INFO-VAX Fri, 11 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 202 Contents: Re: chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Re: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Re: Divining the full pathname of a file, all logicals translated Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Re: Invoke program on pc? 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Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Re: VMS advertising ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:01:25 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem Message-ID: "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:66afeb3f-4090-4e7a-a15e-ab75939236b3@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem will finish as a quad-core supporting > 16 threads and DDR3. > > http://www.dailytech.com/Intels+Nehalem+Flirts+With+32+GHz+at+IDF+2008/article11350.htm > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ Nehalem's an AMD64 (x86) type chip isn't it? IE it doesn't run VMS in the foreseeable future? Was there any news at the recent IDF relevant to the VMS+HP-UX-dependent sector of Intel's business? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Message-ID: Tukwila On the mainframe server side, Intel will demonstrate its next- generation Itanium processor, codenamed Tukwila. This 2-billion- transistor quad-core monster will integrate 30 MB of cache, 96 GB/s processor-to-processor bandwidth through "QuickPath" and a peak memory bandwidth of 34 GB/s. In terms of performance, the manufacturer promises that this new processor will offer about twice the performance of Montvale, while consuming about 25% more power (the CPU is rated at a 130 watt TDP). Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:38:36 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > Tukwila > > On the mainframe server side, Intel will demonstrate its next- > generation Itanium processor, codenamed Tukwila. How recent is this article ? I remember reading something in the Inquirer about Intel having demoed IA64 some time ago with a joke that whatever they tried to boot on it crashed. This would have been a week or two ago. Has Intel done another demo since then ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:08:43 -0700 From: Fred Bach Subject: Re: Divining the full pathname of a file, all logicals translated Message-ID: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 20, 8:05 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: >> In article , Antonio Carlini writes: >> >> >> >>> I don't recall if it's possible to get more than one ".][" >>> sequence in a string ... if it is then you may need a loop. >> No, but it is legititmate to have ".><", ".>[", or ".]<" at that >> location unless you're sure that the string has been returned from >> one of VMS' parsers. (File names can be entered with <> for >> directory delimiters, but they are always translated to [] during >> parsing.) > > True, which is why I used to write this sort of thing so: > > $ string = string - "][" - "]<" - ">[" - "><" > > That pretty much covers all cases. And "subtracting" a substring > that doesn't exist from another string is a no-op, so no worries. :-) > > -Ken Why not try the following? The idea is to translate DSK7. Note: with this routine, I believe that DSK7 could even point to a different disk than the one that SYS$LOGIN is on. We use THREE LEXICALS: f$parse, f$file_attributes, and f$fid_to_name . $ filename = "DSK7:[OPS.VNEWS.DEC.VNEWS]VNEWS.DOC" $ _device = f$parse(filename,,,"DEVICE","NO_CONCEAL") $ _id = f$file_att(filename,"FID") $ write sys$output f$fid(_device,_id) RAD1:[DATA.OPS.DSK7.OPS.VNEWS.DEC.VNEWS]VNEWS.DOC;1 Notice how the above routine translated the DSK7 logical all the way back to the top-level directory on RAD1. .. fred bach .. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Message-ID: <3959c5d5-9ecd-41dd-b916-c5c257b3f104@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 10:18=A0am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > yyyc186 wrote: > > On Apr 9, 8:34 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > >> The rate will improve when the few people who will work for a figure > >> that low can't get the job done!- Hide quoted text - > > > Not a chance. =A0This is EDS we are takling about. =A0Think Wal-mart or > > the Chinese government with tanks in Teniman Square and you will have > > an accurate image. =A0They have been looking since before November 2007 > > and feel no guilt what-so-ever for repeated cattle calls tying up good > > people's time. > > They obviously don't need help very badly. =A0Nobody HAS to work for them.= > If they won't pay a market rate they'll have a hard time finding anyone. > Anyone they do find at that price will probably not have either the > intelligence or the experience usually considered necessary! > > For $70/hr and a permanent position I'd consider moving to Illinois. To each their own. I know the client, I know the system, and I know the fine fine quality EDS has applied to both in the 5-7 years they've had the outsourcing contract for that company. I won't go there for under $340/hr. and I only have to drive a little farther. To put it in perspective for you, there has been a revolving door of "off-shore- talent" which had exposure to Visual Basic brought in to make changes to DEC BASIC code. 90 hours will be a short week. But hey, it's your ulcer, alchoholism, and fatal heart attack. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Message-ID: On Apr 10, 1:37 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > > I'll keep it in mind in the unlikely event that I'm ever approached with > an offer for this job. I've done VERY little DEC BASIC and not much > BASIC of any sort. Fortran, C, Macro-32, and DCL I can handle. Well, the add posted here wasn't quite accurate. Unless the requirements have changed dramatically from November time-frame, you MUST be a US citizen and will be required to obtain a full security clearance, not just a drug screening and criminal background check. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:11:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Invoke program on pc? Message-ID: <7efd1e71-1713-46cb-9494-c5c9e54cd049@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 9, 3:45 am, Hal Kuff wrote: > In article <47fc216f$0$90268$14726...@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > > > Hal Kuff wrote: > > > Anyone have examples of a program on an openvms system starting a > > > browser session on a deskop (knowing the ip) and passing a url? > > > Would this be DCOM? Looking for code! > > > Hopefully that can not be done without something explicit been > > set up on the PC for it. > > > I think the simple solution would be a small utility on the > > PC that listen on a socket, accept a connection, verify some > > username/password and execute the given command. > > > Or find an rexec/rsh server for Windows (it is not built in). > > > Arne > > Hi, thanks for the reply.... I have to poke around, I thought DCOM was > it... could also do a socket program that calls vba I would think... Maybe you could describe the application a bit better. Is the desktop already logged in to the server via a terminal emulator or x-server? If not, is there any other socket open between the two? You need something on the PC that knows the server and can listen for a request. Otherwise, doing anything to just any old desktop shouldn't be allowed, except maybe sending it mail with a link they can click open. Rob has told you one way, via Reflection (or even PowerTerm 525) and that's what we do, and it works just fine. You'll have to tell us more if you want better answers. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 14:37:44 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article <6.1.2.0.2.20080410072218.0234bcc0@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly writes: > > Yeah, just look: 30 years later & VMS is still being developed & sold... > Because of people who know O-p-e-n is silent when followed by V-M-S! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:49:10 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: Dan O'Reilly wrote: > Yeah, just look: 30 years later & VMS is still being developed & sold... I can see it two ways: No, HP will not do what is right and doesn't want to sell VMS to some company that would really leverage the full potential of VMS. So VMS is not being sold. Secondly, "selling" implies activity of selling on the part of the vendor. VMS isn't being sold in that sense. It is being made available for purchase to those who have heard about it and are determined enough to navigate through HP's maze of people who don't know about VMS until they reach someone who knows what buttons to press on the computer to bring up the price list and allows the determined individual to buy VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:30:41 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080410142251.05e78e68@raptor.psccos.com> Oh, for crying out loud! I've been hearing the same lamentations for the last 15 years, no matter WHO owned it (DEC, Compaq or HP)! The fact of the matter is, the VMS isn't what it was in the 80's, and no amount of wishing or blame-throwing will change that. How much in the computer industry IS what it was in 1978? The best marketing in the world (and no, VMS hasn't been the beneficiary of that) can't change the fact that the computing industry has changed dramatically. HP isn't doing anything new or different vis-a-vis VMS, it's the same complaints I heard in the early 90's. A 30+ year run is outstanding in the computer business, and as long as I can still make money working with it, I'm going to do so. But someday it's going to peter out for good, and when that happens, I hope I'm close enough to retirement to just cash it in. I've been working with VMS for nearly 30 years. Do I want it to stay around forever? Sure, but it ain't gonna happen. I went thru the same thing with OS-8 and RSX/RSTS/RT at DEC, and now VMS. It ain't dead yet, but it's not what it used to be. But so what? Neither am I... At 01:49 PM 4/10/2008, JF Mezei wrote: >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > > > Yeah, just look: 30 years later & VMS is still being developed & sold... > >I can see it two ways: > >No, HP will not do what is right and doesn't want to sell VMS to some >company that would really leverage the full potential of VMS. So VMS is >not being sold. > >Secondly, "selling" implies activity of selling on the part of the >vendor. VMS isn't being sold in that sense. It is being made available >for purchase to those who have heard about it and are determined enough >to navigate through HP's maze of people who don't know about VMS until >they reach someone who knows what buttons to press on the computer to >bring up the price list and allows the determined individual to buy VMS. ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:10:55 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <23ef5$47fe8108$cef8887a$27852@TEKSAVVY.COM> Dan O'Reilly wrote: > or blame-throwing will change that. How much in the computer industry IS > what it was in 1978? The best marketing in the world (and no, VMS hasn't > been the beneficiary of that) can't change the fact that the computing > industry has changed dramatically. Well, the 8086 is still in business more than ever, it has moved into the 64 bit space and evolved from a toy controller into a serious enterprise server architecture. All thanks to MARKETING. Microsoft is still in business. And DOS has evolved into Windows. Apple is is still in business. And MacOS has evolved into a Unixoid. Unix is still in business, despite being much older than VMS. The point is that VMS has had many technological innovations and leadership over its lifetime, but they were never leveraged. Now, VMS has runned out of such innovations, and it is running on the steam left from clustering. It can no longer fully leverage the close partnership with systems designs (galaxy on wildfire/GS class machines). What you need to do is look at the PACE of development. Yes, on paper, VMS is still being developped. Yes, 8.4 will eventually arrive with new features. But HP employees have made it quite clear that interactive use is no longer a priorioty for development. And those priorities seem to get narrower and narrower with time. Eventually, priority will be on ensuring VMS runs on whatever new IA64 boxes HP releases between now and the end of life of IA64 systems. I think that VMS has already become another Tandem NSK with very limited market niches and irrelevant in the marketplace unless your are mandates to run such a machine. HP doesn't sell VMS, OMX did. HP didn't sell VMS, Cerner did. Essentially sold as an embedded system. Apple still has a long way to go to reach the technical capabilities of VMS. But it is moving fast. VMS isn't moving fast. Eventually, even Apple will surpass VMS. (and for many technologies, it is already way beyond VMS). (replace Apple with Sun/Solaris or IBM Aix if you want and the story is probably the same). There is no reason VMS couldn't have succeeded today. And when HP took VMS over, I really think that HP had a good chance to rescue VMS and bring it back into the limelight. It chose not to. Now, I think it is too far back to bring back to life. Based on statements made here very often, it appears that VMS product management is not interersted (or is not allowed to be interested) in developping new stuff to get new types of customers. Their focus is on responding to the needs of the remaining customer base. And when that customer base is still shrinking, (especially with departure of Cerner), those needs are becoming narrower and narrower. > computer business, and as long as I can still make money working with it, > I'm going to do so. Good for you. Just understand that there is currently an oversupply of VMS expertise and more and more VMS people leaving for greener pastures because they see what is coming. gartner may have been way off target when predicting VMS's death, but they saw the clear signs that VMS management wasn't taking the steps to make VMS prosperous and this has not changed since the 1990s, and now, VMS has gotten to a stage where it will decline at a faster rate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:21:58 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > But HP employees have made it quite clear that interactive use > is no longer a priorioty for development. Just as for any other server-OS on the planet, even 3270 on MVS is replaced by other client tools, web based or whatever. VMS is no different than any other server-OS in this regard. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:32:19 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080410153137.05ed19a8@raptor.psccos.com> Now, now, quit trying to throw logic into it......some people would=20 much rather emote... At 03:21 PM 4/10/2008, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: >JF Mezei wrote: > >>But HP employees have made it quite clear that interactive use >>is no longer a priorioty for development. > >Just as for any other server-OS on the planet, even 3270 >on MVS is replaced by other client tools, web based or >whatever. VMS is no different than any other server-OS >in this regard. > ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:43:58 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <1c043$47fe982f$cef8887a$13103@TEKSAVVY.COM> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Just as for any other server-OS on the planet, even 3270 > on MVS is replaced by other client tools, web based or > whatever. VMS is no different than any other server-OS > in this regard. OS that are relegated to server only stuff don't have much of a future. Even Linux knows that to gain market traction, it needs to have a modern user interface. VMS isn't developping its user interface because there is no demand for it. It dropped it many eons ago because of budget cutbacks due to dwindling revenus at Digital. And because someone called Palmer decided to give the keys to Microsoft instead of competing against Microsoft. Fpor the record, Digital had office suite and GUI word processor well before Microsoft had anything credible in that area, complete with clustering, networking and prop]er backup, well before microsoft had anything comparable. Yet, Digital chose to price itself outof the market. VMS management has hoped that by repeating "there is no demand for user interface in a server OS" that you will believe it and totally forget that VMS was designed to go from desktop to data centre. You need not look at what is left of VMS today, you need to look at the path it has taken in recent times. This points to its future because it is clear HP does not intent to lift a finger to change that path. And the path isn't a straight line, it is an exponential one (going down). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:28:47 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47feccdf$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Galen wrote: >> My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good >> prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) >> but none that involve VMS. > > If you have the opportunity to get your employer to pay for courses to > retrain you in other OS or networking, TAKE IT. > > Back in 1992, some politician said "It's the economy, stupid". > > For IT, one can say "It's the applications, stupid". > > And while I wouldn't wish anyone be forced to migrate to Windows, Unix > does offer a good compromise between a properly structured OS and > application availability. Getting training in RHEL, SLES or VMWare GSX should make good job possibilities for some years to come. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:30:29 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47fecd45$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Antonio Carlini wrote: > "Ken Robinson" wrote in > news:7dd80f60804021305i6ddd82f2k3fec8c60b0ed9e13@mail.gmail.com: >> If you're not a member of LinkedIn I would >> recommend signing up there. > > I'm there so I had a quick look. LinkedIn claims not to know about any > UK VMS jobs, and presents a bunch (~250) from SimplyHired. A quick check on > a few (that weren't obvious duplicates) either were jobs that were no > longer available or jobs that had VMS in the list of requirements (usually > behind other requirements like "Microsoft" and "Unix"). > > Maybe things are better in the US for VMS jobs (although maybe not judging > by the comments in the thread). Perhaps the jobs have all gone to the ~500 > people who show up on a search for "OpenVMS". > > Is there a better way to use LinkedIn that I'm not aware of? (I'm not > looking for OpenVMS work, not even COBOL @ £650/day :-), I'm just curious). You do not use LinkedIn to use their job search function. You use LinkedIn to make you visible to recruiters and to reconnect to old colleagues that may know about a job. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:34:42 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47fece41$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > From: Malcolm Dunnett [mailto:nothome@spammers.are.scum] >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Remember that many at HP have said that VMS would not be ported >> beyond >>> Itanium. This is a pretty strong message about its future. >>> >> Do you have references for this (eg who said it, when they said it, >> link to URL with this information) ? > > JF tends to infer things and then re-state them as facts to further his > own agenda. > > HP has always stated it requires a business justification to move to any > new platform. They never stated it would not be ported beyond Itanium. > > Any vendor would be nuts not to have this view. Obvious. They will do whatever and only what makes a profit. It is also known as running a business ! The question is whether it would make sense to port VMS to x86-64 in N years if Itanium is dropped. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:03:57 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <7aefd$47fed525$cef8887a$16914@TEKSAVVY.COM> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > The question is whether it would make sense to port VMS to x86-64 > in N years if Itanium is dropped. Because the installed base of VMS is shrinking, and no marketing is done to try to grow it, the longer it takes for them to put IA64 out of its misery, the smaller the remaining installed base will be for VMS. The smaller it is, the easier it will be to decide to not port VMS beyond IA64. It's that simple. HP is trying to give the appearance of taking good care of VMS when in fact, it is treating it like an elderly person, allowing it to stay stagnant in its old comfy chesterfield that is getting narrower and narrower every year. By the time they pull the plug, there will be very few left to mourn its passing and HP will have succesfully gotten rid of a pesky product without killing itself in the process (like DEC and Compaq). ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 12:38:48 +0200 From: Alexander Horn Subject: Looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L Message-ID: <47fdee38@news.arcor-ip.de> I'm looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L with 466 MHz EV6, 512 or 1024 MB Ram, and ~30 GB IDE Harddisk. Offers to: vaxima@trinity.marway.org C YA, -Vaxima -- Alexander Horn, Hostmaster (of staff) | OpenVMS (TM) rocks! 10 Bruckner, Sindelfingen 71065 Germany | http://www.marway.org/ eMail: vaxima@marway.org | Trouble with Windows? Reboot! vaxima@vaxima.net | Trouble with UNIX? Be root! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:49:30 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L Message-ID: <47fea78a$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Alexander Horn wrote: > I'm looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L with 466 MHz EV6, 512 or 1024 MB Ram, > and ~30 GB IDE Harddisk. http://www.islandco.com/ sell them ! Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:36:39 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L Message-ID: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >Alexander Horn wrote: >> I'm looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L with 466 MHz EV6, 512 or 1024 MB Ram, >> and ~30 GB IDE Harddisk. >http://www.islandco.com/ sell them ! He's currently giving one away. If you win you can get it for cost of S&H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:01:35 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L Message-ID: Alexander Horn wrote: > I'm looking for DEC AlphaServer DS10L with 466 MHz EV6, 512 or 1024 MB Ram, > and ~30 GB IDE Harddisk. > > Offers to: vaxima@trinity.marway.org Depends on where you are located. Island Computer has a good lot of used machines available at a VERY good price. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:30:34 -0700 From: Fred Bach Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal Now Available V11 Message-ID: Sue, Thank you for this. I always find the OpenVMS Technical Journals enjoyable. One slight problem, though.... The article on F$GETQUI references an earlier OpenVMS Technical Journal, yet clicking on that URL brings us back to this *current* journal. Clearly the problem is that these Journals are re-using the *same* URL for each new version of the Journal, and the author of the article on F$GETQUI fell straight into the trap that this technique created. We need to be more professional about this. URLs have to work, other- wise they are useless. URLs to old journals must be unique, accessible, and must be provided, and all current and former articles appropriately edited to use the correct permanent URLs. This will take a little work. Thanks in advance. And please do keep up the good work wrt these great journals! . fred bach . music at triumf dot c a Sue wrote: > Dear Distribution lists > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html > > Welcome to V11 of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. As you may know this > technical journal is done on a completely voluntary basis and hence > "our other work" can take priority. I would like to personally thank > the team that makes the OpenVMS Technical Journal possible, you are > truly a gift. > In this version you will find many articles that will interest you. > > Aklila (OpenVMS Engineering) has written a great article on Host Based > Minimerge and Automatic Minicopy, then we have an excellent customer > story from Flugger and how they Modernized their OpenVMS Applications. > Bruce Claremont has written an article on the DCL Lexical F$GETQUI. We > also have an article on RMS Collector for T4 and friends written by > Gorazd. > > We have two articles written by OpenVMS Ambassadors in the journal. > The first is Hints and Tricks when Using Dynamic Volume Expansion > (DVE) on OpenVMS Systems by Rob Eulenstein and the second written by > John Edelemann on the topic of WebSphere MQ and OpenVMS Failover > Sets. > > Articles are available as in PDF or HTML format. 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Schweda" wrote in message news:08041012250153_2020CE0A@antinode.org... > From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" > > >> I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. > > Not really. VAX and Alpha are related, but not that closely. > >> It has 14 hard drives and one of them >> is showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but >> the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" >> no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might >> be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights >> on the hard drives? > > Is the drive in the computer's box or some external enclosure? > >> I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax >> Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? > > Not likely under that name. Does this look like it? > > http://hp.com/go/vms > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/ > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/4100/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode.org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:03:22 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO wrote: > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. It has 14 hard drives and one of them > is showing an orange light. I don’t have a failure at this point but > the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a “show dev/page” > no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might > be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights > on the hard drives? > > I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax > Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? > > > > Mike Cross > > > That orange light may have other functions but ISTR that it was used for the "Locate" function on HSZ and HSJ controllers. You told the controller "Locate " and the light came on. It was a great help when I had a rack full of the damned things! Less chance of pulling out the wrong drive!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 14:43:44 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: In article <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B80130979F@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil>, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" writes: > > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. That's a good trick. VAXen are not Alphas and Alphas are not VAXen. So maybe you have a DEC VAXStation 4000 Model 100? Why don't you look at the front panel and tell us what it really is. > It has 14 hard drives and one of them > is showing an orange light. Well, you could paint it green, or you could tell us what model disk it is and what, if any, lettering is near the light. We really would like to help you, but you need to carefully tell us what you've got and what you can find out about it. 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:47:49 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B80130979F@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil>, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" writes: >> I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. > > That's a good trick. VAXen are not Alphas and Alphas are not VAXen. > So maybe you have a DEC VAXStation 4000 Model 100? Why don't you > look at the front panel and tell us what it really is. > > >> It has 14 hard drives and one of them >> is showing an orange light. > > Well, you could paint it green, or you could tell us what model > disk it is and what, if any, lettering is near the light. > > We really would like to help you, but you need to carefully tell > us what you've got and what you can find out about it. 8-) > > Perhaps you could rephrase that as "We'd like to help you out. Which way did you come in?" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:34:20 -0500 From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" Subject: RE: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B801309890@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> That's cool. The front of the pedestal says HP Alphaserver 4100. Second, there is no lettering above the light. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Richard B. Gilbert [mailto:rgilbert88@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:48 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B80130979F@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds. af.mil>, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" writes: >> I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. >=20 > That's a good trick. VAXen are not Alphas and Alphas are not VAXen. > So maybe you have a DEC VAXStation 4000 Model 100? Why don't you > look at the front panel and tell us what it really is. >=20 >=20 >> It has 14 hard drives and one of them >> is showing an orange light. >=20 > Well, you could paint it green, or you could tell us what model > disk it is and what, if any, lettering is near the light. >=20 > We really would like to help you, but you need to carefully tell > us what you've got and what you can find out about it. 8-) >=20 >=20 Perhaps you could rephrase that as "We'd like to help you out. Which=20 way did you come in?" ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: On Apr 10, 1:12=A0pm, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" wrote: > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. =A0It has 14 hard drives and one of them > is showing an orange light. =A0I don't have a failure at this point but > the light has been on for at least a year. =A0When I do a "show dev/page" > no errors get reported. =A0Does anyone have advice on what the error might= > be? =A0Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights= > on the hard drives? > > I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax > Alphastation 4100. =A0Anyone else had any luck? > > Mike Cross Mike, The light means the drive has failed OR someone issued a LOCATE command on an HS-series controller. If the disk in question is part of a RAID or MIRROR set then it is possible to have a single drive fail and not see the error in a SHOW DEV command. Particularly if the failure occurred some time ago and the system has been rebooted since it occurred. There are lots of questions to be answered about the configuration of your system and the attached disks before anyone could recommend a course of action. Doesn't the Air Force have a support contract for this system? I would think the easiest thing would be to call in someone more familiar with the system in order to track down the problem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:53:31 -0700 From: DeanW Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <3f119ada0804101253w17794a98u7679231186b08228@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO wrote: > > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. It has 14 hard drives and one of them is > showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but the light > has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" no errors get > reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might be? $SHOW ERRORS may be a shorter way of doing that. $ SHO DEV D and $ SHO DEV P may be informative, at least tell us what controllers and disks you have. If it's in a RAID-1 or -5 set, VMS may not be able to see the drive directly- in which case, it may quite likely have been dead for a year, and VMS happily chugs along with slightly degraded performance... until another disk in that set dies, at which point, you'll be FUBAR. I have had customers tuck machines away into dark corners and not notice the "bad disk" light for months, or notice it and not know what it means, until they happen to complain that the system's running slow. Happened on my production box last fall, which is in a co-lo facility and the guy who was doing the one-banana tape swap didn't bother to tell us until the second one came on... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:18:05 -0400 From: Pete Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <25tsv3dnonevb0qm9n7v3m0j8anqob67s7@4ax.com> On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:34:20 -0500, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" wrote: >That's cool. The front of the pedestal says HP Alphaserver 4100. >Second, there is no lettering above the light. > Really depends on the controller/s the disk is connected to. Not all controllers use the fault line and it could be a meaningles. A show device/full will give you a device name and a device type. If its a raid controller such a HSZ or Mylex its likely you have a faulted drive. If the device type shows something like a RZ29 or RZ1DD type device it may be fine and the fault line hasn't been implemented on the controller. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <7236f85c-d3dd-40a5-a4a1-b06444ae9108@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 11:03 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO wrote: > > > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. It has 14 hard drives and one of them > > is showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but > > the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" > > no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might > > be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights > > on the hard drives? > > > I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax > > Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? > > > Mike Cross > > That orange light may have other functions but ISTR that it was used for > the "Locate" function on HSZ and HSJ controllers. You told the > controller "Locate " and the light came on. It was a > great help when I had a rack full of the damned things! Less chance of > pulling out the wrong drive!!!!! While it's true that HS controllers will light the amber LED (flashing) with a LOCATE command, it is also true that the LED will come on if the drive fails. It shouldn't be ignored. As others have said, the drive has failed (95% confidence level...David Turner is correct that other less fatal errors can also cause the LED to come on, but they're rare...). -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:29:14 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO wrote: > That's cool. The front of the pedestal says HP Alphaserver 4100. > Second, there is no lettering above the light. > You've got an Alphaserver not an Alphastation. In this case the the difference is trivial. The graphics won't win any prizes but it works! There are two models of this machine, the difference being the number of PCI slots available. The larger one has ten PCI slots. You can install at least two processors, maybe four and as much memory as you can afford. I think it will hold at least 2 GB and maybe a lot more. The 4100 was current ca. 1998. It's a bit "long in the tooth" now but still a good machine. We had two of these machines clustered, one running Oracle and the other running the application. We supported about 200 interactive users. The machines were running flat out and one of my first tasks was to find replacements. We got a pair of ES40s and retired the 4100s to development, testing, and training. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:33:31 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <8t6dncIn5oQgGmPanZ2dnUVZ_r2nnZ2d@comcast.com> FrankS wrote: > On Apr 10, 1:12 pm, "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" > wrote: >> I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. It has 14 hard drives and one of them >> is showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but >> the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" >> no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might >> be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights >> on the hard drives? >> >> I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax >> Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? >> >> Mike Cross > > Mike, > > The light means the drive has failed OR someone issued a LOCATE > command on an HS-series controller. > The light does not necessarily indicate either condition. I, too have a drive that has been running without errors and displaying the yellow light. Somebody else suggested that a damaged cable inside the "cartridge" could be responsible. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:55:18 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <47fec507$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Simon Clubley wrote: > On 2008-04-08, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Simon Clubley wrote: >>> AIUI, it's not so much the fact that it's a easy to use language for >>> beginners that's the problem, but the fact that it's a easy to use >>> language with security tacked on afterwards that's the problem. >> Security is not a feature in programming languages. Security depends >> on how the code is written. >> > > Strictly speaking, you are correct. > > However, I would argue that design decisions within the programming > language can help with how secure that code is by default. > > For example, looking at traditional languages, I would suggest that, > for programmers of equal capability, code written in Ada is more likely > to be secure than code written in C. I guess you are more talking about robustness than about security. A language like Ada prevents various array index out of bounds and wild pointers problems resulting in garbage data being read, data being overwritten or crashes. But PHP has none of those problems ! (the dynamically typed characteristics of PHP then creates new types of potential programming bugs, but they are difficult to compare with C) Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:57:44 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <47fec598$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <47fca857$0$90267$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Simon Clubley writes: >> For example, looking at traditional languages, I would suggest that, >> for programmers of equal capability, code written in Ada is more likely >> to be secure than code written in C. > > No argument from me. I have used both C and Ada (and more than a dozen > other languages over the years) and they all have their place. While I > always argue that there is nothing inherently wrong with the C language > I am also a very strong supporter of choosong the right language for > the job. I wouldn't write an Accounts Receivable program in C and I > wouldn't write an OS in COBOL. :-) > > Oh yeah, and I wouldn't write anything in PHP. :-) I think you would find that writing a web based discussion forum in PHP would be much faster to do in PHP than in C or COBOL. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:59:23 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <47fec5fb$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <47fc2231$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >> Security is not a feature in programming languages. Security depends >> on how the code is written. > > In some languages the programmer has to do extra work to prevent > buffer overruns. In some languages the programmer has to do extra > work to allow buffer overruns. > > How the code is written may be up to the programmer, but the above > is a feature of the language. That is true. Even though I would tend to consider that more robustness than security. And the point is not very good anyway since PHP does not suffer from that problem. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:07:41 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <47fec7ee$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <47fc244e$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajhøj writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> I work in a school with a graduate program in Software Engineering. >>> It's all based on the supposed model devloped by SEI. I haven't seen >>> anything that even begins to approach the "Software Engineering" we >>> were doing 30 years ago before the term was even foisted on the IT >>> industry. >> My impression is that software engineering has advances quite a bit >> the last 20 years. But different universities, different students >> and different criteria s may explain the difference. > > What they teach as the SE methodology does not even come close to the > amount of "engineering" we put into projects back in my applications > programming days (late 70's early 80's). And we won't even go into > the fact that the teaching is all lip service because none of the > students actually apply it to their coursework and none of the > professors seem to care. Where I come from students have to deliver some software. >>> And languages like PHP and Perl are based on a paradigm >>> that is the antithesis of SE. The people using them make the old >>> BASIC programmers look like consumate professionals!! I wonder what >>> Dijkstra would have said about these languages as compared to his >>> "love" of BASIC. :-) >> I am not good enough in Perl to comment on that. >> >> PHP support well structured procedural and object oriented >> programming. >> >> PHP does not even have a goto statement. > > Just like one can write good programs even with GOTO, the lack of one > does not magically make programs written in a language structured, > elegant or proper. PHP has about the same control structures as all the other major languages invented after 1970. > "Rapid prototyping" languages by their very nature > and the paradigm they espouse are the antithesis of SE. Neither Perl nor PHP are prototyping languages. And use of prototypes can be very good software engineering- >> I doubt that Dijkstra would have anything bad to say about >> that. > > Based on all the things wrong with the underlying paradigm of the > language, the least of which is a non-existant security model, I > would hope you were wrong. Sadly, we will never know. PHP does not have a security model. Neither has Fortran, Cobol, Pascal, C or C++. Security model exist in languages like Java, .NET and JavaScript. For good reasons - a security model only makes sense in environments like browser. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:19:03 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <47feca98$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Does "C" run under an interpretor that let's outsiders run random > pieces of code (or even just available comands) on the machines > where it's programs are installed? Does Macro32? Fortran? Get > the picture? The people who developed PHP built this "wonderful" > feature into their system. In that sense PHP is exactly like C, Macro-32 and Fortran. If the application gets input from the user and execute it as a command, then it does just that. >> I've never actually used some of the newer languages like PERL, PHP, and >> doubtless others I've either not heard of or have forgotten. If I can't >> do it in DCL, Fortran, C, Macro-32, sh, or ksh I can't do it! Someday >> maybe I'll encounter a problem which none of the tools I'm accustomed to >> can handle. Then I'll learn a new tool. >> >> I've always thought of security being a function of the O/S which does, >> or should, control who can access files with intent to change them, who >> can execute a program, who can peek into memory that does not belong to >> him, etc, etc. > > With the exception of ksh I see no scripting languages in your list. > That's a good thing. I also none of the so called "rapid prototyping" > languages. That is also a good thing. Nice to see there are still a > few real profesional programmers left, but I fear we are a rapidly > dying breed. Not at all. Languages as Java, C#, C, C++, VB.NET etc. are still very widely used and will likely continue to be so for decades. Languages as Perl, Python, PHP, Ruby etc. are gaining popularity though. Google just announced their Google Application Engine with Python as their first language supported. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:33:38 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Simon Clubley wrote: >> On 2008-04-08, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> Simon Clubley wrote: >>>> AIUI, it's not so much the fact that it's a easy to use language for >>>> beginners that's the problem, but the fact that it's a easy to use >>>> language with security tacked on afterwards that's the problem. >>> Security is not a feature in programming languages. Security depends >>> on how the code is written. >>> >> >> Strictly speaking, you are correct. >> >> However, I would argue that design decisions within the programming >> language can help with how secure that code is by default. >> > > For example, looking at traditional languages, I would suggest that, > > for programmers of equal capability, code written in Ada is more likely > > to be secure than code written in C. > > I guess you are more talking about robustness than about security. > > A language like Ada prevents various array index out of bounds > and wild pointers problems resulting in garbage data being > read, data being overwritten or crashes. > > But PHP has none of those problems ! > > (the dynamically typed characteristics of PHP then creates > new types of potential programming bugs, but they are difficult > to compare with C) > > Arne > > > ISTR that ADA is also strongly typed. It is not easy to store an int into a float. It can be done but you have to first explain to the compiler yes, I really, really, mean that. If a function takes two arguments, you had better supply exactly two. And so on. It makes most of the most common screwups extremely difficult. You can still write bad code in Ada but you really have to work at it. I have seen exactly one shop that used it! I did a little little work for them fourteen or fifteen years ago; installing some software ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:59:24 GMT From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Problem with Multinet cluster service names. Message-ID: I can’t get multinet cluster service names to work reliably. It worked just fine for years in older versions of multinet, but with multinet 5.2 the domain nameserver doesn’t seem to be able to reliably see it. It was working for a while today but then it quit, eg: MALVM9> mu nslook vmscluster.mala.bc.ca localhost Server: LOCALHOST Address: 127.0.0.1 *** LOCALHOST can't find VMSCLUSTER.MALA.BC.CA: Non-existent host/domain MALVM9> mu netcon domain show Connected to NETCONTROL server on "LOCALHOST" < malvm9.mala.bc.ca Network Control V5.2(10) at Thu 10-Apr-2008 8:49PM-PDT < Service VMSCLUSTER.MALA.BC.CA: < Nodename Address Rating < -------- --------------- ------ < MALVM3 142.25.103.73 169 < MALVM9 142.25.103.71 169 < End of line The nameserver does not show the translation of vmscluster even though the mu netcon domain show displays that the two hosts are both contributing entries. The servers are Alphaservers running VMS 8.3 Anyone else seen this problem. Anyone successfully using Multinet cluster service names with Multinet 5.2? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Pierre Subject: set audit/listener Message-ID: hi, as far as I understand the help, I may redirect audit events to a device, say a mailbox. just not to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have an example of a program which "listen" such events thru a mailbox ? TIA, Pierre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:25:46 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: Re: set audit/listener Message-ID: <47feb00b@dnews.tpgi.com.au> Pierre wrote: > hi, > > as far as I understand the help, I may redirect audit events to a > device, say a mailbox. With SET AUDIT/LISTENER, you are not redirecting, merely asking the audit server to send you a copy of audit messages. > just not to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have an example of a > program which "listen" such events thru a mailbox ? > I don't have one off hand (I do, but I can't post it here), but it's a very simple bit of code. - Set up a permanent mailbox with a call to SYS$CREMBX(). - Arm an AST to fire when a message is delivered to the mailbox that reads the message, does something with it, and re-arms the AST. - Issue your SET AUDIT/LISTENER command. To interpret the information in the audit message, you need to see the "Systems Management Utilities Reference Manual" here: You don't mention what language you'd like an example written in. Here's an example of creating (and deleting) a permanent mailbox in C: To arm a read attention AST for the mailbox, see the mailbox chapter in the "I/O User's Reference Manual" here (I'm using the old version of the manual because PDF sucks): An example of reading from a mailbox using SYS$QIO() can be seen here: Now, in DCL :-) Session 1> create/mailbox/perm audit_mbx Session 1> open/read audit_mbx audit_mbx Session 1> read audit_mbx record Session 2> set audit/listen=audit_mbx Session 2> ! Cause an audit event which will cause the read in session 1 Session 2> ! to complete. Session 1> close audit_mbx Session 2> set audit/nolisten=audit_mbx Session 1> delete/mailbox audit_mbx HTH, Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Pierre Subject: Re: set audit/listener Message-ID: thanks Jim. I think DCL will be to slow in case of huge flow of audit. I will have to write a program ;) for the language, C examples are fine, but I prefer to write Pascal Pierre. On Apr 11, 2:25 am, Jim Duff wrote: > Pierre wrote: > > hi, > > > as far as I understand the help, I may redirect audit events to a > > device, say a mailbox. > > With SET AUDIT/LISTENER, you are not redirecting, merely asking the > audit server to send you a copy of audit messages. > > > just not to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have an example of a > > program which "listen" such events thru a mailbox ? > > I don't have one off hand (I do, but I can't post it here), but it's a > very simple bit of code. > > - Set up a permanent mailbox with a call to SYS$CREMBX(). > - Arm an AST to fire when a message is delivered to the mailbox that > reads the message, does something with it, and re-arms the AST. > - Issue your SET AUDIT/LISTENER command. > > To interpret the information in the audit message, you need to see the > "Systems Management Utilities Reference Manual" here: > > audit_record_format> > > You don't mention what language you'd like an example written in. > > Here's an example of creating (and deleting) a permanent mailbox in C: > > > > To arm a read attention AST for the mailbox, see the mailbox chapter in > the "I/O User's Reference Manual" here (I'm using the old version of the > manual because PDF sucks): > > mailboxessetattentionastfunction> > > An example of reading from a mailbox using SYS$QIO() can be seen here: > > > > Now, in DCL :-) > > Session 1> create/mailbox/perm audit_mbx > Session 1> open/read audit_mbx audit_mbx > Session 1> read audit_mbx record > > Session 2> set audit/listen=audit_mbx > Session 2> ! Cause an audit event which will cause the read in session 1 > Session 2> ! to complete. > > Session 1> close audit_mbx > > Session 2> set audit/nolisten=audit_mbx > > Session 1> delete/mailbox audit_mbx > > HTH, > Jim. > --www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:28:04 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: set audit/listener Message-ID: Pierre wrote: > as far as I understand the help, I may redirect audit events to a > device, say a mailbox. > just not to reinvent the wheel, does anyone have an example of a > program which "listen" such events thru a mailbox ? On an older VMS system (5.5?), I found a SYS$EXAMPLES:AUDSRV_LISTENER.B32: * ABSTRACT: * * This program utilizes the listener mailbox feature of the audit * server. This is coupled to a DECtalk unit to vocalize what is * actually happening on the node. Being not too well versed in BLISS, I re-wrote the code into C (and removed the DECtalk pieces). If you'd like to have it, drop me a message. cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:14:45 +0100 From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" Subject: Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Tom Linden wrote: > > Because they are working on the operating system itself for example -- as > > it was mentioned in this thread a couple of times? Not everything can be > > done in a high-level language, no matter how moderately it was. > > > > I respectfully disagree, I have done it, and so has IBM and many other > companies > It does require some extensions to the language, but this is far superior than > having to code in assembly or C. In most cases it is unavoidable to use the assembly language in places that do not conform to any kind of ABI, like non-maskable interrupt or exception handlers where frequently most of the processor general registers have to be preserved and are thus unusable for the compiler; also the access to some privileged resources (e.g. the cache or the TLB) may require hardware instructions that are not emitted from any kind of higher-level language. Though obviously a lot depends on the exact architecture of the CPU -- certainly with processors I dealt with so far it was completely unfeasible to design a dedicated high-level language for the sole purpose of avoiding the three or four assembly-language source files in the whole port of a kernel for a given architecture, worth a couple of hundred processor instructions each at the very most. Anyway, you do want to know details of the architecture when porting an OS regardless of how many lines of assembly code you will have to write if any. Maciej ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!die! Message-ID: <6bd1852e-4a76-477b-9055-4728bf542eb8@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 11:29=A0am, etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hiya, > > We have a client using OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity running TCP/IP > Services v5.6 ECO2. =A0Our connection goes over a line that disconnects > idle sessions after 30 minutes. =A0this part works well, but it seems > that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session > that gets disconnected. =A0Over time, there are dozens of processes left > lying around with no terminal attached to them. > > Similarly, we have a client with OpenVMS v7.3-1 on Alpha with V5.3 Eco > 4 which has users on the local LAN which get left with "ghost" > sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal > device has gone away. > > Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? =A0I've tried setting the > socket options to nokeepalive but this doesn't appear to do the trick. > > Thanks in advance > > Steve I don't have your cure, but, you state that you disabled keepalives - to catch broken connections you actually want to enable them in order so that your system will send out keepalive probes. When these keepalive probes repeatedly go unanswered the connection should be disconnect (if the stack behaves correctly). Typically the default behavior of keepalives is that after 2 hours of inactivity probes are sent out on a 75 second interval - and if 10 consecutive probes are unanswered the connection is declared dead and terminated. If any probe is answered then the 2 hour idle timer begins again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:54:24 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Message-ID: <7e2f6$47fe6d41$cef8887a$9793@TEKSAVVY.COM> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > idle sessions after 30 minutes. this part works well, but it seems > that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session > that gets disconnected. TCPIP in general was designed to survive temporary network outages. So the early applications tend to behave this way. You may wish to look into TCPIP SET SERVICE/SOCKET=KEEPALIVE TCPIP> HELP SET SERV /SOCKET Also, look into the devault TN template to see if it has been set as a virtual terminal. (I think this is explained in the manual) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 22:45:00 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: <667jjbF2j75kqU1@mid.individual.net> In article , nomail2482@aol.com writes: > > Someone else using VMS as a trademark: > > Vulnerability Management System (VMS) from i-security As I pointed out here in the past, DISA has been using the term VMS for their "Vulnerability Management System" for a number of years already. I think it is safe to assume at this point that the term VMS is up for grabs even when used in an IT reference. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. 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