INFO-VAX Sun, 14 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 505 Contents: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 04:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: sampsal@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: On Sep 13, 6:29=A0pm, "forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam" wrote: > I > would not even both to try on a 2600, or any of the unsupported platforms= . > The rest of the systems you should have better luck. =A0Having said that = you > should be up to date with your firmware. So this will probably not work on an rx2600 (which is what I'm picking up tomorrow) or were you referring to a rx2600? Sampsa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: sampsal@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: <842fc6b1-88e6-4ee4-a000-3d467a1533b8@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Sep 14, 12:56=A0pm, samp...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sep 13, 6:29=A0pm, "forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam" > > wrote: > > I > > would not even both to try on a 2600, or any of the unsupported platfor= ms. > > The rest of the systems you should have better luck. =A0Having said tha= t you > > should be up to date with your firmware. > > So this will probably not work on an rx2600 (which is what I'm picking > up tomorrow) or were you referring to a rx2600? > > Sampsa Here's what I MEANT to say: So this will probably not work on an rx2600 (which is what I'm picking up tomorrow) or were you referring to a ZX2600? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:30:05 -0400 From: "forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam" Subject: Re: Installing VMS onto USB disk on an Itanium Message-ID: It might work on the RX2600 the problem is that the 2600 firmware has problems with USB Mass Storage support. We rely on the firmware to get booted so if you are lucky the firmware will work with your pen drive but it may not. The firmware in the 2600, ZX2000 and the like is unlikely to get any updates to fix the known problems. Having said that the original demo I did was done using a 2600. Forrest wrote in message news:842fc6b1-88e6-4ee4-a000-3d467a1533b8@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... On Sep 14, 12:56 pm, samp...@gmail.com wrote: > On Sep 13, 6:29 pm, "forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam" > > wrote: > > I > > would not even both to try on a 2600, or any of the unsupported > > platforms. > > The rest of the systems you should have better luck. Having said that > > you > > should be up to date with your firmware. > > So this will probably not work on an rx2600 (which is what I'm picking > up tomorrow) or were you referring to a rx2600? > > Sampsa Here's what I MEANT to say: So this will probably not work on an rx2600 (which is what I'm picking up tomorrow) or were you referring to a ZX2600? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:05:57 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <00A7F97D.BE8B1BDC@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article , AEF writes: >On Sep 10, 5:15 am, JF Mezei wrote: >[...] >> BTW: >> >> $ curl -Ihttp://www.cern.ch >> HTTP/1.1 302 Found >> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:11:05 GMT >> Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0 >> X-Powered-By: ASP.NET >> X-AspNet-Version: 1.1.4322 >> Location:http://public.web.cern.ch/public/ >> Cache-Control: private >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 >> Content-Length: 150 >> >> And I thought CERN was populated by intelligent and educated people who >> would know not to use microsoft products. > >That's only their website. I seriously doubt the physicists themselves >run it, let alone set it up. They probably hired the services of some >company to do it, but I'm not sure. Besides, their talent is physics, >not computer shopping. And how would people in this newsgroup, and any >other IT people, no matter how "intelligent", be able to pick out >equipment and set up the largest, most powerful accelerator facility >ever built? (OK, that's a slightly bogus argument, but physicists >don't give such matters a whole lot of thought. And keeping a website >running is far less important than the accelerator itself.) > (Kinda funny argument, given that webservers were invented at CERN.) >As for running the accelerator itself and its detectors and what not >-- I really don't know. I know that people in the physics group I was >in at graduate school used to use VAX/VMS and recently (if not still) >use Linux to analyze their data. Places where I did experiments used >VAX/VMS to analyze data. What did they use to run the accelerators? >Some places, like the lab at Ohio U., used their own contraptions. In >fact, many of them may be like that. I think the actual equipment in >use is more important. It's been a long time since I was involved with >such stuff. > >So I wouldn't read too much into this. I'm at SLAC. (First site in North America to have a web site, which originally ran on now-mothballed big IBM iron.) There are multiple accelerators and equipment here. In my division, SSRL, we have a synchrotron ring and a dedicated injector. Those are primarily run by VMS systems. The big Linac is primarily run by VMS systems. I'm given to understand that the accelerator physics community has largely gotten behind a control system called EPICS, which is developed on Unix systems, and many new installations therefore use Unix/Linux systems. People here have ported Epics to VMS. Some of our experimental stations run on Unix, and we have a big facility that, last I looked, was on Irix. SLAC has an assortment of web servers for internal and external use, and the ones run by central IT are on Windows (mostly) and some Linux systems. SSRL's webservers (which I'm in charge of) are VMS-based (Alpha and Itanium). What runs your webserver has very little to do with what runs your physics hardware. -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:11:02 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <00A7F97E.74789C35@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article <031775f9$0$2159$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >AEF wrote: > >> As for running the accelerator itself and its detectors and what not >> -- I really don't know. I know that people in the physics group I was >> in at graduate school used to use VAX/VMS and recently (if not still) >> use Linux to analyze their data. Places where I did experiments used > >Particle accelerators is not something you buy at Walmart. How much of >the hardware they have can be "off the shelf" ? Would they require >special custom built PCI cards to stuff into 8086s running whatever to >control (for instance) the magnets all around the vacuum tube where >particles travel ? Or would they be able to use fairly standard lab >equipment to have some computer very precisely control the magnets ? >(and whatever else). I'm not an expert, but the short answer would be that it depends on your design and your existing hardware. SSRL inherited the early-1970s SPEAR ring and has been through two massive upgrades, but there's still a lot of custom hardware and electronics in it, I think. If you started out to build it from scratch, you could do a lot more with off-the-shelf systems. (Note that these projects are *huge* and take a long time to put together. If you started to build SPEAR now - not that big of a machine - you might come online in 2017 if you were lucky. That would be about five incompatible Windows architectures from now.) There are some vendors (*cough* Kinetic Systems *cough*) who sell interface cards and no longer provide VMS drivers, and who don't upgrade the existing drivers for new VMS versions. -- Alan ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.505 ************************