = no >> read only = no >> create mode = 0750 >> vfs objects = varvfc > >>[test1] >> comment = test folder >> path = /samba$root/tmp >> read only = No >> guest OK = Yes >> vfs objects = varvfc > > This may actually not be an issue after all. I've been checking regular > (created with EDT) text files with Notepad from a PC to see if things > worked. I read that Notepad is rather brain damaged when working with > Samba-served files so I opened a file with Wordpad, and it works > correctly. > Other tools seem to work as well. > > So there's something "funny" with Notepad. But engineering fixed that problem (I just confirmed by opening a Variable Length file - a command procedure). Unfortunately, they did a poor job of documenting (internally) what that fix was. VFC formatted files still have issues, though. Do you have the C RTL ECO installed (for your version of VMS) that was released mid-December? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: tony Subject: Sell HID Conversion Kit $45us/pc Message-ID: <943b6f52-1279-41b1-9d88-d1515b38c243@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com> we selling HID Kit in housinghouse.com $45us/pc and very cheap UPS shipment. the first kit shipment is $37.5us and the other kit shipment $26us/pc. for example:if you buy one kit the shipment is $37.5us. if you buy three kit the shipment is $37.5us +$26us+$26us=$89.5. if you have some question contact me please,my E-mail is housinghouse@live.cn. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:23:55 -0600 From: Slor Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: Despite all prevention efforts, "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote in news:47C1DFAC.28030.20844B8@infovax.stanq.com: > On 24 Feb 2008 at 18:09, Slor wrote: >> [...] MicroServer-SP. [...] a gateway to connect a DECnet or TCP/IP >> network to an SNA network. > > You probably have a DESNB device. I used a couple of these a ways > back to communicate with an IBM mainframe which didn't have an IP > stack. Once the mainframe's stack was installed and reliable, it > wasn't meaningful anymore... > The model number on it is DEMSB-A, and someone put a sticker on it that says "SNA Gateway". Sounds like this is going to be fairly useless to me then, even for hobbying... :) -- James http://www.e-host-direct.com Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:52:08 +0100 From: rejoc Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: <47c273a8$0$25488$426a34cc@news.free.fr> le 25.02.2008 04:23 Bob Gezelter a écrit: > > Do you remember the details of what processors etc. that those systems > contained? > micro-vax chip (don't remember the exact version) > - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:23:34 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: <47C26CF6.4652.4302D3B@infovax.stanq.com> On 25 Feb 2008 at 1:23, Slor wrote: > The model number on it is DEMSB-A, and someone put a sticker on it that > says "SNA Gateway". Sounds like this is going to be fairly useless to me > then, even for hobbying... :) There are probably some people who have a hobbyist IBM mainframe. A hobbyist contacted me about buying a full version of CHARON-VAX because his electric bill for running his VAX 7640 was too high... If it seems to power up, this might be an "opportunity" to experiment with the innards of the thing. Bet there's a boot ROM that you could re-program. Enjoy! --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2008 15:23:09 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: <47c2dd5d$0$8074$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47C26CF6.4652.4302D3B@infovax.stanq.com>, "Stanley F. Quayle" writes: >On 25 Feb 2008 at 1:23, Slor wrote: >> The model number on it is DEMSB-A, and someone put a sticker on it that >> says "SNA Gateway". Sounds like this is going to be fairly useless to me >> then, even for hobbying... :) > >There are probably some people who have a hobbyist IBM mainframe. A hobbyist contacted >me about buying a full version of CHARON-VAX because his electric bill for running his >VAX 7640 was too high... Can CHARON-VAX emulate the vector processing option? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2008 10:26:27 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: "Stanley F. Quayle" writes: > I also used a DEMSA, which converts X.25 traffic to DECnet. Another device > whose time has mostly passed. Whenever we needed support on it, the call > would be routed to Australia, so there might be some use for them down there. > > Both devices were called "MicroServer"s, IIRC. The DEMSA hardware is capable of running several different kernels. As noted above, it runs both the Phase IV and Phase V X.25 software. It also runs the SNA software for synchronous connections to SNA (known as the SNA Gateway-ST), as well as software that allows the DEMSA to run as a Level I or Level II Phase IV DECnet Router (DECRouter 2000). The DEMSA was a pretty versatile box for its day. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:30:53 -0600 From: "Bob Blum" Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: I've supported the DEMSA as a DECnet-to-SNA gateway. If I recall, there are two models, a four-port unit and a single-port one. Both use the MOP protocol to boot from a load host on the local LAN. I think they can be used for connecting between either SNA (IBM mainframe) or X.25 networks, depending on the load image and/or configuration file settings. The DEC networking products were bought up (by Cabletron, I think) then later split off into their own company, Digital Network Products Group. I tried going to their web site ( www.dnpg.com, NOT www.digitalnetworks.com ) but got the following message: "As of January 1, 2008, Digital Networks now operates under the name Vnetek Communications, LLC. The merger between Vnetek Communications and Digital Networks brings together Vnetek's world class sales and distribution with Digital Networks top quality networking products which includes the world renowned DECserver product line. For product information and online ordering please visit www.vnetek.com". Trying to go there and search for DEMSA or SNA Gateway didn't come up with anything. I did a quick Google search for DEMSA SNA X.25 and found many links, here's one you might be interested in, it mentions manuals on the hardware: http://classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2006-February/057563.html . There's always eBay, of course! I tried searching for DEMSA, and found people selling them for anywhere from $90 to $650. Good luck with it, whatever you decide to do. Bob Blum "Slor" wrote in message news:Xns9A4F186C5275Cemuslor@216.196.97.136... > Despite all prevention efforts, "Stanley F. Quayle" > wrote in news:47C1DFAC.28030.20844B8@infovax.stanq.com: > >> On 24 Feb 2008 at 18:09, Slor wrote: >>> [...] MicroServer-SP. [...] a gateway to connect a DECnet or TCP/IP >>> network to an SNA network. >> >> You probably have a DESNB device. I used a couple of these a ways >> back to communicate with an IBM mainframe which didn't have an IP >> stack. Once the mainframe's stack was installed and reliable, it >> wasn't meaningful anymore... >> > > The model number on it is DEMSB-A, and someone put a sticker on it that > says "SNA Gateway". Sounds like this is going to be fairly useless to me > then, even for hobbying... :) > > -- > James > http://www.e-host-direct.com > Reliable web hosting from $12/year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:29:22 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: <47c2fb4d$0$25411$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> As I recall, the microservers had the SNA connectivity thing. They were DECNET beasts on the ethernet side, and SNA beasts on the IBM side. They could also act as a smart synchronous port. Some people used those to connect to SWIFT instead of having hardware synchronous ports on their vaxes. One adantage was that any node on a disaster recovery scheme could access the box. So if you have two such boxes serving two lines to SWIFT, you have greater redundancy than if you had two lines going into 2 vaxes directly. MicrovaxII CPU s what I had been told. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2008 11:55:31 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Uses for a MicroServer-SP? Message-ID: <06tEP6dAU5OS@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <47c2dd5d$0$8074$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > Can CHARON-VAX emulate the vector processing option? Any VAX can emulate the vector processing option since an emulator is built into VMS. I actually ran the emulator on a VAX 2000 just so I could play around with the then new instructions in Macro-32. Of course, emulating it in a hardware emulator might be faster than trapping the OPDEC and emulating it in VMS. 8-) Which reminds me of emulating G float on an 11/780 that didn't have the G and H option. Not that a 780 was fast to begin with, recompiling 300,000 lines of code just so I could watch it trap into the emulator was an interesting exercise in measuring slow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:36:59 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Vector Processing (was: Uses for a MicroServer-SP?) Message-ID: <47C2B66B.1095.3C4784@infovax.stanq.com> On 25 Feb 2008 at 15:23, VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Can CHARON-VAX emulate the vector processing option? No, but I haven't encountered anyone using it. Good thing to add to my migration checklist... --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:31:16 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Wollogong TCP/IP stack Message-ID: <47C2C324.7124.6DF980@infovax.stanq.com> I have a client running the very-ancient Wollogong IP stack. While it works just fine, they'd like to add DCPS for printing, but DCPS doesn't support that stack. I vaguely remember that Wollogong became TCPware. Is that correct? Adding to the "fun" is that they may have written some programs to that stack, so those need to be migrated... --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.112 ************************