INFO-VAX Fri, 02 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 244 Contents: Another sad day - Digital Starion bites the dust. Re: DEC-BASIC Capablities Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Re: Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: ES45 says power supply failed Maxtor NAS share problem OT Something pretty cool. Re: OT Something pretty cool. Re: OT Something pretty cool. Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Re: Watching P2 memory usage on an Alpha XP1000 workstations going low pricing ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 00:00:16 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Another sad day - Digital Starion bites the dust. Message-ID: After running for more that 13 years my Digital Starion has bit the dust. From 95-1999 it ran Windows 95/98/ME. Then in 1999 I installed Caldera Linux. It has been functioning to log into my linksys router and updating my dynamic DNS provider ever since. It lost the "C:" drive part of the controller around 2001 - and has been booting off of a floppy and changing control to the hard drive ever since. Anyway it died a horrible death and no longer reboots or anything. I replaced it's functionality tonight with a simple php script that does the same thing - Logs into the router, checks the IP address, compares it to my DNS, then updates if it has changed - resubmits batch job and runs every 5 minutes. DEC really knew how to build hardware. (and software, and drives and tape and chips and .. and... and... ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:41:15 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: DEC-BASIC Capablities Message-ID: <481A7F4B.B0E135A4@spam.comcast.net> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > [snip] > Are you talking about ODBC calls from say a Windows environment ? > Or local ODBC calls on the VMS system ? I'm thinking he meant the latter. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 19:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Message-ID: <7c8be24c-a977-4feb-ae59-46336af28ad8@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> I was bored, but unable to focus on writing tonight, so did some poking around on Dice. There, posted in the last 7 days is an COBOL opening for an IBM COBOL consultant needing many years of experience with a maximum billing rate of $24.00/hr. They claim to have no flexibility on the billing rate. 2000 * $24 = $48000. Mom can have that operation now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:05:52 GMT From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Message-ID: yyyc186 wrote: > I was bored, but unable to focus on writing tonight, so did some > poking around on Dice. There, posted in the last 7 days is an COBOL > opening for an IBM COBOL consultant needing many years of experience > with a maximum billing rate of $24.00/hr. They claim to have no > flexibility on the billing rate. > > 2000 * $24 = $48000. > > Mom can have that operation now! > yeah, usually those stupid HH that sell the customer on a minimal rate then try to fill it... Morons. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:25:14 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: In article <0265501f$0$24991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >DaveG wrote: > >> And the DECUS name essentially died when DEC died and that's been >> about 10 years now. Let it go. > >Not quite. > >do a whois DIGITAL.COM and you'll see: > Hewlett-Packard Company (DOM-297461) > 3000 Hanover Street Palo Alto CA 94304 US > > >Compaq inheritad all the brand names DEC had. HP inherited all those >brand names too. Obviouly, it can choose to let some of them lapse. But >it did manage to re-use ALL-IN-1 for one fo its printer lines. > > >If HP has chosen to not renew the DECUS trademark, then it shoudl be >free to be registered by anyone and perhaps a real DECUS usergroup could >be started. > >If HP is to retire VMS on june 25th this year, perhaps a real and >separate DECUS user group would need to be formed since a VMS usergroup >under HP wouldn't make sense anymore. The last thing VMS needs is totally unsupported speculation about a date for its demise on this newsgroup. The continual stream of VMS is dying posts for the past decade is bad enough but providing a made up date is really going too far. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: On May 1, 1:25 pm, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <0265501f$0$24991$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > > > >DaveG wrote: > > >> And the DECUS name essentially died when DEC died and that's been > >> about 10 years now. Let it go. > > >Not quite. > > >do a whois DIGITAL.COM and you'll see: > > Hewlett-Packard Company (DOM-297461) > > 3000 Hanover Street Palo Alto CA 94304 US > > >Compaq inheritad all the brand names DEC had. HP inherited all those > >brand names too. Obviouly, it can choose to let some of them lapse. But > >it did manage to re-use ALL-IN-1 for one fo its printer lines. > > >If HP has chosen to not renew the DECUS trademark, then it shoudl be > >free to be registered by anyone and perhaps a real DECUS usergroup could > >be started. > > >If HP is to retire VMS on june 25th this year, perhaps a real and > >separate DECUS user group would need to be formed since a VMS usergroup > >under HP wouldn't make sense anymore. > > The last thing VMS needs is totally unsupported speculation about a date for > its demise on this newsgroup. > The continual stream of VMS is dying posts for the past decade is bad enough > but providing a made up date is really going too far. > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University Agreed. I think the website treatment was worthy of post and comment, but the speculation that instantly resulted is hardly useful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:24:20 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: <481a2757$0$7218$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rich Jordan wrote: > I think the website treatment was worthy of post and comment, but the > speculation that instantly resulted is hardly useful. If HP didn't want speculation about the future of VMS, there wouldn't be any speculation about the future of VMS. HP is a marketing company and it knows very well what to do to give any one product market confidence. It has chosen to not do this for VMS. Moving VMS over to the "graveyard" section of the web site is a VERY overt move in my opinion. The above were based on the original poster's description of VMS's new location. I never navigate the HP web site, I always use www.hp.com/go/vms So, I enabled javascript and decided to navigate it to see for myself. www.hp.com -> mouse over and click "large enterprise business" In the "large enterprise business" pop-up frame, click on "software" this gets me to: http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software.html Top right, there are Tru64 Unix downloads. (but no VMS) Fruther down, there is mention of OpenVMS for resources for partners and developpers. HP-UX, Linux and Microsoft Windows are mentioned in operating systems. You do have to clock on the "see more operating systems". this brings me to: http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software_os.html This lists: HP-UX Linux Microsoft Windows OpenVMS NonStop Other (MPE, Novell, SCO) Tru64 There is even a little picture of "Hp enhances key attributes of OpenVMS with version 8.3" on the bottom left. The conclusion: It is clear that VMS and NonStop are not part of the mainstream products. HP-UX, Windows and Linux are the ones listed as operating systems on the software.html page. However, the software_os.html page is by no means a software graveyard since it include HP UX, windows and linux as well as the others. > areas). Finally, on the 'other' page you see a link for OpenVMS. At > the same level as the dead Tru-64 OS and links for MPE. The original text really provided an image of VMS being on a "software graveyard" page. I reacted to that. BUT the software_os.html page is NOT a graveyard. It does have an "other software" section that contains MPE, Novell and SCO, but VMS is not in that section. What surprises me is that Tru64 is still featured fairly prominently. "Tru64 UNIX is HP's enterprise operating system for AlphaServer systems." You'd think it would have been lumped along withthe "other software". However, it is true that VMS and nonstop should have been listed in the software.html page below hp-ux, windows and linux. It wouldn't have been diffultly to fit it in since it is at the bottom of the page anyways. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:30:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: On May 1, 3:24=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Rich Jordan wrote: > > I think the website treatment was worthy of post and comment, but the > > speculation that instantly resulted is hardly useful. > > If HP didn't want speculation about the future of VMS, =A0there wouldn't > be any speculation about the future of VMS. HP is a marketing company > and it knows very well what to do to give any one product market > confidence. It has chosen to not do this for VMS. > > Moving VMS over to the "graveyard" section of the web site is a VERY > overt move in my opinion. > > The above were based on the original poster's description of VMS's new > location. > > I never navigate the HP web site, I always usewww.hp.com/go/vms > > So, I enabled javascript and decided to navigate it to see for myself. > > www.hp.com-> mouse over and click "large enterprise business" > > In the "large enterprise business" pop-up frame, click on "software" > > this gets me to:http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software.html= > > Top right, there are Tru64 Unix downloads. (but no VMS) > Fruther down, there is mention of OpenVMS for resources for partners and > developpers. > > HP-UX, Linux and Microsoft Windows are mentioned in operating systems. > > You do have to clock on the "see more operating systems". > > this brings me to:http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software_os= .html > > This lists: > > HP-UX =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Linux > Microsoft Windows =A0 =A0 =A0 OpenVMS > NonStop =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Other (MPE, Novell, SCO) > Tru64 > > There is even a little picture of "Hp enhances key attributes of OpenVMS > with version 8.3" on the bottom left. > > The conclusion: > > It is clear that VMS and NonStop are not part of the mainstream > products. HP-UX, Windows and Linux are the ones listed as operating > systems on the software.html page. > > However, the software_os.html page is by no means a software graveyard > since it include HP UX, windows and linux as well as the others. > > > areas). =A0Finally, on the 'other' page you see a link for OpenVMS. =A0A= t > > the same level as the dead Tru-64 OS and links for MPE. > > The original text really provided an image of VMS being on a "software > graveyard" page. =A0I reacted to that. =A0BUT the software_os.html page is= > NOT a graveyard. It does have an "other software" section that contains > MPE, Novell and SCO, but VMS is not in that section. > > What surprises me is that Tru64 is still featured fairly prominently. > "Tru64 UNIX is HP's enterprise operating system for AlphaServer > systems." =A0You'd think it would have been lumped along withthe "other > software". > > However, it is true that VMS and nonstop should have been listed in the > software.html page below hp-ux, windows and linux. It wouldn't have been > diffultly to fit it in since it is at the bottom of the page anyways. Quick update. Just got a reply from Scott Stallard with the message: Thanks --- I'll look into it. Reply came in < 1 hour. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: <4429f27f-e125-43a3-977a-fd7f29608b01@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 1, 3:30 pm, DaveG wrote: > On May 1, 3:24 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > > Rich Jordan wrote: > > > I think the website treatment was worthy of post and comment, but the > > > speculation that instantly resulted is hardly useful. > > > If HP didn't want speculation about the future of VMS, there wouldn't > > be any speculation about the future of VMS. HP is a marketing company > > and it knows very well what to do to give any one product market > > confidence. It has chosen to not do this for VMS. > > > Moving VMS over to the "graveyard" section of the web site is a VERY > > overt move in my opinion. > > > The above were based on the original poster's description of VMS's new > > location. > > > I never navigate the HP web site, I always usewww.hp.com/go/vms > > > So, I enabled javascript and decided to navigate it to see for myself. > > >www.hp.com-> mouse over and click "large enterprise business" > > > In the "large enterprise business" pop-up frame, click on "software" > > > this gets me to:http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software.html > > > Top right, there are Tru64 Unix downloads. (but no VMS) > > Fruther down, there is mention of OpenVMS for resources for partners and > > developpers. > > > HP-UX, Linux and Microsoft Windows are mentioned in operating systems. > > > You do have to clock on the "see more operating systems". > > > this brings me to:http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/prodserv/software_os.html > > > This lists: > > > HP-UX Linux > > Microsoft Windows OpenVMS > > NonStop Other (MPE, Novell, SCO) > > Tru64 > > > There is even a little picture of "Hp enhances key attributes of OpenVMS > > with version 8.3" on the bottom left. > > > The conclusion: > > > It is clear that VMS and NonStop are not part of the mainstream > > products. HP-UX, Windows and Linux are the ones listed as operating > > systems on the software.html page. > > > However, the software_os.html page is by no means a software graveyard > > since it include HP UX, windows and linux as well as the others. > > > > areas). Finally, on the 'other' page you see a link for OpenVMS. At > > > the same level as the dead Tru-64 OS and links for MPE. > > > The original text really provided an image of VMS being on a "software > > graveyard" page. I reacted to that. BUT the software_os.html page is > > NOT a graveyard. It does have an "other software" section that contains > > MPE, Novell and SCO, but VMS is not in that section. > > > What surprises me is that Tru64 is still featured fairly prominently. > > "Tru64 UNIX is HP's enterprise operating system for AlphaServer > > systems." You'd think it would have been lumped along withthe "other > > software". > > > However, it is true that VMS and nonstop should have been listed in the > > software.html page below hp-ux, windows and linux. It wouldn't have been > > diffultly to fit it in since it is at the bottom of the page anyways. > > Quick update. Just got a reply from Scott Stallard with the message: > > Thanks --- I'll look into it. > > Reply came in < 1 hour. Pretty nice. I have never received a response (other than the automated confirmation of receipt) from any note sent to an HP executive personage. Feedback folks are pretty good, especially for website errors (I do consider VMS' position on the page to be an error but I don't suppose the feedback folks would be able to fix it ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:03:37 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: ES45 says power supply failed Message-ID: <481a5a5a$1@flight> David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Maybe you have a bad memory carrier > There were issues with ES40 and ES45 way back when they had rev issues with > the carriers and had to replace them. > I tried swapping (identically configured) carriers between MMB slots and the problem stayed with the slots, so I assumed it was a problem on the motherboard. I'm also suspicious since it calls out both MMB slots and reports all DIMMS on each carrier as defective. > What DIMMS are they? > They're 1GB DataRam DIMMS (I don't have the exact part number handy). > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: YB33 Subject: Maxtor NAS share problem Message-ID: <505f44e1-5949-4516-8a98-cbd9b8b2b5c5@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com> ACLS and PALS Online Recertification Save time by recertifying from the comfort of your own home or office. Click here to register and obtain pricing information for our online Acls and Pals recertification exams. http://www.health3.com.cn/health/Acls.htm ACLS Re-Certification Online The only online ACLS course fully accredited by the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP). Save time and money. Get started now. http://www.health3.com.cn/health/Acls.htm ACLS Simulator Cardiac Arrest. Live-action video sharpens Acls skills in an exciting computer simulator. 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A guy at HP (Stan Williams) has invented something that had been predicted back in 1971 - a "memristor", Very, very seriously cool. http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=1BAWQSG2DC1TEQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=207403521 Or for something a little 'different' (on the same subject): http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/hp-discovers-potential-god-particle-electronics ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: OT Something pretty cool. Message-ID: <5da0b3eb-4e45-4d0c-8a7f-6482418bd518@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On May 1, 2:28=A0pm, "FredK" wrote: > I don't usually post off-topic stuff, but this is pretty cool. > > A guy at HP (Stan Williams) has invented something that had been predicted= > back in 1971 - a "memristor", =A0Very, very seriously cool. > > http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=3D1BAWQ...= > > Or for something a little 'different' (on the same subject): > > http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/hp-discovers-potential-... The forth passive element ---- very cool indeed. Here's hoping they'll name the fifth element, when discovered: LEELOO. Thanks for the links Fred. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 16:49:00 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT Something pretty cool. Message-ID: <481a2d56$0$31225$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> DaveG wrote: > The forth passive element ---- very cool indeed. > > Here's hoping they'll name the fifth element, when discovered: LEELOO. Leeloo's full name is/will be: "Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:36:26 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <481A7E2A.39FA89E1@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > Hhmmm... interesting ... however, "Tidy" makes some brash and not > > necessarily valid assumptions. For all of the complaints from Validator, > > I'd have to go back and clean up Tidy's "mess". > > Would you put into production for mission critical code that doesn't > compile cleanly ? Not the same. If it doesn't "compile", you either won't get a binary or it won't be usable. The code I have up is entirely compliant with the older standard. Much of it was cut-and-paste-and-edit from Adobe PageMaker output, and some other was from Netscape Composer, in fact. After Jeff clued me in, I used the GUI code generators to show me the rest of the "tricks". > If your HTML doesn't pass through the validator, it shouldn't be put > into production. I can't take something as gospel if it flags perfectly valid code as non-compliant. If I get the result I want/expect in both current and older browsers, my confidence level is high. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:14:51 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Message-ID: <481a0949$0$20608$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Sue wrote: > 2008 HP Worldwide User Advocacy Survey at http://www.hpadvocacysurvey.org Don't bother with the survey if your use of HP products is for home purposes. It ends abruptly, just as in previous years. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Message-ID: On May 1, 1:14=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Sue wrote: > > 2008 HP Worldwide User Advocacy Survey =A0athttp://www.hpadvocacysurvey.= org > > Don't bother with the survey if your use of HP products is for home > purposes. It ends abruptly, just as in previous years. One the intro page of the survey are the following words: "business use of HP equipment and services" I take that to mean NOT (generally) home use, unless of course you use said equipment and services at home to run some sort of business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: Personal Favor - HP WORLD WIDE USER ADVOCACY SURVEY Message-ID: On May 1, 3:05=A0pm, DaveG wrote: > On May 1, 1:14=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > Sue wrote: > > > 2008 HP Worldwide User Advocacy Survey =A0athttp://www.hpadvocacysurve= y.org > > > Don't bother with the survey if your use of HP products is for home > > purposes. It ends abruptly, just as in previous years. > > One the intro page of the survey are the following words: > > "business use of HP equipment and services" > > I take that to mean NOT (generally) home use, unless of course you use > said equipment and services at home to run some sort of business. This year I was invited to join one of the feedback sessions that Encompass gave to HP. I am not sure what I was expecting, if I am honest I think I was expecting a lot of =93Thank you for your feedback=94, =93see you later=94, type of comments. However I was surprised and happy, I was happy about several things, probably the biggest surprise was the directness that Encompass represenative spoke to HP about the issues raised by the customers. The second was how serious HP took the feedback, they asked questions, asked the affected groups how they were responding. All in all very interesting meeting. =46rom a VMS perspective, the results are always discussed at staff and any issues that are raised are assigned teams to be resolved. The feedback is always reviewed. Personally, it matters to me that folks take the time to put in writing both the good and the bad. Your voice is important. Thank you as always. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: yfeefy@gmail.com Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <57e2984e-a3a2-441b-be5e-55cedfed58e0@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Apr 7, 3:02 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <7dd80f60804071310q46eb50edn7f9547a235bfb...@mail.gmail.com>, > "Ken Robinson" writes: > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Didier_Toulouse > > wrote: > >> Hello Pals, > > >> Long time no noise :-) > > >> I'm learning Php, and I find a lot of similarities (is that a genuine > >> English word ???) with DCL. > > > PHP is more like C than DCL > > PHP is more like a steaming, stinking pile of dung than any usable > computer programming language. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include but billy gates product is great, and secure, and... special. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:30:28 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Message-ID: <481A7CC4.9D8AC989@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > [snip] > I have NEVER gone back to McDonalds since. It turns out that this was > corporate policy to not serve cyclists at the drive through. Where do other fast-food chains stand on that question? If McD's is the only one discriminating, then you have a valid point. If their policy is the accepted industry practice, it's rather a different argument. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 04:06:55 GMT From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Message-ID: kiwi wrote: > San Jose. Pick it up and its yours. VMS 5.5-2. Working order. > Boy, talking about a heater... and just try and move it into your basement... :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:16:06 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Message-ID: <481a0994$0$20608$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Sue wrote: > There was an officially sponsered 30th Anniversary Contest done by HP > North America, As I recall, it was HP USA. I recall being told that it was a USA specific contest and that each country would be responsible for VMS 30th anniversary celebrations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 18:31:16 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Message-ID: Malcolm Dunnett wrote in news:4818ce3d$1@flight: > Rich Jordan wrote: >> On April 22nd, HP supposedly selected the winner of an Itanium server >> based on the age of the oldest running system registered with them. > > I thought the whole idea of celebrating the oldest hunk of VMS > hardware still running was a bit silly anyway. They'd be better off > looking for the oldest VMS sites - ie people who have been using VMS > for a long time but have continued to upgrade to newer hardware. The > oldest system running is likely to end up being either someone's > castoff that is now being used by a hobbyist, or some site that has an > old VMS box in the corner which isn't really important anymore but > nobody's gotten around to turning it off. If VMS was actually > important to your operation chances are you're not still running an > 11/780. > > I may have had a shot at being the longest running VMS site in > Canada > (since Feb 1980) but we certainly scrapped that 11/780 (indeed all the > VAXen) quite a few years ago. It's now a mixture of Alphas and > Itaniums - the oldest box I'm still using is a DS10. We've been running VMS since late 1980 or early 1981. My informant thinks we were 3rd in Canada and likely 1st in the west. Our last 11/780 went out in 1992, but we still run a VAX 4000/106A in addition to a DS20 and a DS10. I also run a microVAX 3100/10 as a remote-accessible console concentrator for serial consoles. Alas, I expect they'll all be gone this time next near. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- A L B E R T A Alfred Falk falk@arc.ab.ca R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4 http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: VMS 30th anniversary 'Oldest VMS system' contest Message-ID: <1b256126-70ce-4f5d-b04d-076108277b87@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 1, 12:47 pm, Sue wrote: > On Apr 30, 5:28 pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > > > > > On Apr 30, 4:11 pm, Sue wrote: > > > > On Apr 30, 1:39 pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > > > > > On April 22nd, HP supposedly selected the winner of an Itanium server > > > > based on the age of the oldest running system registered with them. I > > > > didn't expect to win with my VS3100-30 but I did get nudged early in > > > > April to validate the entry, which I did, so I know things were moving > > > > at the time. > > > > > I haven't seen any announcement, and the 30th anniversary website > > > > doesn't look to have been updated. The contest validation page still > > > > tries to tell me I can validate my system as long as I do it before > > > > April 8th but doesn't have anything new either. > > > > > Has there been an announcement? Did the selection take place? Who > > > > won, and what was the oldest system that registered? > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Rich > > > > Just so folks in the newsgroup know, this was not the same as the > > > request that I sent out to my email distribution lists for system up > > > time. My person had system uptime of 21 years will be at the boot > > > camp and will be recognized at that time. > > > > Sue > > > Thanks Sue. Yes, this contest was not about uptime, it was about > > oldest still running system. Is there any chance you can find out > > about the 30th anniversary contest results? Or are they being > > reserved for announcement at one of the functions? > > > 21 year system uptime????? Heh! Thats VMS for you. > > > Dang!- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > There was an officially sponsered 30th Anniversary Contest done by HP > North America, I really do not know what the plans are. To > communicate. Unless the winner gives the ok, HP really can not say > anything. If the person at the boot camp that won with the 21 years > of uptime is ok with it as Ian says you will hear about it. (My guess > is that you will hear that day). > > Sue Sue, thanks for responding. I'd be delighted just to know what _kind_ of system won (system type and age), which I hope HP would not be averse to releasing even if its after the Boot Camp. Its just that the contest was to end with a winner selected on April 22 according to the email I received in March, and there is no information about it, no followup emails, no 'sorry, but we found one system that makes your look like a toddler!', nothing even on the 30th anniversary pages. I would hope for a new page saying something like: "The winner has been selected; the oldest running VMS system that participated in this contest is a VAX 11/780 built in 1980! Further information will be made available at the OpenVMS Boot Camp" 21 year uptime certainly means a system older than my 19-ish year old workstation. Current uptime 5 hours after a nasty power hit this morning... but she booted right up, as expected! I'll wait till the Boot Camp and keep an eye on the news. Hopefully we'll be allowed to know the results. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 21:38:12 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Watching P2 memory usage on an Alpha Message-ID: <481A7E94.DCF74941@spam.comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > Rob Brooks wrote: > > VMS is Virus Free writes: > >> $ write sys$output f$getjpi(the_programs_pid,"p2_first_free_va_64") > >> > >> This works fine until it gets to FFFFFFFF then it rolls over to > >> 00000000. I know the program that it's monitoring is working because > >> its page file quota continues to slowly decrement even after this > >> overflow. > >> > >> Any thoughts or ideas? > > > > The problem is that DCL does not do 64-bit math, and that value is being > > returned as an integer. > > > > I would not expect to see DCL enhanced to support 64-bit integers. > > I would call the example above a bug. > > Silently truncating 64 bit values to 32 bit is not good. Agreed. The entire 64-bit value should be returned in a string suitable for use with F$CVUI(). 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