INFO-VAX Wed, 05 Nov 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 598 Contents: Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: MES Serial communication Re: Most impressive VAX installations Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:48:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: <00A8220C.7B739865@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <9s0Qk.3852$U5.24246@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >>> Can it log traffic over TNAxxxx or LTAxxx device directly ? >> >> Yes. >> >> $ CONTRL >> CONTRL> help WATCH >> Use this command to connect to another user's terminal and watch >> that user. When you are watching, everything the target user types >> and all the system responses appear on your screen. > >In this case the "users" are 100's of detached processed that >read/write from fixed mounted and hendheld barcode scannes. >But that's OK as a "user", right ? I know sites using very similar devices. One site had them connected to their VMS boxes via a radio link so bar-codes scanned on the warehouse's floor are fed into their inventory system in near real-time as items are picked. If the scanner looks like a terminal (telnet or LAT), CONTRL or CarbonCopy could be used if you need to save a dump of the terminal I/Os going to and fro. FWIW, I took some quick photos of my serial-line-analyzer hardware if it is of any interest. http://tmesis.com/SLA Nothing really special. The photos were taken with low (window) lighting on the kitchen table with a 50mm f/1.2 lens. Depth of field is a wide as a sheet of paper is thin. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2008 11:56:30 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: In article <3191263c-5af9-4e59-ad7a-0eaf3a8336ac@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, hans.van.buitenen@philips.com writes: > Hi, at our site we have a VMS (OLD VAX) that communicated via a > terminal server to Production equipment. What i need to know is what > data is being send via these terminals. Can I use "connect" to view > this i/o without interrupting the proces? No. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: On Nov 4, 11:35 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <35b306a7-fdfe-49d7-a27f-08291e044...@j40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: > > >On Nov 4, 10:44 am, hans.van.buite...@philips.com wrote: > >> Hi, at our site we have a VMS (OLD VAX) that communicated via a > >> terminal server to Production equipment. What i need to know is what > >> data is being send via these terminals. Can I use "connect" to view > >> this i/o without interrupting the proces? > > >Hans, > > >The OP does not mention the version of OpenVMS that is in use. > > >In similar situations, when I have wanted to monitor what is going > >back and forth on such a channel, I have often used one or more copies > >of Kermit and a carefully wired serial "Y" adapter (with one leg of > >the "Y" being Receive-only. > > I have done this in the past. I wired up a sort of serial line monitor > that recorded data. A couple of isolation diodes, a small breadboarding > PCB, a 9pin D socket, connector pins and a breakout box coupled with my > Mac running Kermit in debug mode worked nicely to trap this data but it > was a bear to pour over. I used it to debug data coming from a digital > scale being used in a pharmaceutical's necroscopy lab to a VT4xx series > terminal's printer port for sample weight data collection. This was in- > strumental in determining that the software I provided was correct and > that the digital scale's communication spec was wrong. > > ... Kermit Commands deleted in the interest of conservation ... > > >There were a couple of terminal sharing packages extant at various > >points, but I would be cautious about using them on machine-machine > >communications without a careful technical review. > > Why do/would you say that? I maintain RAXCO's CONTRL. It is one of the > best terminal sharing packages out there and it can be used in a strict > "watch" (sniff) mode . This same technology (Patented) is also employed > in ProvN's SecurityGuard to capture and log terminal I/O for audit/secur- > ity purposes. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright > notice, disclaimer and quotations. Brian, I had not used CONTRL recently, and did not have the manuals easily accessible As such, I did not want to make statements about features, availability, and related items. No pejorative was intended, merely that caution should be exercised to verify that the package is intended to provide full echo of the data streams without creating a problem in this context. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:39:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: <00A8221B.F4DD9298@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Bob Gezelter writes: >On Nov 4, 11:35 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <35b306a7-fdfe-49d7-a27f-08291e044...@j40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: >> >> >On Nov 4, 10:44 am, hans.van.buite...@philips.com wrote: >> >> Hi, at our site we have a VMS (OLD VAX) that communicated via a >> >> terminal server to Production equipment. What i need to know is what >> >> data is being send via these terminals. Can I use "connect" to view >> >> this i/o without interrupting the proces? >> >> >Hans, >> >> >The OP does not mention the version of OpenVMS that is in use. >> >> >In similar situations, when I have wanted to monitor what is going >> >back and forth on such a channel, I have often used one or more copies >> >of Kermit and a carefully wired serial "Y" adapter (with one leg of >> >the "Y" being Receive-only. >> >> I have done this in the past. I wired up a sort of serial line monitor >> that recorded data. A couple of isolation diodes, a small breadboarding >> PCB, a 9pin D socket, connector pins and a breakout box coupled with my >> Mac running Kermit in debug mode worked nicely to trap this data but it >> was a bear to pour over. I used it to debug data coming from a digital >> scale being used in a pharmaceutical's necroscopy lab to a VT4xx series >> terminal's printer port for sample weight data collection. This was in- >> strumental in determining that the software I provided was correct and >> that the digital scale's communication spec was wrong. >> >> ... Kermit Commands deleted in the interest of conservation ... >> >> >There were a couple of terminal sharing packages extant at various >> >points, but I would be cautious about using them on machine-machine >> >communications without a careful technical review. >> >> Why do/would you say that? I maintain RAXCO's CONTRL. It is one of the >> best terminal sharing packages out there and it can be used in a strict >> "watch" (sniff) mode . This same technology (Patented) is also employed >> in ProvN's SecurityGuard to capture and log terminal I/O for audit/secur- >> ity purposes. >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection >> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) >> >> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside >> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright >> notice, disclaimer and quotations. > >Brian, > >I had not used CONTRL recently, and did not have the manuals easily >accessible As such, I did not want to make statements about features, >availability, and related items. No pejorative was intended, merely >that caution should be exercised to verify that the package is >intended to provide full echo of the data streams without creating a >problem in this context. > >- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com That's fair enough. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:36:02 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <9s0Qk.3852$U5.24246@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> >>>> Can it log traffic over TNAxxxx or LTAxxx device directly ? >>> Yes. >>> >>> $ CONTRL >>> CONTRL> help WATCH >>> Use this command to connect to another user's terminal and watch >>> that user. When you are watching, everything the target user types >>> and all the system responses appear on your screen. >> In this case the "users" are 100's of detached processed that >> read/write from fixed mounted and hendheld barcode scannes. >> But that's OK as a "user", right ? > > I know sites using very similar devices. One site had them connected to > their VMS boxes via a radio link so bar-codes scanned on the warehouse's > floor are fed into their inventory system in near real-time as items are > picked. Same here. In this case stuff is packed in consumer boxes and the VMS box verifies using barcode scanners that the right User Manual (and other "consumables") for the actual product version is packed. They do not want their French customers to receive a Russan handbook. Barcodes read from the User Guides are macthed against an Rdb database in real-time. Now, a tool to log the actual TNAnnnn or LTAnnn trafic would be valuable when installing/replacing scanners to verify how the barcodes are read by the scanner. I looked at the link proveded in an earlier post, but could not find anything about CONTRL on that site. Would it be too much asked to get some help to get in touch with someone who knows about prices and such? Or is it just as hard as getting info/prices about VMS from HP... :-) And finaly, what is the difference between CONTRL and CarbonCopy ? Web links prefered, of course. Same about downloadable documentation, if available. Best Regards, Jan-Erik. If the scanner looks like a terminal (telnet or LAT), CONTRL or > CarbonCopy could be used if you need to save a dump of the terminal I/Os > going to and fro. > > FWIW, I took some quick photos of my serial-line-analyzer hardware if it > is of any interest. http://tmesis.com/SLA Nothing really special. The > photos were taken with low (window) lighting on the kitchen table with a > 50mm f/1.2 lens. Depth of field is a wide as a sheet of paper is thin. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:25:54 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: <00A82233.3CDAD548@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <9s0Qk.3852$U5.24246@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> >>>>> Can it log traffic over TNAxxxx or LTAxxx device directly ? >>>> Yes. >>>> >>>> $ CONTRL >>>> CONTRL> help WATCH >>>> Use this command to connect to another user's terminal and watch >>>> that user. When you are watching, everything the target user types >>>> and all the system responses appear on your screen. >>> In this case the "users" are 100's of detached processed that >>> read/write from fixed mounted and hendheld barcode scannes. >>> But that's OK as a "user", right ? >> >> I know sites using very similar devices. One site had them connected to >> their VMS boxes via a radio link so bar-codes scanned on the warehouse's >> floor are fed into their inventory system in near real-time as items are >> picked. > >Same here. In this case stuff is packed in consumer boxes and >the VMS box verifies using barcode scanners that the right >User Manual (and other "consumables") for the actual product >version is packed. They do not want their French customers to >receive a Russan handbook. Barcodes read from the User Guides >are macthed against an Rdb database in real-time. > >Now, a tool to log the actual TNAnnnn or LTAnnn trafic would >be valuable when installing/replacing scanners to verify how >the barcodes are read by the scanner. > >I looked at the link proveded in an earlier post, but could >not find anything about CONTRL on that site. Would it be >too much asked to get some help to get in touch with someone >who knows about prices and such? Or is it just as hard as >getting info/prices about VMS from HP... :-) > >And finaly, what is the difference between CONTRL and >CarbonCopy ? Web links prefered, of course. Same about >downloadable documentation, if available. OK. First off, the product is called RaxcoSupport. It encompasses a number of utilities: - CONTRL CONTRL allows one to interactively WATCH (spy) or ASSIST (control) another terminal session -- on a local system or over network with DECnet. I've not been tasked yet to add TCP/IP support albeit I'd really like to add it. - INSTRUCTOR - ATTEND These are adjunct utilities for CONTRL. The permit CONTRL to be a tool for training. - RTMON RTMON is an adjunct for both CONTRL and CarbonCopy to allow DECnet (RT terminals) to be monitored. - FRAMER FRAMER is a utility to view logs that are captured. It has intel- ligence in it that it will stop at while processing the log a if it was actual terminal I/O. - WINDOW WINDOW is a multi-session tool and more. - CALOUT CALOUT is a script driven file transfer tool. Think Kermit. - CarbonCopy CarbonCopy will make a log of any terminal I/O at the request of a user or system manager. >Jan-Erik. I've copied some people at RAXCO re this request. I'm sure one or both of them will get back to me so that I can get you in touch with the ap- propriate people. Norm, who posted earlier, is familar with the product(s). He may chime in with some commentary. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:33:12 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> In article <9s0Qk.3852$U5.24246@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Can it log traffic over TNAxxxx or LTAxxx device directly ? >>>>> Yes. >>>>> >>>>> $ CONTRL >>>>> CONTRL> help WATCH >>>>> Use this command to connect to another user's terminal and watch >>>>> that user. When you are watching, everything the target user types >>>>> and all the system responses appear on your screen. >>>> In this case the "users" are 100's of detached processed that >>>> read/write from fixed mounted and hendheld barcode scannes. >>>> But that's OK as a "user", right ? >>> I know sites using very similar devices. One site had them connected to >>> their VMS boxes via a radio link so bar-codes scanned on the warehouse's >>> floor are fed into their inventory system in near real-time as items are >>> picked. >> Same here. In this case stuff is packed in consumer boxes and >> the VMS box verifies using barcode scanners that the right >> User Manual (and other "consumables") for the actual product >> version is packed. They do not want their French customers to >> receive a Russan handbook. Barcodes read from the User Guides >> are macthed against an Rdb database in real-time. >> >> Now, a tool to log the actual TNAnnnn or LTAnnn trafic would >> be valuable when installing/replacing scanners to verify how >> the barcodes are read by the scanner. >> >> I looked at the link proveded in an earlier post, but could >> not find anything about CONTRL on that site. Would it be >> too much asked to get some help to get in touch with someone >> who knows about prices and such? Or is it just as hard as >> getting info/prices about VMS from HP... :-) >> >> And finaly, what is the difference between CONTRL and >> CarbonCopy ? Web links prefered, of course. Same about >> downloadable documentation, if available. > > OK. First off, the product is called RaxcoSupport. It encompasses > a number of utilities: > > - CONTRL > > CONTRL allows one to interactively WATCH (spy) or ASSIST (control) > another terminal session -- on a local system or over network with > DECnet. I've not been tasked yet to add TCP/IP support albeit I'd > really like to add it. > > - INSTRUCTOR > - ATTEND > > These are adjunct utilities for CONTRL. The permit CONTRL to be a > tool for training. > > - RTMON > > RTMON is an adjunct for both CONTRL and CarbonCopy to allow DECnet > (RT terminals) to be monitored. > > - FRAMER > > FRAMER is a utility to view logs that are captured. It has intel- > ligence in it that it will stop at while processing the log a if it > was actual terminal I/O. > > - WINDOW > > WINDOW is a multi-session tool and more. > > - CALOUT > > CALOUT is a script driven file transfer tool. Think Kermit. > > - CarbonCopy > > CarbonCopy will make a log of any terminal I/O at the request of a > user or system manager. > > > >> Jan-Erik. > > I've copied some people at RAXCO re this request. I'm sure one or both > of them will get back to me so that I can get you in touch with the ap- > propriate people. > > > Norm, who posted earlier, is familar with the product(s). He may chime > in with some commentary. > OK, got it... :-) So it's all or nothing. No problem. The system also has some 100's of normal users using Reflection, Extra, VT-terms or handheld radiobased terminals (actualy an a little larger barcode scanner with an builtin screen and VT- emulator). I guess some of the tools here could be usefull for day to day user support also. I'll await some contact. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:42:26 -0500 From: "John Reagan" Subject: Re: Most impressive VAX installations Message-ID: "Bob Koehler" wrote in message > In C speak, float would be done in VAX F-float or IEEE S-float, or > similar. double would be done in VAX D- or G-float, or IEEE T-float. > I don't know of any C compiler that supports VAX H-float or IEEE > X-float. "long double" on OpenVMS Alpha or OpenVMS I64 should get you X-float. I don't think the VAX compiler knows about H-float however. > > In Fortran, REAL or REAL*4 would be F-float or S-float. DOUBLE > PRECISION or REAL*8 would be D-, G-, or T-float. REAL*16 would > be H- or X-float. I don't know of any Fortran compiler that > supports X-float. REAL*16 on OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 should get you X-float. And for those of you keeping score at home, the QUADRUPLE datatype in Pascal gives H-float on VAX, and X-float on Alpha and I64. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:07:45 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: PR wrote: > On Nov 4, 6:50 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: >> Len Whitwer wrote: >>> Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a >>> list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get >>> "ONE >>> USER" on system. >>> Get following error when second user tries to use basic. >>> $ BAS OE001A >>> %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node >>> -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product >>> -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager >>> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows >>> image module routine line rel PC >>> abs PC >>> 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 >>> FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 >>> 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 >>> FFFFFFFF80BC3960 >>> BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 >>> 00000000002C1380 >>> BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 >>> 0000000000280650 >>> BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 >>> 0000000000280140 >>> BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 >>> 0000000000641F40 >>> 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 >>> FFFFFFFF80C03700 >>> DCL 0 000000000006BA90 >>> 000000007AE27A90 >>> %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump >>> Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is >>> $2400.00. >>> Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! >> Welcome to the wonderful world of DEC/Compaq/HP licensing. The rates >> per "seat" vary with the horsepower of the machine, but it ain't cheap. >> If you buy, say, 50 or 100 "seats" you can probably get a quantity >> discount but it still ain't cheap. >> >> I'm a little surprised that you bought a system without understanding >> the software licensing required and the pricing thereof! > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is just the compiler. There is no > cost to run programs compiled with the compiler. So, put the compiles > in a batch job if you have more than one developer. > > $2400 is a bit high I agree, but not terribly so. > > -Paul > I cam recall when a license to run the Fortran compiler on a VAX-11/750 cost $5000 US. If you wanted the C compiler too, that was ANOTHER $5000. This was ca. 1985/6. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: Len Whitwer Subject: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get "ONE USER" on system. Get following error when second user tries to use basic. $ BAS OE001A %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows image module routine line rel PC abs PC 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 00000000002C1380 BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 0000000000280650 BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 0000000000280140 BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 0000000000641F40 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 FFFFFFFF80C03700 DCL 0 000000000006BA90 000000007AE27A90 %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is $2400.00. Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! -Len Whitwer Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 Woodinville, WA 98072 e-mail mailto:len@psds.com Internet: http://www.psds.com Toll Free: (866)857-0710 Tel: (425) 488-0710 Fax: (425) 488-6414 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:26:28 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: <4910e82d$0$90276$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Len Whitwer wrote: > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get > "ONE > USER" on system. > > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. > > $ BAS OE001A > > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node > > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product > > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager > > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is > $2400.00. > > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! Sounds pretty likely to me. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:50:33 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: Len Whitwer wrote: > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get > "ONE > USER" on system. > > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. > > $ BAS OE001A > > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node > > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product > > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager > > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > image module routine line rel PC > abs PC > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > > BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 > 00000000002C1380 > > BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 > 0000000000280650 > > BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 > 0000000000280140 > > BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 > 0000000000641F40 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 > FFFFFFFF80C03700 > > DCL 0 000000000006BA90 > 000000007AE27A90 > > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump > > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is > $2400.00. > > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! > Welcome to the wonderful world of DEC/Compaq/HP licensing. The rates per "seat" vary with the horsepower of the machine, but it ain't cheap. If you buy, say, 50 or 100 "seats" you can probably get a quantity discount but it still ain't cheap. I'm a little surprised that you bought a system without understanding the software licensing required and the pricing thereof! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:35:38 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: Len Whitwer wrote: > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get > "ONE > USER" on system. > > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. What does the *first* user do at that time ? Also post the SHOW LICENCE for the rellevant product. By "use" you meen running the compiler at the *same time*, right ? You can easaly "fix" this by running the compiles on a batch queue with a JOB_LIMIT=1. Or any other way that makes only one copy of the compiler been running at a time. Or wait 10 seconds and re-try the BAS command. This isn't a major problem. If you have many developers on your system, you could probably add 1 or 2 additional "users" and have 10-20 developers running without any particular problem. And $2400 isn't that much. You can't get a full copy of the Adobe "Master Collection" at that price, and that is for one single, single-user system... I do not see what your problem is... Jan-Erik. > > $ BAS OE001A > > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node > > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product > > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager > > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > image module routine line rel PC > abs PC > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > > BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 > 00000000002C1380 > > BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 > 0000000000280650 > > BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 > 0000000000280140 > > BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 > 0000000000641F40 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 > FFFFFFFF80C03700 > > DCL 0 000000000006BA90 > 000000007AE27A90 > > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump > > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is > $2400.00. > > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! > > -Len Whitwer > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. > 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 > Woodinville, WA 98072 > e-mail mailto:len@psds.com > Internet: http://www.psds.com > Toll Free: (866)857-0710 > Tel: (425) 488-0710 > Fax: (425) 488-6414 > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:45:41 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: <4910FAC5.EDD4E21D@spam.comcast.net> Len Whitwer wrote: > > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get > "ONE > USER" on system. > > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. > > $ BAS OE001A > > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node > > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product > > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager > > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > image module routine line rel PC > abs PC > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > > BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 > 00000000002C1380 > > BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 > 0000000000280650 > > BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 > 0000000000280140 > > BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 > 0000000000641F40 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 > FFFFFFFF80C03700 > > DCL 0 000000000006BA90 > 000000007AE27A90 > > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump > > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is > $2400.00. > > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! Hhmmm... Doesn't look right. I'd expect "attempted usage exceeds available license units" or some similar message. The message you got seems to indicate that the license is not even loaded. If you registered the PAK, did you then do a LICENSE LOAD to reload all the available PAKs? What does SHOW LICENSE say about the BASIC PAK? $ SHOW LICENSE BASIC What does the output of this command look like: $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LMF$* *BASIC* D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:28:28 -0600 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: Len Whitwer wrote: > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get > "ONE > USER" on system. > > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. > > $ BAS OE001A > > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node > > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product > > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager > > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > image module routine line rel PC > abs PC > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > FFFFFFFF80BC3960 > > BASIC BASICLICENSE BASIC$LICENSE 250 0000000000000420 > 00000000002C1380 > > BASIC BASTARTUP ENV_BASIC_INIT 1185 0000000000000030 > 0000000000280650 > > BASIC DBASIC_DRIVER GEM_XX_INIT 639 0000000000000140 > 0000000000280140 > > BASIC GEM_CP_VMS GEM_CP_MAIN 2505 0000000000002270 > 0000000000641F40 > > 0 FFFFFFFF80C03700 > FFFFFFFF80C03700 > > DCL 0 000000000006BA90 > 000000007AE27A90 > > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump > > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is > $2400.00. > > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! > > -Len Whitwer > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. > 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 > Woodinville, WA 98072 > e-mail mailto:len@psds.com > Internet: http://www.psds.com > Toll Free: (866)857-0710 > Tel: (425) 488-0710 > Fax: (425) 488-6414 > > Maybe you added the node option in the license utility? LICENSE MODIFY/INCLUDE=node-name? ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2008 11:55:49 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: In article , Ramon Jimenez writes: > Hello > > We have two HP Integrity boxes (OS Version V8.3-1H1) > > One of them must be keept as a failover, so we need to keep > information synchronized between both machines. > > The application and data has been confined into a Logical Disk, so we > just dismount the shadow and copy the files into the other machine. If > we need to switch over we just need to mount the volumes on the > failover server. > > We also need to keep synchronized the sysuaf.dat (and related files > rights.dat...). > > Which could be the best method to do it? If you are copying files, there's no reason why you can't copy these two. Just be carefull of fileownership, protection, location in logical name search lists, and versions. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.598 ************************