Article 120365 of comp.os.vms: In article <5g46qa$8cl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu writes: >Do you want to buy a fast, affordable, OpenVMS Alpha workstation? (Can somebody in Digital engineering or OpenVMS engineering please arrange for this information to find its way onto the appropriate decision making desks? The raw data will be made available to a representative from Digital on request.) The "VMS at PC prices" survey has been running for about 2 days, following postings to: comp.os.vms comp.sys.dec misc.forsale.computers.workstation This is contents of the summary page, which indicates the purchase choices of those who have said that they would likely buy the system configurations indicated at the price points given in: http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu:8000/www/pcvms.html People who have signed: 37 Home use Hardware + OpenVMS 5 Hardware + OpenVMS + Compiler 25 Additional Interactive Users 22 Hardware + WNT 3 Hardware Only 9 Current Digital Workstation 1 Business use Hardware + OpenVMS 66 Hardware + OpenVMS + Compiler 57 Additional Interactive Users 71 Hardware + WNT 34 Hardware Only 5 Current Digital Workstation 1 (Duplicate entries from accidental multiple submits have been removed. Hopefully there are any math errors in the following.) What the summary says is that for this group of 37 people, if there were a $2232 fast Alpha platform, OpenVMS capable, with OpenVMS available for $500, or WNT for $300, or Linux for free, or DU for (user specified, $900 or $1000), optional compilers package for OpenVMS for $500, extra interactive users for $150 each, they would have bought: For home use: 42 For business use: 162 Sum 204 Sales 2232 * 204 = $455328 (hardware sales) I think it is especially telling that this group indicated that they would have only purchased *2* of any of the currently offered OpenVMS workstations. This supports the hypothesis that the reason OpenVMS workstations don't sell is that they are hideously overpriced with respect to the competition. For these systems, they would have specified the following operating systems: OS # Cost Digital Sales OpenVMS 153 $500 76500 WNT 37 $300 (11100, to Microsoft) Linux 12 $0 0 D. Unix 2 * 2000 * ($900 or $1000 for OS - user specified maximum price at which they would purchase Digital Unix) On average, about 0.6 extra user licenses per machine would have been sold per machine. Digital sales = 150 * 93 = 13950 On average, about 0.5 compiler packages per machine. Digital sales = 82 * 500 = $41000 On average, each person would have bought 1 machine for home use, and 4.4 for business use. A rough categorization of the responses is that about 50% are academics or unknown, and the rest are in small computer related businesess (software, consulting, web providers). Potential home computer sales are drawn about evenly from both categories, but the vast majority of the business machines would be purchased by the second group of respondants. If these PC class machines had been for sale, profits generated from these sales would have been (at hardware profit = 515 per unit, independent of OS): hardware OS Compilers ExtraUsers |Total /Unit OpenVMS machines: 78795 76500 41000 13950 |210245 1374 WNT machines 19055 0* 0 0 | 19055 515 Linux machines 6180 0 0 0 | 6180 515 DU machines 1030 1900 ? 0 | 2930 1465 * = $11100, to Microsoft. Admittedly this is a nonrandom sample - proportionately a lot more WNT and Linux sales would in fact result. Still, the bottom line is that each OpenVMS sale is nearly three times as profitable for Digital as a WNT or a Linux sale. This doesn't count potential sales of software service contracts, software upgrades, other layered software, extra pathworks client licenses, and so forth. Although this may not sit well with the Digital workstation folks, it appears that Digital Unix is going to be a very hard sell on a low cost system - on inexpensive machines the end users would rather save their money and go with Linux, figuring, as I would, that there is no point spending extra money on Digital Unix when Linux is a very similar OS and is free. (This is also consistent with the growing trend of end users buying high end PCs with Linux in preference to traditional Unix workstations.) Conversely, in this group of respondants, 4 out 5 would spend an extra $200 over WNT to get OpenVMS, when that OpenVMS package is configured as described at the URL cited above. So, will Digital get the message and sell us what we want at the prices we are willing to pay? Regards, David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech ************************************************************************** *Affordable VMS? See: http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu:8000/www/pcvms.html * **************************************************************************