INFO-VAX Thu, 23 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 573 Contents: Re: Disabling the F6 interrupt function Re: Disabling the F6 interrupt function Re: OT: Shuttle Columbia Disaster Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PALCode problem Re: PC Systems for sale Linux/XP Pro Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on RE: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on We have quorum! (Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) Re: We have quorum! (Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:20:19 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Disabling the F6 interrupt function Message-ID: In article <73922e83-f9f3-4749-8eff-0677e1337d8c@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: > > My theory is that next F6 key interrupt gets processed be for the AST > is re-established. I guess I am assuming that an AST can be > interrupted by the next F6 Key interrupt. Is that impossible? If the AST re-establishes itself, that prevents any main thread code from running before the interrupt is passed on to the program. But it doesn't prevent the device driver from processing the interrupt. Perhaps the AST needs to be set up as an attention AST so the driver will know to fire it. I've only dealt with this issue in custom drivers that weren't for terminals. And, of course, I could code those drivers to always do what I wanted. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: tadamsmar Subject: Re: Disabling the F6 interrupt function Message-ID: On Oct 23, 8:20=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <73922e83-f9f3-4749-8eff-0677e1337...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups= .com>, tadamsmar writes: > > > > > My theory is that next F6 key interrupt gets processed be for the AST > > is re-established. =A0 I guess I am assuming that an AST can be > > interrupted by the next F6 Key interrupt. =A0Is that impossible? > > =A0 =A0If the AST re-establishes itself, that prevents any main thread co= de > =A0 =A0from running before the interrupt is passed on to the program. > Only main line code at the same or lower access mode is prevented from running. An AST at a higher mode can interrupt one at a lower mode. Assuming I know what I am talking about. But I had bored certified assistance with running the AST at executive mode and that did not work. Don't know how to run it at kernel mode. > =A0 =A0But it doesn't prevent the device driver from processing the > =A0 =A0interrupt. > Perhaps the AST needs to be set up as an attention AST > =A0 =A0so the driver will know to fire it. How do you set up an attention AST? > > =A0 =A0I've only dealt with this issue in custom drivers that weren't for > =A0 =A0terminals. =A0And, of course, I could code those drivers to always= do > =A0 =A0what I wanted. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:31:54 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Shuttle Columbia Disaster Message-ID: In article , John Santos writes: > > Have they fixed the DC Lo problem yet? Last I've seen was Monday, > when one of the instruments shut itself down because of low voltage on > a power supply (which apparently came up to full voltage shortly after > the low-voltage timer went off), and then something caused the data > handling computer to shut down. They're working on it. It came up the evening after I posted, IIRC. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) From: chewep@gmail.com Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: On Oct 22, 4:37=A0pm, "Colin Butcher" wrote: > See here:http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/then download the > latest firmware for the DEC3000 (not on the latest firmware CD) and follo= w > the instructions. > > This looks useful too:ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_image= s- it's worth taking a > look at the older ISO images available. > > Alternatively some of the 2nd user brokers may have older firmware CDs, o= r > your field service contacts may be able to supply you with one. > > -- > Cheers, Colin. > Legacy =3D Stuff that works properly! Thanks Colin, I have checked the firmware update instructions. I find out it will require either floppy or network update. Our machine is a standalone unit which has no network connecting to other Dec server, that Dec server has no floppy drive installed as well. Would it be possible for me to update the firmware from CDROM? Thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: chewep@gmail.com Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: <525d6a17-200f-4379-9ee9-dda9667adc2d@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Oct 23, 9:41=A0am, John Santos wrote: > Bob Gezelter wrote: > > On Oct 22, 1:54 am, che...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>Dear users, > > >>I have just cloned our Openvms (v7.1) plus control software to a > >>refurbished unit (Dec3000/300). After i booted up the server, the > >>system prompted me the following message. > > >>"APB-W-PALREV > >>PALCode rev 5.46 is below supported minimum of 5.48." > > >>I am not familiar with Openvms, i have searched over this group for > >>help, it seems that it is something related to firmware update. But i > >>haven't found the relevant instructions for the firmware update. I am > >>very much appreciated if anyone can help me out on the firmware update > >>matter. Thank you. > > > Concur. > > > Emphasis on Colin's comment "latest firmware for the DEC 3000 (NOT THE > > LATEST FIRMWARE CD)" [emphasis mine]. > > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com > > BTW, the "-W-" in the message indicates it is a Warning, not an Error > ("-E-") or a Fatal error ("-F-"), so the system should boot okay. > > I'm not sure what the latest firmware for the DEC 3000's is, but > from a random assortment of firmware CD's near my desk, V5.4 and > V5.8 both have firmware V7.0, and V6.5, 7.0 and 7.2 all point to > the web site for the latest version. =A0NB: the Palcode versions > are sometimes the same as the firmware versions, but often are > different. =A0I think V7.0 is the most recent firmware version for > 3000s. =A0In any case, my DEC 3000-300 show cpu/full shows it has > > =A0 =A0 PALCODE - =A0Revision Code..: 5.56-01 > > and I'm pretty sure this is the latest and that I last updated > it from one of the V5.x CDs. =A0So if you are looking for a CD, > anything between V5.4 and V5.8 should work. > > Where are you located? =A0If you are in the greater Boston area, > you can borrow one of mine. =A0(I just found a duplicate V5.8, > which I'll mail to you if you still need it - for postage if > outside the US.) > > -- > John Santos > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 Hi John, Very much appreciated your help. My site is located in Singapore. I would like to know if it is possible for you to make an image file so that i can make my own firmware CD. I hope this will save the postage cost. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:34:44 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: chewep@gmail.com wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:41 am, John Santos wrote: > >>Bob Gezelter wrote: >> >>>On Oct 22, 1:54 am, che...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>>Dear users, >> >>>>I have just cloned our Openvms (v7.1) plus control software to a >>>>refurbished unit (Dec3000/300). After i booted up the server, the >>>>system prompted me the following message. >> >>>>"APB-W-PALREV >>>>PALCode rev 5.46 is below supported minimum of 5.48." >> >>>>I am not familiar with Openvms, i have searched over this group for >>>>help, it seems that it is something related to firmware update. But i >>>>haven't found the relevant instructions for the firmware update. I am >>>>very much appreciated if anyone can help me out on the firmware update >>>>matter. Thank you. >> >>>Concur. >> >>>Emphasis on Colin's comment "latest firmware for the DEC 3000 (NOT THE >>>LATEST FIRMWARE CD)" [emphasis mine]. >> >>>- Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com >> >>BTW, the "-W-" in the message indicates it is a Warning, not an Error >>("-E-") or a Fatal error ("-F-"), so the system should boot okay. >> >>I'm not sure what the latest firmware for the DEC 3000's is, but >>from a random assortment of firmware CD's near my desk, V5.4 and >>V5.8 both have firmware V7.0, and V6.5, 7.0 and 7.2 all point to >>the web site for the latest version. NB: the Palcode versions >>are sometimes the same as the firmware versions, but often are >>different. I think V7.0 is the most recent firmware version for >>3000s. In any case, my DEC 3000-300 show cpu/full shows it has >> >> PALCODE - Revision Code..: 5.56-01 >> >>and I'm pretty sure this is the latest and that I last updated >>it from one of the V5.x CDs. So if you are looking for a CD, >>anything between V5.4 and V5.8 should work. >> >>Where are you located? If you are in the greater Boston area, >>you can borrow one of mine. (I just found a duplicate V5.8, >>which I'll mail to you if you still need it - for postage if >>outside the US.) >> >>-- >>John Santos >>Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. >>781-861-0670 ext 539 > > > Hi John, > > Very much appreciated your help. My site is located in Singapore. I > would like to know if it is possible for you to make an image file so > that i can make my own firmware CD. I hope this will save the postage > cost. :-) I think it might be a little big to email (pretty full CD would be around 600 MB, I'm just guessing it's full because why else would they drop the firmware for older systems, except lack of room?), but I'll see what I can do. Maybe you can burn the floppy images to a CD (on some system that has a CD burner, I don't know of any that worked on the DEC 3000s), and install from that, just substituting the CD device name for the floppy disk name (typically DKA500: or DKA600: for the CD vs DVA0: for the CD drive. A warning, though. Lots of the older DEC CD-ROM drives have problems reading CD-RW and some CD-R disks. What model CD do you have? (I think RRD40 and RRD50's had problems, RRD42's are dicey, RR45 and later are fine, not sure about the others, but it depends on the manufacturer and type of CD-R. Anyone have better info? Or maybe someone in Singapore has a spare firmware CD? -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:54:05 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: As I suggested earlier - did you take a look at this: ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images ? You may well find that one of the older ISO images there will allow you to burn your own CD and that it has what you need on it. -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:03:22 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: Colin Butcher wrote: > As I suggested earlier - did you take a look at this: > ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images ? You may well find > that one of the older ISO images there will allow you to burn your own CD > and that it has what you need on it. > Is that link realy complete ? Shouldn't there be some host also between "//" and "ftp/..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:06:34 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: On 23 okt, 11:03, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Colin Butcher wrote: > > As I suggested earlier - did you take a look at this: > >ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images? You may well find > > that one of the older ISO images there will allow you to burn your own = CD > > and that it has what you need on it. > > Is that link realy complete ? > Shouldn't there be some host also between > "//" and =A0"ftp/..." //ftp/hp/com/* ought to be //ftp.hp.com/* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:12:29 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: H Vlems wrote: > On 23 okt, 11:03, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: >> Colin Butcher wrote: >>> As I suggested earlier - did you take a look at this: >>> ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images? You may well find >>> that one of the older ISO images there will allow you to burn your own CD >>> and that it has what you need on it. >> Is that link realy complete ? >> Shouldn't there be some host also between >> "//" and "ftp/..." > > //ftp/hp/com/* ought to be //ftp.hp.com/* Right. ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images/ works OK. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:32:56 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: <1aCu4YCZLwiC@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , chewep@gmail.com writes: > Thanks Colin, I have checked the firmware update instructions. I find > out it will require either floppy or network update. Our machine is a > standalone unit which has no network connecting to other Dec server, > that Dec server has no floppy drive installed as well. Would it be > possible for me to update the firmware from CDROM? > Thanks again. One of the images you can download will build a bootable CD. That's how I updated my 3000. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:56:24 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: PALCode problem Message-ID: chewep@gmail.com wrote: > On Oct 22, 4:37 pm, "Colin Butcher" > wrote: >> See here:http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/then download the >> latest firmware for the DEC3000 (not on the latest firmware CD) and follow >> the instructions. >> >> This looks useful too:ftp://ftp/hp/com/pub/alphaserver/firmware/iso_images- it's worth taking a >> look at the older ISO images available. >> >> Alternatively some of the 2nd user brokers may have older firmware CDs, or >> your field service contacts may be able to supply you with one. >> >> -- >> Cheers, Colin. >> Legacy = Stuff that works properly! > > Thanks Colin, I have checked the firmware update instructions. I find > out it will require either floppy or network update. Our machine is a > standalone unit which has no network connecting to other Dec server, > that Dec server has no floppy drive installed as well. Would it be > possible for me to update the firmware from CDROM? > Thanks again. It should be possible if you can write a CD that your VMS system can read. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:18:33 -0400 From: "David Turner, islandco.com" Subject: Re: PC Systems for sale Linux/XP Pro Message-ID: The system comes with 2GB upgradable to 4GB 1 PCI-E 3 PCI -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Bill Pechter" wrote in message news:gddrsh$gmg$2@registered.motzarella.org... > What's the maximum memory... Might be able to get ESX3i on 'em. > What's the slot layout for PCI PCIe... > Any ethernet on the motherboard and if so which chipset... > > Bill > -- > Be comforted that in the face of all erridity and disallusionment, and > despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in > computer maintainance. --Deteriorata (pechter-at-gmail-dot-com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: On Oct 22, 10:20=A0pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > AFAIK, DCL does not support any structured programming constructs, only > labels and GOTOs. Boy, this'll take us off topic. Structured programming doesn't require WHILE, and doesn't forbid the use of GOTO. At its roots, it just says that any programming solution can be expressed using three constructs: sequential blocks of code, conditional execution, and looping. All three of those constructs can be implemented in DCL. Granted, it doesn't have many of the higher level statements that make it easier to see the structure, but it can all be done. For example, the construct WHILE (condition) . . . NEXT can be expressed in DCL as looptop: IF (.not. condition) THEN GOTO loopend . . . GOTO looptop loopend: . The SELECT (or CASE) statement is a shortcut for multiple IFs or IF/ ELSEIFs. And so on. You can express all of these so-called structured constructs using just labels and GOTOs, and IFs. So, go out there and start writing structured DCL. It can be done. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:53:49 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > yyyc186 wrote: >> [snip] >> The cheap hack would be to open the file with DCL and enter a WHILE >> loop counting the record number. > > AFAIK, DCL does not support any structured programming constructs, only > labels and GOTOs. > > My DCL experience tends to end circa. V8.2, however (V7.3-2 with some > V8.2 extensions). > > D.J.D. IF something THEN mumble ELSE fakeit ENDIF DEC/COMPAQ/HP never said DCL was a programming language or claimed that it was structured. It is still possible to write structured code in the absence of some of the language constructs that tend to enforce structure. It is also possible to write spaghetti code using structured constructs; you just have to work harder at it. The structure, or lack thereof, arises from the design process rather than from the language used! Do you want to try to write structured code in sh, bash, ksh, csh, tcsh, zsh, etc, etc? You just have to work a little harder at it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:00:22 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: FrankS wrote: > On Oct 22, 10:20 pm, David J Dachtera > wrote: >> AFAIK, DCL does not support any structured programming constructs, only >> labels and GOTOs. > > Boy, this'll take us off topic. > > Structured programming doesn't require WHILE, and doesn't forbid the > use of GOTO. At its roots, it just says that any programming solution > can be expressed using three constructs: sequential blocks of code, > conditional execution, and looping. > > All three of those constructs can be implemented in DCL. Granted, it > doesn't have many of the higher level statements that make it easier > to see the structure, but it can all be done. > > For example, the construct > > WHILE (condition) > . > . > . > NEXT > > can be expressed in DCL as > > looptop: > IF (.not. condition) THEN GOTO loopend > . > . > . > GOTO looptop > > loopend: > . > > The SELECT (or CASE) statement is a shortcut for multiple IFs or IF/ > ELSEIFs. And so on. You can express all of these so-called > structured constructs using just labels and GOTOs, and IFs. > > So, go out there and start writing structured DCL. It can be done. Well said!! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:41:27 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: This has been tossed around on the VMS SIG listserv for the last couple of days. I wrote: >The boxes on the right, which appear to be RA drives, >DO say "digital". DEC never made an Itanium. > > > >> >> Aaron Sakovich >> > UNGARD.COM> To >> VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG >> 10/22/2008 11:07 cc >> AM >> Subject >> What OS is that hardware running? >> Please respond to >> Open VMS SIG List >> > .ENCOMPASSUS.ORG> >> ; Please respond >> to >> Aaron.Sakovich@SU >> NGARD.COM >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Got a keen eye, that can discern model numbers from a low-res photo? Or >>can you see features that I may miss (because I've not had one of these >>systems in nearly 15 years!)??? >> >>Check out Microsoft's "Computing on Itanium" page: >>http://www.microsoft.com/servers/64bit/itanium/overview.mspx >> >>The photo/header itself: >>http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/servers/graphics/hero/itaniu >>m_header.jpg >> >>Mirrored on my site, in case MS gets wind of this conversation and yanks >>it: >>http://openvms.hobby-site.com/images/MS_Itanium_Header.jpg >> >>Sure looks like VAX 6000's and RA series drives to me... ;) Is this a >>subtle nod to the common heritage I64 and WNT have? >> >>Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <3842b952-dc67-416f-8cc6-f1bd676b57f2@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> T24gMjMgT2N0LCAxMzo0MSwga29laC4uLkBlaXNuZXIubm9zcGFtLmVuY29tcGFzc2VydmUub3Jn 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  UNGARD.COM>                                                To >> >>                                       VMS-...@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG     >> >>             10/22/2008 11:07                                           cc >> >>             AM                                                             >> >>                                                                   Subject >> >>                                       What OS is that hardware running?   >> >>             Please respond to                                             >> >>             Open VMS SIG List                                             >> >>             > >>             .ENCOMPASSUS.ORG>                                             >> >>             ; Please respond                                               >> >>                    to                                                     >> >>             Aaron.Sakovich@SU                                             >> >>                 NGARD.COM                                                 >> >> >>Got a keen eye, that can discern model numbers from a low-res photo?  Or >> >>can you see features that I may miss (because I've not had one of these >> >>systems in nearly 15 years!)??? >> >> >>Check out Microsoft's "Computing on Itanium" page: >> >>http://www.microsoft.com/servers/64bit/itanium/overview.mspx >> >> >>The photo/header itself: >> >>http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/servers/graphics/hero/itaniu >> >>m_header.jpg >> >> >>Mirrored on my site, in case MS gets wind of this conversation and yanks >> >>it: >> >>http://openvms.hobby-site.com/images/MS_Itanium_Header.jpg >> >> >>Sure looks like VAX 6000's and RA series drives to me... ;)  Is this a >> >>subtle nod to the common heritage I64 and WNT have? >> >> >>Aaron- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > What do you say we should all rate the page at '5' purely for the > picture? People place way too much value on pictures they see. Artwork is frequently just what was available at the time and has no bearing on reality. Or have we already forgotten the Compaq OpenVMS distro with all the Sun Workstations so prominently displayed on the front of the box? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:57:56 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED76A0637@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:41 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on > > > This has been tossed around on the VMS SIG listserv for the last > couple of days. > > I wrote: > >The boxes on the right, which appear to be RA drives, > >DO say "digital". DEC never made an Itanium. > > > > Here is their new information architecture for the future: http://tinyurl.com/5q2hut which translates to: http://research.microsoft.com/users/gbell/Digital/timeline/1981-4.htm :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2008 16:45:41 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <6mbo1kFfrlanU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > This has been tossed around on the VMS SIG listserv for the last > couple of days. > > I wrote: >>The boxes on the right, which appear to be RA drives, >>DO say "digital". DEC never made an Itanium. >> >> >> >>> >>> Aaron Sakovich >>> >> UNGARD.COM> To >>> VMS-SIG@LISTSERV.ENCOMPASSUS.ORG >>> 10/22/2008 11:07 cc >>> AM >>> Subject >>> What OS is that hardware running? >>> Please respond to >>> Open VMS SIG List >>> >> .ENCOMPASSUS.ORG> >>> ; Please respond >>> to >>> Aaron.Sakovich@SU >>> NGARD.COM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Got a keen eye, that can discern model numbers from a low-res photo? Or >>>can you see features that I may miss (because I've not had one of these >>>systems in nearly 15 years!)??? >>> >>>Check out Microsoft's "Computing on Itanium" page: >>>http://www.microsoft.com/servers/64bit/itanium/overview.mspx >>> >>>The photo/header itself: >>>http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/servers/graphics/hero/itaniu >>>m_header.jpg >>> >>>Mirrored on my site, in case MS gets wind of this conversation and yanks >>>it: >>>http://openvms.hobby-site.com/images/MS_Itanium_Header.jpg I should have caught this in the first place. I think it unlikely that this will disappear. This picture has been therre for more than a year and we actually discussed it here back in June of 2007. >>> >>>Sure looks like VAX 6000's and RA series drives to me... ;) Is this a >>>subtle nod to the common heritage I64 and WNT have? Actually, I expect it is an old piece of clipart that MS had floating around when they needed a picture of a computer. I doubt the person who put it ont he web page even had a clue what it was actually a picture of. Of course, I also doubt the hardware pictured has anything at all to do with MS. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:39:48 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <4900b8d0$0$10430$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > on reality. Or have we already forgotten the Compaq OpenVMS distro > with all the Sun Workstations so prominently displayed on the front > of the box? Or the Digital ad showing VT420 terminals with colour graphics displayed on their screens ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:45:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <4900b9c3$0$1556$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Actually, I expect it is an old piece of clipart that MS had floating > around when they needed a picture of a computer. I doubt the person > who put it ont he web page even had a clue what it was actually a picture > of. Correct. Microsoft weenies weren't born when RA drives were still being produced. But it is still interesting to see those weenies not have a clue on what a modern data centre looks like. They probably think those RA drives are some sort of blade enclosure :-) :-) If only they knew that those were likely 400 or 600 meg drives, drawing 15 amps of power with 1/3 HP motor that was outside the HDA :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:03:24 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: We have quorum! (Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) Message-ID: Hi John, > I'm still here. Good man! Cheers Richard Maher PS. Still can't source a cheap rx2600 in Oz (or any other dev Itanium) but I hope to once more be in a position to beg for advice shortly. "John Reagan" wrote in message news:j-udnfxrGZ_oO2LVnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@earthlink.com... > > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:48fe39a7$0$12386$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > >I get the feeling we are in some Star Trek episode where the crew, one > > by one, disapears without any sound/noise and it isn't until someone > > does a head count or tries to contact a crew member that they notice he > > is no longer aboard. > > > > Anyone else having similar feelings ? > > > > Or is it truly just a case of the formely regular posters to COV no > > longer participating here ? > > I'm still here. Who are you concerned about? Perhaps we're busy or on > vacation? All of the folks that normally post here from VMS are still > around as far as I know. > > John > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:41:11 -0400 From: "David Turner, islandco.com" Subject: Re: We have quorum! (Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ?) Message-ID: Richard If you want you can buy it and have it shipped to us and we can check it out. We can ship to Oz and do say weekly... I wouldn't charge you as we wouldn't have to repack it but you would be responsible for shipping. If you want it tested etc then yes we charge $120 per hour and a full test would run about 1 hour. FYI Y'all, We are acting as buying agents now for some entities - not by choice but because some of our Government customers are only allowed to buy from certain vendors (Us ! Woo Hoo !). We charge a commision of 10% but the savings we offer easily cover our fees. -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Richard Maher" wrote in message news:gdpp1p$6cn$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > Hi John, > >> I'm still here. > > Good man! > > Cheers Richard Maher > > PS. Still can't source a cheap rx2600 in Oz (or any other dev Itanium) but > I > hope to once more be in a position to beg for advice shortly. > > "John Reagan" wrote in message > news:j-udnfxrGZ_oO2LVnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@earthlink.com... >> >> "JF Mezei" wrote in message >> news:48fe39a7$0$12386$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> >I get the feeling we are in some Star Trek episode where the crew, one >> > by one, disapears without any sound/noise and it isn't until someone >> > does a head count or tries to contact a crew member that they notice he >> > is no longer aboard. >> > >> > Anyone else having similar feelings ? >> > >> > Or is it truly just a case of the formely regular posters to COV no >> > longer participating here ? >> >> I'm still here. Who are you concerned about? Perhaps we're busy or on >> vacation? All of the folks that normally post here from VMS are still >> around as far as I know. >> >> John >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 2008 07:24:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? Message-ID: <$MzBgd8N0NxX@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <7YILk.51592$rD2.28765@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, islandco.com" writes: > Software is free on Linux so .... How dare you suggest hosting comp.os.vms on anything but VMS! 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:11:05 -0400 From: Brendan Welch Subject: Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? Message-ID: > I also investigated teranews, which claims to be "free" after a USD$3.95 charge > to my credit card. Does anyone use this service? > I also have Comcast, but never use it for (the few) newsgroups I read, and was not aware they were pulling out of news. What I use, for free, is nntp.aioe.org for comp.os.vms ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.573 ************************