INFO-VAX Mon, 08 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 492 Contents: Re: CIFS PDBEDIT -A gives a "Username not found!" error Re: Current status? Re: OT: Carly speeks at convetion Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Rails for DS20E and ES40 Re: SSH and SFTP configuration Re: [RBL] Current status? Re: [RBL] Current status? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:18:28 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: CIFS PDBEDIT -A gives a "Username not found!" error Message-ID: nothome wrote: > Hi, > > wrote in message > news:b02f21e0-9c8e-4b0d-acab-b7b12b8bce82@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 5, 8:45 pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > >>user1 uic = [100,100] no go >>user1 uic = [user234] no go >>user1 uic = [yadda,user234] no go >>user1 uic = [user1] ok >>user1 uic = [yadda,user1] ok >> >>So should this work? >> >>UAF> show sampsa >> >>Username: SAMPSA Owner: SAMPSA LAINE >>Account: SAMPSA UIC: [200,101] >>([ADAM,SAMPSA]) >>CLI: DCL Tables: DCLTABLES > > > Is there an identifier associated with UIC [200,101] (it appears not): > It looks like there is an identifier. It is hard to read because it wrapped. The wrapped part is [ADAM,SAMPSA], which looks to me like user SAMPSA in the ADAM group, which should be fine. > $ mc authorize show /ident sampsa > > Make sure sampsa identifier is mapped to uic [200,101]. CIFS does not > recognize an account if it does not have a _unique_ identifier (no sharing > of UICs). > > As a test, you might try: > > $ pdbedit -a system > > Also, the v1.0 documentation is wrong about using > @samba$root:[bin]samba$grant_gidusers.com. Don't use it - there's no valid > reason for doing what it does... > > HTH, > > Paul > > -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:34:25 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Current status? Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article <4w_vk.522$1a2.373@trnddc04>, John Santos > writes: > > >>AKAIK, there is no standard, reliable way for a client to >>identify its own SMTP server for sending messages. The >>person setting up the client generally needs to be *told* >>this by the networking powers that be, and then set up the >>client appropriately. > > > $ TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/GATEWAY=ALTERNATE= > > In my case: > > Alternate gateway: SMTP-RELAY.DYNACCESS.DE > > >>This leads to 2 problems. 1) I've figured out how to >>coerce UCX (really HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, but that >>is too damn long to type) into using "domain.com" instead >>of "host.domain.com", > > > Substitute domain? "substitute domain" doesn't work right in my situation. I need to check again what it did, but IIRC, it changed the host address in the "MAIL FROM:" RFC 821 header, but not in the "From:" RFC 822 header, and I needed the opposite (or I only cared about the other one. But I could have this backwards... > > >>but I haven't figured out how to make >>it send from "known.user" instead of "username". > > > DEFINE TCPIP$SMTP_FROM ? > Again, it changes the 822 From: header, but not the 821 "MAIL FROM:" header. I think I just got my MIME problem (see original post) sorted... Will post more about this when I get to it. TIA. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:39:19 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: Carly speeks at convetion Message-ID: <48c45816$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> You think they are scared by the huge group of VMS enthusiasts ? > > I am not sure that VMS enthusiasts were the only ones to have been > unimpressed (understatement) by La Carly. If there is sufficient > discontent with her as head of HP, someone vetting her would have done > google searches and probably seen a large variety of negative posts > about her. And if they quietly checked with someone on the board, the > later may have confirmed the public sentiment about her. CEO's are like trainers for soccer teams. They get blamed for everything that goes wrong. And if there is a need for a "major change" then changing him/her is bar far the easiest. And they get rather well compensated for it. Being CEO for a company that get "bad numbers" is not automatically a disqualification. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:38:14 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Message-ID: <48C49015.746DCC8A@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > In article <48BF3BB1.82DA5897@spam.comcast.net>, > David J Dachtera writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >> Are you limited to only things that come with AIX? CFEngine might be > >> what you need but it is one of those dreaded OpenSource thingies. :-) > > > > If there is a binary available for WhineBloze, that would get me around > > issues of vendors not wanting anything "foreign" on the system, for FDA > > compliance or what-have-you. > > Huh?? I thought you needed a solution for AIX. I do - however, I state dno requirement that it actually RUN on AIX - in fact, I'd much prefer that it didn't. All kinds of vendor-blessings hassles and such, y'know... > There is no similarity > between Windows and Unix That seems a bit much. There are SOEM commonalities, but they're not wholly incompatible. > so expecting a configuration managment program > for Unix to support Windows as well is, well, kinda silly. Ever heard of HP OpenView? ...Tivoli? EMC's ECC (Windows app. that "talks" to its own agents on everything from VMS to WhineBloze, not to mention the Symmetrix arrays themselves), ... I'm sure there's tons more. Let's not forget StorageWorks Command Console (SWCC), either. > So, are you > looking for AIX software or Windows software. Ne'r the twain shall meet. :-) I wouldn't say that, really. Some WhineBloze app.'s do choke on Stream-LF files (example: NotePad vs. WordPad), but for simply moving byte streams around and issuing commands via SSH, it seems logical enough. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:42:24 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: SYSMAN Equiv. on AIX? Message-ID: <48C49110.F61D3A98@spam.comcast.net> Joe Bloggs wrote: > > On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:39:14 -0500, David J Dachtera > wrote: > > >> $ rcom.sh prod uptime > >> # ssh uptime # Host A ---------------- > >> 12:51pm up 43 days 5:17, 0 users, load average: 0.74, 0.80, 0.90 > >> # ssh uptime # Host B ---------------- > >> 12:51pm up 50 days 17:35, 1 user, load average: 1.11, 1.05, 1.06 > >> # ssh uptime # Host C ---------------- > >> 12:51pm up 50 days 18:45, 0 users, load average: 0.85, 1.08, 1.26 > >> $ > > > >Now - take that to the next level, and automate it across multiple LPARs > >so the command only has to be manually entered ONCE. Looks like you > >have, but it's not very clear. > > yes, that was the intent, if it wasn't clear > > the use of SSH here, is not much different > than, say, using RSH to execute 1-line commands > but most folks would prefer to use SSH for security reasons. > > another caveat, is most (unix) sites would disallow using > privileged accounts (eg root) via remote access (ssh, telnet, etc) > but if your systems are on isolated/secure subnets, > doing so, it might be reasonable choice ... > > >What is "rcom.sh"? > > nothing special. i had just named a (user) script rcom.sh > deriving the name from the VMS tool. > > iow, it's not a 'standard' tool/script. > > just a short bash script, with a series of > SSH invocations, determined by the cmd-line arguments > > snippet below. > > f.ex, > ~/rcom.sh nyc 'uptime' > > would send 'uptime' to hosts nyc1, nyc2, nyc3 > > a fancier bash script, could do pass the node-names > as arguments, or derive them from other shell variables. > > it might be better done from Perl, or a 3GL, to wrap > the SSH invocations in a timeout handler. > > On Linux, it seems that ctrl-C will work to break > out of a hangin ssh command (and go onto the others if needed) > > #!/bin/bash > #set -o xtrace > hst=$(hostname -s) > hst=`echo $hst | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]"` # tolower > # > if [[ ( "$1" == 'all' ) || ("$1" == 'nyc') ]]; then > echo '# ssh '$2' # nyc1 ----------------' > ssh nyc1 "$2" > echo '# ssh '$2' # nyc2 ----------------' > ssh nyc2 "$2" > echo '# ssh '$2' # nyc3 ----------------' > ssh nyc3 "$2" > fi > # > #set +o xtrace Looks like you're thinking in the right direction. It just needs to be made more "site neutral". If you've ever worked for an ISV, or packaged freeware for multiple environments (VAX + Alpha (+ I64), clustered vs. non-clustered, IP-stack agnostic, etc.) that would give you a taste of what this would need to be. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:21:21 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <48c44630$0$4544$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Gremlin wrote: > Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC > and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either > platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are > corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - > same reason. The PS files on VMS would normally be variable length records, like other text files. You can open the postscript files in a text editor on the mac with: open -t mypostscript.ps (man open for more info, the -t forces it to open the file in a text editor (usually textedit by default) You should then see what sort of format it has, and in particular, if you have junk characters between lines. On VMS, there are 2 binary bytes before each record to denote how long the record is. If you see those on the mac, it means that you didn't have a text file transfer and they were transfered in binary mode. You probably need to use FTP from command line and issue the actual TYPE ASCII command. And just to be sure, you should also try to edit them on VMS. (EDIT/TPU mypostscript.ps) and ensure that it is kosher postscript, in particular the first few lines that contain the postscript "signature" lines. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:36:01 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <5PXwk.2171$U5.1849@newsb.telia.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Gremlin wrote: >> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC >> and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either >> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are >> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - >> same reason. > > You can open the postscript files in a text editor on the mac with: Again, Gremlin, what documents is this ? I'll bet that there are PDF files available already. All compilers I know about have docs in PDF format. If so, you can just forget about the PS files... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:33:17 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <48c456ab$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > Gremlin wrote: >> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC >> and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either >> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are >> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - >> same reason. > > The PS files on VMS would normally be variable length records, like > other text files. stream_lf is rather common as well these days. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:50:40 +1000 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <00d46323$0$14351$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Hi Jan-Erik and all those who contrinuted The problem is solved but I think that there were two parts to it. 1. The PS files were all the user guides etc for C, C++ and Bliss 2. I copied them using ASCII via FileZilla but couldn't open them in Adobe or Preview. 3. I read your answers, tried again a and - no luck. 4. I rebooted the Mac, tried again and it worked! So, something inside OSX was obviously a bit broken but now all works well - thanks! Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Gremlin wrote: >>> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a >>> PC and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either >>> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are >>> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - >>> same reason. >> >> You can open the postscript files in a text editor on the mac with: > > Again, Gremlin, what documents is this ? > > I'll bet that there are PDF files available already. > All compilers I know about have docs in PDF format. > > If so, you can just forget about the PS files... > > Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:59:02 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <08090719590205_20201252@antinode.info> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= > JF Mezei wrote: > > Gremlin wrote: > >> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC > >> and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either > >> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are > >> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - > >> same reason. > > > > The PS files on VMS would normally be variable length records, like > > other text files. > > stream_lf is rather common as well these days. My SYS$HELP:CC073_RELEASE_NOTES.PS was "Record format: Variable length". From: Gremlin > 1. The PS files were all the user guides etc for C, C++ and Bliss Around here, files have names, and are situated in directories. This can be used to identify what you're talking about, if you know. > 3. I read your answers, tried again a and - no luck. Tried _what_ again? And "no luck" means what, exactly? My advice would be to get a real name, and learn how to ask a technical question. Sometimes, providing some useful information can help lead to a useful answer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:25:14 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= > >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Gremlin wrote: >>>> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC >>>> and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either >>>> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are >>>> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - >>>> same reason. >>> The PS files on VMS would normally be variable length records, like >>> other text files. >> stream_lf is rather common as well these days. > > My SYS$HELP:CC073_RELEASE_NOTES.PS was "Record format: Variable > length". > > From: Gremlin > >> 1. The PS files were all the user guides etc for C, C++ and Bliss > > Around here, files have names, and are situated in directories. This > can be used to identify what you're talking about, if you know. > >> 3. I read your answers, tried again a and - no luck. > > Tried _what_ again? And "no luck" means what, exactly? My advice > would be to get a real name, and learn how to ask a technical question. > Sometimes, providing some useful information can help lead to a useful > answer. > I usually post this link when somebody "under specifies" a question! http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:52:45 +1000 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <00d47fbf$0$2879$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Steven I appreciate your input and can understand your possible frustration but..... - files have names and are in directories as you say, but identifying sys$help:[cc$alpha_help_071]ug.ps makes absolutely no difference to the problem or the resolution. There were six different ps files in different directories all with the same problem, eventually resolved by rebooting the Mac. All the different filenames, in this case, would have made no difference. But thank you for reading and suggesting some options. - No luck means it didn't work - I didn't see what I expected which if what JF described as working in his environment - hence I decided to reboot the Mac. - Thanks for your advice about getting a real name and learning how to ask a technical question. I will file that under personal development and remember to refer to it when I check my notes in future. Cheers and (still) thanks for all the help and positive assistance Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= > >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Gremlin wrote: >>>> Just installed some compilers on OVMS8.3 and FTPd the PS files to a PC >>>> and a Mac. Can't open them using Adobe Distiller/Reader on either >>>> platform or the Preview tool on OSX as the product says they are >>>> corrupt. Can't "decode" them online using GhostScript interpreter - >>>> same reason. >>> The PS files on VMS would normally be variable length records, like >>> other text files. >> stream_lf is rather common as well these days. > > My SYS$HELP:CC073_RELEASE_NOTES.PS was "Record format: Variable > length". > > From: Gremlin > >> 1. The PS files were all the user guides etc for C, C++ and Bliss > > Around here, files have names, and are situated in directories. This > can be used to identify what you're talking about, if you know. > >> 3. I read your answers, tried again a and - no luck. > > Tried _what_ again? And "no luck" means what, exactly? My advice > would be to get a real name, and learn how to ask a technical question. > Sometimes, providing some useful information can help lead to a useful > answer. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 21:16:46 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <08090721164679_20201252@antinode.info> From: Gremlin > I appreciate your input and can understand your possible frustration > but..... Apparently not. > - files have names and are in directories as you say, but identifying > sys$help:[cc$alpha_help_071]ug.ps makes absolutely no difference to the > problem or the resolution. [...] Well, duh. Knowing an actual file name would let me know if I have the same file on my system, where, if I had it, I could look at its record format, as you failed to provide any info on this, making it tough to say whether ASCII or binary FTP would be more appropriate, among other things. Details which you deem unimportant may actually be important, believe it or not. (If you knew everything, you wouldn't be asking for help here, now, would you?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:35:17 +1000 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: Problem with PostScript files on Alpha Message-ID: <00d489b7$0$20318$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Again than you for your thoughts. As you apparently know whether I really appreciate your inputs and effort or not, I won't need to make any further comment. As a solution to the problem came about by reading other peoples' suggestions, at least your comments about the importance of knowing all the details of the filenames shows that, it this case, there is more than one path to a correct solution. This time it was not yours, but JF's and others. So, to reduce the news group's noise and to further ensure that I don't show off any more of my ignorance (how wonderful it must be to know everything), I won't trouble you with any more replies for the effort you have expended on my behalf, for which I am grateful but, according to your opening remark, apparently I'm not. Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: Gremlin > >> I appreciate your input and can understand your possible frustration >> but..... > > Apparently not. > >> - files have names and are in directories as you say, but identifying >> sys$help:[cc$alpha_help_071]ug.ps makes absolutely no difference to the >> problem or the resolution. [...] > > Well, duh. Knowing an actual file name would let me know if I have > the same file on my system, where, if I had it, I could look at its > record format, as you failed to provide any info on this, making it > tough to say whether ASCII or binary FTP would be more appropriate, > among other things. Details which you deem unimportant may actually be > important, believe it or not. (If you knew everything, you wouldn't be > asking for help here, now, would you?) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: leec Subject: Rails for DS20E and ES40 Message-ID: I have an 4-post APC open rack with square holes I'd like to put an ES40 and DS20 in. Do they require Compaq specific rails to fit in a std 19" rack, or are there generic rails that can be used to mount them? I've talked to a couple used equipment vendors, but they only steer me to an installation kit that costs $400 - too much for too little. Thanks! Lee Courtney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:57:10 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SSH and SFTP configuration Message-ID: <48C49486.CB2A74AD@spam.comcast.net> "Skipper W. Morris" wrote: > > Does anyone have experience getting Host Based Authentication working > for SSH and SFTP. > > What I really want to do is use SFTP from a batch job. However SFTP is > written to make it impossible. It bombs out if you try and include the > password in a file anywhere. > > The supported alternative is Host Based Authentication. This is sorta > like DECnet proxy access, but much more complicated to setup. > > I've copied keygen files to directories, edited shost.equiv files, and > done just about everything except sacrifice a goats entrails on my > keyboard. But I *still* have to enter a password by hand. AH! See - there's your problem: goat. It's supposed to be a sheep. ...or a skunk - I forget... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:48:29 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: [RBL] Current status? Message-ID: <48C4927D.7E4EBCD8@spam.comcast.net> "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > >> > >> A corporate firewall should be detecting and setting off security alarms > >> when a non-mail server attempts to make a direct SMTP connection through it. > > > > ...and there in lies the rub: too many vendor-managed proprietary > > (non-Windows) systems where the vendor is unwilling to "play by the > > house rules". > > If the system is supposed to send e-mail, then it can be let through the > firewall. Indeed. > If it is not supposed to send e-mail, and it attempts to, don't you > think someone should find out why? Naturally; however, who ever conducts the search needs to be aware that "legacy" systems will be encountered where either the vendor is unwilling to support enhancements or revisions or the vendor is defunct and the existing system must be tolerated as-is until it is de-implemented. > >> Another techique to use is a Samba Server configured to look like a > >> vulnerable PC to see what systems attempt to infect it. > >> > >> And Corporate/Educational network owners should consider being > >> suspicious of any outgoing e-mail with reply-to addresses for any of the > >> free/demo e-mailers: > >> > >> hotmail.com, live.com, live.ca, live.co.uk, live.* > >> > >> aol.com, games.com, aim.com, aol.* > >> > >> voila.fr, myway.com, gazeta.pl > >> > >> yahoo.com, rocketmail.com, ymail.com, yahoo.* > >> > >> gmail.com, googlemail.com > > > > Note: "should consider being suspicious of", but should not block > > arbitrarily. > > It depends what is more important to the business: > > Delivery of personal e-mails to non-business addresses through the > businesses e-mail servers/firewalls or the delivery of messages/pages > that are critical to the business. Both are absolutely vital. Neither can be excluded at the expense of the other. Welcome to the world of healthcare! > Or if it is important for the business to know if criminals have access > to private business and personal records. This is needed also; however, it MUST NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES interfere with normal operations. Again, welcome to the real world of healthcare, Neo! D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:51:12 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: [RBL] Current status? Message-ID: <48C49320.4431A15C@spam.comcast.net> Bob Koehler wrote: > > In article , "John E. Malmberg" writes: > > > > If it is not supposed to send e-mail, and it attempts to, don't you > > think someone should find out why? > > We've had a lot of problems deploying COTS products that send > out notifications via email, from systems that the security folks > think shouldn't be "mail servers". In general, this handled by setting the appropriate outbound SMTP "relay" server, so the system(s) in question send mail to/through an "authorized sender" rather than each having outbound SMTP access directly through the firewall. > So "supposed to" is in the eye of the beholder. Quite. D.J.D. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.492 ************************