INFO-VAX Sun, 19 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 564 Contents: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test How to make a java memory dump Re: How to make a java memory dump Re: How to make a java memory dump RE: PC Systems for sale Re: PC Systems for sale Re: PC Systems for sale Re: PC Systems for sale Re: PC Systems for sale Linux/XP Pro Re: Random: VMS inspired Dell managed switch? Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Message-ID: <93837673-9337-48a1-a868-08ddedcff7a5@64g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Hello all, I'm trying to do an installation on an old AlphaServer 1000a with video card installed. When I turn it on, one can clearly see that the system performs its self tests thanks to the LCD on the front panel. Some moments later, the blue screen appears on the monitor and I see that the remaining tests -- including memory -- are completed successful. The ">>>" prompt appears. Then, about 1 min later, the screen goes dark. Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:48:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Message-ID: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm trying to do an installation on an old AlphaServer 1000a with > video card installed. > > When I turn it on, one can clearly see that the system performs its > self tests thanks to the LCD on the front panel. > > Some moments later, the blue screen appears on the monitor and I see > that the remaining tests -- including memory -- are completed > successful. The ">>>" prompt appears. > > Then, about 1 min later, the screen goes dark. > > Any ideas? My guess would be that some sort of screen saver kicked in. Try typing a command; e.g. "HELP" or "BOOT". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:54:53 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Message-ID: On Oct 18, 3:48=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > alexandre.laguejacq...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello all, > > > I'm trying to do an installation on an old AlphaServer 1000a with > > video card installed. > > > When I turn it on, one can clearly see that the system performs its > > self tests thanks to the LCD on the front panel. > > > Some moments later, the blue screen appears on the monitor and I see > > that the remaining tests -- including memory -- are completed > > successful. =A0The ">>>" prompt appears. > > > Then, about 1 min later, the screen goes dark. > > > Any ideas? > > My guess would be that some sort of screen saver kicked in. > > Try typing a command; e.g. "HELP" or "BOOT". I should have added that I thought about that too. It will go blank anyway, even while I'm typing! Another detail is the LCD. Sometimes the LCD on the front is active and displays the self tests and beeps once. (If it turns on, I manage to get the blue console screen on the monitor. Of course it ultimately goes black!) More often than not, however, the LCD remains blank and there is no beep. Nothing is output to the monitor. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:00:33 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Message-ID: <5oydnY5pA-ZpomfVnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com> alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com wrote: > On Oct 18, 3:48 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> alexandre.laguejacq...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I'm trying to do an installation on an old AlphaServer 1000a with >>> video card installed. >>> When I turn it on, one can clearly see that the system performs its >>> self tests thanks to the LCD on the front panel. >>> Some moments later, the blue screen appears on the monitor and I see >>> that the remaining tests -- including memory -- are completed >>> successful. The ">>>" prompt appears. >>> Then, about 1 min later, the screen goes dark. >>> Any ideas? >> My guess would be that some sort of screen saver kicked in. >> >> Try typing a command; e.g. "HELP" or "BOOT". > > I should have added that I thought about that too. It will go blank > anyway, even while I'm typing! > > Another detail is the LCD. Sometimes the LCD on the front is active > and displays the self tests and beeps once. (If it turns on, I manage > to get the blue console screen on the monitor. Of course it ultimately > goes black!) More often than not, however, the LCD remains blank and > there is no beep. Nothing is output to the monitor. Sounds like a hardware problem! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:25:06 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000a screen blanks after self test Message-ID: In article , alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com writes: > > > I'm trying to do an installation on an old AlphaServer 1000a with > > > video card installed. > Another detail is the LCD. Sometimes the LCD on the front is active > and displays the self tests and beeps once. (If it turns on, I manage > to get the blue console screen on the monitor. Of course it ultimately > goes black!) More often than not, however, the LCD remains blank and > there is no beep. Nothing is output to the monitor. Console set to serial? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:45:11 -0700 (PDT) From: tdirven@volvocars.com Subject: How to make a java memory dump Message-ID: Hello, I'm using Java based applications that are running as a detached process on OpenVMS (Alpha and I64) I use Java version 1.5. The java applications consume a lot of memory. Is it possible to make a memory dump of all Java classes so I can find out which java objects are using the all the RAM memory? /Toine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:51:39 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: How to make a java memory dump Message-ID: On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:45:11 -0700, wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using Java based applications that are running as a detached > process on OpenVMS (Alpha and I64) > I use Java version 1.5. > The java applications consume a lot of memory. Duh. > > Is it possible to make a memory dump of all Java classes so I can find > out which java objects are using the all the RAM memory? They all do. > > /Toine -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:18:50 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: How to make a java memory dump Message-ID: <48fa9909$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> tdirven@volvocars.com wrote: > I'm using Java based applications that are running as a detached > process on OpenVMS (Alpha and I64) > I use Java version 1.5. > The java applications consume a lot of memory. > > Is it possible to make a memory dump of all Java classes so I can find > out which java objects are using the all the RAM memory? If you run the Java program with: $ java "-Xverbosegc:heap" "-Xverbosegc:file:Foobar.lis" "Foobar" then you will get a lot of information about which classes are using the heap space. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:08:38 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: PC Systems for sale Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED7606FAD@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: urbancamo [mailto:mark@wickensonline.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale > > Well, I normally don't take the bait on discussions like this - I tend > to sit back and just have a good laugh. > There seems to be precious little of the 'best tool for the job' > mentality. This applies in every decision that an adult makes. > > In the working world it is an unfortunate reality that we don't always > get the choose the most productive environment and tools for us as > individuals. As an example, I use a sun thin client to connect to a > sun server, then start an RDP session onto a Windows box. This is > where the development tools are installed that I am expected to use. > From my position, I'd rather develop under UNIX, because the UNIX > toolset is familiar to me and designed for an experience user. > However, from a company perspective, their normal users have been > exposed primarily to Windows. I understand that there are sound > business reasons for them to use Windows for non-development office > staff. It's my job to convince them that the benefits of our team > using UNIX to develop under outweigh the disadvantages. > > Windows is the environment of choice for most companies simply because > it is the dominant operating system, and therefore requires the least > investment in retraining. More companies are appreciating however that > Linux is now significantly closer in terms of the user interaction > experience and toolset (OpenOffice/StarOffice) for office workers that > the cost of retraining is low enough to make the other benefits > (stability, manageability, etc) outweigh the disadvantages. The > increasing use of open source software also allows companies to switch > between environments without loosing functionality. For example, as > most development tools I use run on a Java platform I can happily > switch between Windows and Linux with very little disruption. > And so with Java on OpenVMS. Some Cust's will develop Java on Windows/ Linux but deploy (copy) on OpenVMS for added security and native active-active clustering. > The problem I see from the OpenVMS perspective is that open source > development has left the platform behind. I believe the reason for > this is the same reason why most computers have an Intel x86 > processor. I think we've just gone too far now to reach a critical > mass where there is enough open source software ported to OpenVMS to > get users back on. > Open source OS options will always have a place, but imho, are losing steam right now as senior managers do not want their IT staff playing in the weeds with low level bits-n-bytes OS stuff. They would prefer these resources focus on working with their business units to help them become more competitive. Given that the OS and associated training is a small microism of the total IT budget, most senior Execs could not care less what their IT OS strategy is. In addition, many senior exec's want a single throat to choke when things get messed up. > Specialized use is an entirely different scenario. If you want a > server with excellent stability and security then OpenVMS is a good > choice. > No argument there. > In my spare time I primarily use Linux and OpenVMS. I have two > options. I can use my Linux box as a desktop and remotely display my > OpenVMS desktop, or use the OpenVMS box directly. However, as the > ZX6000 I use does not support DVI I tend to use my Linux box as a > desktop because the display is much crisper. I also note that > > I guess what I'm trying to say here that everyone on this list > probably has their own set of requirements and I don't see arguing > about them is getting us anywhere. I struggle enough with my own > conflicting requirements. I love DEC kit and OpenVMS because I have > history with them and appreciate them both as fine examples of > engineering. However, I have to support a family and that means > working with operating systems and hardware that I consider inferior. > > Mark. While no one will argue with personal decisions you make that are best suited for your specific conditions, you also need to realize that the IT world is moving back to very centralized, very HA, very secure environments. Server and DC consolidation projects are happening in almost every med-large company today. The number 1 and 2 targets for these server consolidation projects are x86 based Windows and to a smaller degree, Linux environments running at 5-15% peak utilization during "busy" parts of the day. This is a fact - not OS religion. Virtualization options like VMware are temporary solutions to save HW/DC cooling costs, but these are still small savings compared to the IT Staffing costs which are typically 60-70% of any IT budget. IT staffing is directly tied to the number of OS instances being maintained so the "one bus App, one OS instance" platform days are in for some tough times in the next 12-24 months. As I sometimes like to say "the new dinosaurs are those developing distributed applications targeted at "one bus app, one OS instance platforms using hype of the day technologies." :-) > > p.s. I got caught by the OpenVMS relicensing issue the other day. As I > only had a VT terminal at hand I typed the values in by hand. No big > deal. I love command line interfaces as they can be much more > productive for experienced users. > And the lack of a useable CLI was always such a negative against Microsoft when enterprise companies were looking at options, that Microsoft finally saw the light and added a much improved CLI as part of Windows 2008 (Powershell). A good CLI is critical to mission critical computing as batch jobs are a key component of how real work gets done behind the scenes. > I worked on a GUI replacement for a call centre application and the > reason was not productivity but ease of training. The experienced > users of the green screen application were phenomenally quick as was > the application. The GUI replacement was incredibly slow and > frustrating for the experienced users. At the end of the day, however, > the replacement remained because it took 3 months training to get up > to speed with the GUI app and a year with the green screen app. The > average employment duration of an operative had dropped from ten years > to three years, so a year of training was just too costly. > Not sure what you mean here as a PC or MAC or whatever GUI and/or browser front ends can be implemented on OpenVMS in the same way as any other OS. Anyway, I agree everyone needs to evaluate what tools they need for a specific opportunity, but imho, the times are changing. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale Message-ID: <4eee09b2-a47b-4b9e-af51-d2b08767797c@u57g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> > And so with Java on OpenVMS. Some Cust's will develop Java on Windows/ > Linux but deploy (copy) on OpenVMS for added security and native > active-active clustering. In my day-to-day job working with Java I would unfortunately have a really hard time selling OpenVMS as a mission critical platform when there doesn't appear to be a huge amount of effort being made in keeping the version available on OpenVMS tracking Sun released versions. I have noted that after an initial period of being supported by major application server vendors the vast majority have dropped OpenVMS as a supported platform within the past five years. > Open source OS options will always have a place, but imho, are losing > steam right now as senior managers do not want their IT staff playing > in the weeds with low level bits-n-bytes OS stuff. They would prefer > these resources focus on working with their business units to help them > become more competitive. Given that the OS and associated training is > a small microism of the total IT budget, most senior Execs could not > care less what their IT OS strategy is. In my comments regarding open source I was really thinking about products that might fill the void that have been created by the dropping of development for OpenVMS by major vendors. While there are still licensed products being used for major components in a large web based business application (such as database and application server) it is also true that the development tool chain in every company I have worked for in the past ten years has included a significant number of open source components. No one wants to reinvent the wheel these days, and without these tools and libraries any operating system is going to suffer as a result. > While no one will argue with personal decisions you make that are best > suited for your specific conditions, you also need to realize that the > IT world is moving back to very centralized, very HA, very secure > environments. Server and DC consolidation projects are happening in > almost every med-large company today. The number 1 and 2 targets for > these server consolidation projects are x86 based Windows and to a > smaller degree, Linux environments running at 5-15% peak utilization > during "busy" parts of the day. This is a fact - not OS religion. Absolutely agree. I'm not sure what percentage of this kind of market runs windows however - I would imagine that it has never been a huge percentage. UNIX incarnations (whether it be AIX, Solaris, HPUX or Linux) have always been highly respected in the organisations I have worked in for their abilities to perform in HA environments. > As I sometimes like to say "the new dinosaurs are those developing > distributed applications targeted at "one bus app, one OS instance > platforms using hype of the day technologies." I've been developing software for a long time and cringe sometimes at the quality of tools that are passed off as suitable for use by a large development team. Equally, for every bad tool that is pushed there are alternatives. OpenVMS cannot compete in this area. There just isn't the breadth available. > Not sure what you mean here as a PC or MAC or whatever GUI and/or > browser front ends can be implemented on OpenVMS in the same way as > any other OS. I was probably venting my frustration that a perfectly good system has to be replaced because the market conditions have moved on. The existing system may not have been pretty but it was technically very impressive. Another part of the drive to replace the application was due to the use of languages such as COBOL that can no longer be sourced technically in significant and consistent numbers. It was also probably a rant about the current state of software development management. The term 'engineering' often leaves me shaking my head in disbelieve ('Cynical Old Contractor' syndrome I'm sure!) Let me add at the end of this post that I'm looking to be educated primarily and get my facts straight. It would be nice if those who are experts in OpenVMS could provide insights into how they see OpenVMS fitting into the modern data centre, development houses and offices without resorting to HP bashing. Whilst within a personal context there will always be a time and place to vent negative opinions about OpenVMS and HP I have been really surprised how much of it goes on within this news group. Linux has proved, if nothing else, that the worldwide community of software developers (and I include commercial organisations within this context) can change the operating systems pie chart. People like Alexey Chupahin (who is actively porting various projects to OpenVMS) are a breath of fresh air in re-igniting my enthusiam in OpenVMS. HP appear to have noticed him and are supporting his efforts with much needed hardware. If only there were many more like him... Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:19:50 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale Message-ID: <48faa756$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > Open source OS options will always have a place, but imho, are losing > steam right now That is not what I see. Linux is taking over enterprise IT. > as senior managers do not want their IT staff playing > in the weeds with low level bits-n-bytes OS stuff. Sounds as something people believed 10 years ago. Most Linux users are not customizing any code at all. > Given that the OS and associated training is > a small microism of the total IT budget, most senior Execs could not > care less what their IT OS strategy is. True. But: - running on the cheapest platform (x86-64) - having most apps available - having most skilled people available after Windows are interesting for them. > In addition, many senior exec's want a single throat to choke when > things get messed up. Companies like IBM, Oracle, SUN, Redhat are happy to provide a throat for $$$$. > While no one will argue with personal decisions you make that are best > suited for your specific conditions, you also need to realize that the > IT world is moving back to very centralized, very HA, very secure > environments. Server and DC consolidation projects are happening in > almost every med-large company today. The number 1 and 2 targets for > these server consolidation projects are x86 based Windows and to a > smaller degree, Linux environments running at 5-15% peak utilization > during "busy" parts of the day. This is a fact - not OS religion. That is true. But they are centralizing to fewer and bigger Linux and Windows boxes. > Virtualization options like VMware are temporary solutions to save HW/DC > cooling costs, but these are still small savings compared to the IT > Staffing costs which are typically 60-70% of any IT budget. IT staffing > is directly tied to the number of OS instances being maintained so the > "one bus App, one OS instance" platform days are in for some tough > times in the next 12-24 months. The premise is completely untrue. IT staffing is not tied to number of OS instances. IT staffing is tied to the requirement for manual intervention by the apps that are running. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:24:12 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale Message-ID: <48faa85c$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> urbancamo wrote: >> And so with Java on OpenVMS. Some Cust's will develop Java on Windows/ >> Linux but deploy (copy) on OpenVMS for added security and native >> active-active clustering. > > In my day-to-day job working with Java I would unfortunately have a > really hard time selling OpenVMS as a mission critical platform when > there doesn't appear to be a huge amount of effort being made in > keeping the version available on OpenVMS tracking Sun released > versions. The mission critical Java apps are rarely running on latest Java version anyway. > I have noted that after an initial period of being supported by major > application server vendors the vast majority have dropped OpenVMS as a > supported platform within the past five years. I believe JBoss would be the most obvious choice today. >> Open source OS options will always have a place, but imho, are losing >> steam right now as senior managers do not want their IT staff playing >> in the weeds with low level bits-n-bytes OS stuff. They would prefer >> these resources focus on working with their business units to help them >> become more competitive. Given that the OS and associated training is >> a small microism of the total IT budget, most senior Execs could not >> care less what their IT OS strategy is. > > In my comments regarding open source I was really thinking about > products that might fill the void that have been created by the > dropping of development for OpenVMS by major vendors. While there are > still licensed products being used for major components in a large web > based business application (such as database and application server) > it is also true that the development tool chain in every company I > have worked for in the past ten years has included a significant > number of open source components. No one wants to reinvent the wheel > these days, and without these tools and libraries any operating system > is going to suffer as a result. It is becoming increasingly difficult for commercial vendors of development tools. Free is becoming the de facto standard price level for such. > Whilst within a personal context there will always be a time and place > to vent negative opinions about OpenVMS and HP I have been really > surprised how much of it goes on within this news group. Linux has > proved, if nothing else, that the worldwide community of software > developers (and I include commercial organisations within this > context) can change the operating systems pie chart. Some people write code. Some people complain. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:35:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Bill Pechter Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale Linux/XP Pro Message-ID: What's the maximum memory... Might be able to get ESX3i on 'em. What's the slot layout for PCI PCIe... Any ethernet on the motherboard and if so which chipset... Bill -- Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:26:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Bill Pechter Subject: Re: Random: VMS inspired Dell managed switch? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <0799490b-cac1-408d-9d46-07e532ccc29b@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > sampsal@gmail.com writes: >> I've just ordered a Dell PowerConnect 5448 and was reading through the >> manual and came across the following which I found quite intriguing / >> amusing: >> >> 01-Jan-xxxx 01:01:59 %INIT-I-InitCompleted: Initialization task is >> completed >> 01-Jan-xxxx 01:02:00 %SNMP-I-CDBITEMSNUM: Number of running >> configuration items >> loaded: 0 >> 01-Jan-xxxx 01:02:00 %SNMP-I-CDBITEMSNUM: Number of startup >> configuration items >> loaded: 0 >> 01-Jan-xxxx 01:02:01 %Box-I-SFP-PRESENT-CHNG: unit_id 1 SFP 0 status >> is not present. >> >> >> Interesting message code format, no? And the date is of course in a >> very VMS-like format too. > > Could be because the box appears to be using something connected to > VxWorks5.5.1. Wasn't/isn't that an offshoot of VMS? > > bill > Nah... There's no connection between VXworks and VMS. VXworks doesn't have any error messages like that. It's a minimum kernel for embedded systems. I worked with it at Lucent... It's more C/Unix like than anything and it has a flat non-segemented memory space with no protections. Bill -- Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:16:49 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: Hello everyone, how do I copy just some records from a non-indexed file to another one without having to resort to third party utilities like EXTRACT (1)? I just needed something like DUMP/BLOCKS or DUMP/RECORDS with binary output, but wasn't able to find it among the standard system utilities. I also gave a quick check to CONVERT and SORT documentation, to no avail. I'm a hobbyist, so I'm not very used to RMS tools... Am I missing something obvious? Thanks, G. (1) http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev80/extract/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:01:48 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > how do I copy just some records from a non-indexed file to another one without > having to resort to third party utilities like EXTRACT (1)? I just needed > something like DUMP/BLOCKS or DUMP/RECORDS with binary output, but wasn't able > to find it among the standard system utilities. I also gave a quick check to > CONVERT and SORT documentation, to no avail. I'm a hobbyist, so I'm not very > used to RMS tools... Am I missing something obvious? > > Thanks, > G. > > > (1) http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev80/extract/ If it's a line oriented text file, check "$SEARCH fil string /OUTPUT=xxx". Or simply OPEN it in a DCL command file and READ throught it... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:31:30 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: <00A814E0.957D167D@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >gerry77@no.spam.mail.com wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> how do I copy just some records from a non-indexed file to another one without >> having to resort to third party utilities like EXTRACT (1)? I just needed >> something like DUMP/BLOCKS or DUMP/RECORDS with binary output, but wasn't able >> to find it among the standard system utilities. I also gave a quick check to >> CONVERT and SORT documentation, to no avail. I'm a hobbyist, so I'm not very >> used to RMS tools... Am I missing something obvious? >> >> Thanks, >> G. If you know the line numbers, use EDT. $ EDIT/EDT INITIAL.FILE CTRL-Z Line: WRITE NEW.FILE beginning-line-number:end-line-number Line: QUIT $ If you don't know the line numbers: $ EDIT/EDT INITIAL.FILE CTRL-Z Line: SET NUMBERS Line: TYPE 1:END Fine the appropriate line numbers and... Line: WRITE NEW.FILE beginning-line-number:end-line-number Line: QUIT $ -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:37:05 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: <4hrkf41ps4bkelh6892mjv2eas2acp6dum@4ax.com> On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:01:48 GMT, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > > how do I copy just some records from a non-indexed file to another one without > > having to resort to third party utilities like EXTRACT (1)? I just needed > > If it's a line oriented text file, check > "$SEARCH fil string /OUTPUT=xxx". > > Or simply OPEN it in a DCL command file and > READ throught it... I've forgot to write that I was playing with a binary file. BTW, using SEARCH implies that there is something like a "key" to distinguish records, instead I was trying to extract binary records just knowing which ones I needed. :-) Thanks, G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:17:13 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > how do I copy just some records from a non-indexed file to another one without > having to resort to third party utilities like EXTRACT (1)? I just needed > something like DUMP/BLOCKS or DUMP/RECORDS with binary output, but wasn't able > to find it among the standard system utilities. I also gave a quick check to > CONVERT and SORT documentation, to no avail. I'm a hobbyist, so I'm not very > used to RMS tools... Am I missing something obvious? > > Thanks, > G. > > > (1) http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/freewarev80/extract/ If the file is text, you could simply use an editor to delete the portions you don't want and save the result as a new file. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dreamwafer@yahoo.com Subject: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Message-ID: <6894c48f-d469-4074-b68a-9863184afd4f@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> I purchased this book back in 1984 at the Digital Bookstore for $45.00. The book itself is in perfect condition (it even has a handmade bookcover). I'd rather send it to someone who would appreciate it rather than donate it to the local library. If you are interested, send me your zip code and I will tell you what shipping + handling will cost. First come, first serve so if you don't hear back from me, you can assume that I've already found a taker. -- Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 14:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: dreamwafer@yahoo.com Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Message-ID: <581f4776-8736-44e5-b494-11601966369b@v15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Oh, I guess I forgot to mention that my email address is: dreamwafer@yahoo.REMOVETHIS.com -- Greg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:26:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Message-ID: <00A814D7.87BED0DE@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <6894c48f-d469-4074-b68a-9863184afd4f@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, dreamwafer@yahoo.com writes: >I purchased this book back in 1984 at the Digital Bookstore for >$45.00. The book itself is in perfect condition (it even has a >handmade bookcover). I'd rather send it to someone who would >appreciate it rather than donate it to the local library. If you are >interested, send me your zip code and I will tell you what shipping + >handling will cost. > >First come, first serve so if you don't hear back from me, you can >assume that I've already found a taker. I can get email to the address you provided in your follow-up. I'd love to have this. Contact me. I've added the address you posted to my whitelist so that should get through. If not, put "[PASS:VAXman]" in the subject. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:26:12 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Message-ID: In article <00A814D7.87BED0DE@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <6894c48f-d469-4074-b68a-9863184afd4f@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, dreamwafer@yahoo.com writes: > >I purchased this book back in 1984 at the Digital Bookstore for > >$45.00. The book itself is in perfect condition (it even has a > >handmade bookcover). I'd rather send it to someone who would > >appreciate it rather than donate it to the local library. If you are > >interested, send me your zip code and I will tell you what shipping + > >handling will cost. > I'd love to have this. Contact me. I've added the address you posted > to my whitelist so that should get through. If not, put "[PASS:VAXman]" > in the subject. You mean you don't have a copy already?!?!?! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 01:03:48 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Internals & Data Structures (looking for a good home) Message-ID: <00A814ED.7ACD7846@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article <00A814D7.87BED0DE@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- >@SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >> In article <6894c48f-d469-4074-b68a-9863184afd4f@e17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, dreamwafer@yahoo.com writes: >> >I purchased this book back in 1984 at the Digital Bookstore for >> >$45.00. The book itself is in perfect condition (it even has a >> >handmade bookcover). I'd rather send it to someone who would >> >appreciate it rather than donate it to the local library. If you are >> >interested, send me your zip code and I will tell you what shipping + >> >handling will cost. > >> I'd love to have this. Contact me. I've added the address you posted >> to my whitelist so that should get through. If not, put "[PASS:VAXman]" >> in the subject. > >You mean you don't have a copy already?!?!?! Sure do and I can problably recite the book; however, none of my editions have a handmade cover. ;) I have several copies of each of the I&DS. The Alpha (hardcover) I purchased a second copy of because I read and used it so often that its binding broke. All of mine, save for the Kenah & Bates Edition, are signed too. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. 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