INFO-VAX Sun, 02 Nov 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 592 Contents: Re: Bell Labs closes Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: trouble installing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:48:09 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Bell Labs closes Message-ID: <490D14E8.FFE3C92F@spam.comcast.net> AEF wrote: > > On Oct 27, 9:44 pm, David J Dachtera > wrote: > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys...@spam.comcast.net] > > > > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:27 PM > > > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > > > Subject: Re: Bell Labs closes > > > > [snip] > > > > Change for the sake of change rarely produces anything positive. > > > > > > Change where change is appropriate usually leads to a more desirable > > > > result than the status quo. > > > > > Agreed - "planned" change is more desirable than "reactive" change. > > > > Planned or unplanned, the change has to make sense - not just be change > > for the sake of change. > > > > > However, as the recent financial crisis has shown, sometimes there > > > are things that happen that are totally out of your control. > > > > Well, be careful not to fall into the "victim" mentality there. When we > > invest in stocks, etc., we make the conscious choice to accept certain > > risks. In essence, we got what we bargained for - just perhaps more than > > we expected. > > His point stands: Regardless of whether you invest or not, the current > financial crisis appears not to be in anyone's control! I didn't say otherwise. > Also: > > There's a lot more to the current financial crisis than stockholders/ > investors/whatever. > > People who did everything right I'm still hearing the victim mentality coming through there. People expect their real estate to go up in value, and over the long term this is generally - but not always (witness: California in the 1980's, Louisiana in 2004) - true. Life, however, holds no such guarantees, as the residents of New Orleans recently discovered. > are finding their home values go down > because neighbors are experiencing foreclosure, e.g. I guess you > should have checked your crystal ball to see this coming and not have > bought your house in that neighborhood, or anywhere for that matter. I'm still hearing the victim mentality coming through there. As Kerry pointed out, precious few factors are actually within the individual's control. > There could be bank failures. Guess you better buy lots of gold quick, > guard it will, or keep your money in your mattress. I'm still hearing the victim mentality coming through there. When you place your money in a financial institution in search of passive growth, you accept the risk that the institution may make choices which are less than ideal and, regardless of the choices they make, may produce undesirable results due to factors beyond their - and your - control. As Kerry pointed out, precious few factors are actually within the individual's control. > There could be increasing numbers of unemployed. Remember that > unemployment peaked at 25% during the Great Depression. I guess you > shouldn't have gotten a job: you risk losing it! > [...] I'm still hearing the victim mentality coming through there. When you place control of your financial future in someone else's hands, such as an employer, you accept the risk that the job may "disappear". As Kerry pointed out, precious few factors are actually within the individual's control. "I made a bad choice - oh, poor me" doesn't help us to recover or move on. It may be prudent, at this juncture, to consider "The Serenity Prayer": Lord, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:31:54 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <490ca0a7$0$22570$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> At the opposite scale of things... I ran an all mighty Microvax 2 with 8 megs of RAM and a 154meg drive to support 8 users runing WPS-Plus. The success of the project lead the MVII to be upgraded to 16 meg of RAM to support 12 users. This was circa 1987. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:01:03 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <490ca76d$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > At the opposite scale of things... > > I ran an all mighty Microvax 2 with 8 megs of RAM and a 154meg drive to > support 8 users runing WPS-Plus. The success of the project lead the > MVII to be upgraded to 16 meg of RAM to support 12 users. > > This was circa 1987. And today a single word processing user is using a PC with 4 MB L2 cache, 2 GB RAM and 320 GB disk ... HW has changed ! Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:06:19 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> At the opposite scale of things... >> >> I ran an all mighty Microvax 2 with 8 megs of RAM and a 154meg drive to >> support 8 users runing WPS-Plus. The success of the project lead the >> MVII to be upgraded to 16 meg of RAM to support 12 users. >> >> This was circa 1987. > > And today a single word processing user is using a PC > with 4 MB L2 cache, 2 GB RAM and 320 GB disk ... > > HW has changed ! > > Arne It has gotten a lot cheaper! When someone builds a faster computer, someone else will write slower software to run on it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:15:07 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20081101131334.01ecdae8@raptor.psccos.com> We used to run the entire problem tracking system at the CSC at DEC on a VAX 11/782. Not a heckuva lot of memory but it supported hundreds of users...it replaced a PDP 11/70 running RSTS... At 12:31 PM 11/1/2008, JF Mezei wrote: >At the opposite scale of things... > >I ran an all mighty Microvax 2 with 8 megs of RAM and a 154meg drive to >support 8 users runing WPS-Plus. The success of the project lead the >MVII to be upgraded to 16 meg of RAM to support 12 users. > >This was circa 1987. ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Nov 2008 19:31:04 GMT From: Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <176uZD2KcidF-pn2-PNG9xqLdmnW0@rikki.tavi.co.uk> On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:31:54 UTC, JF Mezei wrote: > At the opposite scale of things... > > I ran an all mighty Microvax 2 with 8 megs of RAM and a 154meg drive to > support 8 users runing WPS-Plus. The success of the project lead the > MVII to be upgraded to 16 meg of RAM to support 12 users. > > This was circa 1987. Impressive, but look back and read what OS/8 was able to do! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:16:13 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <6n3qifFjh0i1U1@mid.individual.net> On 2008-11-01 20:01, "Arne Vajh=F8j" wrote: > And today a single word processing user is using a PC > with 4 MB L2 cache, 2 GB RAM and 320 GB disk ... >=20 > [...] Don't forget the 256 MB of RAM for the graphics card ... ;-) Michael --=20 Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:18:38 -0400 From: "Steven Underwood" Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <3B4Pk.11702$up3.7863@newsfe01.iad> VAX 7000-630 running OpenVMS V7.1 System Memory Resources on 1-NOV-2008 18:17:01.31 Physical Memory Usage (pages): Total Free In Use Modified Main Memory (2048.00Mb) 4194304 3855692 275650 62962 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <86fb0afc-7543-4651-a62a-a15667c02a7c@c2g2000pra.googlegroups.com> On 1 nov, 02:15, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > urbancamo wrote: > > To anyone listening! > > > I was flicking through the VAX Architecture Reference Manual earlier > > and it got me wondering about the ratio between physically installed > > memory in a VAX setup and the maximum theoretical limit of 4 GB. As > > far as I'm aware for VAXen the physical never to close to the virtual. > > > I remember when 64MB was an astronomic amount of memory, which was > > around the time of the last VAXes, so I'm asking - how much RAM did > > you see crammed into the latest or greatest of the VAXen (and what > > else was interesting about the setups, for example maximum number of > > users, storage etc) > > > Or just tell me to get a life ;) > > > Mark. > > I don't know of ANY VAX that actually supported four GB of memory. =A0I > don't recall the largest VAX memory I ever encountered but I doubt if it > was more than 128 MB. > > RISC processors, such as the Alpha need a great deal more memory for the > executable code, about four times as much as a VAX. =A0With the Alphas, a > GB or more was not only reasonable but also possible! =A0But only if you > were very rich! ;-)- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - One of my VAXstation 4000-90A's has 128 MB main memory. Which is its configuration maximum IIRC. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:55:08 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: H Vlems schrieb: > One of my VAXstation 4000-90A's has 128 MB main memory. Which is its > configuration maximum IIRC. Mine too. And yes, it maxes out at 128MB. But that was an impressive (and expensive) amount of memory back then. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:13:36 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <3aef3f7c-19a5-4e06-9b86-ff2ecd545e29@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com> On Nov 1, 8:37=A0am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > Just curious why they continue running theses as opposed to, say, ES47? Many years of poor decisions. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:15:17 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: <6a25fab1-6841-46cd-8c64-ab5c4275ae20@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> On Nov 1, 10:58=A0am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Was that the > Philly office? =A0Been there, awesome collection of hardware!! Yes, the Philadelphia office. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: H Vlems Subject: Re: trouble installing Message-ID: <95cb84be-4647-402c-bd82-b2b0df18608e@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On 31 okt, 15:21, skf wrote: > I can not get my computer to boot from the cd drive and the bios is > locked so i can't get in to change the settings. Is there any way i > can get around this? As others have told you, this is not an Intel group. Look at the motherboard for a manufacturer and a model identification. Visit their website and download the manual (if you haven't one already). Look for the reset jumper which restores the BIOS to factory default settings. Good luck. PS BTW comp.sys.dec cares for hw problems ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.592 ************************