INFO-VAX Wed, 01 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 529 Contents: Elvis is dead - get over it! (was: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, It Re: Elvis is dead - get over it! (was: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test Implementing AS2 for EDI on OpenVMS Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:38:21 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Elvis is dead - get over it! (was: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, It Message-ID: Hi, > My primary desktop at home is an Alpha PWS. I also want an up to date > browser. How about an up to date Word Processor? Spread Sheet? Calendar? Should HP Middle Management pour the money into OpenOffice or just let you go for Google with your new Up to Date browser? Should we go for the volume market of placating WunderGreis VMS System Managers so that they don't have to sully their desks with one of those nasty little PCs or Macs? Or will *anyone* say "Hold on! What software is actually running on the VMS servers that these guys manage?" And is it not more important to keep that software on VMS then to port over a whole lot of crap so as to make the challenging job of "Monitoring" easier? Please give me the demographic of any company's staff that will be browsing, word-processing, and mailing with VMS! Then tell me how many of them access 3GL code and data hosted on VMS servers on a daily basis. (And are soon to cease doing so as HP/VMS management have given them no viable GUI or Web upgrade path :-( ) Regards Richard Maher "Rich Jordan" wrote in message news:6ea70f99-2b0d-4a60-93b4-064fddc18a19@v28g2000hsv.googlegroups.com... On Sep 30, 7:31 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > > Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who > > really > > gives a tinkers damn? > > I do. I browse from VMS on a regular basis, without fear of some > web site attacking me via IE loopholes. My primary desktop at home is an Alpha PWS. I also want an up to date browser. At some point my VAXstation at work may no longer meet needs and get replaced, probably by an XP1000 or DS10, at which point I'll want a browser on it for work. Alphas have two major advantages right now for that task (over itaniums). They are more available (hobbyist side, and to be fair, also at work with real licenses) due to cost and 'hand me downs' from ugprades, and they are much more amenable to use in an office environment. Itaniums are bloody noisy and hot, even with the 'office friendly' kits. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:32:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Elvis is dead - get over it! (was: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test Message-ID: <00A806D4.ED056C08@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "Richard Maher" writes: >Hi, > >> My primary desktop at home is an Alpha PWS. I also want an up to date >> browser. > >How about an up to date Word Processor? Spread Sheet? Calendar? I have Pages, Numbers and iCal... and I don't use them. So what? >Should HP Middle Management pour the money into OpenOffice or just let you >go for Google with your new Up to Date browser? > >Should we go for the volume market of placating WunderGreis VMS System >Managers so that they don't have to sully their desks with one of those >nasty little PCs or Macs? Or will *anyone* say "Hold on! What software is >actually running on the VMS servers that these guys manage?" And is it not >more important to keep that software on VMS then to port over a whole lot of >crap so as to make the challenging job of "Monitoring" easier? > >Please give me the demographic of any company's staff that will be browsing, >word-processing, and mailing with VMS! I still do most of my documentation with Document. Browsing I do on the Mac and my email is VMS mail. I do agree that a Borwser is a bit late in the game. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:47:55 +0930 From: Jeremy Begg Subject: Implementing AS2 for EDI on OpenVMS Message-ID: <48E30803.90209@vsm.com.au> Hi, "AS2", aka RFC4130, is a standard for EDI which uses S/MIME over HTTP. Key features of the standard are that the document is signed and encrypted before transmission, and the receiving party must generate and send a Message Disposition Notification (MDN) in response. (This confirms that the document has been received & unencrypted and that the signature has been verified.) In essence it provides for secure document exchange and non-repudiation of receipt. I'm trying to implement AS2 on OpenVMS. At present I have a DCL procedure which uses a number of SSL for OpenVMS utilities (the openssl command set) to extract the document from the incoming message, and another DCL procedure for generating the MDN. I've run into two problems: 1. I can't get 'openssl smime -verify' to verify the incoming document's signature. 2. My MDN looks OK to me but the other party claims it's not. (So far we've been unable to get any further detail from them, i.e. what exactly is wrong with it, which isn't very helpful!) So, I was wondering if anyone has implemented AS2 on OpenVMS and if so, would you be willing to provide some assistance? This is my first project to use SSL and it's very possible that I've misunderstood something crucial. Thanks, Jeremy Begg jeremy at vsm com au ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 08 13:50:35 EDT From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <5AUXjmWmw5S6@wvnvms> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:19:04 -0700, wrote: > >> Sorry definitely disagree. I want a modern browser on VMS. >> The sooner SeaMonkey is available for Alpha the better. > > Why? What would you use it for? As my primary browser both at home and work for sites which require Javascript. I put your question in the same category as I'd put "Why would anyone want PL/I on Itanium? Why not just move off VMS instead?" George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:02:10 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: Rich Jordan wrote: > On Sep 30, 7:31 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > Koehler) wrote: > >>In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >> >> >>>Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who >>>really gives a tinkers damn? Anybody who actually uses their VMS systems, and thus might occasionally want patches or new software, both of which are primarily distributed over the web. >> I do. I browse from VMS on a regular basis, without fear of some >> web site attacking me via IE loopholes. Any browser (well, all code) has loopholes. Most likely the main impetus behind the current Seamonkey/Mozilla update is the security fixes that have become available. I wouldn't assume that browsing on VMS is inherently safer, though having an up-to-date browser does increase the odds of same. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:43:07 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:02:10 -0700, Craig A. Berry wrote: > Anybody who actually uses their VMS systems, and thus might occasionally > want patches or new software, both of which are primarily distributed > over the web. > You don't need a browser for that, but it is certainly a bit easier to use. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:18:36 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:50:35 -0700, George Cook wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" > writes: >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:19:04 -0700, wrote: >> >>> Sorry definitely disagree. I want a modern browser on VMS. >>> The sooner SeaMonkey is available for Alpha the better. >> >> Why? What would you use it for? > > As my primary browser both at home and work for sites which require > Javascript. > > I put your question in the same category as I'd put "Why would anyone > want PL/I on Itanium? Why not just move off VMS instead?" To avoid buffer overruns:-) Seriously, you could replace 'PL/I' with 'anything' in that sentence. BTW, we do provide support for translated images with native runtime support on Itanium. Digital years ago stopped supporting VMS on the desktop and trying to deploy it in that manner is like swimming upstream. There is so much that is missing, hell I can't even get a decent version of emacs. What about brower plugins, spreadsheets, ...? I actually use three different browsers on XP, IE, Firefox and Opera. some only work with IE. With PuTTY, eXcursion, SWCC I think it makes a great desktop for managing and working on the cluster, because I have broadband wireless access on my laptop I can do it from any golf course in North America:-) I have not experienced any viral intrusions. It's an appliance. > > > George Cook > WVNET -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:57:58 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <48e2cc03$0$12376$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > Digital years ago stopped supporting VMS on the desktop and trying to > deploy > it in that manner is like swimming upstream. And where is Digital today ? Where is VMS today compared to the days where it had better desktop software than DOS / Windows ? Providing basic/core desktop functionality is necessary for an OS to survive today. Doesn't mean that you have to have goals of displacing Windows as most widely deployed desktop. But having decent interactive tools is necessary for an OS to be viable. Next thing, you'll state that having the interactive debugger available on VMS is not necessary/desirable ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:03:07 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: OT: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:57:58 -0700, JF Mezei wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: > >> Digital years ago stopped supporting VMS on the desktop and trying to >> deploy >> it in that manner is like swimming upstream. > > > And where is Digital today ? Where is VMS today compared to the days > where it had better desktop software than DOS / Windows ? > > Providing basic/core desktop functionality is necessary for an OS to > survive today. Doesn't mean that you have to have goals of displacing > Windows as most widely deployed desktop. But having decent interactive > tools is necessary for an OS to be viable. > > Next thing, you'll state that having the interactive debugger available > on VMS is not necessary/desirable ? That is a different kettle of fish. I run the debugger, or rather I display it on my laptop courtesy of ssh tunnel through eXcursion. > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.529 ************************