INFO-VAX Sun, 03 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 421 Contents: Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Re: (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS I need help Re: I need help Re: I need help Re: I need help Re: I need help Re: Newbquest: pipe() and vfork/creprc/spawn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:43:39 +0000 From: ChrisQ Subject: Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply Message-ID: <7Sglk.11604$8w4.9137@newsfe30.ams2> Tom Linden wrote: > Was not implying they weren't good quality, terminal servers are just > a much better solution, not as much clutter. > Not if you need to access the console on a regular basis and don't have the usual lom or serial port access. Agreed, the cables are a lot of clutter, but kb/m/video cables are usually combined into one now and can be tiewrapped along the back of the rack for neatness... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:59:49 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:41:54 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert > wrote: > >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:24:25 -0700, >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We have 5 of the HP KVM units referenced in the original post and 4 of >>>> them have had the same power supply issues in the last few months. >>>> I've just contacted the power supply manufacturer, DVE, and the lady >>>> in their US office in Fremont, CA is going to find out if they can >>>> supply me with replacement units. We'll see... >>> Throw em in the garbage and get a terminal server. >>> >> >> Raritan is the name of THE KVM company. Good stuff and they support it. > > Was not implying they weren't good quality, terminal servers are just a > much > better solution, not as much clutter. > A lot depends on what you need. If you need a mouse, terminal servers don't seem to come with mouse support. For a dumb terminal (serial interface) a terminal server would seem to be a very good solution. Alpha ES40s, as I recall, have a graphics console as well as a serial port console. The "click and drool" interface does have some advantages! YMMV! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:53:10 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: (kinda) HP, parts ain't parts; KVM internal power supply Message-ID: On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:59:49 -0700, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > A lot depends on what you need. If you need a mouse, terminal servers > don't seem to come with mouse support. For a dumb terminal (serial > interface) a terminal server would seem to be a very good solution. > Alpha ES40s, as I recall, have a graphics console as well as a serial > port console. The "click and drool" interface does have some > advantages! YMMV! I have not had the need to use a graphics console. Here is an example, I am sitting at home on my XP laptop use PuTTY to login in to a cluster member and attached to the console port of another node using a Xyplex, now I can reset the AUTO_ACTION to halt, e.g., and reboot and then have full access to all console variables. With a KVM, I would have to get in my car ... FREJA> type disk$common:[sysexe]console.dat SWITCH2 xyplex 2100 GUNN xyplex 2200 SWITCH1 xyplex 2300 CISCO xyplex 2400 SWITCH3 xyplex 2500 HERMES xyplex 2600 HAFNER xyplex 2700 ODIN xyplex 2800 NORNS xyplex 2900 REX xyplex 3000 HSGTOP xyplex 3200 HSGBOT xyplex 3300 BELENOS xyplex 3500 ZEUS xyplex 3600 CISCO2 xyplex 3700 FREJA xyplex 4000 ITANIC 10.0.0.201 23 SANTOP 10.0.0.5 23 SANBOT 10.0.0.6 23 This allows me to log in to the console of SANs, switches, routers and VMS and Tru64 nodes. GUNN> console freja Connecting to FREJA LOGOUT from VMS, then CTRL-], and CTRL-Z to exit %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process >FREJA OPA0 spawned %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process >FREJA OPA0 %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.0.0.160 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host xyplex, port 4000 \TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^] Username: tom Password: Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V8.2 on node FREJA Last interactive login on Sunday, 3-AUG-2008 06:23:51.81 Last non-interactive login on Saturday, 2-AUG-2008 04:58:52.56 Initializing AXP System environment %GNU_STARTUP-I-SETTING_UP, setting up Emacs version 19.22 Kednos_Setup.com executing for Alpha FREJA> consvar show ubs NVRAM_AXP V1.2 ©ASo06 ============== Processor: 128 | HW Type: 1821 | HW Name: COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP10 00 * Command: NVRAM SHOW UBS AUTO_ACTION = RESTART BOOT_FILE = BOOT_OSFLAGS = 0 BOOT_RESET = OFF BOOTDEF_DEV = dka100.1.0.6.1 CONSOLE = serial CONTROLP = ON DUMP_DEV = EWA0_MODE = FastFD (Full Duplex) EWA0_PROTOCOLS = BOOTP LANGUAGE = 36 OS_TYPE = OpenVMS -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:52:41 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Message-ID: Is anyone using a relatively new version of LaTeX on VMS? If so, please let me know. Email correspondence might be better, since I doubt the majority of readers are interested in this topic. I can post a summary if someone asks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:01:12 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Message-ID: <20080803140111.GA32244@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> On Sun, Aug 03, 2008 at 01:52:41PM +0000, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Is anyone using a relatively new version of LaTeX on VMS? If so, please > let me know. > > Email correspondence might be better, since I doubt the majority of > readers are interested in this topic. I can post a summary if someone > asks. I'm very interested. I use latex daily, but not yet on VMS. I'm keen to run it on VMS as well. -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:49:37 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: In article <6fkfs7Fc2ppsU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by > HP will bode well for VMS? EDS may actually be a large scale VMS > user and may have a vested interest in seeing it survive. They > are, at least, a company that understands software and marketing. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you sure? "EDSą troubled legacy of failed IT projects" http://blogs.zdnet.com/projectfailures/?p=761 -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:49:59 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <4895d3a6$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by > HP will bode well for VMS? EDS may actually be a large scale VMS > user I thought EDS was developing and running customers systems. > and may have a vested interest in seeing it survive. My guess would be that that do not care about platforms as long as the customers pay them to work on them. > They > are, at least, a company that understands software and marketing. They must know something since they have become as big as they are. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 2008 16:29:41 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <6fm4nlFc7kijU1@mid.individual.net> In article <48951F31.33C8F1BB@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >> Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by >> HP will bode well for VMS? EDS may actually be a large scale VMS >> user and may have a vested interest in seeing it survive. They >> are, at least, a company that understands software and marketing. > > In order for that to have meaning, the headline have to have read "EDS > Buys HP Legacy OS", sub-head line: "OpenVMS to see resurgence in > marketplace". > > We've seen what HPers do with stuff they know little about or understand > little if at all. Perhaps VMS's fate awaits EDS (to die in ignominity > and obscurity). > > ...unless EDS sells a spitload of printers. Then, all they did was > purchase a new marketing arm for their imaging division. > > (HP folks other than usual c.o.v. denizens: if you think I'm being too > harsh with you, prove me wrong! ...but don't just parrot the sunshine > your bosses keep blowing up your skirt, cite cold, hard -VERIFIABLE- > numbers!) Well, the reason I asked is that one of my peers here at Ft. Gordon works for EDS in his day job and while he had never heard of VMS he was adamant that HP was a hardware company that knew nothing about software and the reason for the EDS purchase was to bring in a major player who specialized oin software. I guess what we need to learn (and maybe some of the former DEC HPer's that are still hanging out here know someone they could ask) is if there is a chance that VMS might be turned over to EDS to maintain and, yes, maybe even market!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 2008 16:32:40 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <6fm4t8Fc7kijU2@mid.individual.net> In article <489526d0$0$18579$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by >> HP will bode well for VMS? > > HP mentality will flow to EDS, not the other way around. > As I said in my recent reply to David, EDS employees don't see it this way. And, apparently neither did the BOD of EDS who approved the merger. > HP buying EDS is like a cat raising its hair: to appear bigger than it > really is. Actually, the people at EDS seem to see this as a hardware company finally admiting that they don't know how to do the software thing and bringin in someone who does. > > If EDS will report to Livermore or Stallard, then it will put VMS > further behind. Further behind in how important its profits are to HP > and how important VMS is to upper management. > > The smaller VMS is compared to the rest of HP, (especially in terms of > profits), the easier it will be for HP to decide VMS is not "core > business" and just end this distraction. > > The purchase of EDS just means that when this happens, EDS employees > will receive guindance from HP HQ on how to handle remaining VMS > customers they have. Some of us are hoping you are wrong. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 07:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org Subject: I need help Message-ID: Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, also how do I get some compilers on my system? --Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 10:55:17 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org wrote: > Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, > also how do I get some compilers on my system? > > --Thanks Can you tell us the EXACT command you used and the EXACT text of the error message(s) that you received? ------------------------------ Date: 03 Aug 2008 15:02:57 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: <4895c8a1$0$7361$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , hamilton_n@encompasserve.org writes: >Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, >also how do I get some compilers on my system? What edit program and how are you accessing the system? Try: $ SET TERMINAL/VT100 for starters. Then try your editor. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:13:28 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: <7dd80f60808030813m995d3e1xc6086a6079125703@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:43 AM, wrote: > Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, > also how do I get some compilers on my system? The default editor on VMS expects the terminal to be able to emulate a VT100 (or it's succesors). If you are using something that has a vt100 mode, do a $ set ter/inq after you login to tell the system. To get software for your system, you really should see the VMS Hobbyist Program Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 09:22:01 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:43:59 -0700, wrote: > also how do I get some compilers on my system? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:30:35 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Newbquest: pipe() and vfork/creprc/spawn Message-ID: Hi, > The box (Alpha 600-au) reboots as soon as the creprc() call is hit. > BSOD. I have no idea why. This simply should not happen! (Unless you're in kernel mode when you call $creprc or you have that silly sysgen parameter set that says exec mode exceptions should also crash the box) Getting back to your original requirement (and please don't say Unix is that much easier as I'm sitting next to a guy you is manually coding the shutdown of stdin/out on his daemon so that when the creator logs off it doesn't trigger an exception and die) does INETd not satisfy your requirements? Also called the "Auxillary server" (on VMS at least): - $ dir ucx$examples:*aux* Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP] TCPIP$TCP_SERVER_QIO_AUXS.C;1 TCPIP$TCP_SERVER_SOCK_AUXS.C;1 Total of 2 files. If you're not happy with 1 server process for each user (and let's face it who would be?) then you may wish to consider: - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/Tier3_031.pdf . . .and wonder why it isn't bundled with VMS. For examples please see: - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_flex.html http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_web.html In bothe cases: - Username: TIER3_DEMO Password: QUEUE The *entire* server code can be found at: - http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_uars.cob http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/build_uars.com Good-luck. Cheers Richard Maher wrote in message news:ea3cdbac-8bde-4eb1-a3ac-82477e12bfc0@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > I am a noob to OpenVMS, though not Unix, so be kind! > > The age-old UNIX C code for hooking into a new process (and feeding > it) is the fork/exec mechanism. > > The OpenVMS FAQ raises more questions on this than it can answer, and > that answer is: "You Can't Do That", or at least, not like that. I'm > bald now, but I think I'm close. > > Think in terms of the functional reqs of telnetd or sshd and you'll > understand what the basic desired goal is. A server process running as > SYSTEM, listening for TCP connections, accepts such requests, assumes > the identity of a given user, and mux'es the input and outputs of an > arbitrary OpenVMS command on the single TCP socket. On UNIX or even > Windows, this is reasonably straight-forward and simple, until some > architect with a pointy head says it has to use select() because > select() is cool...but that's getting off-topic. > > I set about creating mailboxes for stdin, stdout, and stderr, set the > privs on those MBXs, assume the persona of my user, and fire off a > loginout.exe process with creprc(). This appears to be the 'Way It Is > Done' and I used a variety of examples in creating the spaghetti code > I now use. In fact, it's very similar to some of the code used in > http.c > > The box (Alpha 600-au) reboots as soon as the creprc() call is hit. > BSOD. I have no idea why. > > Whiskey tango foxtrot. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.421 ************************