Mr Vijayan - In response to your query I'll give my perspectives; I've been active on info-vax for over 10 years, and in DECUS for ~25 so recall a fair bit of history. However I'd appreciate it if you did not use my name or attribute this stuff in your article. As to what you wanted to know... I've watched the messages, and been worried by them and by the reports of folks leaving OVMS that various friends have reported and which I've encountered. Digital's management was for some time telling everyone that OVMS was a "legacy" system, which term sounds like the term "stabilized" to my ears. That started being used before DOS-11 was dropped, before RSX11D/IAS got dropped, before development stopped on RSX11M (though Mentec has restarted it as I hear), and so was bothersome considering that I believe the OS is technically superior, and it no longer has the disadvantage of running on slower iron than its competitors. (Alpha processors are the fastest iron on the planet and look likely to stay that way into the next millenium, and OVMS is using them in full 64 bit mode now.) Lately, Digital management has been stating its intent to develop and push OVMS development, and has added it again to the list of "strategic" platforms. This is a serious turnaround and can help. The basic problem in the perception space is that LOTS of folks still view VMS as something that runs on VAX, and view VAX as a processor design that runs at below 10 Specmark89s, i.e., order(s) of magnitude slower than everyone's processors. Even for the VAX architecture that's not true of current models...the VLSI processes keep getting faster as they have been for decades...but OVMS runs on Alpha now, where current models beat out everything else, and announced models are looking like order of magnitude 100 SPECmark95 chips are near term things. By the 21st century, when Merced will be out, those figures should be larger still, seeing they've been increasing pretty continuously for everyone. So the old perception that OVMS runs on slow expensive iron is wrong today, and will be wronger. But people need to know this. The scheme that you'll have read about on info-vax/comp.os.vms, which was discussed as "Galaxies" at DECUS, seems to be the way Digital is trying to address this. It's a technology path to addressing it, not one of marketing (and I wish Digital would market OVMS more strongly!!) but it seems valid. Basically, it'll let OVMS scale to very large speeds for real problems better than anything else around. It exploits some good design done years back and grows it, where nobody else has the design infrastructure done that OVMS has. Let me give some background. Consider the barriers to very high bandwidth computing. Demand for compute power is growing even faster than chip speeds. The problem has always been how to do it usefully. There have been massively parallel machines for 15 years and more, and they handle a few problems, e.g., modelling the atmosphere, very well. Problems that don't need much communications, not much I/O, but lots of CPU cycles. Most real world problems aren't like that. They do I/O, they communicate, they don't easily factorize. Attempts at running on more CPUs has led to the development of SMP machines, and of using client/server systems to spread the work around in some areas. In the OVMS world they led to clusters too, but the term for non-OVMS systems has meant something rather different and that difference is critical; I'll discuss that in a moment. The problem is that SMP machines share a copy of the operating system and have to synchronize various things, notably file I/O. This takes some time from EVERY CPU, so SMP really doesn't scale past ten or so processors (if it gets even that high). Massively parallel systems use several copies of the operating system, so get to more power, but they still must synchronize their I/O. That's the killer in the real world. For demonstrations and low-I/O problems, a server can make it LOOK like every processor has access to all storage, but still, to get at a piece of storage all the processors are making some one poor processor carry the ENTIRE load. It doesn't scale. Get past the demo stage and you'll see the performance slogs down. The difference is that OVMS WILL scale. The others won't. You see, the notion in Galaxies is to have a cluster in a box with some shared memory. Potentially you can use this to have hundreds of processors communicating. But one key difference here is that while you'll have lots of copies of the OS, OVMS uses a distributed lock manager, running on all processors, to synchronize its I/O. Thus, every processor that can electrically get to a disk directly does so, and the I/O load gets carried by lots of processors, not just one. This is fully supported now, though Galaxies offers the notion that the inter cluster communication can get a lot faster as well. This kind of synchronization exists ONLY in OVMS clusters, and allows simultaneous access to disks from many machines. (In the SCSI space that's why OVMS doesn't need or use reserve/release commands as well.) Everything else has to use some combination of servers, reserving devices for a system, and possibly failover to achieve a semblance of the cluster effects, but cannot do the simultaneous I/O that lets the many processors actually get work done. So the strategy is to build something, based on good engineering done all along, that will beat the competition by maybe an order of magnitude, and use this to attract enough attention to OVMS to overcome the old sticky perception that VMS is for old slow iron. Factors of 10 in performance get hard to ignore. To me that makes sense. I will however add that OVMS has other advantages which Digital doesn't mention much. They do talk about its ability to keep running in 7 x 24 x 365 situations...its robustness. But they don't mention that the good engineering in it caused OVMS to use a 64 bit date representation from the first. Thus there won't be a year 2000 problem with the basic OS...that date format won't run out of gas till about 30,000 AD, by which time there might be a new calendar anyway. The old Unix "seconds since 1/1/1970" runs out of seconds in a 32 bit integer in 2038, and systems that have used two characters for year have much more pervasive problems with date. People have accidentally set OVMS system dates 1000 years ahead and had the system run smoothly enough it took days to notice...there have been reports of this, and utilities to fix the dates up afterwards discussed, on the info-vax list. OVMS also has major advantages in its manageability...OVMS clusters can be managed from any node, and there are LOTS of tools for it, including some beautiful graphical ones available free on the DECUS symposium software collections. And it has major security advantages; Digital has had a culture of great attention to detail in the security area for as long as I've known people working in the area, and has been to the wars, in that VMS systems were common targets for 20 years or so and as a result the security design of the system has become incredibly strong. And there are third party packages which do realtime monitoring, file hiding, privilege audit or control, and the like on top of the already impressive array of what Digital has. Some of the security groups, and comp.risks, lately have discussed that the real need in using the Internet is not better browsers, but operating systems that have real security models that let people do their work but keep their critical data out of the hands of competitors. This is something that's already available in OVMS. I haven't seen it anywhere else. It might someday be, but the industrial espionage problem exists now. OVMS lets you deal with that, so you can get your work done without opening up your critical data to everyone. It's a story that needs to be told. I wish Digital would tell it also. Digital is also working on file systems that can be managed more easily as larger aggregates in OVMS. I wish that would go faster, but there are folks working on it. What I wish Digital would do more of is tell the story of OVMS in its marketing message. It should be mentioned as robust (7x24x365) as some ads say...that's true and important. But the quality message should be more widespread. That is, its scalability should be mentioned...and the fact that it's the ONLY system that has really scalable I/O. Also its security. Security is getting more important as network connections are getting ubiquitous, and people need to know the threats, BUT they need to know how OVMS deals with them...or at least THAT OVMS deals with them. I can set things on my OVMS system so that if I run a browser, some access permissions change so that whatever it wants to do, it can't get at certain areas of my system. Security holes in the browser don't matter, because the underlying OS tools protect me from losing my really vital stuff. Ditto holes or covert behavior in ANYTHING the browser might download. That's one tip of the iceberg but will illustrate the point. In other words, the plan to fix the perception of OVMS is to be technically too good to ignore. It makes sense, but I wish marketing were done a whole lot more than it is to tell the whole story of why OVMS is a wonderful system. There seem to be some folks at Digital that don't think OVMS will ever grow, and if it's hard to buy and nobody mentions it, that can be self fulfilling. But there is work going on that might override that, so OVMS has some chance to grow. I just think there needs to be more push to tell its story and to ensure that those who sell stuff within Digital mention OVMS and tell what it can do to give it that chance. The word "legacy" should not be used, but the word "quality", which is what OVMS offers, should. That is really what OVMS offers. Glenn C. Everhart Everhart@Arisia.GCE.Com