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(was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:53:52 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: <20080414095351.GA26566@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:53:57PM -0500, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <20080411160017.GA3095@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 03:06:07PM +0200, Raf The Cat wrote: > >> hi hanton > >> > >> $ assign node2::sys$system:sysuaf.dat sysuaf > >> $ mc authorize mod ..... > > > > mc is not a DCL command, is it? I can't find any info on mc. > > MC is the unique abreviation that selects the MCR command. MCR was > the primary command langauge on RSX-11M/M+ as was once a supported > command language on VMS. > > MCR x can be taken as short for "run sys$system:x", but unlike the > run command, it allows command parameters. A path can be given to > override the default of sys$system:. Many thanks to all who responded. MCR seem to be more powerfull (and useful) then RUN. Any reason why it is not included in HELP? Is its use discouraged? Is it obsolete/unsupported? thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:08:06 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: <20080414110806.GA23337@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:51:40PM -0500, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <20080411123305.GA1876@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > > My password expired on node 1 in a vms cluster, so I cannot connect > > with ssh (old problem). I can connect to node 2 using system account. > > Can I change a system or an ordinary user password on node 1 from node 2? > > A homogeneous cluster (the only supported kind) has a single UAF. > You can change the password from any node. If you are logged onto > the SYSTEM account on any node and you change it, that applies to > all nodes. Are you saying a cluster with "multiple UAFs to enable node-specific quotas" (section 5.1 Shareable Resources from OpenVMS Cluster Systems, June 2002) is unsupported? -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 08:55:34 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: In article <20080414110806.GA23337@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:51:40PM -0500, Bob Koehler wrote: >> In article <20080411123305.GA1876@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: >> > My password expired on node 1 in a vms cluster, so I cannot connect >> > with ssh (old problem). I can connect to node 2 using system account. >> > Can I change a system or an ordinary user password on node 1 from node 2? >> >> A homogeneous cluster (the only supported kind) has a single UAF. >> You can change the password from any node. If you are logged onto >> the SYSTEM account on any node and you change it, that applies to >> all nodes. > > Are you saying a cluster with "multiple UAFs to enable node-specific quotas" > (section 5.1 Shareable Resources from OpenVMS Cluster Systems, June 2002) > is unsupported? I'm saying I used to run heterogeneous clusters and they are no longer supported. But I ran them just fine long after they were supported. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 08:59:39 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: In article <20080414095351.GA26566@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > MCR seem to be more powerfull (and useful) then RUN. > Any reason why it is not included in HELP? > Is its use discouraged? > Is it obsolete/unsupported? I think it was removed from much of the documentation starting at VMS 4.0 when the RSX AME became a layered product no longer requiring hardware support (the compatability mode instruction set was suplemented by en emulator). But it shows up in many very much supported tools, such as SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM and I don't think VMS Engineering is in any hurry to break upward compatability by removing it. (4.0 was 24 years ago). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:09:56 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: <7dd80f60804140609i64eb290fta85b0ebbd6c59e7e@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Bob Koehler wrote (in part): > I'm saying I used to run heterogeneous clusters and they are no > longer supported. But I ran them just fine long after they were > supported. Please cite the current support documents that state the above. AFAIK, heterogeneous clusters have always been supported. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:07:39 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: In article <5dvEfgz3yRpz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org says... > In article <20080411160017.GA3095@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 03:06:07PM +0200, Raf The Cat wrote: > >> hi hanton > >> > >> $ assign node2::sys$system:sysuaf.dat sysuaf > >> $ mc authorize mod ..... > > > > mc is not a DCL command, is it? I can't find any info on mc. > > MC is the unique abreviation that selects the MCR command. MCR was > the primary command langauge on RSX-11M/M+ as was once a supported > command language on VMS. > "MC" is *NOT* a unique abbreviation for "MCR", at least not if you've added something to DCL_TABLES ($ set command ...) which collides. It is not one of the few abbreviations (such as "r" for "run") which are always guaranteed to work. However it is commonly used both here in c.o.v and in DEC/Compaq/HP-provided command procedures. There is no warning if you define a colliding command. If the colliding command is in fact "MC_FOO", it is really, really hard to find and eliminate/rename to something that doesn't collide with an existing command. Been there, got the T-shirt and absolutely no thanks from the person who defined the colliding command (system-wide) and broke AUTOGEN among other things. Please *DON'T* abbreviate DCL commands to less than 4 characters! > MCR x can be taken as short for "run sys$system:x", but unlike the > run command, it allows command parameters. A path can be given to > override the default of sys$system:. > > -- John ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 13:06:35 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: In article <7dd80f60804140609i64eb290fta85b0ebbd6c59e7e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Bob Koehler > wrote (in part): >> I'm saying I used to run heterogeneous clusters and they are no >> longer supported. But I ran them just fine long after they were >> supported. > > Please cite the current support documents that state the above. AFAIK, > heterogeneous clusters have always been supported. Well, to start with there is the VMS SPD which lists supported configurations (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF): "OpenVMS Cluster software implements a single-security environment within a cluster configuration." And then there is the VMScluster SPD (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2978/SP2978PF.PDF): "Standard OpenVMS system management and security features work in a clusterwide manner so that the entire OpenVMS Cluster system operates as a single security and management domain." ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 13:08:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: In article <20080414110806.GA23337@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > > Are you saying a cluster with "multiple UAFs to enable node-specific quotas" > (section 5.1 Shareable Resources from OpenVMS Cluster Systems, June 2002) > is unsupported? Can't find that document on the HP VMS web site, nor via Google search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:28:20 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: change password on node 1 from node 2 Message-ID: <7dd80f60804141028h4c8e16acvd91a3c1e5dcf69dc@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_2505_30129791.1208194100165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Bob Koehler < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote: > In article <7dd80f60804140609i64eb290fta85b0ebbd6c59e7e@mail.gmail.com>, > "Ken Robinson" writes: > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Bob Koehler > > wrote (in part): > >> I'm saying I used to run heterogeneous clusters and they are no > >> longer supported. But I ran them just fine long after they were > >> supported. > > > > Please cite the current support documents that state the above. AFAIK, > > heterogeneous clusters have always been supported. > > Well, to start with there is the VMS SPD which lists supported > configurations (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF): > > "OpenVMS Cluster software implements a single-security environment > within a cluster configuration." > > And then there is the VMScluster SPD > (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2978/SP2978PF.PDF): > > "Standard OpenVMS system management and security features work in > a clusterwide manner so that the entire OpenVMS Cluster system > operates as a single security and management domain." > > Those say nothing about heterogeneous clusters not being supported. See: , page 11-10 for the documentation about using multiple sysuaf files. Ken ------=_Part_2505_30129791.1208194100165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote:
In article <7dd80f60804140609i64eb290fta85b0ebbd6c59e7e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" <kenrbnsn@gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Bob Koehler
> <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote (in part):
>>    I'm saying I used to run heterogeneous clusters and they are no
>>    longer supported.  But I ran them just fine long after they were
>>    supported.
>
> Please cite the current support documents that state the above. AFAIK,
> heterogeneous clusters have always been supported.

  Well, to start with there is the VMS SPD which lists supported
  configurations (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF):

     "OpenVMS Cluster software implements a single-security environment
      within a cluster configuration."

  And then there is the VMScluster SPD
  (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2978/SP2978PF.PDF):

     "Standard OpenVMS system management and security features work in
      a clusterwide manner so that the entire OpenVMS Cluster system
      operates as a single security and management domain."


Those say nothing about heterogeneous clusters not being supported.

See: <http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/aa-q28lh-tk.PDF>, page 11-10 for the documentation about using multiple sysuaf files.

Ken
------=_Part_2505_30129791.1208194100165-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Divining the full pathname of a file, all logicals translated Message-ID: <54923e94-ca8b-46c3-88b3-85220fa7dd3a@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Apr 11, 10:01 pm, AEF wrote: > On Mar 24, 4:27 pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > [...] > > > OBTW the comment about people unfamiliar with VMS syntax; I expect > > they'd know enough about dev:[dir1.dir2.dir3]file.name to be able to > > follow it since we'd be telling them. I'd prefer not to give them > > variances that might be confusing (extra "][" and missing ".") so it > > makes sense to use the most basic and consistent syntax in the stored > > information. > > > Thanks! > > > Rich > > Please, what are you trying to do? What is the purpose of this list? > What are the users looking for when they use this list? What are they > going to do with the file-spec when they find the one they want? Are > they expected to retrieve the file from disk or tape? If so, why do > they need the list? And how are they going to do anything with it if > they don't have even a clue as to VMS file-specs? Etc. > > My apologies if I'm missing something obvious, but I have no clue as > to what the point of all this is. > > If the OP is not following this thread anymore, I' asking anyone else > who is to explain to me what the whole point of this is. > > As usual, without the original motivation it is difficult to come up > with reasonably "optimized" (for lack of a better word I can't think > of offhand) solution. > > Thanks! > > AEF Auditing changes to or moves of designated files for compliance to certain government regulations. A physical change of location (hidden by logicals) is still an auditable event requiring documentation. Hence the need to know the physical path at the time the audit database is generated, in order to compare it to the "current" state when an audit report is run. A hash of each file is retained, along with file create/modify timestamps and FID; the FID is only meaningful on a given logical drive unit so the drive name needs to be retained also, unmasked from any logicals. The auditors are (as expected) well trained in suboptimal operating systems like windows, but are not VMS-aware. Providing basic VMS file specification information is not a problem but avoiding potentially confusing variants such as paths with the embedded ][ is just a good thing to do. Normalizing the stored pathnames also makes later comparison and parsing more efficient and less likely to generate a 'false positive' path change event. The auditors may never see the actual database. They will see a report generated comparing the current 'state' of the system against the archived state recorded in the database. The pathnames in that report will come from one or the other (or both) locations when an exception is noted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: alene Subject: Information technology is incomplete without information security Message-ID: <297918d7-c482-40d6-a7b7-5507d7230e5a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Information technology gets handicapped without security. We are a new company focusing on system and network security. We are excited about our launch and giving away complete software as free download. Go and get your copy from the link http://www.download.com/Secure-Auditor/3000-2653-10826743.html?part=dl-SecureAud&subj=uo&tag=button Secure Auditor is capable of performing audit, enumeration, compliance and forensics from single console. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:33:49 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj schrieb: > No doubt that they had high margins. > > But my guess is that the production costs were also higher. VAXstations were overpriced by a factor about three. I don't think this can be justified by higher production costs. Just look at the in-house competition, the Mips-based DECstations, which were not so much different technology-wise, but were sold at a much more competitive price and price/performance ratio. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 09:05:15 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article <48016061$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > > Is writing a device driver in another HLL than C supported on OpenVMS ? Yes, and no. On VAXen only Macro-32 is supported. On Alpha Macro-32, C, and BLISS are "supported", but C is supported much better than the other two and BLISS barely at all. I think IA-64 is in bed with Alpha on this. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 09:11:55 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > Firstly I would not characterize C as a HLL, secondly don't know what you > mean by supported. If I write a device driver that is my concern not HP's Supported: the vendor says "yes, that will work", it works, there are appropriate interface definitions provided, there are working examples (BLISS is a little deficient on this), and if you ask the vendor for help their first reaction won't be "we don't support that". There is an unsupported interface provided by some non-DEC folks for writing VMS device drivers in BLISS on VAX. But since those outsiders provided the interface definitions back in about the VMS 5.x timeframe you may find you have to update them yourself in order to get it to work. On the other hand, when I had problems in a device driver written in Macro-32 for a VAX I was able to send a crash dump to customer support and they had no trouble helping me track down the hardware problem that was causing it (even though the hardware was under 3rd party maintenance). If you want to write a VMS device driver in PL/I, you go right ahead. Happy fat Al. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:33:45 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: node and port alloclass, cannot add a node to the cluster Message-ID: <20080414113345.GA44267@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:46:26AM -0700, BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > On Sep 7 2007, 11:50am, Anton Shterenlikht > wrote: >> I've a 2node cluster and I'm having trouble adding a 3rd node. [skip] > Anton, > > Returning to your original problem, I think the answer is in the > output. > > Below, LLAMA is booting, sends request to DONKEY, however it > joins > the cluster as OKAPI, vis. > "%CNXMAN, Now a VMScluster member -- system OKAPI" > > This implies to me, that LLAMA is booting from the wrong root, i.e. > that the BOOT_OSFLAGS is incorrectly set at the console level on > LLAMA. > > > If LLAMA is booting from SYS0 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 0,0 > If LLAMA is booting from SYS1 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 1,0 > If LLAMA is booting from SYS2 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 2,0 > > > etc, etc. > > > I assume that OKAPI is on SYS0, since it is the original Alpha > node. If LLAMA boots with boot flags set to 0,0 it will try to > come > up as OKAPI, which is a problem since OKAPI is already up. > > > Dave. > > > on LLAMA during booting > ******************* > > > %CNXMAN, Sending VMScluster membership request to system DONKEY > %CNXMAN, Now a VMScluster member -- system OKAPI > %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at 7-SEP-2007 15:49:09.14 > %CNXMAN, Lost connection to system DONKEY > %PEA0, Port has Closed Virtual Circuit - REMOTE NODE OKAPI > > > %CNXMAN, Quorum lost, blocking activity > > > Dave, many thanks. It's been a while, but I still haven't sorted this out. I'll give this a go now. thanks again anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:31:25 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Journal Now Available V11 Message-ID: <3VJMj.122765$Gv.43253@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com> > Sue wrote: >> >> We would appreciate your feedback not only on this issue but the >> OpenVMS Technical Journal as a whole. Your feedback is what keeps the >> authors and the team going >> >> Warm Regards, >> Editor team The tech journal is always a good source of information. Thanks for the hard work to all contributors. Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:50:12 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: remove expired licences from the database Message-ID: <20080414085012.GB20524@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:52:34PM +0000, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <20080411160736.GB3095@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > >How can I remove all expired licences in bulk from the licence > >database? > >The old licences expired in 2007, but I cannot get rid of them. > > > >Database, issuer and producer are the same for the old and the > >new licences. The authorisation is different, but it is unique > >for each product, so I cannot use /AUTHORIZATION qualifier > >for bulk removals. > > > >Perhaps I should've installed the new licences in a new database? > > > > Before loading the new licenses > > LICENSE DISABLE * David this seems to be the easiest and the most logical solution. I'll do just that when I next renew the licences. thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 09:16:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: scripting a telnet session to VMS Message-ID: In article <480169ae$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > > But I can not even remember having heard about a desktop Windows > box being hacked. It probably has happened though. 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Now the POSIX kit doens't run on anything and GNV is far from complete. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2008 08:53:34 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: RE: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: <31Uk1oJGOQe$@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > In article <6UHROJoQYxKK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > >> In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: >> > >> > The official name is OpenVMS, so why would anyone bother protecting the nam= >> > e "VMS?" >> >> Customer relations. > > It is neither necessary nor possible to protect a name such as "VMS" > from being used in a completely different field. Which is hardly relavent since DEC dropped the protection on the name and other software products picked it up, which would be in the same field. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: <1106e304-8806-47f9-aab1-bcbdfe652a8d@k10g2000prm.googlegroups.com> On Mar 10, 5:06 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > "Main, Kerry" writes: > > At the US University I was at (server consolidation study) about > > a year ago, they used to be almost all Solaris. Now, Solaris has only > > a fraction of what it used to be. In each of the various depts., there > > is now MAC's (including scientific clusters), Linux, and a number of > > *BSD's .. Freeware and open source is everywhere because they do not > > have much budget and the College types like getting knee deep in bit > > twiddling at the OS level. > > More bullcrap. The days of colleges "bit twiddling at the OS level" > are all but gone. With the exception of the periodic research project > (I currently have some machines running Plan9), which gets its own > equipment and does not impact day-to-day operations, there is much > less "bit twiddling" then there was 20 years ago. And no one "twiddles" > on production machines in either the administrative or academic side of > the house. > Seconded with regards to the bit twiddling. I imagine that my university is pretty typical: everybody wants to play with Web 2.0, Flash, C#, $GUI, basically anything except writing real things at a low level. I blame the Software Engineering department ;) However, you might like my school a bit... most of the CS labs are Sun boxes running Solaris, and we still have a VMS cluster that the smart people use for registration (much faster than the crap web form). The school administrators want to get rid of the VMS boxes, but there would probably be riots if they did. Oh, and I've got a Plan 9 server running at the college too... fun, isn't it? John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:14:36 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <48033C9C.4060401@comcast.net> Ken Fairfield wrote: > FrankS wrote: >> On Apr 13, 8:14 pm, Michael Austin wrote: >>> There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always >>> use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. >> >> I'll second that notion. I have two DS10Ls with fiber cards, >> connected to an early SANswitch/8, connected to an HSG80, which is >> inside a BA370 array, which holds 146gb disk drives, in Top Gun Blue >> SBBs. All purchased for practically pennies on eBay. > > Really? They put 146GB drives in an SBB??? When did that happen? > The largest I ever encountered were 36GB in an SBB, power dissipation > being a big problem. I thought that by the time they went to 72GB, > then 146GB, only the "universal" form factor drives (MSA12000 cabs, > etc.) were available. Well, *they've* never put anything bigger than 36G in an SBB, but I've taken 18G SBB's, removed the drives, and substituted 73G drives with only one disk failure in the past four years. Since I was shadowing the disks, no data loss. Please note that this is not recommended for critical production environments, or for environments where fast disk I/O is needed. My own needs are more archive-oriented, hence the "need" for larger drives. As I said in an earlier portion of this thread, I'll be buying some 146G drives in the future and substituting, just to see if it can be done in an SBB environment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <19857fd5-e201-49be-b804-c9a8ba1e016e@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 13, 10:23=A0pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > Really? =A0They put 146GB drives in an SBB??? =A0When did that happen? > The largest I ever encountered were 36GB in an SBB, power dissipation > being a big problem. =A0I thought that by the time they went to 72GB, > then 146GB, only the "universal" form factor drives (MSA12000 cabs, > etc.) were available. > =A0 =A0 =A0-Ken You take a 4gb (or other) Top Gun Blue drive, remove the 4gb disk, install a 146gb bare drive, and voila' you have a 146gb Top Gun Blue drive. I tend to buy the HP bare drives, though in the past I also used IBM and Fujitsu with success. They are 80pin SCA, hot swap. Did the same thing with 72gb drives before the 146gb were available. The HSG80 needs v8.5 (I think) of the controller firmware in order to recognize the disks over 36gb. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:26:14 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: On Apr 13, 11:12=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > These drives typically consume 12 - 15 W in staedyb state The power supplies are 180W on each of the 6-drive shelves in the BA370 array. (The BA370 was used in RA8000, ESA10000, ESA12000, and I believe other cabinets.) I've never had issues with power or heat. There are six fans (maybe eight, it's in the basement) on the back of the BA370. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <054402e4-83b9-4e93-8352-a7e5d5abcab6@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 14, 7:14=A0am, bradhamilton wrote: > Please note that this is not recommended for critical production > environments, or for environments where fast disk I/O is needed. Other than warranty issues, or anything related to a maintenance contract. why shouldn't this be done in production environments? The drives are the very same ones used in MSA and EVA cabinets. Same disk performance. The HSG80 used in the RA and ESA cabinets is the very same one used in the MSA, from what I can recall. For a budget-constrained site that has the ESA or RA cabinets installed and wants to increase their disk capacity, it's a lot cheaper to go through this operation than bring in MSA or EVA cabinets. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:51:10 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: One caveat. Typically there is no warranty on products on Ebay. We found out the hard way when we thought we had a deal on 50 TLZ10 (SONY) tape drives. Paid for them - they looked OK NONE of them worked and at the time we paid $250 each (market was about $400) We had a write off that we didn't want. You always have to be careful with anything electronic on Ebay. Not to say there are no deals to be found. We were buying DS10 systems for a while until people caught on what the actual reseller pricing was doing. We had the ability to fix them so warranty wasn't an issue. But typically the end user wants something that works. One 146GB disk is great - but when it arrives DOA what to do. And even more, when running RAID arrays the disks should all be the same size and with compatible firmware. What to do when replacing a drive and finding out that your existing disk is 142GB and the new one is 141GB (manufacturer firmware dependent) You're better off finding a dealer you can trust, make sure they have access to older technology so that you can keep using the same drives for production environments etc. My thoughts -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:48028F28.98EEAD04@spam.comcast.net... > "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: >> [snip] >> I've found that the starting price and the ending ("selling") price >> on eBay often differ substantially. > > You can limit searches to those items offered with "Buy It Now" only. > Few sellers use that, however, unfortuantely. > > David J Dachtera > (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:14:01 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: It's a rare card called the 3x-depvz-aa permedia 2 4mb U2 scsi and ethernet 10/100 We have one here and it is $750 ! -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "yyyc186" wrote in message news:81735f30-054a-496b-b474-58f2efdf5d88@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 13, 1:25 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) > wrote: >> bradhamilton writes: >> >JF Mezei wrote: >> >> Just found out that some/many circa 1999 machines have IDE (now called >> >> ATA) interfaces that only see the first 128 gigs of drives. >> >Why not use SCSI, instead? >> >> Unfortunately, a DS10L has exactly one slot. It has IDE built-in but not >> SCSI. If you use the slot for a SCSI controller, you can't put anything >> else in it, like a graphics board to use it as a workstation. > > Call your friend David at Island Computers. There is some kind of > combination card available for these beasts. I bought a DS10 from him > (don't know the model letter) and it is using both IDE and SCSI. I > put the SCSI drives in an external enclosure I had. > > IDE is like watching ice melt in December on these things. It won't > recognize any IDE drive larger than 120 Gig. I use my IDE drive for > backup storage and run everything else on SCSI. > > The CD-ROM is IDE as well. > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.209 ************************