INFO-VAX Fri, 29 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 472 Contents: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Re: Dat Files Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS NFS setup with TCPIP services, what causes share to not mount? Re: NFS setup with TCPIP services, what causes share to not mount? Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Re: Putting my Vax in the network Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Why is EDT? Re: Why is EDT? Re: Why is EDT? Re: Why is EDT? Re: Why is EDT? Re: Why is EDT? Re: [VMS V7/8] How to avoid filling sec audit with entries of BACKUP user? user? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:53:02 -0700 (PDT) From: tadamsmar Subject: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Message-ID: <5bd7d4a4-6846-4b35-9765-8948b9db7d3d@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com> Can you record DVDs or CDs using 7.2.1? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:58 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Message-ID: <08082814005860_20202925@antinode.info> From: tadamsmar > Can you record DVDs or CDs using 7.2.1? Perhaps, but that may depend on what "7.2.1" is, and/or what it runs on, and/or what's connected to it how. Perhaps you could ask again, and include enough information for a non-psychic to provide a useful and reliable answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:20:43 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Message-ID: <00A7ECAA.1A43CFDF@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <5bd7d4a4-6846-4b35-9765-8948b9db7d3d@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: >Can you record DVDs or CDs using 7.2.1? Yes. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:40:46 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Message-ID: <1I-dnULpcbPfYivVnZ2dnUVZ_v_inZ2d@comcast.com> tadamsmar wrote: > Can you record DVDs or CDs using 7.2.1? See: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:50:28 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Can you record DVDs on 7.2.1? Message-ID: <48B763F4.F394C87F@spam.comcast.net> tadamsmar wrote: > > Can you record DVDs or CDs using 7.2.1? If you mean OpenVMS V7.2-1, then yes, I believe there is a version of cdrecord somewhere that will run on that version with some CD-R recorders. V7.2-1 pre-dates data DVDs a bit, I think. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:47:58 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Dat Files Message-ID: <48B7635E.9D8C714B@spam.comcast.net> Chico Che wrote: > > I have an OpenVMS Alpah System that has RMS data files. I have a .dat file > that if edited you can see clearly fixed length fields in there. The > question I have where would I find the files that would tell me what field > is what and the length of that field. So I can know the data structure of > the dat file. As others have pointed out, the actual data format in the files will be defined by the programs which use them. So, you will likely need to examine some source code. That said, if a product called Datatrieve is installed, there may already by definitions for those files in the Datatrieve dictionary. See if you have a "DATA[TRIEVE]" verb (can be shortened to DATA, obviously), or look at DIR SYS$SYSTEM:DTR* and see if anything gets listed. That will tell you if Datatrieve is there. If it is, try to RUN it. The program development environment, if any, on the machine may include the old CDD product (Common Data Dictionary) which provides a common data format repository for programming language compilers as well as for Datatrieve. I believe the program to seek is DMU ( DIR SYS$SYSTEM:DMU*), but that may be wrong. It's been a while since I dealt with that one. If you find it, poke around in its on-line HELP and see if you can figure out how it works. Hope this helps... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <73013e92-a6ec-4838-aeb3-df3f0c109521@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 9:04 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED5E7F...@gvw1158exb.americas.hpqcorp.net>, > "Main, Kerry" writes: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:billg...@cs.uofs.edu] > >> Sent: August 27, 2008 8:09 AM > >> To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > >> Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS > > >> In article >> f5f688b73...@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > >> Neil Rieck writes: > >> > On Aug 26, 6:44 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >> > ...snip... . . . [...BLAH BLAH BLAH...] . . . [...] > > > Rather than be seen as hostile or have some OS religion against the existin= > > g > > environment, you simply be polite and label the existing system as "legacy" > > which is a polite way of saying you do not like the existing system because > > you have other preferences. > > > Sales people love the term "legacy" as it is a means to leverage new sales. > > Just one tool for salesdroids. HP's lack of marketing of VMS does much > more to help salesdroids eliminate it than anything else. > > And for those who might still think there is so much hidden VMS use in the > government, In connection with my association with DISA I brought up the > question about wether or not there was a need/desire to test or update the > OpenVMS Security Readiness Review Evaluation Script as the current one on > the webpage is dated Jan 28, 2005. I was informed that there was no need > to as the intent was to remove mention of it from the DISA Webpage. Interpret > that however you wish. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include \ To all participants in this thread: I saw this movie! Though I *am* preparing my "Advantages of the EDT editor" spiel. But it will be a while. And I have a partly new movie in the works. BTW, what is the origin of the name EDT? Is it a super-secret acronym, or just an abbreviation of EDIT? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:49:43 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <48b755cf$0$9627$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> re: legacy The real definition is that of an operating system whose portfolio of applications is old and/or lagging behind. But there would be gray areas in there. Look at Tandem for instance. By many metrics, it would be considered a legacy platform. Old style transaction apps. No GUI, and probably not used much as a web server etc. But its bank card apps are definitely still being developped and as up-to-date as is possible. VMS had a GUI, but the owners decided to drop it and it has definitely become legacy because it is a very old version of X and Motif, and the core applicatiosn are no longer being developped, and it lacks modern versions of GTK, Firefox, Tunderbird etc. VMS does have some modern apps. There are utilities such as curl that are up-to-date on VMS. But others aren't because the new version require middleware that is no longer being updated on VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: NFS setup with TCPIP services, what causes share to not mount? Message-ID: Seems like every time I have to play with NFS server on TCPIP services we run into inane problems. We're setting up a new system, replacing one that had been running TCPware (which worked perfectly but was badly out of date); this one has TCPIP services, VMS V8.3, TCPIP V5.6, all current ECOs because thats what came with the new system... The client is XP running the current Hummingbird client though we never get to the point of actually trying to use it. We're following the cookbook on setting up NFS shares that we used before: TCPIP> SHOW MAP (yes these are also in the permanent config) /ds1 DSA1: /ds3 DSA3: TCPIP> SHOW EXPORT File system Host Name /ds1/user/dave * /ds3/files/ups * TCPIP> SHOW PROXY VMS Username Type User_ID Group_ID Host_name MAINT OND 121 120 * The MAINT account UIC is [120,121] and is the owner of the actual files and directories being shared. Only the 'ups' share is being produced and showing up on the client. On NFS startup we get the following error (via OPCOM, excess verbiage clipped); I do not know if the NFS memory message is problematic or not so included it: Message from user TCPIP$NFS on NODE NFS memory (000B4000) at system virtual FFFFFFFF67456000, user virtual 00000000003EE000 ... %TCPIP-E-NFS_BFSCAL, operation MOUNT_POINT failed on file /ds1/user/ dave ... %TCPIP-E-MAPNOSYS, file system is not mapped The log file TCPIP$MOUNTD_node.LOG shows the following error: 28-Aug-2008 17:47:52 ERROR: stat: no such file or directory, Cannot stat /DS1/USER/DAVE The case of the export in this logfile matches the case of our map and export names, however they were set in testing. DSA1 and DSA3 are shadow disks mounted clusterwide on a 2 node cluster. They are identical in all aspects except that DSA1 is ODS5 and DSA3 is still ODS2. Drive names and the paths to the exports have been verified ad nauseum. The directory DSA1:[USER.DAVE] exists, as does DSA3:[OE3.FILES.UPS] There are no logicals of the same name or form as 'ds1' and 'ds3' map names. The directory path on the ODS5 disk is all upper case. We tried setting the export path to upper case, and also with the / opt=case_sensitive, both with a lowercase '/ds1' and uppercase '/DS1', and any other variant we could think of. We also set protections on that directory to W:RWE temporarily just in case. We've cleaned the config and rebuilt from scratch twice. Other than having two exports instead of one this is identical to a location where we currently have TCPIP Services V5.4 on an older VMS version running, with Hummingbird client, with no problem for years. Any thoughts? We just gave up getting Samba to work on these systems; the customer's third party programs (no source) were unable to properly handle files shared via Samba (but had worked with the older TCPware NFS shares for years). Thanks Rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:06:40 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: NFS setup with TCPIP services, what causes share to not mount? Message-ID: <48b759d3$0$12406$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rich Jordan wrote: > /ds1/user/dave * > /ds3/files/ups * > Any thoughts? Start by enabling read-write for world on ds1:[000000]000000.dir as well as ds1:[000000]user.dir See if it makes a difference. (then set it back to what it was before). Also, make sure that the protection of the mount point file on the client system is setup properly. If I remember correctly, the NFS server on VMS doesn't honour ACLs. Not 100% sure of it though. I was told that file protections are often the cause of NFS headaches, and it was by fixing them that I got my setup between a mac and VMS working. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:24:53 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Message-ID: <48B75DF4.BF508E56@spam.comcast.net> "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > > From: David J Dachtera > > > Is anyone aware of a SYSMAN-like utility for AIX? I need to be able to > > execute the same command on multiple LPARs, HACMP not withstanding. > > Don't know aboit the multiple hosts part, but SMIT was the handy tool > for system management when I was young. (Sure miss the SMIT dude > falling on his face when a command failed.) Well, SMIT(TY) is whole different critter from SYSMAN. SMIT(TY) is a screen-oriented interface to various system management task, but AFAIK does not provide for operations within a group of nodes or a cluster. SMITTY is the character-cell version. SMIT is the X version, but defaults to SMITTY if X is not setup in the process environment or otherwise not available. > There is an AIX forum somewhere at ibm.com. Search the ITRC HP-UX > forum for AIX. There's comp.unix.aix, also. Fairly active, low S/N ratio. > > Any ideas anyone has would be useful. > > Optimistic or just confused? Desperate is more like it... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:28:54 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Putting my Vax in the network Message-ID: <48B75EE6.42E7C335@spam.comcast.net> apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi: > Can you tell me how put my Vax 4100 in my network? > I made a reboot in this system but I´m getting this message: > > vax01> set host vax02 > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable O.k. - dumb question time: Did you add the startup of the network to the machine's startup procedure? It's not there by default in most VMS versions prior to V7.3 or possibly even before V8.2. Dunno - I'm losing touch with some of the finer points as I'm being sucked deeper into the UN*X world (which REALLY sucks!). D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:12:30 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: David wrote: > What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get another > one? Sure, why not. At that price you could buy several spare boxes for the price of a system with a warranty. :-). Or one could put them on maintenance with HP if that is a concern. As I said, caveat emptor, but I suspect these boxes would be solid systems that would provide years of reliable service (that's been my experience so far with the rx2600/zx6000s I've bought on eBay). > > I am thinking about buying a few racks of these then offering them with > disks and graphics etc. > Maybe even preinstall VMS on them too. > But we would have to charge considerably more to include a 12 mth warranty > etc. There may be a market for systems with a longer warranty and of course one would expect to pay for that guarantee. > And... the most important question.. how many people out there want an > Itanium? > Don't know - let's see how many people buy one of these. Personally I don't know why one wouldn't want an Itanium. The ones I have work just great - the rx2600s typically outperforms my ES40s and use a lot less rack space and power. I have a box similar to these ones that makes a pretty sweet Oracle server. I haven't done a lot of porting of my apps yet, but with the testing I've done so far it's been pretty painless. If you have some critical version dependent code or an app without sources that the vendor won't support on Itanium or need for VAX Floating Point or specialized hardware I can see sticking with VAX or Alpha - but if you have your own code or you're a hobbyist I'd go for an Itanium (especially if you compare the specs on one of these systems to what a DS10 or DS20 is going for). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: On Aug 28, 1:40=A0pm, "David" wrote: > What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get anoth= er > one? I understand you're in the business of selling systems, so bad- mouthing any other source is part of the job description. However, I've had really good experience with buying systems and/or components from eBay. Yes, I had a power supply on a DS10L go but it happened shortly after a power failure and I don't think it was plugged in to the battery at the time. And yes, I have spare DS10Ls (two of them) that I bought at under $150 each on eBay so "chuck it away and get another" is an option. Looking at the bidding history two of these rx2600s had no bidders at all. So, presumably, you could have bought one at $199.95 + shipping. I paid over $600 for one of them (compared to the $1800+ it would have cost me through HP/DSPP, it was a bargain), so yeah I would have bought two at the $199.95 if I had known there were 50 more coming up for sale. > And... the most important question.. how many people out there want an > Itanium? Obviously I did. The guys that found the SMGRTL bug might want one or two if they're cheap enough. In my case it's a business expense since I make a living on OpenVMS. I do have one utility application (a PDF writer) that I want to port. My system will also be a test bed to do a "proof of concept" to convince a client to move their stuff off Alpha. And it looks like at least a half-dozen have sold already. The one I bought drew 6 other bids besides mine (gotta love eSnipe). We'll see from how many of the 50 sell whether there's a lot of demand. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:54:09 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: FrankS wrote: > I do have one utility application (a PDF writer)... Any link to that PDF writer ? > (gotta love eSnipe). I always use www.bidnip.com when "bidding" on non-BuyItNow items on eBay. 125 successfull "snipes" so far. Well, I'd better ask the seller about "overseas" shipping. At $199 I could spend some extra on shipping... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:04:39 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: The actual seller have two different images in his auctions. Has anyone seen any difference in the actual specs of the boxes ? Maybe it's just two different images and nothing else... I have seen that *one* auction is specified as "2GB" instead of "10GB". B.t.w, one sold @ $455 just a few minutes ago. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:18:33 -0700 From: Joe Bloggs Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:49:57 -0700 (PDT), FrankS wrote: >I don't know the vendor either, but I did buy one of these servers >from them (unfortunately for me, I paid more than $500 because they >didn't add on the Buy-It-Now until recently). They do a fantastic job >of packaging and shipping. The server was in a box with that rigid >foam sprayed-in to keep it from shifting, then the box was strapped to >a pallet and shipped by a freight service. is the 10GB cited in the auction accurate? i was expecting a bare-bones box, to have the minimum amount of memory installed. per the quick-specs, max is 24GB. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:19:02 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <00A7ECA9.DD8C0899@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Malcolm Dunnett writes: >David wrote: >> What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get another >> one? > > Sure, why not. At that price you could buy several spare boxes for >the price of a system with a warranty. :-). Or one could put them on >maintenance with HP if that is a concern. Like the one I got via the Intel 3 day porting seminar? It's become a parts carcass for the one that is still lumbering along. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:01:51 -0400 From: "John Reagan" Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <4MqdnfN4JqayjyrVnZ2dnUVZ_qDinZ2d@earthlink.com> "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in message news:Uxotk.11168$Ks1.9793@newsfe02.iad... > If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system go > to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CPUs > 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. The text in the listing says no optical drive, but it looks like there is a CD drive in the unit (I see the cable on the back of it). John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Len Whitwer Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <41985b3a-4ee5-451a-aa4c-85a555672871@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 12:19=A0pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Malcolm Dunnett writes: > >David wrote: > >> What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get an= other > >> one? > > > =A0 Sure, why not. At that price you could buy several spare boxes for > >the price of a system with a warranty. :-). Or one could put them on > >maintenance with HP if that is a concern. > > Like the one I got via the Intel 3 day porting seminar? =A0It's become a > parts carcass for the one that is still lumbering along. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= SIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= ction > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= right > notice, disclaimer and quotations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- rx 2600's for sale!!!!!!! Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc We have just bought 25 of these units and will be offering them to anyone who wants one. We will be testing them as soon as they arrive (About 1 week) and they will be available for sale. We will be putting a one year warranty on them to protect the buyer. Pricing will depend on the final configuration desired. We can pre-load VMS, Linux or HP-UX as per buyers request. Or the machine can be bought with no software. (Contact us on how to get the licenses for free) Please call or e-mail me if you have any questions. Len Whitwer -Len Whitwer Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 Woodinville, WA 98072 e-mail mailto:len@psds.com Internet: http://www.psds.com Toll Free: (866)857-0710 Tel: (425) 488-0710 Fax: (425) 488-6414 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:25:16 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <141e6f1c-9d90-4831-899b-42ecf59bc665@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 5:01=A0pm, "John Reagan" wrote: > The text in the listing says no optical drive, but it looks like there is= a > CD drive in the unit (I see the cable on the back of it). Looks can be deceiving. The unit I received from this eBay seller does not include a DVD drive. The cable is there, and it lays against a filler plate. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: On Aug 28, 3:18=A0pm, Joe Bloggs wrote: > is the 10GB cited in the auction accurate? Yes. The unit I received has four 512mb memory modules, and eight 1gb modules. Total of 10gb. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <37c79328-6cdb-4351-8b77-cc52456ec4f8@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 2:54=A0pm, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Any link to that PDF writer ? Coming soon. I have some cleaning up to do; error trapping and such. The native Alpha version is being used daily at a client site, so it's stable. It is only to convert plain text to PDF. No images or fancy fonts at this time. Maybe some later version, if I can make the time. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:51:12 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: Len Whitwer wrote: > rx 2600's for sale!!!!!!! Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc > > We have just bought 25 of these units and will be offering them to > anyone who wants one. Does "anyone" include someone in Sweden ? > Pricing > will depend on the final configuration desired. Lets say, as in the auction ? Jan-Erik. > > We can pre-load VMS, Linux or HP-UX as per buyers request. Or > the machine can be bought with no software. (Contact us on how > to get the licenses for free) > > Please call or e-mail me if you have any questions. > > Len Whitwer > > -Len Whitwer > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. > 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 > Woodinville, WA 98072 > e-mail mailto:len@psds.com > Internet: http://www.psds.com > Toll Free: (866)857-0710 > Tel: (425) 488-0710 > Fax: (425) 488-6414 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:50:48 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <08082816504800_20202925@antinode.info> From: Len Whitwer > We have just bought 25 of these units and will be offering them to > anyone who wants one. [...] Sounds good. I can go pick one up, avoiding the shipping, if you want to arrange that. > [...] and they will be available for sale. [...] Oh. You want _money_. Never mind. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:09:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Len Whitwer Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <1a20b8e5-c12b-476a-b047-b7b41b58bb03@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 2:51=A0pm, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Len Whitwer wrote: > > rx 2600's for sale!!!!!!! Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc > > > We have just bought 25 of these units and will be offering them to > > anyone who wants one. > > Does "anyone" include someone in Sweden ? > > > Pricing > > will depend on the final configuration desired. > > Lets say, as in the auction ? > > Jan-Erik. > > > > > > > We can pre-load VMS, Linux or HP-UX as per buyers request. Or > > the machine can be bought with no software. (Contact us on how > > to get the licenses for free) > > > Please call or e-mail me if you have any questions. > > > Len Whitwer > > > -Len Whitwer > > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. > > 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 > > Woodinville, WA =A098072 > > e-mail =A0 =A0mailto:l...@psds.com > > Internet:http://www.psds.com > > Toll Free: (866)857-0710 > > Tel: (425) 488-0710 > > Fax: (425) 488-6414- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - YES!!!! We will ship to Sweden!! -Len Whitwer -Len Whitwer Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 Woodinville, WA 98072 e-mail mailto:len@psds.com Internet: http://www.psds.com Toll Free: (866)857-0710 Tel: (425) 488-0710 Fax: (425) 488-6414 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:23:54 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <_zFtk.1890$U5.1214@newsb.telia.net> On Aug 28, 5:01 pm, "John Reagan" wrote: > The text in the listing says no optical drive, but it looks like there is a > CD drive in the unit (I see the cable on the back of it). The actual description in the auctions says "Optical Drive(s) : No" for some auctions and "Optical Drive(s) : DVD-ROM" for others. I guess it's up to the bidder to decide which one to bid on... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:26:30 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: FrankS wrote: > On Aug 28, 2:54 pm, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: >> Any link to that PDF writer ? > > Coming soon. I have some cleaning up to do; error trapping and such. > The native Alpha version is being used daily at a client site, so it's > stable. > > It is only to convert plain text to PDF. No images or fancy fonts at > this time. Maybe some later version, if I can make the time. > > Oh, sorry. I ment the Alpha version... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:59:44 -0400 From: "David Turner" Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: Hang on a second... I am not bad mouthing them. I talked to them this morning because I am interested myself. I was just curious of the mentality of people that buy things like this on Ebay. Some companies allow their IT people to buy on Ebay and many don't. Many IT pros have to justify their purchases. If anything we lose business when asked if a competitor is OK. Most of the people we deal with and compete with ARE reputable and I would NEVER EVER EVER say otherwise. I do not appreciate the insinuation that we have ever bad mouthed ANYONE!!! David "FrankS" wrote in message news:ff400ea4-f7d7-4bf5-9613-cb4985bb8558@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... On Aug 28, 1:40 pm, "David" wrote: > What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get > another > one? I understand you're in the business of selling systems, so bad- mouthing any other source is part of the job description. However, I've had really good experience with buying systems and/or components from eBay. Yes, I had a power supply on a DS10L go but it happened shortly after a power failure and I don't think it was plugged in to the battery at the time. And yes, I have spare DS10Ls (two of them) that I bought at under $150 each on eBay so "chuck it away and get another" is an option. Looking at the bidding history two of these rx2600s had no bidders at all. So, presumably, you could have bought one at $199.95 + shipping. I paid over $600 for one of them (compared to the $1800+ it would have cost me through HP/DSPP, it was a bargain), so yeah I would have bought two at the $199.95 if I had known there were 50 more coming up for sale. > And... the most important question.. how many people out there want an > Itanium? Obviously I did. The guys that found the SMGRTL bug might want one or two if they're cheap enough. In my case it's a business expense since I make a living on OpenVMS. I do have one utility application (a PDF writer) that I want to port. My system will also be a test bed to do a "proof of concept" to convince a client to move their stuff off Alpha. And it looks like at least a half-dozen have sold already. The one I bought drew 6 other bids besides mine (gotta love eSnipe). We'll see from how many of the 50 sell whether there's a lot of demand. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:17:17 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <8660a3a10808281817w4ef6bf00r179b2dbd35705cd9@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > David wrote: >> >> What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get >> another one? > > Sure, why not. At that price you could buy several spare boxes for the > price of a system with a warranty. :-). Or one could put them on maintenance > with HP if that is a concern. > > As I said, caveat emptor, but I suspect these boxes would be solid systems > that would provide years of reliable service (that's been my experience so > far with the rx2600/zx6000s I've bought on eBay). > >> >> I am thinking about buying a few racks of these then offering them with >> disks and graphics etc. >> Maybe even preinstall VMS on them too. >> But we would have to charge considerably more to include a 12 mth warranty >> etc. > > There may be a market for systems with a longer warranty and of course one > would expect to pay for that guarantee. > >> And... the most important question.. how many people out there want an >> Itanium? >> > Don't know - let's see how many people buy one of these. > > Personally I don't know why one wouldn't want an Itanium. The ones I have > work just great - the rx2600s typically outperforms my ES40s and use a lot > less rack space and power. I have a box similar to these ones that makes a > pretty sweet Oracle server. > > I haven't done a lot of porting of my apps yet, but with the testing I've > done so far it's been pretty painless. > > If you have some critical version dependent code or an app without sources > that the vendor won't support on Itanium or need for VAX Floating Point or > specialized hardware I can see sticking with VAX or Alpha - but if you have > your own code or you're a hobbyist I'd go for an Itanium (especially if you > compare the specs on one of these systems to what a DS10 or DS20 is going > for). > I took four developers to one of the HP Alpha to Integrity porting workshops; one of the guys had an application written in FORTRAN. It seems that there was a syntax change in one particular command I don't know if it was a FORTRAN77 vs. 90 thing or not- and, in a nutshell, he pulled up his source in TPU, made a global change, saved, linked compiled, and was done. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:29:30 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <2fudnalh1OtjzSrVnZ2dnUVZ_q_inZ2d@comcast.com> David Turner wrote: > Hang on a second... > I am not bad mouthing them. > I talked to them this morning because I am interested myself. > I was just curious of the mentality of people that buy things like this on > Ebay. > Some companies allow their IT people to buy on Ebay and many don't. Many IT > pros have to justify their purchases. > I used to buy on e-Bay for my company. Somebody was dumping stuff on the market and I was able to get blue StorageWork Shelves for $20 or $30 each. I picked up some 9 GB drives at a pretty good price. Paid for it with the company credit card. If you can: a. trust the people you are dealing with, and b. get stuff at or below list it's the right thing to do. We had to stop because Pay-Pal said they had to have access to the company bank account which we, of course, were not authorized to give them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:53:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <00A7ECE9.63013B57@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <41985b3a-4ee5-451a-aa4c-85a555672871@1g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, Len Whitwer writes: >On Aug 28, 12:19=A0pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , Malcolm Dunnett spammers.are.scum> writes: >> >David wrote: >> >> What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get an= >other >> >> one? >> >> > =A0 Sure, why not. At that price you could buy several spare boxes for >> >the price of a system with a warranty. :-). Or one could put them on >> >maintenance with HP if that is a concern. >> >> Like the one I got via the Intel 3 day porting seminar? =A0It's become a >> parts carcass for the one that is still lumbering along. >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= >SIS(dot)COM >> >> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= >ction >> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= >NJSC) >> >> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = >outside >> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= >right >> notice, disclaimer and quotations. > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------= >----------------------------------- > >rx 2600's for sale!!!!!!! Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc > >We have just bought 25 of these units and will be offering them to >anyone who wants one. We will be testing them as soon as they >arrive (About 1 week) and they will be available for sale. We will >be putting a one year warranty on them to protect the buyer. Pricing >will depend on the final configuration desired. > >We can pre-load VMS, Linux or HP-UX as per buyers request. Or >the machine can be bought with no software. (Contact us on how >to get the licenses for free) > >Please call or e-mail me if you have any questions. > >Len Whitwer What about rack mounting kit? :roll: -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:41:04 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Why is EDT? Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, AEF wrote: > BTW, what is the origin of the name EDT? Is it a super-secret > acronym, or just an abbreviation of EDIT? EDI was already taken? If EDT on RSX came before or was concurrent with EDT on VMS then that is a plausible explanation. In RSX, specially installed tasks with became "commands" so you did not have to preface the line with RUN (longer explanation available). There was already an editor called EDI. My 2 cents. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:19:53 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: Why is EDT? Message-ID: Rob Brown wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, AEF wrote: > >> BTW, what is the origin of the name EDT? Is it a super-secret acronym, >> or just an abbreviation of EDIT? > > EDI was already taken? > > If EDT on RSX came before or was concurrent with EDT on VMS then that > is a plausible explanation. > > In RSX, specially installed tasks with long> became "commands" so you did not have to preface the line with RUN > (longer explanation available). There was already an editor called EDI. > > My 2 cents. > > EDT was written in the early 1980s, targeted at both RSX-11M and VAX/VMS. Your explanation of the name is plausable, but I don't have any independent confirmation of it. I was the project leader for EDT version 3. John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:25:51 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Why is EDT? Message-ID: John Sauter wrote: > Rob Brown wrote: >> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, AEF wrote: >> >>> BTW, what is the origin of the name EDT? Is it a super-secret >>> acronym, or just an abbreviation of EDIT? >> >> EDI was already taken? >> >> If EDT on RSX came before or was concurrent with EDT on VMS then that >> is a plausible explanation. >> >> In RSX, specially installed tasks with > long> became "commands" so you did not have to preface the line with >> RUN (longer explanation available). There was already an editor >> called EDI. >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> > EDT was written in the early 1980s, targeted at both RSX-11M and > VAX/VMS. Your explanation of the name is plausable, but I don't have > any independent confirmation of it. > > I was the project leader for EDT version 3. > John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) Permit me to congratulate you on a good job. EDT was my editor of choice throughout my VMS career! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:25:34 GMT From: =?UTF-8?B?SmFuLUVyaWsgU8O2ZGVyaG9sbQ==?= Subject: Re: Why is EDT? Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > John Sauter wrote: >> I was the project leader for EDT version 3. >> John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) > > Permit me to congratulate you on a good job. EDT was my editor of > choice throughout my VMS career! > > EDT *is* my editor of choice. Still is since my RSX times in early 80's. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:46:07 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Why is EDT? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080828164544.01cd5c00@raptor.psccos.com> At 04:25 PM 8/28/2008, Jan-Erik S=C3=B6derholm wrote: >Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>John Sauter wrote: >>>I was the project leader for EDT version 3. >>> John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) >>Permit me to congratulate you on a good job. EDT was my editor of choice= =20 >>throughout my VMS career! > >EDT *is* my editor of choice. >Still is since my RSX times in early 80's. ..or my RSTS times in the 70's... ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:03:25 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: Why is EDT? Message-ID: Dan O'Reilly wrote: > At 04:25 PM 8/28/2008, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>> John Sauter wrote: >>>> I was the project leader for EDT version 3. >>>> John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) >>> Permit me to congratulate you on a good job. EDT was my editor of >>> choice throughout my VMS career! >> >> EDT *is* my editor of choice. >> Still is since my RSX times in early 80's. > > ...or my RSTS times in the 70's... Thank you for the complements. I neglected RSTS/E: EDT was also initially targeted for it. For version 3 we developed an automated QA system to verify that fixed bugs did not recur. Because the QA system was fully automatic we ran it after each nightly build, and the first priority each morning was to fix any bugs that it turned up. I am currently looking for a job, and my preference is to develop an automated QA system. Is there anybody here looking for a QA developer in southern New Hampshire? John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:39:57 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: [VMS V7/8] How to avoid filling sec audit with entries of BACKUP user? user? Message-ID: <48B7617D.CFDC1D33@spam.comcast.net> Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > > Is there a (simple) way to avoid having the security audit file filled up > by security messages of the backup account using its BYPASS/READALL priv? > > That means, we want to see all the accesses on the system > > FILE access: > Failure: read,write,execute,delete,control > SYSPRV: read,write,execute,delete,control > BYPASS: read,write,execute,delete,control > READALL: read,write,execute,delete,control > > but not for this particular user (which makes 20-40% of the audit file)... > > *) Sticking UIC below MAXSYSGROUP would not make a difference, would it? > *) UAF /Flag=NoAudit is not overwriting Audit settings (as /FLAG=Audit is) > *) Sticking an ACL for the Backup account on *every* file is out of scope. > *) Filtering the security file afterwards /SELECT= is out of scope, too. > > What did I miss? I know you said, "Sticking an ACL for the Backup account on *every* file is out of scope"; however, remember that you can add that to the default ACEs on every top-level directory in every effected tree and then SET SECURITY/DEFAULT [topdir...]*.*;* to propagate that down each tree. So, its not THAT big a deal, as compared to scripting SET SECURITY commands to set ACEs on every file. The default ACEs get propagated to all new files, as well. Something to consider. Also, have you tried filtering ANAL/AUDIT using /IGNORE=USERNAME=BACKUP? D.J.D. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.472 ************************