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Re: What creates .RND files? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: On Sep 25, 2:48=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Simon Clubley wrote: > > In article , "Richard B. = Gilbert" writes: > >> Please remember that DCL IS a Command Line Interpreter and NOT really = a > >> programming language! =A0 Exactly. It should be just interpretting my command and yet it does not know how to when I need a minor correction. >I know it has been used to write applications but > >> it's certainly not the primary purpose. Beg to differ!! >=A0There are certainly better > >> tools available for writing most applications. Who is talking applications? I'm being hindered by this issue using straight simple commands like "edit/fdl/nointeractive/analy=3Dxx.fdl_analysis_nodex_20080808/ output=3Dyy.fdl_tuned yy.fdl_design while cutting and pasting half decent self explanatory file specs. Ditto for many a backup, link and pipe command. > DCL and the terminal driver are behaving as documented. And it is broken... as documented > =A0It has been this way since I came on board in 1984. Yes, it has been broken for ever and OpenVMS Engineering has been too lame to fix it while they still had the resources to do so. > =A0I see no need to "fix" what isn't broken. It's broken. It's badly broken. It hurts my ability to work well on OpenVMS. It suckz. Windows CMD does a better job. HPux does a better job. I had a 'notepad' handyn with half command lines to cut & paste from to glue together long commands. > If you REALLY need to type, and edit, command lines longer than 132 > characters, please feel free to write your own terminal driver, CLI, Bollocks. (sorry, 'been in London for a week :-) 132+ chars happens all the time. Fess'up! > etc. =A0I think you'll find it MUCH easier to put such things in a .COM > file, edit that file until you get it right and then execute them from > the file. No As much as like command files, temporary command files are no solution. IMHO. Any half decent 'pipe' command or perl 'one liner' bangs into this short sighted restriction. The only workaround is to cut and paste snippets of valid command line around the bend. Lame! And didn't you just yourself a couple replies earlier write it is a command interpreter, and "I know it has been used to write applications but it's certainly not the primary purpose. " Sticking a command into a command file just about makes it into an application... imho. fwiw, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:14:58 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On Sep 25, 2:48 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> Simon Clubley wrote: >>> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >>>> Please remember that DCL IS a Command Line Interpreter and NOT really a >>>> programming language! > > Exactly. It should be just interpretting my command and yet it does > not know how to when I need a minor correction. > >> I know it has been used to write applications but >>>> it's certainly not the primary purpose. > > Beg to differ!! > >> There are certainly better >>>> tools available for writing most applications. > > Who is talking applications? > I'm being hindered by this issue using straight simple commands like > "edit/fdl/nointeractive/analy=xx.fdl_analysis_nodex_20080808/ > output=yy.fdl_tuned yy.fdl_design while cutting and pasting half > decent self explanatory file specs. Ditto for many a backup, link and > pipe command. > >> DCL and the terminal driver are behaving as documented. > > And it is broken... as documented > >> It has been this way since I came on board in 1984. > > Yes, it has been broken for ever and OpenVMS Engineering has been too > lame to fix it while they still had the resources to do so. > >> I see no need to "fix" what isn't broken. > > It's broken. It's badly broken. It hurts my ability to work well on > OpenVMS. It suckz. > Windows CMD does a better job. HPux does a better job. > I had a 'notepad' handyn with half command lines to cut & paste from > to glue together long commands. > >> If you REALLY need to type, and edit, command lines longer than 132 >> characters, please feel free to write your own terminal driver, CLI, > > Bollocks. (sorry, 'been in London for a week :-) > > 132+ chars happens all the time. Fess'up! > > >> etc. I think you'll find it MUCH easier to put such things in a .COM >> file, edit that file until you get it right and then execute them from >> the file. > > No As much as like command files, temporary command files are no > solution. IMHO. > Any half decent 'pipe' command or perl 'one liner' bangs into this > short sighted restriction. > The only workaround is to cut and paste snippets of valid command line > around the bend. Lame! > > And didn't you just yourself a couple replies earlier write it is a > command interpreter, and "I know it has been used to write > applications but it's certainly not the primary purpose. " > Sticking a command into a command file just about makes it into an > application... imho. > > fwiw, > Hein. When I encounter (seldom) a command line longer than 132 characters I tend to put it in a command file. I have been using and managing VMS systems since 1984 without being seriously inconvenienced by the 132 character maximum line length on most terminals. I have successfully resisted the temptation to use the longest possible file names. Perhaps I'm a hopeless reactionary but I feel no inclination to push the limits until something breaks. Putting DCL into a .COM file doesn't make it an "application" in the usual sense of that word. It just means that I don't have to remember it and retype it each time I need it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:56:50 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: License generator... Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:22:23 -0600, Keith Parris wrote: > > However, DECUS/Encompass now steers you to the Connect web site, and I > > can't find an equivalent of the old DECUS associate membership there. > > I asked Nina Buik, President of the new combined Connect user group, > about this issue, and she replied: > > "We will still offer the OpenVMS Hobbyist License to non-voting members. > In order to be a non-voting/non-paying member, one needs to be either > affiliated with a local chapter or if there is none, show active > volunteerism by serving on a committee, posting content on our social > networking site, speaking at events...etc." ... And people who lives five or six thousand kilometers apart from United States, and has a poor daily work somewhere on the wrong side of the ocean (which does not allow for occasional trips to the USA because of money and spare time issues), what should do? Social networking site? If it's a technical thing, what should be the content produced by a person that has never seen VMS before and who needs the licenses just to learn about it? If it's not, what about spending spare time chatting on it with people you'll never ever meet instead of learning VMS? Here in Italy we [1] are actually spreading the VMS verb just for the sake of it, as it has unfortuntely disappeared from business long ago (never seen a VMS advertisement in more than 10 years), and DECUS Italy went with it. We are facing some big problems with these restrictions: just a few days ago, a friend of ours was willing to experiment with that wonderful operating system which he hears about from us almost every day, and this issue was stopping him way before starting. We saved the day "lending" him one of our sets of licenses while looking for a DECUS still accepting non-paying members. As a matter of facts, the various membership fees appears to have a net cost far higher than running the whole of our Italian DECnet Network thing. We are really concerned about those closures. Are they trying to stop what they might see as an uncontrolled (?) license spreading and/or to end the whole Hobbyist Program? Are we seeing the very beginning of the end for VMS? Think about it, G. [1] http://decnet.ipv7.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:13:21 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:19 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" > writes: >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:58:57 -0700, Tom Linden >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:42:20 -0700, forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If there is power to the system you should get at least on LED on >>>> the LAB connector for the MP. If there is no LED looks like you >>>> may have a non-functional Management Processor module. >>>> >>> I will check that when I get to the office. I was referring to the MP >>> ethernet >>> port. >>> >>>> >>>> Forrest >>>> >> Turns out that the printed ribbon cable with the small connect >> to the monitor board was loose. Now I can see the MP. >> >> However, coming from the alpha over tta0 with set host/dte >> the screen continually refreshes and the up down arrows down do >> anything. >> >> Here are the TTA0 settings >> >> Terminal: _TTA0: Device_Type: Unknown Owner: No Owner >> >> Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None >> Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 >> >> Terminal Characteristics: >> Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape >> No Hostsync TTsync Lowercase No Tab >> Wrap Scope No Remote Eightbit >> Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup >> No Modem No Local_echo Autobaud No Hangup >> No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd Set_speed >> No Commsync Line Editing Overstrike editing No Fallback >> No Dialup No Secure server Disconnect No Pasthru >> No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer >> Port >> Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No >> Block_mode >> No Advanced_video No Edit_mode No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 >> No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 No >> Ansi_Color >> VMS Style Input Backspace >> >> I also tried from a W2K box using hypeterm and similar crap. > > > Tom, > > Where are you trying to use the arrow-keys? The menus at the MP are > entered > with, usually, two letter commands. For example: CM, CO, CL, SL, etc. > The > only place I recall the arrows working is in the COnsole menu. > This was in the COnsole and the menus when presented, the items didn't appear on succeeding lines but kept overwriting itself. Anyway I am now anle to use the MP so screw it. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) From: PR Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: <1aabbc13-f2d0-46e1-806f-d341b74a4f2d@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 1:13=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:19 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > > In article , "Tom Linden" =A0 > > writes: > >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:58:57 -0700, Tom Linden = =A0 > >> wrote: > > >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:42:20 -0700, forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam > >>> wrote: > > >>>> =A0 =A0If there is power to the system you should get at least on LE= D on > >>>> the LAB connector for the MP. =A0If there is no LED looks like you > >>>> may have a non-functional Management Processor module. > > >>> I will check that when I get to the office. =A0I was referring to the= MP > >>> ethernet > >>> port. > > >>>> Forrest > > >> Turns out that the printed ribbon cable with the small connect > >> to the monitor board was loose. =A0Now I can see the MP. > > >> However, coming from the alpha over tta0 with set host/dte > >> the screen continually refreshes and the up down arrows down do > >> anything. > > >> Here are the TTA0 settings > > >> Terminal: _TTA0: =A0 =A0 =A0Device_Type: Unknown =A0 =A0 =A0 Owner: No= Owner > > >> =A0 =A0Input: =A0 =A09600 =A0 =A0 LFfill: =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0Width: =A080= =A0 =A0 =A0Parity: None > >> =A0 =A0Output: =A0 9600 =A0 =A0 CRfill: =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0Page: =A0 24 > > >> Terminal Characteristics: > >> =A0 =A0Interactive =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Echo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Typ= e_ahead =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Escape > >> =A0 =A0No Hostsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TTsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lower= case =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Tab > >> =A0 =A0Wrap =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Scope =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0No Remote =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Eightbit > >> =A0 =A0Broadcast =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Readsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Form= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Fulldup > >> =A0 =A0No Modem =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Local_echo =A0 =A0 =A0Autobaud = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Hangup > >> =A0 =A0No Brdcstmbx =A0 =A0 =A0 No DMA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Alty= peahd =A0 =A0 =A0 Set_speed > >> =A0 =A0No Commsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Line Editing =A0 =A0 =A0 Overstrike = editing No Fallback > >> =A0 =A0No Dialup =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Secure server =A0 Disconnect = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Pasthru > >> =A0 =A0No Syspassword =A0 =A0 No SIXEL Graphics =A0No Soft Characters = No Printer =A0 > >> Port > >> =A0 =A0Numeric Keypad =A0 =A0 No ANSI_CRT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Regis =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No =A0 > >> Block_mode > >> =A0 =A0No Advanced_video =A0No Edit_mode =A0 =A0 =A0 No DEC_CRT =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 No DEC_CRT2 > >> =A0 =A0No DEC_CRT3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No DEC_CRT4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No DEC_CR= T5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No =A0 > >> Ansi_Color > >> =A0 =A0VMS Style Input =A0 =A0 Backspace > > >> I also tried from a W2K box using hypeterm and similar crap. > > > Tom, > > > Where are you trying to use the arrow-keys? =A0The menus at the MP are = =A0 > > entered > > with, usually, two letter commands. =A0For example: CM, CO, CL, SL, etc= . =A0 > > The > > only place I recall the arrows working is in the COnsole menu. > > This was in the COnsole and the menus when presented, the items didn't = =A0 > appear > on succeeding lines but kept overwriting itself. > Anyway I am now anle to use the MP so screw it. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com Congats - it is a bit of a nuisance to get through. :) BTW, you do realize that the CO command from the MP puts you right back into that same place you were having trouble with, right? :) You might need to run a VT100 emulator on a PC or something to get it to clear up. Putty works really well over the MP network port. -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:51:47 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: <00A802AF.144C6FED@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1aabbc13-f2d0-46e1-806f-d341b74a4f2d@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, PR writes: >On Sep 25, 1:13=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:19 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: >> > In article , "Tom Linden" =A0 >> > writes: >> >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:58:57 -0700, Tom Linden = >=A0 >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:42:20 -0700, forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam >> >>> wrote: >> >> >>>> =A0 =A0If there is power to the system you should get at least on LE= >D on >> >>>> the LAB connector for the MP. =A0If there is no LED looks like you >> >>>> may have a non-functional Management Processor module. >> >> >>> I will check that when I get to the office. =A0I was referring to the= > MP >> >>> ethernet >> >>> port. >> >> >>>> Forrest >> >> >> Turns out that the printed ribbon cable with the small connect >> >> to the monitor board was loose. =A0Now I can see the MP. >> >> >> However, coming from the alpha over tta0 with set host/dte >> >> the screen continually refreshes and the up down arrows down do >> >> anything. >> >> >> Here are the TTA0 settings >> >> >> Terminal: _TTA0: =A0 =A0 =A0Device_Type: Unknown =A0 =A0 =A0 Owner: No= > Owner >> >> >> =A0 =A0Input: =A0 =A09600 =A0 =A0 LFfill: =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0Width: =A080= > =A0 =A0 =A0Parity: None >> >> =A0 =A0Output: =A0 9600 =A0 =A0 CRfill: =A00 =A0 =A0 =A0Page: =A0 24 >> >> >> Terminal Characteristics: >> >> =A0 =A0Interactive =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Echo =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Typ= >e_ahead =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Escape >> >> =A0 =A0No Hostsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0TTsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Lower= >case =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Tab >> >> =A0 =A0Wrap =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Scope =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = >=A0No Remote =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Eightbit >> >> =A0 =A0Broadcast =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Readsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Form= > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Fulldup >> >> =A0 =A0No Modem =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Local_echo =A0 =A0 =A0Autobaud = >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Hangup >> >> =A0 =A0No Brdcstmbx =A0 =A0 =A0 No DMA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Alty= >peahd =A0 =A0 =A0 Set_speed >> >> =A0 =A0No Commsync =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Line Editing =A0 =A0 =A0 Overstrike = >editing No Fallback >> >> =A0 =A0No Dialup =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Secure server =A0 Disconnect = >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No Pasthru >> >> =A0 =A0No Syspassword =A0 =A0 No SIXEL Graphics =A0No Soft Characters = >No Printer =A0 >> >> Port >> >> =A0 =A0Numeric Keypad =A0 =A0 No ANSI_CRT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No Regis =A0 = >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 No =A0 >> >> Block_mode >> >> =A0 =A0No Advanced_video =A0No Edit_mode =A0 =A0 =A0 No DEC_CRT =A0 = >=A0 =A0 =A0 No DEC_CRT2 >> >> =A0 =A0No DEC_CRT3 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No DEC_CRT4 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No DEC_CR= >T5 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0No =A0 >> >> Ansi_Color >> >> =A0 =A0VMS Style Input =A0 =A0 Backspace >> >> >> I also tried from a W2K box using hypeterm and similar crap. >> >> > Tom, >> >> > Where are you trying to use the arrow-keys? =A0The menus at the MP are = >=A0 >> > entered >> > with, usually, two letter commands. =A0For example: CM, CO, CL, SL, etc= >.. =A0 >> > The >> > only place I recall the arrows working is in the COnsole menu. >> >> This was in the COnsole and the menus when presented, the items didn't = >=A0 >> appear >> on succeeding lines but kept overwriting itself. >> Anyway I am now anle to use the MP so screw it. >> >> -- >> PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > >Congats - it is a bit of a nuisance to get through. :) > >BTW, you do realize that the CO command from the MP puts you right >back into that same place you were having trouble with, right? :) > >You might need to run a VT100 emulator on a PC or something to get it >to clear up. Putty works really well over the MP network port. I use this thing called DECterm or a real term... take your pick from a VT220, VT510 or VT525. I have a real VT100 but that's stashed away for historical safekeeping. The MP port is connected to a terminal server port just like all of my other machines. There are services defined there which allow me to do a SET HOST/LAT to any machine's console. There's no need for a PeeCee and certainly no need for Weendoze. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:42:27 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:51:47 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > The MP port is connected to a terminal server port just like all of my > other machines. There are services defined there which allow me to do > a SET HOST/LAT to any machine's console. There's no need for a PeeCee > and certainly no need for Weendoze. Did you have to change anything on that port? I am using a Xyplex, but with telnet on non-routable,aliased IPs. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:40:59 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: <00A802BE.5610ECB5@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:51:47 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > >> The MP port is connected to a terminal server port just like all of my >> other machines. There are services defined there which allow me to do >> a SET HOST/LAT to any machine's console. There's no need for a PeeCee >> and certainly no need for Weendoze. > >Did you have to change anything on that port? I am using a Xyplex, but >with telnet on non-routable,aliased IPs. It all looks pretty plain-vanilla to me. Local> SHOW SERVICE RX2600_CONSOLE CHAR Service: RX2600_CONSOLE Identification: HP Integrity rx2600 console port Ports: 3 Rating: 90 Enabled Characteristics: Connections, Queue Local> SHOW PORT 3 Port 3: (Remote) Server: DS90TL1 Character Size: 8 Input Speed: 9600 Flow Control: XON Output Speed: 9600 Parity: None Signal Control: Disabled Stop Bits: Dynamic Access: Remote Local Switch: None Backwards Switch: None Name: PORT_3 Break: Disabled Session Limit: 4 Forwards Switch: None Type: Ansi Default Protocol: LAT Preferred Service: None Authorized Groups: 0 (Current) Groups: 0 Enabled Characteristics: Input Flow Control, Output Flow Control -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: PR Subject: Re: MP Solved WAS EFI Console Message-ID: On Sep 25, 2:51=A0pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1aabbc13-f2d0-46e1-806f-d341b74a4...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.= com>, PR writes: > > > > > > >On Sep 25, 1:13=3DA0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:16:19 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > >> > In article , "Tom Linden" =3DA0 > >> > writes: > >> >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:58:57 -0700, Tom Linden =3D > >=3DA0 > >> >> wrote: > > >> >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:42:20 -0700, forrret.ken...@hp.com_nospam > >> >>> wrote: > > >> >>>> =3DA0 =3DA0If there is power to the system you should get at leas= t on LE=3D > >D on > >> >>>> the LAB connector for the MP. =3DA0If there is no LED looks like = you > >> >>>> may have a non-functional Management Processor module. > > >> >>> I will check that when I get to the office. =3DA0I was referring t= o the=3D > > MP > >> >>> ethernet > >> >>> port. > > >> >>>> Forrest > > >> >> Turns out that the printed ribbon cable with the small connect > >> >> to the monitor board was loose. =3DA0Now I can see the MP. > > >> >> However, coming from the alpha over tta0 with set host/dte > >> >> the screen continually refreshes and the up down arrows down do > >> >> anything. > > >> >> Here are the TTA0 settings > > >> >> Terminal: _TTA0: =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Device_Type: Unknown =3DA0 =3DA0 = =3DA0 Owner: No=3D > > Owner > > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Input: =3DA0 =3DA09600 =3DA0 =3DA0 LFfill: =3DA00 =3DA0 = =3DA0 =3DA0Width: =3DA080=3D > > =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Parity: None > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Output: =3DA0 9600 =3DA0 =3DA0 CRfill: =3DA00 =3DA0 =3DA= 0 =3DA0Page: =3DA0 24 > > >> >> Terminal Characteristics: > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Interactive =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Echo =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA= 0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Typ=3D > >e_ahead =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No Escape > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Hostsync =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0TTsync =3DA0 =3DA0 = =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Lower=3D > >case =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No Tab > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Wrap =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Scope =3D= A0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3D > >=3DA0No Remote =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Eightbit > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Broadcast =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No Readsync =3DA0= =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No Form=3D > > =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Fulldup > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Modem =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No Local_echo =3D= A0 =3DA0 =3DA0Autobaud =3D > >=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No Hangup > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Brdcstmbx =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No DMA =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 = =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No Alty=3D > >peahd =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 Set_speed > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Commsync =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0Line Editing =3DA0 = =3DA0 =3DA0 Overstrike =3D > >editing No Fallback > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Dialup =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No Secure server = =3DA0 Disconnect =3D > >=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No Pasthru > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Syspassword =3DA0 =3DA0 No SIXEL Graphics =3DA0No Sof= t Characters =3D > >No Printer =3DA0 > >> >> Port > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0Numeric Keypad =3DA0 =3DA0 No ANSI_CRT =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0= =3DA0No Regis =3DA0 =3D > >=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No =3DA0 > >> >> Block_mode > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No Advanced_video =3DA0No Edit_mode =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No= DEC_CRT =3DA0 =3D > >=3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 No DEC_CRT2 > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0No DEC_CRT3 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No DEC_CRT4 =3DA0 =3D= A0 =3DA0 =3DA0No DEC_CR=3D > >T5 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0 =3DA0No =3DA0 > >> >> Ansi_Color > >> >> =3DA0 =3DA0VMS Style Input =3DA0 =3DA0 Backspace > > >> >> I also tried from a W2K box using hypeterm and similar crap. > > >> > Tom, > > >> > Where are you trying to use the arrow-keys? =3DA0The menus at the MP= are =3D > >=3DA0 > >> > entered > >> > with, usually, two letter commands. =3DA0For example: CM, CO, CL, SL= , etc=3D > >.. =3DA0 > >> > The > >> > only place I recall the arrows working is in the COnsole menu. > > >> This was in the COnsole and the menus when presented, the items didn't= =3D > >=3DA0 > >> appear > >> on succeeding lines but kept overwriting itself. > >> Anyway I am now anle to use the MP so screw it. > > >> -- > >> PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > >Congats - it is a bit of a nuisance to get through. :) > > >BTW, you do realize that the CO command from the MP puts you right > >back into that same place you were having trouble with, right? :) > > >You might need to run a VT100 emulator on a PC or something to get it > >to clear up. Putty works really well over the MP network port. > > I use this thing called DECterm or a real term... take your pick from > a VT220, VT510 or VT525. =A0I have a real VT100 but that's stashed away > for historical safekeeping. > > The MP port is connected to a terminal server port just like all of my > other machines. =A0There are services defined there which allow me to do > a SET HOST/LAT to any machine's console. =A0There's no need for a PeeCee > and certainly no need for Weendoze. =A0 > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= SIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= ction > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= right > notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That's good! Personally, I either use my Mac Laptop or a PC, over the network. Both of which are flexible enough to handle connecting and managing not only OpenVMS, but HP-UX, Linux, and even IA64 Windows. Different strokes for different folks- but Putty works.:) Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: New multibrowser exploit; VMS Mozilla or Mosaic may also be affected Message-ID: <40222745-a287-4ba9-9a9f-1467d3244893@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Its currently called "Clickjacking" and basically means if you end up on a compromised or malicious page, "you" can be forced to "click" on any link on that page without your intervention, and even without you seeing it happen. http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1972 Also a note from someone who works on NoScript for Firefox http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1973 Details are not disclosed, but its being described as very bad. All current major browsers are impacted (excluding Lynx!). Javascript is not involved. Until more details are released, or until a 'test site' is made available, there's no way to know for sure if Mozilla or Mosaic on VMS is affected. If it is... well I wonder how that long rumored Firefox port is coming along... ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 08 19:31:37 EDT From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: New multibrowser exploit; VMS Mozilla or Mosaic may also be affected Message-ID: In article <40222745-a287-4ba9-9a9f-1467d3244893@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: > Its currently called "Clickjacking" and basically means if you end up > on a compromised or malicious page, "you" can be forced to "click" on > any link on that page without your intervention, and even without you > seeing it happen. > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1972 > > Also a note from someone who works on NoScript for Firefox > > http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1973 > > > Details are not disclosed, but its being described as very bad. All > current major browsers are impacted (excluding Lynx!). Javascript is > not involved. > > Until more details are released, or until a 'test site' is made > available, there's no way to know for sure if Mozilla or Mosaic on VMS > is affected. If it is... well I wonder how that long rumored Firefox > port is coming along... VMS Mosaic doesn't support DHTML which appears to be a requirement for the exploits. Mosaic also doesn't support scripting or plugins. If Lynx is okay, then Mosaic should be okay unless there is some exploit involving refresh URLs (the only case where Mosaic "clicks" on its own). George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: RobbieH Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Oracle 10.2.0.4.0 Message-ID: On Sep 24, 10:21=A0pm, RobbieH wrote: > On Sep 24, 2:01=A0pm, "Syltrem" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > I've been told (a couple of weeks ago) by an Oracle support person that= OEM > > grid control for Itanium would be available last week... > > It was promised to me at least twice in the past year, so I hope this i= s > > true now. My feeling is that it will be, as they have a date, not just = an > > estimate. > > > As for 10.2.0.4 I don't know. I hope to get it soon too. > > > If you write to Kevin Duffy, can you post the answer here ? > > > Thanks > > Syltrem > > > wrote in message > > >news:fe2a785c-6541-4bf2-8bd1-8182138a32ed@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com..= . > > > > I've been told by Oracle that the terminal releasepatchset10.2.0.4.0 > > > will be available by the end of October AND that the Itanium 10.2 Gri= d > > > Control agent will be available in the next couple of weeks. Can > > > anyone confirm I'm not being spun the typical Oracle VMS yarn. I've > > > had these messages in the past but nothing ever emerges.- Hide quoted= text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What was interesting about the Grid Agent was that Oracle support said > that it was due to be uploaded to their website last weekend, but due > to a technical fault wasn't... this is probably cos they upgraded > metalink. I'll look at emailing this chap tomorrow.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Friends, exciting news! The grid control agent is available for download here : http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/oem/htdocs/agentsoft.htm= l Just waiting for the patchset and 11GR2 now as apparently they are skipping 11GR1 for OpenVMS due to "OpenVMS Customers reluctance to upgrade to the dot one version" I'm not sure thats true. So when's 11GR2 out...? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:26:20 -0500 From: Chris Scheers Subject: Re: Ordered media from hobbyist site but no action taken Message-ID: Joe Bloggs wrote: > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT), "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" > wrote: > >> Last Sunday evening I ordered the OpenVMS Alpha media from the >> Hobbyist website. It said my order was received and would arrive in >> several days. Nothing has happened since then. No transaction on my >> credit card has been posted. I emailed the website but have had >> no response. >> >> Anybody else having problems with the hobbyist site? >> >> Bill (aka VMS Mangler) > > if the site (or rather the site admins) is near Houston (Plano?) maybe > consider that most of the area had no power for > the last week or two, (Hurricane Ike) Plano is about 300 miles north of Houston. There should not be any Ike related power problems. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. Voice: 817-237-3360 Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com Fax: 817-237-3074 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:39:00 -0500 From: "Paulguy" Subject: Re: Ordered media from hobbyist site but no action taken Message-ID: "Chris Scheers" wrote in message news:eeUCk.1025$Rx.456@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com... > Joe Bloggs wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:10:05 -0700 (PDT), "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" > > wrote: > > > >> Last Sunday evening I ordered the OpenVMS Alpha media from the > >> Hobbyist website. It said my order was received and would arrive in > >> several days. Nothing has happened since then. No transaction on my > >> credit card has been posted. I emailed the website but have had > >> no response. > >> > >> Anybody else having problems with the hobbyist site? > >> > >> Bill (aka VMS Mangler) > > > > if the site (or rather the site admins) is near Houston (Plano?) maybe > > consider that most of the area had no power for > > the last week or two, (Hurricane Ike) > > Plano is about 300 miles north of Houston. There should not be any Ike > related power problems. Off Topic-ish: I went to the place a few years ago... Definately in Plano, North of Dallas! Clay Denton is a great guy, and at the time had a whole warehouse full of VAX goodies!!! :-) *Paul* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:08:57 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Ordered media from hobbyist site but no action taken Message-ID: <8660a3a10809252208m56e4ff49tff4f952b7e609bab@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_5935_33293425.1222405737541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, vmsmangler@earthlink.net < vmsmangler@earthlink.net> wrote: > Last Sunday evening I ordered the OpenVMS Alpha media from the > Hobbyist website. It said my order was received and would arrive in > several days. Nothing has happened since then. No transaction on my > credit card has been posted. I emailed the website but have had > no response. > > Anybody else having problems with the hobbyist site? > > Bill (aka VMS Mangler) > The guy who runs the site has a Real Job, too. If you don't get it soon, drop me a line- I'll contact him directly. WWWebb ------=_Part_5935_33293425.1222405737541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:10 PM, vmsmangler@earthlink.net <vmsmangler@earthlink.net> wrote:
Last Sunday evening I ordered the OpenVMS Alpha media from the
Hobbyist website. It said my order was received and would arrive in
several days. Nothing has happened since then. No transaction on my
credit card has been posted. I emailed the website but have had
no response.

Anybody else having problems with the hobbyist site?

Bill (aka VMS Mangler)

The guy who runs the site has a Real Job, too.
 
If you don't get it soon, drop me a line-  I'll contact him directly.
 
WWWebb
------=_Part_5935_33293425.1222405737541-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <8d847f92-1f04-47ed-a827-bae920245111@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 8:58=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <331ce77d-49f6-48a6-810a-69946005b...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups= .com>, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AEF writes: > > > > > On Sep 23, 12:42 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article , > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remo= ve CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > >> > In article <6js62cF4rf5...@mid.individual.net>, billg...@cs.uofs.edu > >> > (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > >> >> Yes, he did. =A0Mere days before sighting land. =A0And at a point w= here he > >> >> had actually travelled less than half the distance any educated per= son > >> >> of the time would have known it would take to reach the far east wh= ile > >> >> traveling in that direction. =A0Contrary to popular belief no educa= ted > >> >> person of the time aactually thought the earth was flat. =A0The anc= ient > >> >> greeks had determined it was round and had done a pretty good job o= f > >> >> computing it's circumferance. =A0So, based on the amount of rations > >> >> Columbus left Spain with and the knowledge he is known to have had > >> >> (and some he is suspected to have had) it becomes obvious that "The > >> >> Far East" was never his target because assuming an all sea route in= a > >> >> westerly direction, he left with insuffucient rations to make the t= rip. > > >> > Columbus used a smaller value for the circumference of the Earth tha= n > >> > the correct value, > > >> Smaller is an understatement as he missed it by more than 50%. =A0A > >> navigator who made mistakes like that would hardly have lasted as > >> long as he had or had a reputaion supposedly as good as his. > > >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0even though other folks a= t the time had something > >> > quite close to the correct value. > > >> At the time? =A0Try more than 1400 years earlier. > > > Why does this matter? > > >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0Was this intentional on his part to > >> > make his plans sound more realistic, or did he really believe in the > >> > smaller value? > > >> Or did he have pre-knowledge of the existence of the North and South > >> American (although obviously not under that name) continents and merel= y > >> bilked Ferdinand and Isabella into financing his boondogle to se what > >> was there!! > > > Or did he prefer dogs or cats? This is pure speculation. Maybe he did? > > Maybe not. Is there any evidence at all to make what you suspect > > plausible? > > The known existence of a map showing the coastline of north and south > america. =A0The fact that he obviously knew the true circumference of > the earth. =A0The fact that he took just enough supplies to reach that > destination and way too little to actully reach India by traveling west. > Looks kinda like simple math to add them =A0up. =A0You do realize that > Spain wasn't the first place asked to fiannce this boondogle. =A0Others, > refused. CBS refused Star Trek in favor of Lost in Space! > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = =A0Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton =A0 | > Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = =A0 So what great riches was he hoping to find in the Americas? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <55f75a65-61b0-48fd-ae0c-0553dfe582e4@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 7:22=A0am, Neil Rieck wrote: > On Sep 25, 3:53=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > > Question: > > > In the central Ontario town of Sudbury, there is some experiment that > > was installed deep in a mine to measure some of the smallest particles > > thrown at the earth by the sun. So those go thorugh not only the > > atmosphere, but also a large amount of ground/rocks and can still be > > detected. > > > In the case of the accerator, what happens when a proton that is highly > > charged and highly accelerated strays from the course and wants to > > escape the comfort of its vacuum tube ? > > > Does it just go where it wants, small enough to go through normal matte= r > > like metals, eventually slowing down and staying put ? Or would it caus= e > > =A0real/visible material damage on the stuff it tries to go through ? > > > In other words, when the japanese miniaturise this accelerator into a > > portable ray gun sold at ToysR Us, would firing such a gun at a > > politician cause the politican to notice ? Or would the protons just > > pass through the politician like butter ? > > JF. The experiment you are referring to is called SNO (Sudbury > Neutrino Experiment). One of the main objectives is to observe Soloar > neutrinos to find out why many of them are missing. (Neutrinos are > near-massless leptons with no electical charge). Stellar models tell > us that there should be many more of them than scientists have > actually detected. Before SNO, it was thought that neutrinos were > massless and travalled the speed of light. I'm a little surprised by, and skeptical, about this. I remember ca. 1992 (when I was doing physics at Ohio U.) there was some excitement about some experiments appearing to show that the mass of the neutrino was 17 keV. It was actually an artifact of a rather subtle error in the analysis. I also remember sometime between 1995 and 1990 (part of my graduate career) there was some discussion about whether it had mass or not. My gut feeling was that it did have a finite mass (finite in physics excludes zero). I thought about both photons and neutrinos having zero rest mass and it just didn't seem right. But I wasn't as certain as I was about the fifth force! (I was right about the fifth force!) Scientists at SNO have > postulated that neutrinos oscillate between three different neutino > flavors. If neutrinos travelled the speed of light, they would not > feel time and so would not be able to oscillate. But since they do > feel time, they must be travelling a little slower than the speed of > light. This means that they must have a little more mass than > previously thought. I never thought of it that way! That's an interesting viewpoint. Previously (not to say that either viewpoint is wrong) I always thought of it as by having 3 different masses, there'd be different de Broglie wavelengths and thus the overlap would allow "oscillation". This appears as a "mixing" (if I have the term right) of the flavors (electron, muon, tau) and the mass eigenstates. If I understand this right, each "neutrino" has an associated wave function and there are various probabilities as to which flavor will be observed for each. Isn't QM fun?! Actually, Wikipedia has an article entitled "Neutrino oscillations", so I'll stop here. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrinohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury= _Neutrino_Observatoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptons > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <2e491cf8-5d04-419f-81f4-13d339e98c3d@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 10:25=A0am, m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) wrote: > In article <43dfa11d-2dc0-4b89-8a01-02981f3fc...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups= .com>, > > AEF writes: > > Please elaborate. I'm not familiar with Desy but my quick glance at > > the wikipedia article for it I only saw one sentence about any applied > > science. The main purpose of the device was to do research in > > fundamental physics, without which there'd be no Desy. Please > > elaborate on your view, as I spent little time on this part. > > DESY started many decades ago as a german national lab for > high energy physics, much like CERN, but not as large. > They specialized on electron machines, the last one being > HERA, an electron/proton collider. This was kind of smart, > since electrons don't interact strongly, so the collision > is rather clean and one can probe the internal structure > of the proton quite well. In contrast to that, hadron collisions > produce all kinds of junk particles which are much harder to disentangle. > Sort of smashing two clockworks together and trying to figure out > from the debris how the clock worked originally. Yes, but you can learn other things from (p,p') scattering (this is the physicists' way of saying proton in, proton out). For example, you can measure neutron transition densities (which was my thesis work -- what a surprise!:) which tells you about nuclear structure, as the electrons are insensitive to neutrons. Different probes for different different stuff to be measured. > But smartness doesn't help much if one just needs "more bang", > and so it was decided that Germany is not rich enough to fund > both, a big chunk of CERN budget plus an own lab doing almost the > same research. > There was the proposition for TESLA, a 33km linear machine, > with an attached applied research lab as a fig leaf. > But that was canned, and what remained is the fig leaf, XFEL, > a free electron laser lab for synchrotron radiation and X-ray laser > studies. I think this was a wise move. Of course high energy > physicists would beg to differ. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <95b0f98a-f26d-4ad6-af3b-68220c26c41e@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 11:26=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes: > > > In article <43dfa11d-2dc0-4b89-8a01-02981f3fc...@k13g2000hse.googlegrou= ps.com>, > > AEF writes: > > >> Yes, politics is involved. So? What could CERN have promised that they > >> didn't already do year after year? Some people, me included, think > >> basic research is important not only for possible -- perhaps even > >> likely -- application later, but as a noble cause in continuing to > >> learn more about how our world works. Back to fraud: Can you give some > >> specific examples? Did CERN promise to cure all cancers? Did they > >> promise a Star Trek-like world? Paradise? A successor to Teflon? > >> What? > > > Fraud is a bit strong. But a good amount of dishonesty is almost always > > connected with expensive big science. > > Not just big science, unfortunately. =A0Like the school in Maryland who > shall remain anonymous who got a decent sized grant from the Feds for > Socio/Biological research. =A0They spent the money elsewhere, faked all > the numbers and created a report that contained what they thought the > Feds wantred to hear anyway. =A0A real good example of the current int- > erpretation of "the scientific method"!! > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = =A0Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton =A0 | > Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = =A0 No, those are crooks posing as scientists, if it's as you say. Most science is not like that. And I really don't think the LHC is anything like that. If you think the LHC is too expensive to be worth it, fine. But I fail to see why you (seem to, anyway) denigrate all science. You want a boondoggle? Look at the International Space Station. As I said before, even Sky and Telescope wrote that it was a total waste of money and thought a small fraction of that would have been far better spent on the Supercolliding Superconductor (or whatever it was called). And let me further add that I remember seeing an Op-ed article with a similar point of view. It discussed some of the experiments measuring the effects of zero-gravity: slime mold -- it thrived! (what a surprise!). Fish -- they were confused (another big surprise). Many, if not most, space scientists greatly prefer unmanned probes over sending men and women into space. The costs are far less and the science is much better and more voluminous (for lack of a better word and phrasing!). AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <18004ab4-1ea7-42e8-a8c7-f200def5cad8@l43g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 1:09=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > > > > In article , m.krae...@gsi.de > > (Michael Kraemer) writes: > > >> In article <43dfa11d-2dc0-4b89-8a01-02981f3fc...@k13g2000hse.googlegro= ups.com>, > >> AEF writes: > >>> Yes, politics is involved. So? What could CERN have promised that the= y > >>> didn't already do year after year? Some people, me included, think > >>> basic research is important not only for possible -- perhaps even > >>> likely -- application later, but as a noble cause in continuing to > >>> learn more about how our world works. Back to fraud: Can you give som= e > >>> specific examples? Did CERN promise to cure all cancers? Did they > >>> promise a Star Trek-like world? Paradise? A successor to Teflon? > >>> What? > >> Fraud is a bit strong. But a good amount of dishonesty is almost alway= s > >> connected with expensive big science. For example, what I hear is > >> they touted how the fall-out of their machine would help to improve > >> radiotherapy (I believe through superconducting magnets, but could be = wrong). > >> Now this is complete nonsense. Most of such developments have forked > >> off long ago, and are much better pursued in small labs or even in ind= ustry. > >> Anyway, a good chunk of development costs of medical equipment is not > >> the scientific part, but legal certification for FDA or CE. > > >> So if people higher up think it is important to spend billions > >> on big bang (or to send a couple of guys to moon or mars, another > >> questionable sink of money), well, than be it. But stop finding fig le= af > >> excuses for spending the money. > > > Alan's and my point exactly. =A0On the other hand, the rules are dictat= ed > > by politics. =A0There is a fixed amount of money, and there is > > competition. =A0If the other guys are exaggerating.... > > > Having said that, I think the claims that, say, stem-cell research will > > lead to cures for cancer, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, > > muscular distrophy, multiple sclerosis, ALS etc are even more > > exaggerated than particle-physics claims. > > > Men on the Moon? =A0That was almost entirely politically motivated. > > > What most people don't understand is that the whole point of basic > > research is that one really doesn't know what will come out of it. =A0 > > That's the whole point. =A0As Robert Pirsig noted, the television-serie= s > > scientist who says "Our experiment is a failure; we didn't achieve what > > we had hoped for." is suffering mainly from a bad script writer; if one > > knows the result of an experiment beforehand, there is no point in doin= g > > the experiment. > > Tell that to my chemistry and physics teachers!! Those aren't experiments. They are quasi-futile efforts to demonstrate known facts using inadequate, antiquated equipment without enough time to do it right. They are not really "experiments" and they should be called such. Well, in the better cases they can offer lab experience. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <73037561-8a41-4392-83db-84039ab10e04@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, AEF wrote: > On Sep 25, 11:26 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > > > > In article , > > m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes: > > > > In article <43dfa11d-2dc0-4b89-8a01-02981f3fc...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > > AEF writes: > > > >> Yes, politics is involved. So? What could CERN have promised that they > > >> didn't already do year after year? Some people, me included, think > > >> basic research is important not only for possible -- perhaps even > > >> likely -- application later, but as a noble cause in continuing to > > >> learn more about how our world works. Back to fraud: Can you give some > > >> specific examples? Did CERN promise to cure all cancers? Did they > > >> promise a Star Trek-like world? Paradise? A successor to Teflon? > > >> What? > > > > Fraud is a bit strong. But a good amount of dishonesty is almost always > > > connected with expensive big science. > > > Not just big science, unfortunately. Like the school in Maryland who > > shall remain anonymous who got a decent sized grant from the Feds for > > Socio/Biological research. They spent the money elsewhere, faked all > > the numbers and created a report that contained what they thought the > > Feds wantred to hear anyway. A real good example of the current int- > > erpretation of "the scientific method"!! > > > bill > > > -- > > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > > University of Scranton | > > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include > > No, those are crooks posing as scientists, if it's as you say. Most > science is not like that. And I really don't think the LHC is anything > like that. > > If you think the LHC is too expensive to be worth it, fine. But I fail > to see why you (seem to, anyway) denigrate all science. > > You want a boondoggle? Look at the International Space Station. As I > said before, even Sky and Telescope wrote that it was a total waste of > money and thought a small fraction of that would have been far better > spent on the Supercolliding Superconductor (or whatever it was Oh crap. I didn't proofread carefully enough. Haste makes waste! I meant the Superconducting Supercollider (SSC IIRC) > called). And let me further add that I remember seeing an Op-ed > article with a similar point of view. It discussed some of the > experiments measuring the effects of zero-gravity: slime mold -- it > thrived! (what a surprise!). Fish -- they were confused (another big > surprise). Many, if not most, space scientists greatly prefer unmanned > probes over sending men and women into space. The costs are far less > and the science is much better and more voluminous (for lack of a > better word and phrasing!). Uh, you can get a lot more science from unmanned probes, though the moon rocks were rather useful, but expensive. Also, Hubble was worth it, IMO. But going to the moon is expensive and we already have some moon rocks. Going further to Mars? Talk about expensive! (And that leaves out all the other major obstacles and risk.) > > AEF AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <895a2640-b524-4da2-8ab9-564511541f6c@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 6:47 pm, AEF wrote: > On Sep 25, 1:09 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > > > > > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > > > In article , m.krae...@gsi.de > > > (Michael Kraemer) writes: > > > >> In article <43dfa11d-2dc0-4b89-8a01-02981f3fc...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > >> AEF writes: > > >>> Yes, politics is involved. So? What could CERN have promised that they > > >>> didn't already do year after year? Some people, me included, think > > >>> basic research is important not only for possible -- perhaps even > > >>> likely -- application later, but as a noble cause in continuing to > > >>> learn more about how our world works. Back to fraud: Can you give some > > >>> specific examples? Did CERN promise to cure all cancers? Did they > > >>> promise a Star Trek-like world? Paradise? A successor to Teflon? > > >>> What? > > >> Fraud is a bit strong. But a good amount of dishonesty is almost always > > >> connected with expensive big science. For example, what I hear is > > >> they touted how the fall-out of their machine would help to improve > > >> radiotherapy (I believe through superconducting magnets, but could be wrong). > > >> Now this is complete nonsense. Most of such developments have forked > > >> off long ago, and are much better pursued in small labs or even in industry. > > >> Anyway, a good chunk of development costs of medical equipment is not > > >> the scientific part, but legal certification for FDA or CE. > > > >> So if people higher up think it is important to spend billions > > >> on big bang (or to send a couple of guys to moon or mars, another > > >> questionable sink of money), well, than be it. But stop finding fig leaf > > >> excuses for spending the money. > > > > Alan's and my point exactly. On the other hand, the rules are dictated > > > by politics. There is a fixed amount of money, and there is > > > competition. If the other guys are exaggerating.... > > > > Having said that, I think the claims that, say, stem-cell research will > > > lead to cures for cancer, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's disease, > > > muscular distrophy, multiple sclerosis, ALS etc are even more > > > exaggerated than particle-physics claims. > > > > Men on the Moon? That was almost entirely politically motivated. > > > > What most people don't understand is that the whole point of basic > > > research is that one really doesn't know what will come out of it. > > > That's the whole point. As Robert Pirsig noted, the television-series > > > scientist who says "Our experiment is a failure; we didn't achieve what > > > we had hoped for." is suffering mainly from a bad script writer; if one > > > knows the result of an experiment beforehand, there is no point in doing > > > the experiment. > > > Tell that to my chemistry and physics teachers!! > > Those aren't experiments. They are quasi-futile efforts to demonstrate > known facts using inadequate, antiquated equipment without enough time > to do it right. They are not really "experiments" and they should be > called such. Well, in the better cases they can offer lab experience. They should not be called experiments per se, i.e. > > AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: The end of the world in roughly 3 hours Message-ID: <819a4faf-27ee-4b82-9aa8-3ff27140e07e@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Sep 25, 6:29 pm, AEF wrote: > On Sep 25, 7:22 am, Neil Rieck wrote: > > > > > On Sep 25, 3:53 am, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > Question: > > > > In the central Ontario town of Sudbury, there is some experiment that > > > was installed deep in a mine to measure some of the smallest particles > > > thrown at the earth by the sun. So those go thorugh not only the > > > atmosphere, but also a large amount of ground/rocks and can still be > > > detected. > > > > In the case of the accerator, what happens when a proton that is highly > > > charged and highly accelerated strays from the course and wants to > > > escape the comfort of its vacuum tube ? > > > > Does it just go where it wants, small enough to go through normal matter > > > like metals, eventually slowing down and staying put ? Or would it cause > > > real/visible material damage on the stuff it tries to go through ? > > > > In other words, when the japanese miniaturise this accelerator into a > > > portable ray gun sold at ToysR Us, would firing such a gun at a > > > politician cause the politican to notice ? Or would the protons just > > > pass through the politician like butter ? > > > JF. The experiment you are referring to is called SNO (Sudbury > > Neutrino Experiment). One of the main objectives is to observe Soloar > > neutrinos to find out why many of them are missing. (Neutrinos are > > near-massless leptons with no electical charge). Stellar models tell > > us that there should be many more of them than scientists have > > actually detected. Before SNO, it was thought that neutrinos were > > massless and travalled the speed of light. > > I'm a little surprised by, and skeptical, about this. I remember ca. > 1992 (when I was doing physics at Ohio U.) there was some excitement > about some experiments appearing to show that the mass of the neutrino > was 17 keV. It was actually an artifact of a rather subtle error in > the analysis. I also remember sometime between 1995 and 1990 (part of Make that 1985 and 1990. > my graduate career) there was some discussion about whether it had > mass or not. My gut feeling was that it did have a finite mass (finite > in physics excludes zero). I thought about both photons and neutrinos > having zero rest mass and it just didn't seem right. But I wasn't as > certain as I was about the fifth force! (I was right about the fifth > force!) > > Scientists at SNO have > > > postulated that neutrinos oscillate between three different neutino > > flavors. If neutrinos travelled the speed of light, they would not > > feel time and so would not be able to oscillate. But since they do > > feel time, they must be travelling a little slower than the speed of > > light. This means that they must have a little more mass than > > previously thought. > > I never thought of it that way! That's an interesting viewpoint. > Previously (not to say that either viewpoint is wrong) I always > thought of it as by having 3 different masses, there'd be different de > Broglie wavelengths and thus the overlap would allow "oscillation". > This appears as a "mixing" (if I have the term right) of the flavors > (electron, muon, tau) and the mass eigenstates. If I understand this > right, each "neutrino" has an associated wave function and there are > various probabilities as to which flavor will be observed for each. > Isn't QM fun?! Actually, Wikipedia has an article entitled "Neutrino > oscillations", so I'll stop here. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrinohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sud... > > > Neil Rieck > > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <147c1142-726e-4d89-9389-8f96394f0a17@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On 25 sep, 17:20, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > Out of curiosity, what versions of SSH are supported by VMS's various > IP stacks? =A0I hope everyone here knows that Version 1 should always > be disabled. > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = =A0Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton =A0 | > Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = =A0 OK, I'll admit my ignorance :-) I thought I had just one problem after upgrading to TCPIP V5.7, apparently I've got (at least) two... 1) I can no longer use PuTTY in SSH mode after the upgrade 2) how do I disable Version 1? Hans ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 2008 19:19:06 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <6k26haF5o7moU1@mid.individual.net> In article <147c1142-726e-4d89-9389-8f96394f0a17@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, H Vlems writes: > On 25 sep, 17:20, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> Out of curiosity, what versions of SSH are supported by VMS's various >> IP stacks?  I hope everyone here knows that Version 1 should always >> be disabled. >> > OK, I'll admit my ignorance :-) I thought I had just one problem after > upgrading to TCPIP V5.7, > apparently I've got (at least) two... > 1) I can no longer use PuTTY in SSH mode after the upgrade > 2) how do I disable Version 1? Asking the wrong person. I have never used SSH on VMS which is why I asked the question. What I do no is there are serious holes in SSH Version 1 and the fix is not patching SSH Version 1 it is abandoning it and only using SSH Version 2. Many systems (PUTTY included) support both and come with both enabled. If you have Version 1 enabled, even if you never use it, someone else might use it to attack your system. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:58:08 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <00A802AF.F7912D00@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <147c1142-726e-4d89-9389-8f96394f0a17@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, H Vlems writes: >On 25 sep, 17:20, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> Out of curiosity, what versions of SSH are supported by VMS's various >> IP stacks? =A0I hope everyone here knows that Version 1 should always >> be disabled. >> >> bill >> >> -- >> Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = >=A0Three wolves >> billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >> University of Scranton =A0 | >> Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = >=A0 > >OK, I'll admit my ignorance :-) I thought I had just one problem after >upgrading to TCPIP V5.7, >apparently I've got (at least) two... >1) I can no longer use PuTTY in SSH mode after the upgrade >2) how do I disable Version 1? >Hans Is it that stupid "Google Groups" interface? I'm getting nauseous reading through all of the quoted-pukeable vomit that's been 'emeted' here lately. Please get a NEWSREADER and configure it properly to output TEXT. Thanks! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:19:56 -0700 From: Alan Frisbie Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: Peter Weaver wrote: > $! To control the purging of .LOG files edit SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SSH_RUN.COM > $! I have modified SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SSH_RUN.COM to keep any log created in > $! the past 14 days. Since the default is /Keep=5, this is very important if you want this procedure to work as intended. I just changed mine to /Keep=50 Also, if you have had your system connected to the Internet for a while, you will find that the log files have topped out at version 32767 and no new ones are being created. Time to delete them all and start over. Another thing to note when using this procedure (as I have learned in the last two days) is that the script kiddies will fire off five or ten simultaneous SSH threads. Thus, you will have five or ten log files with no records in them yet. Given that each one gives them three attempts to guess the password, you will get a lot of alarms before the rate limiting kicks in. But when those log files are closed/flushed, boy do they hit a brick wall! :-) I changed mine from a linear increase to an exponential increase (limited by integer DCL arithmetic): $ seconds = number_of_times * (number_of_times / 2) At first I left off the "/2", but decided that was a bit *too* aggressive. :-) All in all, I am very happy with this procedure! Now I just wish for a similar one for FTP. Thanks, Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike R Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: On Sep 25, 10:19=A0pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <147c1142-726e-4d89-9389-8f96394f0...@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups= .com>, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 H Vlems writes: > > > On 25 sep, 17:20, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, what versions of SSH are supported by VMS's various > >> IP stacks? =A0I hope everyone here knows that Version 1 should always > >> be disabled. > > > OK, I'll admit my ignorance :-) I thought I had just one problem after > > upgrading to TCPIP V5.7, > > apparently I've got (at least) two... > > 1) I can no longer use PuTTY in SSH mode after the upgrade > > 2) how do I disable Version 1? > > Asking the wrong person. =A0I have never used SSH on VMS which is why I a= sked > the question. =A0What I do no is there are serious holes in SSH Version 1= and > the fix is not patching SSH Version 1 it is abandoning it and only using > SSH Version 2. =A0Many systems (PUTTY included) support both and come wit= h > both enabled. =A0If you have Version 1 enabled, even if you never use it, > someone else might use it to attack your system. =A0 > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| =A0de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. = =A0Three wolves > billg...@cs.scranton.edu | =A0and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton =A0 | > Scranton, Pennsylvania =A0 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 #include = =A0 See Section 3.10.1 of TCPIP Release notes for V5.6 CERT-2001-35 OpenVMS is not vulnerable. Affects SSH Version 1 only, which is not supported. Could not find any mention in the V5.4 Release notes Mike http://alpha.mike-r.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:10:30 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 v. zx2000: [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK Message-ID: <08092515103001_20202860@antinode.info> Anyone have any ideas on this one? IT $ tcpip show vers HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 - ECO 2 on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 IT $ prod inst VMS831H1I_UPDATE Performing product kit validation of signed kits ... %PCSI-I-VALPASSED, validation of IT$DKA100:[patch.v8r3s1h1]HP-I64VMS-VMS831H1I_U PDATE-V0200--4.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 succeeded The following product has been selected: HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 Patch (remedial update) [...] Execution phase starting ... The following product will be installed to destination: HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 DISK$VMS083IT:[VMS$COMMON.] Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90% %EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]FLAG_IPB. EXE %EFI-I-COPIED, copied PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]IPB.EXE to FS0:\efi\vms\ %EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CHECK_IPB EXE %EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\VMS_LOADER.EFI to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CH ECK_VMS_LOADER.EFI * INSTALLATION FAILURE * The checksum comparison between provided files and the updated [SYS$$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK. DO NOT DELETE this file Contact your HP Services representative with a pointer to this file for assistance in resolving this problem. Installation Aborting *** WARNING *** Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed. All changes made by this kit are being backed out and the system returned to its pre-kit installation state. %PCSI-E-S_CPCAN, command procedure from kit requested unconditional termination Recovery pass starting ... Recovery pass concluded %PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition Being a peon, I'm not sure how I should "Contact [my] HP Services representative", but I'm open to suggestions. Don't these things get tested on unsupported systems nowadays? IT $ dg SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$LDR]*SYS$EFI* Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] DO_NOT_DELETE_ADDENDUM-V0100_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 260190 19-JAN-2008 22:55:11.55 (RWED,RWED,RE,) DO_NOT_DELETE_UPDATE-V0200_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 260190 25-SEP-2008 14:55:23.99 (RWED,RWED,RE,) SYS$EFI.SYS;1 256000 18-JAN-2008 07:56:37.04 (RWED,RWED,RE,) UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 260190 25-SEP-2008 15:06:35.71 (RWED,RWED,RE,) Total of 4 files, 1036570 blocks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:33:25 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 v. zx2000: [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > Don't these things get tested on unsupported systems nowadays? On *un*-supported systems ? Have they ever been ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:42:05 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 v. zx2000: [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK Message-ID: <00A8029C.F5EB919D@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article <08092515103001_20202860@antinode.info>, sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > Anyone have any ideas on this one? > Yup. Install Update 1 first. (I just got email from the openvms.org patch list about this, but I didn't save it since I'd already had a successful install of update 2. There's some specific thing in Update 1 that you could install by itself, but I forget what it is.) -- Alan >IT $ tcpip show vers > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 - ECO 2 > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 > >IT $ prod inst VMS831H1I_UPDATE > >Performing product kit validation of signed kits ... >%PCSI-I-VALPASSED, validation of IT$DKA100:[patch.v8r3s1h1]HP-I64VMS-VMS831H1I_U >PDATE-V0200--4.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 succeeded > >The following product has been selected: > HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 Patch (remedial update) >[...] >Execution phase starting ... > >The following product will be installed to destination: > HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 DISK$VMS083IT:[VMS$COMMON.] > >Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90% >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]FLAG_IPB. >EXE >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]IPB.EXE to FS0:\efi\vms\ >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CHECK_IPB >EXE >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\VMS_LOADER.EFI to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CH >ECK_VMS_LOADER.EFI > >* INSTALLATION FAILURE * > >The checksum comparison between provided files and the >updated [SYS$$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the >failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to >[SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK. DO NOT DELETE this file >Contact your HP Services representative with a pointer to this >file for assistance in resolving this problem. > >Installation Aborting > > > *** WARNING *** > >Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed. All >changes made by this kit are being backed out and the system >returned to its pre-kit installation state. > >%PCSI-E-S_CPCAN, command procedure from kit requested unconditional >termination > >Recovery pass starting ... > > >Recovery pass concluded > >%PCSI-E-S_OPFAIL, operation failed >%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error condition > > > Being a peon, I'm not sure how I should "Contact [my] HP Services >representative", but I'm open to suggestions. > > Don't these things get tested on unsupported systems nowadays? > > >IT $ dg SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$LDR]*SYS$EFI* > >Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] > >DO_NOT_DELETE_ADDENDUM-V0100_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 > 260190 19-JAN-2008 22:55:11.55 (RWED,RWED,RE,) >DO_NOT_DELETE_UPDATE-V0200_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 > 260190 25-SEP-2008 14:55:23.99 (RWED,RWED,RE,) >SYS$EFI.SYS;1 256000 18-JAN-2008 07:56:37.04 (RWED,RWED,RE,) >UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK;1 > 260190 25-SEP-2008 15:06:35.71 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > >Total of 4 files, 1036570 blocks. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:53:19 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 v. zx2000: [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0072B81F852574CF_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the record (we never throw anything away unless we need it): winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)=20 wrote on 09/25/2008 04:42:05 PM: > In article <08092515103001=5F20202860@antinode.info>, sms@antinode. > info (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > > Anyone have any ideas on this one? > > >=20 > Yup. Install Update 1 first. (I just got email from the=20 openvms.orgpatch list > about this, but I didn't save it since I'd already had a successful=20 install of > update 2. There's some specific thing in Update 1 that you could=20 install by > itself, but I forget what it is.) >=20 > -- Alan SUPPORT COMMUNICATION - CUSTOMER ADVISORY Document ID: c01564219 Version: 1 VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 EFI Installation Error NOTICE: The information in this document, including=20 products and software versions, is current as of the=20 Release Date. This document is subject to change without=20 notice. Release Date: 2008-09-25 Last Updated: 2008-09-25 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F DESCRIPTION During installation of the VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 patch=20 kit some users may see the following installation error: * INSTALLATION FAILURE * The checksum comparison between provided files and the=20 updated [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the=20 failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to=20 [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK. DO NOT DELETE this=20 file. Contact your HP Services representative with a=20 pointer to this file for assistance in resolving this=20 problem. Installation Aborting *** WARNING *** Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed.=20 All changes made by this kit are being backed out and the=20 system returned to its pre-kit installation state. SCOPE This error will be seen by users who have not previously=20 installed the VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 or=20 VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0100 patch kit. RESOLUTION In order to install the VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 patch kit,=20 users who have not previously installed the=20 VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 or VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0100 patch kits=20 must first install the VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 patch kit. The=20 VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 kit can then be installed=20 successfully. This problem will be corrected in the=20 VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0300 patch kit scheduled for December,=20 2008 release. Downloadable Solutions Product Number Downloadable File Location VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0100 VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200.ZIPEXE ITRC=20 Patch Download Site =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Hardware Platforms Affected: Not Applicable Operating Systems Affected: HP OpenVMS Operating Systems Software Affected: Not Applicable Third Party Products Affected: Not Applicable Support Communication Cross Reference ID: IA01564219 =A9Copyright 2008 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. Hewlett-Packard Company shall not be liable for technical=20 or editorial errors or omissions contained herein. The=20 information provided is provided "as is" without warranty=20 of any kind. To the extent permitted by law, neither HP or=20 its affiliates, subcontractors or suppliers will be liable=20 for incidental, special or consequential damages including=20 downtime cost; lost profits; damages relating to the=20 procurement of substitute products or services; or damages=20 for loss of data, or software restoration. The information=20 in this document is subject to change without notice.=20 Hewlett-Packard Company and the names of Hewlett-Packard=20 products referenced herein are trademarks of=20 Hewlett-Packard Company in the United States and other=20 countries. Other product and company names mentioned=20 herein may be trademarks of their respective owners. >=20 >=20 > >IT $ tcpip show vers > > > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 -=20 ECO 2 > > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 > > > >IT $ prod inst VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE > > > >Performing product kit validation of signed kits ... > >%PCSI-I-VALPASSED, validation of IT$DKA100:[patch.v8r3s1h1]HP- > I64VMS-VMS831H1I=5FU > >PDATE-V0200--4.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 succeeded > > > >The following product has been selected: > > HP I64VMS VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE V2.0 Patch (remedial update) > >[...] > >Execution phase starting ... > > > >The following product will be installed to destination: > > HP I64VMS VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE V2.0 DISK$VMS083IT:[VMS$COMMON.] > > > >Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90% > >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION: > [SYSEXE]FLAG=5FIPB. > >EXE > >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]IPB.EXE to FS0:\efi\vms\ > >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION: > [SYSEXE]CHECK=5FIPB > >EXE > >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\VMS=5FLOADER.EFI to=20 > PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CH > >ECK=5FVMS=5FLOADER.EFI > > > >* INSTALLATION FAILURE * > > > >The checksum comparison between provided files and the > >updated [SYS$$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the > >failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to > >[SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK. DO NOT DELETE this file > >Contact your HP Services representative with a pointer to this > >file for assistance in resolving this problem. > > > >Installation Aborting > > > > > > *** WARNING *** > > > >Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed. All > >changes made by this kit are being backed out and the system > >returned to its pre-kit installation state. > > > >%PCSI-E-S=5FCPCAN, command procedure from kit requested unconditional > >termination > > > >Recovery pass starting ... > > > > > >Recovery pass concluded > > > >%PCSI-E-S=5FOPFAIL, operation failed > >%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable=20 errorcondition > > > > > > Being a peon, I'm not sure how I should "Contact [my] HP Services > >representative", but I'm open to suggestions. > > > > Don't these things get tested on unsupported systems nowadays? > > > > > >IT $ dg SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$LDR]*SYS$EFI* > > > >Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR] > > > >DO=5FNOT=5FDELETE=5FADDENDUM-V0100=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1 > > 260190 19-JAN-2008 22:55:11.55 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > >DO=5FNOT=5FDELETE=5FUPDATE-V0200=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1 > > 260190 25-SEP-2008 14:55:23.99 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > >SYS$EFI.SYS;1 256000 18-JAN-2008 07:56:37.04 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > >UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1 > > 260190 25-SEP-2008 15:06:35.71 (RWED,RWED,RE,) > > > >Total of 4 files, 1036570 blocks. > > >=20 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 --=_alternative 0072B81F852574CF_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the record (we never throw anyth= ing away unless we need it):

winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote on 09/25/2008 04:42:05 PM:

> In article <08092515103001=5F20202860@antinode.info>, sms@antino= de.
> info (Steven M. Schweda) writes:
> >   Anyone have any ideas on this one?
> >
>
> Yup. Install Update 1 first.  (I just got email from the openvms.= orgpatch list
> about this, but I didn't save it since I'd already had a successful install of
> update 2.  There's some specific thing in Update 1 that you could install by
> itself, but I forget what it is.)
>
> -- Alan
SUPPORT COMMUNICATION - CUSTOMER ADVISORY
Document ID: c01564219
Version: 1
VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 EFI Installation Error
NOTICE: The information in this document, including
products and software versions, is current as of the
Release Date. This document is subject to change without
notice.
Release Date: 2008-09-25
Last Updated: 2008-09-25
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
DESCRIPTION

During installation of the VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 patch
kit some users may see the following installation error:
* INSTALLATION FAILURE *
The checksum comparison between provided files and the
updated [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the
failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to
[SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK. DO NOT DELETE this
file. Contact your HP Services representative with a
pointer to this file for assistance in resolving this
problem. Installation Aborting
*** WARNING ***
Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed.
All changes made by this kit are being backed out and the
system returned to its pre-kit installation state.

SCOPE
This error will be seen by users who have not previously
installed the VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 or
VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0100 patch kit.

RESOLUTION
In order to install the VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 patch kit,
users who have not previously installed the
VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 or VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0100 patch kits
must first install the VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200 patch kit. The
VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0200 kit can then be installed
successfully.
This problem will be corrected in the
VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE-V0300 patch kit scheduled for December,
2008 release.

Downloadable Solutions
Product Number                 Downloadable File                 Location
VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0100                  VMS831H1I=5FIPB-V0200.ZIPEXE                  ITRC
Patch Download Site

=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
Hardware Platforms Affected: Not Applicable
Operating Systems Affected: HP OpenVMS Operating Systems
Software Affected: Not Applicable
Third Party Products Affected: Not Applicable
Support Communication Cross Reference ID: IA01564219

=A9Copyright 2008 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P.
Hewlett-Packard Company shall not be liable for technical
or editorial errors or omissions contained herein. The
information provided is provided "as is" without warranty
of any kind. To the extent permitted by law, neither HP or
its affiliates, subcontractors or suppliers will be liable
for incidental, special or consequential damages including
downtime cost; lost profits; damages relating to the
procurement of substitute products or services; or damages
for loss of data, or software restoration. The information
in this document is subject to change without notice.
Hewlett-Packard Company and the names of Hewlett-Packard
products referenced herein are trademarks of
Hewlett-Packard Company in the United States and other
countries. Other product and company names mentioned
herein may be trademarks of their respective owners.

>
>
> >IT $ tcpip show vers
> >
> >  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 - ECO 2
> >  on an HP zx2000  (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3-1= H1
> >
> >IT $ prod inst VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE
> >
> >Performing product kit validation of signed kits ...
> >%PCSI-I-VALPASSED, validation of IT$DKA100:[patch.v8r3s1h1]HP-
> I64VMS-VMS831H1I=5FU
> >PDATE-V0200--4.PCSI$COMPRESSED;1 succeeded
> >
> >The following product has been selected:
> >    HP I64VMS VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE V2.0     &nbs= p;  Patch (remedial update)
> >[...]
> >Execution phase starting ...
> >
> >The following product will be installed to destination:
> >    HP I64VMS VMS831H1I=5FUPDATE V2.0     &nbs= p;  DISK$VMS083IT:[VMS$COMMON.]
> >
> >Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%..= 90%
> >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:
> [SYSEXE]FLAG=5FIPB.
> >EXE
> >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]IPB.EXE to FS0:\efi= \vms\
> >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\IPB.EXE to PCSI$DESTINATION:
> [SYSEXE]CHECK=5FIPB
> >EXE
> >%EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\VMS=5FLOADER.EFI to
> PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CH
> >ECK=5FVMS=5FLOADER.EFI
> >
> >* INSTALLATION FAILURE *
> >
> >The checksum comparison between provided files and the
> >updated [SYS$$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS has failed. A copy of the
> >failed SYS$EFI.SYS has been copied to
> >[SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK.  DO NOT DELETE th= is file
> >Contact your HP Services representative with a pointer to this
> >file for assistance in resolving this problem.
> >
> >Installation Aborting
> >
> >
> >                *** WARNING ***
> >
> >Update of the [SYS$LDR]SYS$EFI.SYS partition has failed.  All=
> >changes made by this kit are being backed out and the system
> >returned to its pre-kit installation state.
> >
> >%PCSI-E-S=5FCPCAN, command procedure from kit requested unconditio= nal
> >termination
> >
> >Recovery pass starting ...
> >
> >
> >Recovery pass concluded
> >
> >%PCSI-E-S=5FOPFAIL, operation failed
> >%PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable errorcondition
> >
> >
> >   Being a peon, I'm not sure how I should "Contact [my] HP Services
> >representative", but I'm open to suggestions.
> >
> >   Don't these things get tested on unsupported systems nowad= ays?
> >
> >
> >IT $ dg SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$LDR]*SYS$EFI*
> >
> >Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]
> >
> >DO=5FNOT=5FDELETE=5FADDENDUM-V0100=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1
> >                       260190  19-JAN-2008 22:55:11.55  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
> >DO=5FNOT=5FDELETE=5FUPDATE-V0200=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1
> >                       260190  25-SEP-2008 14:55:23.99  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
> >SYS$EFI.SYS;1          256000  18-JA= N-2008 07:56:37.04  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
> >UPDATE-V0200=5FFAIL=5FSYS$EFI.BAK;1
> >                       260190  25-SEP-2008 15:06:35.71  (RWED,RWED,RE,)
> >
> >Total of 4 files, 1036570 blocks.
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------= ------
> >
> >   Steven M. Schweda               sms@antinode-info
> >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 651-699-9818
> >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547
 --=_alternative 0072B81F852574CF_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:03:18 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 v. zx2000: [SYS$LDR]UPDATE-V0200_FAIL_SYS$EFI.BAK Message-ID: <08092516031825_20202860@antinode.info> From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) > In article <08092515103001_20202860@antinode.info>, sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) writes: > > Anyone have any ideas on this one? > > > > Yup. Install Update 1 first. (I just got email from the openvms.org patch list > about this, but I didn't save it since I'd already had a successful install of > update 2. There's some specific thing in Update 1 that you could install by > itself, but I forget what it is.) Ah. Thanks. I see now that the details are all laid out in an ITRC thread which I had ignored. http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1271451 VMS831H1I_IPB seems to do the trick. I suppose that the lesson here is to read _all_ the junk on the ITRC forum, not only the interesting junk. [...] %EFI-I-COPIED, copied FS0:\efi\vms\VMS_LOADER.EFI to PCSI$DESTINATION:[SYSEXE]CH ..100%_LOADER.EFI [Nice message formatting, by the way.] The following product has been installed (and a recovery data set created): HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0 Patch (maintenance update) HP I64VMS VMS831H1I_UPDATE V2.0: OpenVMS V8.3-1H1 UPDATE V2.0 [...] SMS. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:33:32 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: We only open our wallets when the price is dirt cheap. Message-ID: <48dbe859$0$12374$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > And, as a final clincher, I do COBOL more for fun than work today so COBOL for fun ? Is that some sadomasochism trip ? :-) :-) :-) Or are you thinking of you being handcuffed and bound, and your wife orders you to perform THIS through THAT until wife_is_satisfied. ? Does your wife tell you that she likes your big working storage ? Does she prefer a PIC XXX. or PIC XXXX. ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:20:42 -0500 From: VMS is Virus Free Subject: Re: What creates .RND files? Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:58:42 -0500, VMS is Virus Free wrote: >We have a VMS V8.3 system running Multinet and Oracle Rdb. Other than >Rdb, it is pretty much a run-of-the-mill VMS system. When analyzing >our disks, we found there to be a bunch of .RND;1 files, just one >each, in everyone's top level directory. Each file is exactly 2 blocks >long. A dump shows just random binary values. So, true to its name, it >does look like random data. > >We connect to the system with both telnet and SSH from Windows systems >(PuTTY and CRT) and from other VMS system. There is even some SET HOST >activity still going on as we continue to support LAT. > >I seem to recall from somewhere in the past the Rdb created these >files as pat of its normal operations. I also know that SSH likes to >have a random seed here an there. I've Googled this condition but did >not find anything definite. > >This is mostly curiosity as to where they come from. Any ideas? We have traced this so far the SSL connections during times of high activity and concurrent SSL connections. Since the SSL files are SSL related, there's probably a bug in the code that handles this part of the connection. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.519 ************************