INFO-VAX Wed, 23 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 227 Contents: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? Re: How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? Re: How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? 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Message-ID: <911725d6-32bb-45cb-b991-8ca57b531e61@w74g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I'm exploring options for reduced cost bootable recovery device/media for DS10L turnkey configurations. (lower cost that 3X-PBXRY-AA used CDROM options). The option I'm currently exploring is an IDE/Compact Flash adapter. If I can get this to successfully boot, provisioning larger Compact Flash cards (4G, 8G) would also give me an interesting backup medium option. I have previously successfully tested transferring the OpenVMS V8.3 bootable distribution CDROM to an IDE hard drive, and booting the resulting IDE hard drive. Hardware/software Setup details: Startech IDE2CFINT - aka IDE2CF-B1 http://www.startech.com/item/IDE2CFINT-Compact-Flash-to-IDE-Adapter.aspx http://it.us.syba.com/bin/user-manual/MANL-IDE2CF-EN-040904.pdf n.b. This adapter does NOT support hot insertion of CF cards. Upside is that it doesn't require special driver support. Kingston 1G Elite Pro (50X) CF card - CF/1024-S Adapter optioned as JP1 1-2 - external power JP2 1-2 - +5 CF mode JP3 1-2 - Master / single mode DS10L/600 1GBy w/3X-PBXRY-AA as test system OpenVMS/Alpha V8.3 CDROM distrbution disk DS10L rollcall w/IDE/CF device present: >>>sho dev dqa0.0.0.13.0 DQA0 SAMSUNG CF/ATA 04/05/06 dqb0.0.1.13.0 DQB0 CD-224E 9.5B dva0.0.0.0.0 DVA0 ewa0.0.0.9.0 EWA0 08-00-2B-87-45-D8 ewb0.0.0.11.0 EWB0 08-00-2B-87-45-C0 pka0.7.0.17.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 pkb0.7.0.117.0 PKB0 SCSI Bus ID 7 IDE/CF mounted as a foreign disk: Disk DQA0:, device type SAMSUNG CF/ATA, is online, allocated, deallocate on dismount, mounted foreign, file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled. Error count 0 Operations completed 613 Owner process "SA_STARTUP" Owner UIC [1,4] Owner process ID 00000024 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W Reference count 2 Default buffer size 512 Total blocks 2041200 Sectors per track 63 Total cylinders 2025 Tracks per cylinder 16 Volume label "" Relative volume number 0 Cluster size 0 Transaction count 1 Free blocks 0 Maximum files allowed 0 Extend quantity 0 Mount count 1 Mount status Process ACP process name "" Volume Status: Unknown ACP type. Command used to successfully transfer OpenVMS CDROM to IDE/CF unit: $$$backup/image/init/fast/ver/ign=labe dqb0: dqa0: (Similar backup command was used to transfer the bootable OpenVMS CDROM to an IDE hard disk, with the resulting IDE hard disk being capable of of OpenVMS boot and subsequent BACKUP DCL execution.) IDE/CF mounted as an OpenVMS disk after being populated w/CDROM data: Disk DQA0:, device type SAMSUNG CF/ATA, is online, allocated, deallocate on dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled. Error count 0 Operations completed 25 Owner process "SA_STARTUP" Owner UIC [1,4] Owner process ID 00000024 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W Reference count 2 Default buffer size 512 Total blocks 2041200 Sectors per track 63 Total cylinders 2025 Tracks per cylinder 16 Logical Volume Size 2041200 Expansion Size Limit 2052096 Volume label "ALPHA083" Relative volume number 0 Cluster size 3 Transaction count 1 Free blocks 968475 Maximum files allowed 255150 Extend quantity 5 Mount count 1 Mount status Process Cache name "_DQB0:XQPCACHE" Extent cache size 64 Maximum blocks in extent cache 96847 File ID cache size 64 Blocks in extent cache 0 Quota cache size 0 Maximum buffers in FCP cache 2935 Volume owner UIC [1,1] Vol Prot S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD Volume Status: ODS-2, subject to mount verification, file high- water marking, write-back caching enabled. DS10L POST: *** keyboard not plugged in... 1024 Meg of system memory probing hose 0, PCI probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 bus 0, slot 9 -- ewa -- DE500-BA Network Controller bus 0, slot 11 -- ewb -- DE500-BA Network Controller bus 0, slot 13 -- dqa -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE bus 0, slot 13 -- dqb -- Acer Labs M1543C IDE bus 0, slot 17, function 0 -- pka -- Adaptec AIC-7899 bus 0, slot 17, function 1 -- pkb -- Adaptec AIC-7899 initializing GCT/FRU at 3ff40000 Testing the System Testing the Disks (read only) file open failed for dqa0.0.0.13.0 Testing ew* devices. System Temperature is 26 degrees C AlphaServer DS10L 617 MHz Console V7.3-1, Feb 27 2007 13:17:58 Boot attempt failure for IDE/CF option: >>>b dqa0 (boot dqa0.0.0.13.0 -flags 0,0) failed to open dqa0.0.0.13.0 The IDE/CF adapter activity LED never blinks during the boot attempt. This plus the early failure message suggests that the DS10L Alpha SRM bootstrap code is rejecting the IDE/CF device for buss-handshake/ device recognition reasons, as opposed to any content of the drive itself. If there are any doubts, it's not hard to perform an INIT/ERASE to eliminate any uncertainty. I did not try that yet in case someone else suggests another boot test that requires a populated IDE/CF data structure. CD to IDE/CF backup of the OpenVMS CDROM with verification takes around 30 minutes elapsed. (CDROM is not a fast device). Trying different OS_TYPE settings had no effect, suggesting that the content of the IDE/CF option is not the issue. >>>set os_type openvms >>>b dqa0 (boot dqa0.0.0.13.0 -flags 0,0) failed to open dqa0.0.0.13.0 >>>set os_type unix >>>b dqa0 (boot dqa0.0.0.13.0 -flags 0,0) failed to open dqa0.0.0.13.0 >>>set os_type osf >>>b dqa0 (boot dqa0.0.0.13.0 -flags 0,0) failed to open dqa0.0.0.13.0 Any ideas? Rod Regier Dymaxion Research Ltd. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:57:29 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: <480f4e8b$0$7267$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rod wrote: > Command used to successfully transfer OpenVMS CDROM to IDE/CF unit: > > $$$backup/image/init/fast/ver/ign=labe dqb0: dqa0: Would one need to run any "writeboot" (or alpha equivalent) after such an operation to ensure the boot block points to the proper location ? or does backup/image take care of this ? If you can boot the install CD, have you considered trying to install VMS on the IDE/CF disk ? (aka: run the menu to install VMS on a new disk). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rod Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: On Apr 23, 11:57=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > Rod wrote: > > =A0 =A0Command used to successfully transfer OpenVMS CDROM to IDE/CF uni= t: > > > $$$backup/image/init/fast/ver/ign=3Dlabe dqb0: dqa0: > > Would one need to run any "writeboot" (or alpha equivalent) after such > an operation to ensure the boot block points to the proper location ? > > or does backup/image take care of this ? > > If you can boot the install CD, have you considered trying to install > VMS on the IDE/CF =A0disk ? (aka: run the menu to install VMS on a new dis= k). I'm comfortable that the identical process used to successfully populate a test IDE hard drive (BACKUP/IMAGE) on the same box is also writing a valid IDE/CF drive. My current understanding is that BACKUP/IMAGE creates a bootable result if based on a bootable source. The boot failure appears to be occuring long before it reaches OS-specific processing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:05:58 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: <480f5e98$0$7224$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> When I got my first DS10L, I inquired about formatting drives. Seems that it could be done, but only from the alphaBIOS menu driven thing. (beware: it isn't obvious how to get out of it). Perhaps if you get into it, you could then try to format the card to see if the firmware lets you do it. Perhaps you have a IDE disk emulator that doesn'T quite provide what the Alpha firmware expects. Does the DS10L have the latest firmware ? (I think 7.3 is the lastest firmware, it can be obtained from the HP web site somewhere) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rod Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: <2aca7fc6-b0bd-46a7-a250-c844790322ac@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 23, 1:05=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > When I got my first DS10L, I inquired about formatting drives. Seems > that it could be done, but only from the alphaBIOS menu driven thing. > (beware: it isn't obvious how to get out of it). > > Perhaps if you get into it, you could then try to format the card to see > if the firmware lets you do it. > > Perhaps you have a IDE disk emulator that doesn'T quite provide what the > Alpha firmware expects. Does the DS10L have the latest firmware ? (I > think 7.3 is the lastest firmware, it can be obtained from the HP web > site somewhere) If it was a formatting issue, I would have expected the BACKUP w/ VERIFY to complain if it was a problem. Works just like a magnetic disk with OpenVMS usage so far. Running latest firmware - displayed detail from original posting: AlphaServer DS10L 617 MHz Console V7.3-1, Feb 27 2007 13:17:58 That date is for the firmware, not from a system clock. My current suspicion is that the Alpha firmware and the hardware for the IDE/CF adapter don't see eye-to-eye. If that is indeed the case I'm likely out of luck. I'm hoping someone can pull a miracle out of the bag. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:48:25 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: <480f688a$0$7217$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rod wrote: > I'm likely out of luck. > I'm hoping someone can pull a miracle out of the bag. In that case, you need FredK :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:56:31 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: You are correct. The error message indicates that the SRM coudn't open the device - so it never got to the point of trying to read from it. What does SHOW DEVICE from the SRM console give you? "Rod" wrote in message news:c4f2b150-d169-409e-a661-72d422ca27b7@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Apr 23, 11:57 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Rod wrote: > > Command used to successfully transfer OpenVMS CDROM to IDE/CF unit: > > > $$$backup/image/init/fast/ver/ign=labe dqb0: dqa0: > > Would one need to run any "writeboot" (or alpha equivalent) after such > an operation to ensure the boot block points to the proper location ? > > or does backup/image take care of this ? > > If you can boot the install CD, have you considered trying to install > VMS on the IDE/CF disk ? (aka: run the menu to install VMS on a new disk). I'm comfortable that the identical process used to successfully populate a test IDE hard drive (BACKUP/IMAGE) on the same box is also writing a valid IDE/CF drive. My current understanding is that BACKUP/IMAGE creates a bootable result if based on a bootable source. The boot failure appears to be occuring long before it reaches OS-specific processing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:12:23 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: DS10L bootable IDE/Compact Flash option? Message-ID: <87KPj.30647$tG6.7292@bignews1.bellsouth.net> We had some that worked with Alpha DS10 and other alpha systems that had. The SD cards worked but we had loads of errors on CF FYI -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Rod" wrote in message news:c4f2b150-d169-409e-a661-72d422ca27b7@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Apr 23, 11:57 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Rod wrote: > > Command used to successfully transfer OpenVMS CDROM to IDE/CF unit: > > > $$$backup/image/init/fast/ver/ign=labe dqb0: dqa0: > > Would one need to run any "writeboot" (or alpha equivalent) after such > an operation to ensure the boot block points to the proper location ? > > or does backup/image take care of this ? > > If you can boot the install CD, have you considered trying to install > VMS on the IDE/CF disk ? (aka: run the menu to install VMS on a new disk). I'm comfortable that the identical process used to successfully populate a test IDE hard drive (BACKUP/IMAGE) on the same box is also writing a valid IDE/CF drive. My current understanding is that BACKUP/IMAGE creates a bootable result if based on a bootable source. The boot failure appears to be occuring long before it reaches OS-specific processing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:47:21 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? Message-ID: <480f4c46$0$12330$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> NFS couldn't be started, but there was still: TCPIP SHOW DEVICE: > Port Remote > Kernel_socket Type Local Remote Service Host > > 1.1 STREAM 2049 0 * > 1.2 DGRAM 2049 0 NFS * And netstat still showed "something" was listening to 2049. And telnet/port=2049 would still connect and evehtually issue some NFS error (even though NFS was shutdown/disabled). Normally, one can use TCPIP DISCONNECT DEVICE BGxxxx where BCxxxx is part of the SHOW DEVICE output. Does anyone know if there is a way to disconnect/remove/kill/euthanise/decapitate those "kernet socket" 1.1 and 1.2 ? Similarly, I tried to shutdown TCPIP Services, but the TCPIP$INETACP refused to go away. It ignored STOP/ID STOP/IMAGE as well as the TCPIP services shutdown procedure. And since it was still there, TCPIP$STARTUP would fail. Any idea how to really kill off that process ? In the end, I had to do what Windows users do: REBOOT. (Alpha VMS 8.3 TCPIP services 5.5) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? Message-ID: On 23 Apr, 15:47, JF Mezei wrote: > NFS couldn't be started, but there was still: > > TCPIP SHOW DEVICE: > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Port =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Remote > > Kernel_socket =A0Type =A0 =A0Local =A0Remote =A0Service =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 Host > > > =A0 1.1 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 STREAM =A0 =A02049 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 * > > =A0 1.2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DGRAM =A0 =A0 2049 =A0 =A0 =A0 0 =A0NFS =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* > > And netstat still showed "something" was listening to 2049. And > telnet/port=3D2049 would still connect and evehtually issue some NFS error= > (even though NFS was shutdown/disabled). > > Normally, one can use TCPIP DISCONNECT DEVICE BGxxxx where BCxxxx is > part of the SHOW DEVICE output. =A0Does anyone know if there is a way to > disconnect/remove/kill/euthanise/decapitate those "kernet socket" 1.1 > and 1.2 ? > > Similarly, I tried to shutdown TCPIP Services, but the TCPIP$INETACP > refused to go away. It ignored STOP/ID STOP/IMAGE as well as the TCPIP > services shutdown procedure. And since it was still there, TCPIP$STARTUP > would fail. > > Any idea how to really kill off that process ? > > In the end, I had to do what Windows users do: REBOOT. > > (Alpha VMS 8.3 TCPIP services 5.5) Presumably NFS still had something connected (or at least thought it did), maintained the process/devices to keep NFS running so wouldn't kill INETACP off until NFS had finished, which it never did. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:58:35 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: How to really shutdown TCPIP services ? Message-ID: <025aabdd$0$25007$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Presumably NFS still had something connected (or at least thought it > did), maintained the process/devices to keep NFS running so wouldn't > kill INETACP off until NFS had finished, which it never did. NFS was dead. But when it died, it left something in the kernel that made the kernel continue to think NFS was there. Because of that, NFS couldn't restart (since port 2046 was already taken by a phantom NFS). There was no process to kill. And when shutting down TCPIP, it would only complain about one BG device which belonged to TCPIP$INETACP ... On a serious system, one would expect to be able to zap NFS out of the kernel without even having to shutdown other TCPIP services. On a less serious system, one would expect that just shutting down TCPIP would work and that it would be able to get rid of all traces of itself so it could restart cleanly. On a windows system, you'd expect to have to reboot to get a clean slate because it just isn't possible to cleanly shutdown an app withot leaving garbage around. Unfortunatly, VMS acted like a windows system here. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 08:57:27 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HSD52 dead reduced raidset Message-ID: In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > This suggests, to me, that people are expecting more than the hardware > can deliver. Five years of service from a drive is quite a lot. In the > case of the very latest 15,000 RPM drives, it's probably two or three > lifetimes! Tell that to the 16 year old RZ28 or 20 year old RF73 drives I use. Narry a bit dropped. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:29:25 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: HSD52 dead reduced raidset Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> This suggests, to me, that people are expecting more than the hardware >> can deliver. Five years of service from a drive is quite a lot. In the >> case of the very latest 15,000 RPM drives, it's probably two or three >> lifetimes! > > Tell that to the 16 year old RZ28 or 20 year old RF73 drives I use. > Narry a bit dropped. > Well, it shows that Digital made, or at least supplied, good stuff. I'm not sure that I would want to have that drive in any sort of critical service. Has that drive been powered up more or less continuously? Or has it been sitting on the shelf most of the time? ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 08 13:29:46 EDT From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: HSD52 dead reduced raidset Message-ID: In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: >> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >>> This suggests, to me, that people are expecting more than the hardware >>> can deliver. Five years of service from a drive is quite a lot. In the >>> case of the very latest 15,000 RPM drives, it's probably two or three >>> lifetimes! >> >> Tell that to the 16 year old RZ28 or 20 year old RF73 drives I use. >> Narry a bit dropped. >> > > Well, it shows that Digital made, or at least supplied, good stuff. I'm > not sure that I would want to have that drive in any sort of critical > service. Has that drive been powered up more or less continuously? Or > has it been sitting on the shelf most of the time? We have RZ29B drives which have been in nearly continuous service since they were new. If they survive infancy, then they very rarely develop problems. Spinning them up/down as little as possible and keeping them cool is probably one reason they seem to run forever, however the newer stuff (in particular, the 36GB drives) have lots of problems no matter how well you treat them. We also had RA90 and RA92 drives which ran many years under heavy load (i.e., near maximum I/O rate 24/7) with zero problems once they were "burnt in". George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:20:30 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:27:21 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert > wrote: > >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <480de2f7$0$11639$607ed4bc@cv.net>, >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>> Yes, Bill, I know, but how many of them do tie down their (not >>>>> "there" -- a= >>>>> nd I haven't used "you're", so not "your" -- this is general, not >>>>> specifica= >>>>> lly to you Mr. Gunshannon) systems? I know of several >>>>> organisations that d= >>>>> o not. >>>> I hear the grammar police sirens wailing. :) >>> Wen I have been in Germany I have frequently been known to get my >>> Der/Die/Das wrong, even after living there and taking 4 years of >>> College level German. I have never found a German who would correct >>> me, even if I requested it. I have always found it interesting >>> how English speakers find it so necessary. (Oblig. Anecdote: I was >>> eating breakfast in a Perkins Restaurant in Gettysburg, PA. back in >>> March. Two tables from me a man and two women were eating together >>> and chatting. One of the women was continually interupting the >>> conversation of the others to correct their grammar. Go figure!!) >>> >> >> Der, die, und das are merely the definite article in three different >> "genders": masculine, feminine and neuter. None of these genders >> really contribute anything useful to the language. > > depends upon your testosterone level, a car is der Wagen, die Maschine > oder das > Auto. > > >> >> English has a few such "hangovers". For example, a ship is always >> "feminine"; in German "die schiff". ("A little boat can be anything >> you please but a full rigged ship's a lady!") For the most part, >> inanimate objects are neuter in English. There is no logic in which >> German nouns are masculine, feminine, or neuter; it's rote >> memorization all the way! >> > > das Schiff, bitte. > Nein! Die schiff is correct. But das boat! At least that's the way it was taught 50 years ago. My teacher was a native speaker. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:18:34 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:27:21 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert >> wrote: >> das Schiff, bitte. >> > Nein! Die schiff is correct. But das boat! At least that's the way > it was taught 50 years ago. My teacher was a native speaker. > As a native speaker ... Tom is right: das Schiff, das Boot. Funny enough, individual named ships are almost always female: die Titanic, die QMII, die Gorch Fock... [And with Titanic, we are almost on topic] -- Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:49:11 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: Joseph Huber wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:27:21 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert >>> wrote: > >>> das Schiff, bitte. >>> >> Nein! Die schiff is correct. But das boat! At least that's the way >> it was taught 50 years ago. My teacher was a native speaker. >> > > As a native speaker ... > Tom is right: das Schiff, das Boot. > Funny enough, individual named ships are almost always female: > die Titanic, die QMII, die Gorch Fock... > > [And with Titanic, we are almost on topic] > May the Itanic sink with you aboard! Now we're more on topic! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 11:55:14 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <480f23a1$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <677i8hF2k0pq2U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article <480de2f7$0$11639$607ed4bc@cv.net>, > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >>>Yes, Bill, I know, but how many of them do tie down their (not "there" -- a= >>>nd I haven't used "you're", so not "your" -- this is general, not specifica= >>>lly to you Mr. Gunshannon) systems? I know of several organisations that d= >>>o not. >> >> I hear the grammar police sirens wailing. :) > >Wen I have been in Germany I have frequently been known to get my >Der/Die/Das wrong, even after living there and taking 4 years of >College level German. I have never found a German who would correct >me, even if I requested it. I have always found it interesting >how English speakers find it so necessary. (Oblig. Anecdote: I was >eating breakfast in a Perkins Restaurant in Gettysburg, PA. back in >March. Two tables from me a man and two women were eating together >and chatting. One of the women was continually interupting the >conversation of the others to correct their grammar. Go figure!!) You travelled all the way to Gettysburg for a Perkins breakfast? None up in Scranton area? You went to the wrong place for brekkie man. The Classic Diner on Lancaster Ave in Frazer is the place to go. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 08:50:40 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: In article <480e6391$0$7289$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Main, Kerry wrote: > >> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040324a.html >> HP awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs > > > If the bets you can find are 4 year old announcements, then it is a > further sign of the decline in VMS business. > Because those VMS machines just keep running. No need to replace a system that's only 4 years old. Wish my tax dollars went towrd more systems like that. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 08:53:45 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <8KbaBAKUo3ad@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > depends upon your testosterone level, a car is der Wagen, die Maschine = > > oder das > Auto. But only in German is a teenage girl neuter. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:16:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <480f36cc$0$7271$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> someone wrote: >>> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040324a.html >>> HP awarded $784 Million Services Contract by Department of Veteran Affairs OK, I stand somewhat corrected. This is a 10 year deal. So there are 6 more years left to this particular deal. However,if someome trying to point at how healthy a product is, can only point to 4 year old press releases, it generally means that there hasn't been much success since then and that the product is just riding on existing contracts without much new business. I wonder if that deal provides for Alpha system upgrades/additions throughout the life of the contract. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:34:38 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > > Ah yes, the typical VMS in DOD response. I would tell you but then I would > have to kill you. > > bill > I meant the regular Bootcamp non-disclosure, not any extra NG or DOD non-disclosure. Given that there were non-US citizens in the room and the hotel is not sure, there was nothing of real DOD level secrecy in the presentation. There was discussion of JSTARS and where OpenVMS plays a part. -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:41:34 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <480f4afe$0$31175$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> John Reagan wrote: > the presentation. There was discussion of JSTARS and where OpenVMS > plays a part. Not asking stuff specific to JSTARs: Are there any concerns about hard disk drives being used in aircraft, especially military ones that may be called to make "interesting "manoeuvers that create a couple of Gs or go through turbulence etc ? Modern aircraft now have large storage arrays for the in-flight entertainment systems and I suspect they would have to deal with the same issues. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:02:36 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: "John Reagan" wrote in message news:fukt68$jic$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > >> A few years ago is right. Fielded in 1991, approved for production in >> 1996, >> last system delivered in 2005. A total of 8 systems. There is much more >> information about the airframe than anything else and >> no mention of VMS at all. I wonder if it has been ported to Windows yet? >> >> > > A NG employee gave a keynote address at last year's OpenVMS Technical > Bootcamp on JSTARS. The non-disclosure prevents me from giving details > from the talk (which itself was very high level) plus I'd probably > remember incorrectly anyway. > JSTARS has been running on VMS since 1991 and the prototype plane was called into service during Gulf War I - if you remember the prop behind Gen Swartzcropf in the "mother of all retreats" - that was from JSTARS. Originally on VAX and ruggedized DEC3000 (Flamingo) systems, it migrated to modified AlphaServer ES40s (form factor modification and power supply). Each aircraft (Boeing 707s) contains 20 ES40s. There are 17 production aircraft plus backups and test. Plus training and ground stations. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/ Provides a high level overview of the E8. As will a Google search on "Northrop Grumman JSTARS" JSTARS remains an active and evolving program. All of the above can be gleaned from public materials. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:09:25 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:480f4afe$0$31175$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > John Reagan wrote: > >> the presentation. There was discussion of JSTARS and where OpenVMS >> plays a part. > > Not asking stuff specific to JSTARs: Are there any concerns about hard > disk drives being used in aircraft, especially military ones that may be > called to make "interesting "manoeuvers that create a couple of Gs or go > through turbulence etc ? > Yes. > Modern aircraft now have large storage arrays for the in-flight > entertainment systems and I suspect they would have to deal with the > same issues. No. For example, they do not have to withstand decompression. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:04:07 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <6794vnF2npagmU1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:27:21 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert >> wrote: >> >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> In article <480de2f7$0$11639$607ed4bc@cv.net>, >>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>>> Yes, Bill, I know, but how many of them do tie down their (not >>>>>> "there" -- a= >>>>>> nd I haven't used "you're", so not "your" -- this is general, not >>>>>> specifica= >>>>>> lly to you Mr. Gunshannon) systems? I know of several >>>>>> organisations that d= >>>>>> o not. >>>>> I hear the grammar police sirens wailing. :) >>>> Wen I have been in Germany I have frequently been known to get my >>>> Der/Die/Das wrong, even after living there and taking 4 years of >>>> College level German. I have never found a German who would correct >>>> me, even if I requested it. I have always found it interesting >>>> how English speakers find it so necessary. (Oblig. Anecdote: I was >>>> eating breakfast in a Perkins Restaurant in Gettysburg, PA. back in >>>> March. Two tables from me a man and two women were eating together >>>> and chatting. One of the women was continually interupting the >>>> conversation of the others to correct their grammar. Go figure!!) >>>> >>> >>> Der, die, und das are merely the definite article in three different >>> "genders": masculine, feminine and neuter. None of these genders >>> really contribute anything useful to the language. >> >> depends upon your testosterone level, a car is der Wagen, die Maschine >> oder das >> Auto. >> >> >>> >>> English has a few such "hangovers". For example, a ship is always >>> "feminine"; in German "die schiff". ("A little boat can be anything >>> you please but a full rigged ship's a lady!") For the most part, >>> inanimate objects are neuter in English. There is no logic in which >>> German nouns are masculine, feminine, or neuter; it's rote >>> memorization all the way! >>> >> >> das Schiff, bitte. >> > Nein! Die schiff is correct. But das boat! At least that's the way > it was taught 50 years ago. My teacher was a native speaker. Oh boy, my turn.... It's "das Boot", not "das boat". So, anyone remember the movie of the same name? :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:09:42 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <6795a6F2npagmU2@mid.individual.net> In article <480f23a1$0$25036$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <677i8hF2k0pq2U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>In article <480de2f7$0$11639$607ed4bc@cv.net>, >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>> >>>>Yes, Bill, I know, but how many of them do tie down their (not "there" -- a= >>>>nd I haven't used "you're", so not "your" -- this is general, not specifica= >>>>lly to you Mr. Gunshannon) systems? I know of several organisations that d= >>>>o not. >>> >>> I hear the grammar police sirens wailing. :) >> >>Wen I have been in Germany I have frequently been known to get my >>Der/Die/Das wrong, even after living there and taking 4 years of >>College level German. I have never found a German who would correct >>me, even if I requested it. I have always found it interesting >>how English speakers find it so necessary. (Oblig. Anecdote: I was >>eating breakfast in a Perkins Restaurant in Gettysburg, PA. back in >>March. Two tables from me a man and two women were eating together >>and chatting. One of the women was continually interupting the >>conversation of the others to correct their grammar. Go figure!!) > > You travelled all the way to Gettysburg for a Perkins breakfast? None > up in Scranton area? You went to the wrong place for brekkie man. The > Classic Diner on Lancaster Ave in Frazer is the place to go. When I am not on active duty I do my military duty in Gettysburg. Perkins is the only place open early enough and with service fast enough for me to have breakfast before I have to report to work. And I am definitely a breakfast person. Of course, a Denny's would be better. :-) Now we can start a new thread on where to eat when yu are in the middle of nowhere. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:14:08 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Intel Itanium RAS Comparison with X86 Message-ID: <6795igF2npagmU3@mid.individual.net> In article , John Reagan writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> >> >> Ah yes, the typical VMS in DOD response. I would tell you but then I would >> have to kill you. >> > > I meant the regular Bootcamp non-disclosure, not any extra NG or DOD > non-disclosure. Given that there were non-US citizens in the room and > the hotel is not sure, there was nothing of real DOD level secrecy in > the presentation. There was discussion of JSTARS and where OpenVMS > plays a part. So let's see if I have this right. They can tell a bunch of foreigners all about an important military system but they can't use it for advertising? And people think "military intelligence" is an oxymoron. I'll bet they even told the French. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:48:26 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <20080423094826.GB85906@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> Why does $ mcr sys$system:sysman do show time %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node OKAPI 23-APR-2008 10:38:14 $ brings me to DCL prompt again, but $ mcr sys$system:sysman set env/cluster %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: Clusterwide on local cluster Username SYSTEM will be used on nonlocal nodes SYSMAN> doesn't exit SYSMAN? How can I use MCR to SHOW TIME on all cluster nodes? This command doesn't give me that: $ pipe mcr sys$system:sysman set env/cluster|mcr sys$system:sysman do show time SYSMAN> %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node OKAPI 23-APR-2008 10:44:41 $ many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:06:39 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <00A78877.82FC2137@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article <20080423094826.GB85906@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk>, Anton Shterenlikht writes: > Why does > >$ mcr sys$system:sysman do show time >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node OKAPI > 23-APR-2008 10:38:14 >$ > > brings me to DCL prompt again, but > >$ mcr sys$system:sysman set env/cluster >%SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: > Clusterwide on local cluster > Username SYSTEM will be used on nonlocal nodes > >SYSMAN> > > doesn't exit SYSMAN? > > >How can I use MCR to SHOW TIME on all cluster nodes? >This command doesn't give me that: > >$ pipe mcr sys$system:sysman set env/cluster|mcr sys$system:sysman do show time > >SYSMAN> >%SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node OKAPI > 23-APR-2008 10:44:41 >$ $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN> set env/cluster %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: Clusterwide on local cluster Username SYSTEM will be used on nonlocal nodes SYSMAN> do show time %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node SSRL 23-APR-2008 03:03:58 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node SSRP 23-APR-2008 03:03:58 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node SSRL04 23-APR-2008 03:04:09 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node SSRL1 23-APR-2008 03:03:59 SYSMAN>EXIT $ $ create temp.txt set env/cluster do show time exit ^Z $ MC SYSMAN @TEMP.TXT (same results, slightly later times). Hope this helps! -- Alan >-- >Anton Shterenlikht >Room 2.6, Queen's Building >Mech Eng Dept >Bristol University >University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK >Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 >Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: How about the following $ PIPE WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "CONF SHOW TIME" | MCR SYSMAN SET ENV/CLUSTER ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:54:03 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <20080423105403.GA55759@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:06:39AM +0000, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: > $ > $ create temp.txt > set env/cluster > do show time > exit > ^Z > $ MC SYSMAN @TEMP.TXT > > (same results, slightly later times). Alan, thank you, that works fine. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:29:44 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <20080423112944.GA56016@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 03:25:23AM -0700, IanMiller wrote: > How about the following > $ PIPE WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "CONF SHOW TIME" | MCR SYSMAN SET ENV/CLUSTER Ian, that's better, thanks. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:15:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bart.Zorn@gmail.com" Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <992117ed-6021-40ea-ae41-dc75af0de689@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> And how about: $ SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER/NOPROCESS :-) Bart Zorn On Apr 23, 1:29 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 03:25:23AM -0700, IanMiller wrote: > > How about the following > > $ PIPE WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "CONF SHOW TIME" | MCR SYSMAN SET ENV/CLUSTER > > Ian, that's better, thanks. > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:24:16 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: <20080423132416.GB56625@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 06:15:03AM -0700, Bart.Zorn@gmail.com wrote: > And how about: > > $ SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER/NOPROCESS very good! -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:39:45 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: Bart.Zorn@gmail.com wrote: > And how about: > > $ SHOW SYSTEM/CLUSTER/NOPROCESS > Actually that one is interesting. The time displayed is not the time on the remote machine but just the local time on the machine doing the display. Ever notice that the times are all almost identical but slightly increasing? I don't remember if something was going to be changed to get the remote system's time and display it. -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:15:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: MCR clusterwide SHOW TIME Message-ID: On Apr 23, 3:06 am, wins...@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote: [...] > $ create temp.txt > set env/cluster > do show time > exit > ^Z > $ MC SYSMAN @TEMP.TXT > > (same results, slightly later times). > > Hope this helps! A variation on this theme that could be more flexible is to use a SYSMANINI file. For example: $ Create Set_Env.Smn Set Environment/Cluster ^Z $ $ Define/User Sysmanini Set_Env.Smn $ Mcr Sysman do show logical sys$sysdevice %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: Clusterwide on local cluster Username SYSKHF will be used on nonlocal nodes %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1 "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2 "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE3 "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE4 "SYS$SYSDEVICE" = "DSA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) $ Note that I used Define/User since I didn't want to keep SYSMANINI as a persistent definition. But defined in the process table of a batch job, or if you do most of your sysman commands clusterwide, defined in your LOGIN.COM, gives a quick way to do ad hoc sysman commands: ... $ Define Sysmanini Sys$Login:Set_Env.Smn $ sysman == "$Sysman" ... -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:59:54 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: node and port alloclass, cannot add a node to the cluster Message-ID: <20080423085953.GA85610@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:33:45PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:46:26AM -0700, BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > > On Sep 7 2007, 11:50am, Anton Shterenlikht > > wrote: > > "%CNXMAN, Now a VMScluster member -- system OKAPI" > > > > This implies to me, that LLAMA is booting from the wrong root, i.e. > > that the BOOT_OSFLAGS is incorrectly set at the console level on > > LLAMA. > > > > If LLAMA is booting from SYS0 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 0,0 > > If LLAMA is booting from SYS1 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 1,0 > > If LLAMA is booting from SYS2 root, BOOT_OSFLAGS should be 2,0 > > > > etc, etc. > > > > I assume that OKAPI is on SYS0, since it is the original Alpha > > node. If LLAMA boots with boot flags set to 0,0 it will try to > > come > > up as OKAPI, which is a problem since OKAPI is already up. > > > > %CNXMAN, Quorum lost, blocking activity > > > > Dave. > > > > Dave, many thanks. It's been a while, but I still haven't sorted this out. > I'll give this a go now. Dave, yes, that was my problem indeed. I've a 3node cluster now. many thanks anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Message-ID: <689e96b6-d43f-45a4-8b55-1f1d32e78e59@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 21, 6:57 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > AEF writes: > > > On Apr 21, 12:50 am, JF Mezei wrote: > >> AEF wrote: > >> >> > AEF UPPERCASE AND PROUD OF IT! > > >> Warning: see a doctor immediatly if you stay in uppercase for more than > >> 4 hours at a time. > > > AEF UPPERCASE AND PROUD OF IT! > > Repeating yourself like that is a bad sign!!! > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include You mean someone is going to take this subthread seriously? God help them. AEF ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.227 ************************