INFO-VAX Fri, 07 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 134 Contents: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: from TheDailyWTF Java 1.4.2 : headless graphics generation via Tomcat WebApp. looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch Re: looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch Re: looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch MYDOMAIN_COM.DB_805260;1 in bind directory Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Shadow set problem finally solved ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Mar 2008 11:18:03 -0600 From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <9txe$kJI1CdW@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <08030613485719_20204A45@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > From: AttackTribble@gmail.com > >> There's a potential problem here. What kind of binary is it? If it's >> an EXE, dropping it on Windows has probably wrecked the attributes. >> You'll have to fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it. >> [...] > > When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly > occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. Are there any attributes in Windows at all? As far as I know, the only thing like an attribute is a file extension. I would go so far as to surmise that drag and drop is a bit like VMS COPY: what it knows about file attributes is moot, since it copies the bits, then sets the destination 'attributes', if there are any, to match the source. The key with iso9660 mounted CD's is to mount them binary if you do not want VMS to try to interpret files as text files. Once you have copied the binary format over to your local drive, set the attributes back to what you want them to be. I have found that stream-linefeed tends to work even for many binary formats. An EXE should probably be defined as fixed:512 . >> It is possible to burn a VMS format CD on a PC, but unfortunately you >> have to build an ISO image on a VMS system in the first place and copy >> it to the PC. There's a freeware utility called VMSCD that will create >> an ISO for you. Google found me links to it straight away. I've used >> it for building release CDs for the software we sell. > > Should I assume that when you say "ISO" here, you mean "image", not > anything actually related to an ISO 9660 file system? For information > on what an "ISO" really is, see, for example: > > http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm He means, of course, a .iso extension in Windows (or *nix), something intended to refer to an image of an iso9660 filesystem. Of course, the burner software does not care what the contents are, and if it happens to be an ODS-2 image, it will happily put that on the CD for you when burning from an image file. The "ISO" terminology is not accidental in his post - many common burners do in fact call it an ISO or something similar instead of calling it an image. -- George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org cornelius A T mayo D O T edu ------------------------------ Date: 07 Mar 2008 13:10:28 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: from TheDailyWTF Message-ID: <47d13ec4$0$5632$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:55:42 -0800, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> My apologies if it has been posted before: >> >> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Jurassic-Programmers-.aspx >> >> Arne > >In the 80's General Motors tried to move off VAX PL/I on to Unix/C >The project was cancelled after several years and $12M later. Ford had >a similar experience ...but sharing their experience... Ford is now foisting Micro$oft ladden automobiles upon the hapless public. Hey kids, "Where do you want to go today?" Well you can't because the car has been hacked and it has the latest 'NoGoNoHow' virus. I can't wait for the day you turn the ignition key and get a dash console popup. +----------------------+ | Engine start failure | | | | [Abort][Retry][Fail] | +----------------------+ Good thing the "Geek Squad" is mobile in their Micro$oft free VW bugs. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) From: CodeAmazon Subject: Java 1.4.2 : headless graphics generation via Tomcat WebApp. Message-ID: <33243371-2bce-4098-815e-ad9eb38d3c5b@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> I have a JSP page that is using the Jasper Reports libraries to process XML .jrxml files into reports. Part of this process includes processing (but not displaying) images on the server. So I need to run headless. As this was a proof of concept, I included this code: System.setProperty("java.awt.headless", "true"); This shifted the error from the expected "Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0.0'." message to a new message: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:141) at java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEnvironment.java: 62) [etc...] I did some more research and found a few forum posts that suggested that I should try installing the PJA toolkit instead. So I added this code : Properties prop = System.getProperties (); prop.put ("awt.toolkit", "com.eteks.awt.PJAToolkit"); System.setProperties (prop); It worked, and I'd found a few indications that headless Java on VMS might not be perfect (at least for 1.4.1 -- we're using 1.4.2 though) so I thought that perhaps I simply needed this package. PJA.jar and PJATools.jar are both in the [.webapp.myapp.web-inf.lib] directory, btw. So it worked. For a while (~4 days). Now it sometimes works, sometimes doesn't work, which has me absolutely baffled. When it fails, it is with the NoClassDefFoundError I noted above. I can't find the pattern -- restarting Tomcat doesn't reliably break it or fix it. Nobody else is mucking about with Java, and since I have it directly prior to the report generation that needs the code, it should be getting set when I need it anyhow. The jars are in the library (yes, I looked again just now) where my webapp would try to find them. I could really use a primer (either link or here) about running graphics packages on VMS. In particular, is there something like X windows I should try to get running? Is there some trick to getting headless operation working the way you would expect? It almost seems like a scope issue, but maybe I don't know enough about how the configuration is applied at various levels? (User level, system level, Tomcat, webapp...?) Thank you, Shasta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:02:14 -0800 (PST) From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch Message-ID: Hello Anyone have this patch handy. Getting cannot display this page from ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/VAXTZ01_073.ZIPEXE. I downloaded the file before, but I cannot find it in the directory where I keep the patches. tks phillip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:38:43 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005B6FA485257405_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Try: ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/VAXTZ02_073.ZIPEXE. [01 is no longer there] "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" wrote on 03/07/2008 10:02:14 AM: > Hello > Anyone have this patch handy. Getting cannot display this page from > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/VAXTZ01_073.ZIPEXE. > I downloaded the file before, but I cannot find it in the directory > where I keep the patches. > tks > phillip --=_alternative 005B6FA485257405_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Try:

ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/VAXTZ02_073.ZIPEXE.
[01 is no longer there]

"tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> wrote on 03/07/2008 10:02:14 AM:

> Hello
> Anyone have this patch handy. Getting cannot display this page from
> ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/vax/V7.3/VAXTZ01_073.ZIPEXE.
> I downloaded the file before, but I cannot find it in the directory
> where I keep the patches.
> tks
> phillip
 --=_alternative 005B6FA485257405_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:08:39 -0800 (PST) From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" Subject: Re: looking for VAXTZ01_073 patch Message-ID: Thank you very much. phillip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:25:02 -0500 From: sol gongola Subject: MYDOMAIN_COM.DB_805260;1 in bind directory Message-ID: <47d17ab1$0$5624$607ed4bc@cv.net> I found hundreds of files like: MYDOMAIN.COM.DB_805260;1 and 1_168_192_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB_90343E;1 in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$BIND] They are all length 0 blocks and I see no messages about it in the operator or bind logs and they stop coming for several days when I restart bind. Any Idea what causes this and what I can do to prevent it? Thank you Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 - ECO 5 on a AlphaServer 2100 4/275 running OpenVMS V7.2-1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:50:17 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <13t20eijnl8s73e@corp.supernews.com> wrote in message news:521cd774-b84c-4318-97cb-c4a865cf2486@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Mar 6, 10:04 am, Andrew wrote: (Normally reluctant to "feed the trolls", but a couple of 'points' to make here) > that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... > There hasn't been a socialist government in the UK in most folks' living memory. The Blair era wasn't socialist, it might just as well have been the Bush era, for all the difference between the two of them in what they *did*. The Blair legacy has to be measured based on what Blair did, and not on his speeches and policy statements, because Blair's "achievements" and Blair's party speeches came from two different worlds. Blair himself has relatively recently converted to Catholicism and in an interview has said he'd been worried that folks would consider him a "religious nutter" if he'd converted while he was PM. For many folks in the UK, his concern is legitimate, there's plenty of evidence that he's been an economic and social disaster, a liar, a murderer, a war criminal, and maybe a "religious nutter" too. He's a good mate of Bill's Clinton and Gates, and of Dubya's, though, so he must be OK, right? > your country is socially falling apart Andrew right before > your eyes and you cannot see the train wreck ... Actually Boob, "train wreck" is an interesting choice of words. The UK's rail safety record was pretty reasonable while the railways were under state (not "socialist") ownership (the first time they were nationalised was when the operators couldn't run them properly themselves). Since the 1960s there had been cuts rather than investment, but market forces were supposed to fix that when the railways were privatised to satisfy Reaganomic principles (ie pay for tax cuts). After a while, there hadn't been any investment in the railways, and, worse, "maintenance" had become "repairs" because routine inspection and maintenance was a drain on profits, even after it had been subcontracted out to the lowest bidder, and everyone knew that there hadn't been any serious rail accidents for years, right, so maintenance money was money wasted, right? Then after a while, there started to be avoidable incidents, some of them sadly involving serious injuries or fatalities, and those ones tended to get into the news. Market forces ended up being shown as having been so bad at maintaining the UK railway infrastructure that the company which maintained the rail infrastructure has recently been brought back under government (not "socialist") control; sadly the damage may take a little while to repair, as people with clue about how to run a railway are in short supply and tend not to be young either (a bit like people with clue about how to properly run a business-critical IT operation, but that discussion might be On Topic so I'll leave it)... 2p John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 04:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: On 7 Mar, 01:00, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 6, 10:04 am, Andrew wrote: > > > > > On 28 Feb, 13:23, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > here is a glance of things to come if Hillary or Obama implement > > > their healthcare plan ... the bbc did not report it but a teen died > > > while waiting on an ambulance that was setting at the hospital > > > with a patient inside because the hospitals were full and did not > > > want to violate a government mandate of a 4 hour must treat law. > > > > Canada people coming here ... England people that have the money > > > flying to India to have surgery ... > > > > don't worry, those rich liberal Harvard grads will be able to afford > > > it while those they claim to want to help will be dying waiting for > > > an ambulance ... > > > > that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7249514.stm > > > Bob. > > > 47 million Americans have no heath insurance, 8.7 million of those are > > children. > > > Studies have estimated that up to 18,000 people a year die in the US > > unnecessarily because they do not have health insurance. > > > Want to guess which heatlhcare system I would prefer to have as my > > safety net??? > > > Regards > > Andrew- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > so subsidize the insurance companies to take them on, but > do not socialize the healthcare system! Look at social > security ... another example of lawyers trying to run my > finances, now they want to run my medical decisions ... > > no thanks ... > > look at the wonderful mess they have made of things in > England ... > Not quite sure how you reached that conclusion. One child's death however regrettable does not prove that the system in the UK has failed. 18,000 deaths a year which could have been avoided if the US had a public health care system like the UK's on the other hand does seem to be a rather larger body of evidence to support the thesis that those in glass houses should not throw stones. > your country is socially falling apart Andrew right before > your eyes and you cannot see the train wreck ... Bob everything would look different if you came out from behind the razor wire fencing and dumped the assault rifle. Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: On Mar 6, 8:27=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Bob, > > do you realise that people like you who use religious values/reasons to > oppose certain topics are exactly the same as muslim extremists who use > religious excuses to rebel against stuff they don't like (such as the USA)= ? > > It is interesting that the country that should understand religious > extremists the most (because of 9-11) should itself have so many > extremists and not only no realise it, but give those extremists > political voices and power. I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill others because they will not believe ... the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not romans ... ------------------------------ Date: 07 Mar 2008 13:19:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47d140fc$0$5632$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <13t20eijnl8s73e@corp.supernews.com>, "John Wallace" writes: >{...snip...} >Actually Boob, "train wreck" is an interesting choice of words. The UK's >rail safety record was pretty reasonable while the railways were under state >(not "socialist") ownership (the first time they were nationalised was when >the operators couldn't run them properly themselves). Since the 1960s there >had been cuts rather than investment, but market forces were supposed to fix >that when the railways were privatised to satisfy Reaganomic principles (ie >pay for tax cuts). After a while, there hadn't been any investment in the >railways, and, worse, "maintenance" had become "repairs" because routine >inspection and maintenance was a drain on profits, even after it had been >subcontracted out to the lowest bidder, and everyone knew that there hadn't >been any serious rail accidents for years, right, so maintenance money was >money wasted, right? Then after a while, there started to be avoidable >incidents, some of them sadly involving serious injuries or fatalities, and >those ones tended to get into the news. Market forces ended up being shown >as having been so bad at maintaining the UK railway infrastructure that the >company which maintained the rail infrastructure has recently been brought >back under government (not "socialist") control; sadly the damage may take a >little while to repair, as people with clue about how to run a railway are >in short supply and tend not to be young either (a bit like people with clue >about how to properly run a business-critical IT operation, but that >discussion might be On Topic so I'll leave it)... I've ridden the trains in the UK extensively during travels there. Here in the states we have nothing akin to the UK commuter rail system. They seemed fine to me save for a few schedule snafus that mucked up catching other trains. However, I've heard your gripes from the 'natives' on the trains. First Great Western lines and the Virgin lines seemed nice and well kept. Others, however, were old, dirty (both inside and out), and in need of repair. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:49:08 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47D147D4.40806@comcast.net> John Wallace wrote: > wrote in message > news:521cd774-b84c-4318-97cb-c4a865cf2486@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Mar 6, 10:04 am, Andrew wrote: > > > (Normally reluctant to "feed the trolls", but a couple of 'points' to make > here) > > >>that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... >> > > > There hasn't been a socialist government in the UK in most folks' living > memory. The Blair era wasn't socialist, it might just as well have been the > Bush era, for all the difference between the two of them in what they *did*. > The Blair legacy has to be measured based on what Blair did, and not on his > speeches and policy statements, because Blair's "achievements" and Blair's > party speeches came from two different worlds. > > Blair himself has relatively recently converted to Catholicism and in an > interview has said he'd been worried that folks would consider him a > "religious nutter" if he'd converted while he was PM. For many folks in the > UK, his concern is legitimate, there's plenty of evidence that he's been an > economic and social disaster, a liar, a murderer, a war criminal, and maybe > a "religious nutter" too. He's a good mate of Bill's Clinton and Gates, and > of Dubya's, though, so he must be OK, right? > > > >>your country is socially falling apart Andrew right before >>your eyes and you cannot see the train wreck ... > > > Actually Boob, "train wreck" is an interesting choice of words. The UK's > rail safety record was pretty reasonable while the railways were under state > (not "socialist") ownership (the first time they were nationalised was when > the operators couldn't run them properly themselves). Since the 1960s there > had been cuts rather than investment, but market forces were supposed to fix > that when the railways were privatised to satisfy Reaganomic principles (ie > pay for tax cuts). After a while, there hadn't been any investment in the > railways, and, worse, "maintenance" had become "repairs" because routine > inspection and maintenance was a drain on profits, even after it had been > subcontracted out to the lowest bidder, and everyone knew that there hadn't > been any serious rail accidents for years, right, so maintenance money was > money wasted, right? Then after a while, there started to be avoidable > incidents, some of them sadly involving serious injuries or fatalities, and > those ones tended to get into the news. Market forces ended up being shown > as having been so bad at maintaining the UK railway infrastructure that the > company which maintained the rail infrastructure has recently been brought > back under government (not "socialist") control; sadly the damage may take a > little while to repair, as people with clue about how to run a railway are > in short supply and tend not to be young either (a bit like people with clue > about how to properly run a business-critical IT operation, but that > discussion might be On Topic so I'll leave it)... > > 2p > John > > > I guess I'm just not up to date on the terminology. How does "socialism" differ from state ownership/control? ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2008 07:54:50 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <$923ALnLxd6$@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , ultradwc@gmail.com writes: > I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO > MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The operative word isn't Christian or Muslim. The operative word is exteemist, like you. > Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill > others because they will not believe ... They sure do. > the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put > to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians > who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not > romans ... So your alive, means you're not a true Christian? NO RELIGION has a monopoly on bad acts or good acts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:05:18 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: In article , ultradwc@gmail.com writes: >On Mar 6, 8:27=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> Bob, >> >> do you realise that people like you who use religious values/reasons to >> oppose certain topics are exactly the same as muslim extremists who use >> religious excuses to rebel against stuff they don't like (such as the USA)= > ? >> >> It is interesting that the country that should understand religious >> extremists the most (because of 9-11) should itself have so many >> extremists and not only no realise it, but give those extremists >> political voices and power. > >I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO >MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill >others because they will not believe ... > I've never understood why a terrorist who sacrifices themselves when attacking their enemies should be considered any different than a terrorist who just plants a bomb and walks away and therefore lives to plant further bombs. The IRA whose members were supposedly Christians didn't use suicide bombing but they did force others to drive cars filled with explosives at British Army checkpoints by threatening their families see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb ( So no they didn't tie bombs to themselves to kill others - they "tied" bombs to other innocent civilians and blew them up to kill others. I'd regard that tactic as being far more dispicable that suicide bombing) It is also probably worth noting that some of the Japanese Kamikazi pilots were Christian see http://www.martinrothonline.com/Christians&War/Christian_suicide_bomber.htm David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put >to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians >who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not >romans ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 07:29:33 -0800 (PST) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: On Mar 7, 9:05=A0am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article , ultra...@gmail.com writes: > > > > >On Mar 6, 8:27=3DA0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > >> Bob, > > >> do you realise that people like you who use religious values/reasons to= > >> oppose certain topics are exactly the same as muslim extremists who use= > >> religious excuses to rebel against stuff they don't like (such as the U= SA)=3D > > ? > > >> It is interesting that the country that should understand religious > >> extremists the most (because of 9-11) should itself have so many > >> extremists and not only no realise it, but give those extremists > >> political voices and power. > > >I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO > >MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill > >others because they will not believe ... > > I've never understood why a terrorist who sacrifices themselves when attac= king > their enemies should be considered any different than a terrorist who > just plants a bomb and walks away and therefore lives to plant further bom= bs. > The IRA whose members were supposedly Christians didn't use suicide bombin= g > but they did force others to drive cars filled with explosives at British > Army checkpoints by threatening their families > seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb > ( So no they didn't tie bombs to themselves to kill others - they "tied" b= ombs > to other innocent civilians and blew them up to kill others. > I'd regard that tactic as being far more dispicable that suicide bombing) > > It is also probably worth noting that some of the Japanese Kamikazi pilots= > were Christian see > > http://www.martinrothonline.com/Christians&War/Christian_suicide_bomb... > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > > > >the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put > >to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians > >who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not > >romans ...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - wrong ... they were NOT Christians ... true Christians know that only God has the right to kill, and that means suicide too, and if they do it is murder ... and you can add abortion to that too ... just because someone says there are a Christian does not mean they are ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 16:17:09 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: In article , ultradwc@gmail.com writes: >On Mar 7, 9:05=A0am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> In article om>, ultra...@gmail.com writes: >> >> >> >> >On Mar 6, 8:27=3DA0pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Bob, >> >> >> do you realise that people like you who use religious values/reasons to= > >> >> oppose certain topics are exactly the same as muslim extremists who use= > >> >> religious excuses to rebel against stuff they don't like (such as the U= >SA)=3D >> > ? >> >> >> It is interesting that the country that should understand religious >> >> extremists the most (because of 9-11) should itself have so many >> >> extremists and not only no realise it, but give those extremists >> >> political voices and power. >> >> >I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO >> >MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> >Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill >> >others because they will not believe ... >> >> I've never understood why a terrorist who sacrifices themselves when attac= >king >> their enemies should be considered any different than a terrorist who >> just plants a bomb and walks away and therefore lives to plant further bom= >bs. >> The IRA whose members were supposedly Christians didn't use suicide bombin= >g >> but they did force others to drive cars filled with explosives at British >> Army checkpoints by threatening their families >> seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb >> ( So no they didn't tie bombs to themselves to kill others - they "tied" b= >ombs >> to other innocent civilians and blew them up to kill others. >> I'd regard that tactic as being far more dispicable that suicide bombing) >> >> It is also probably worth noting that some of the Japanese Kamikazi pilots= > >> were Christian see >> >> http://www.martinrothonline.com/Christians&War/Christian_suicide_bomb... >> >> David Webb >> Security team leader >> CCSS >> Middlesex University >> >> >> >> >the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put >> >to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians >> >who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not >> >romans ...- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >wrong ... they were NOT Christians ... > >true Christians know that only God has the right to >kill, and that means suicide too, and if they do it is >murder ... and you can add abortion to that too ... > So throughout history most christians haven't really been christian ? Catholic church - Inquisition killing heretics, witches etc Christian countries fighting wars in the name of religion. Most religious denominations fighting and indeed glorying in wars. The IRA members definitely considered themselves to be Catholic just as the Loyalists considered themselves to be protestants. > >just because someone says there are a Christian >does not mean they are ... > The same could be said about many who profess to be muslims. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <0d959d12-d13d-4e7e-8066-af943b66c597@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 11:29 am, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 7, 9:05 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > > > > > In article , ultra...@gmail.com writes: > > > >On Mar 6, 8:27=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > >> Bob, > > > >> do you realise that people like you who use religious values/reasons to > > >> oppose certain topics are exactly the same as muslim extremists who use > > >> religious excuses to rebel against stuff they don't like (such as the USA)= > > > ? > > > >> It is interesting that the country that should understand religious > > >> extremists the most (because of 9-11) should itself have so many > > >> extremists and not only no realise it, but give those extremists > > >> political voices and power. > > > >I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO > > >MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill > > >others because they will not believe ... > > > I've never understood why a terrorist who sacrifices themselves when attacking > > their enemies should be considered any different than a terrorist who > > just plants a bomb and walks away and therefore lives to plant further bombs. > > The IRA whose members were supposedly Christians didn't use suicide bombing > > but they did force others to drive cars filled with explosives at British > > Army checkpoints by threatening their families > > seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb > > ( So no they didn't tie bombs to themselves to kill others - they "tied" bombs > > to other innocent civilians and blew them up to kill others. > > I'd regard that tactic as being far more dispicable that suicide bombing) > > > It is also probably worth noting that some of the Japanese Kamikazi pilots > > were Christian see > > >http://www.martinrothonline.com/Christians&War/Christian_suicide_bomb... > > > David Webb > > Security team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > > > >the apostles and all other TRUE Christians were put > > >to death ... the last time I checked, it was Christians > > >who were laying dead in the catacombs in Rome, not > > >romans ...- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > wrong ... they were NOT Christians ... > > true Christians know that only God has the right to > kill, and that means suicide too, and if they do it is > murder ... and you can add abortion to that too ... > > just because someone says there are a Christian > does not mean they are ... Some scientists favor creationism over evolution. These are not true scientists. Just because someone says he is a scientist doesn't make it so. Bob, have you heard of the Crusades? At least one pope, Pope Alexander II -- well, here's the quote from the Wikipedia Crusades article: "In 1063, Pope Alexander II [gave] his blessing to Iberian Christians in their wars against the Muslims, granting both a papal standard (the vexillum sancti Petri) and an indulgence to those who were killed in battle." So I suppose at least one pope wasn't Christian? AEF AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 00:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: <82fd1727-c498-44de-9be4-a57de24ef865@y77g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> ANAL/DISK/SHADOW/BLOCK=FILE_SYSTEM reads the disks using big QIOs (exactly 127 blocks as can be seen with SDA> IO tracing). Just let's assume when it hits a parity error, it will report it and incorrectly apply the check, whether the bad block read as part of the 127-block QIO is really in a file. This could be seen as a software problem and reported to HP. Volker. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Mar 2008 12:50:38 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: <47d13a1d$0$5632$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <9aca2038-4e20-4bb4-850e-4036ca4b82d2@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: >{...snip...} >Nope, did not fix the problem. Errors at the same 4 lbas. Have you ever determined what is in the LBAs in question? What file(s) use the LBAs? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2008 08:30:04 -0600 From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: In article <47d13a1d$0$5632$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <9aca2038-4e20-4bb4-850e-4036ca4b82d2@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: >>{...snip...} >>Nope, did not fix the problem. Errors at the same 4 lbas. > > Have you ever determined what is in the LBAs in question? > > What file(s) use the LBAs? To the OP: just in case you are not aware of it, DFU can do it, e.g., $ DFU SEAR SYS$DISK/LBN=1234567 Disk and File Utilities for OpenVMS DFU V2.4 Freeware version Copyright ) 1996 Digital Equipment Corporation %DFU-I-SEARCH, Start search on SYS$DISK: (DSA5213:) DSA5213:[DIR1.DIR2.DIR3.DIR4.TAR20031006]USR.;1 1761292/1761302 %DFU-I-EOF, End of file INDEXF.SYS, Primary headers : 42828 %DFU-S-FND , Files found : 1, Size : 1761292/1761302 -- George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org cornelius A T mayo D O T edu > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2008 08:37:01 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: In article , tadamsmar writes: > I am not sure how an image backup could fail to encounter an error if > it is not in a file. BACKUP /IMAGE only copies the files on a disk. It doesn't copy the empty space. BACKUP /PHYSICAL would copy the empty space. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:45:30 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: tadamsmar writes: >Seems these blocks are not in a file because: >1. No errors from ANAL/DISK/READ >2. No errors when I break a disk out of the shadow set an do an image >backup of the disk. >But I get parity errors when I run ANAL/DISK/SHADOW/BLOCKS=3DFILE that >implies the blocks are in >a file. But when I check the LBAs where the errors are reported using >DFU I find that the LBA is not in a file! >I am not sure how an image backup could fail to encounter an error if >it is not in a file. I can't explain this other than ANAL/DISK/SHADOW/BLOCKS=FILE doesn't work as advertized. >I was thinking about running an INIT/ERASE on one of the disks (broken >out of the shadowset and then restoring it from an image backup, then >booting on that disk, then merging the shadowset. The INIT/ERASE will overwrite all blocks marked with parity errors that are actually good. Try: INIT/ERASE, restore, ANAL/DISK/SHADOW in that order before adding the other drive. Should be no errors. Repeat ANAL/DISK/SHADOW after adding the other drive. >But I already tried a restore of a disk. I am not sure how I could >end up with these parity errors after I restored the disk from a save >set with no parity error reported. Can you explain that? All I can say is the restore never wrote the blocks with parity errors. Which makes some sense of they are not in any files, although it is a bit odd that none of the restored files moved to those blocks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:07:12 -0500 From: Pete Subject: Re: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:09:44 -0800 (PST), tadamsmar wrote: Maybe if you posted all the messages returned from the ana/disk/read someone might be able to pick somethin out. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.134 ************************