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Subj:	Re: DECnet Extensions-VAX Extensions or DECnet/OSI for VMS?

From: jeh@cmkrnl.com
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Subject: Re: DECnet Extensions-VAX Extensions or DECnet/OSI for VMS?
Message-Id: <1993Jun25.202731.2274@cmkrnl.com>
Date: 25 Jun 93 20:27:31 PDT
Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA
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Just a few quibbles:

In article <20frbn$jtn@theben.kapsch.co.at>, langstoeger@VENUS.kapsch.co.at ("peter langstoeger") writes:
> NCL (Network Command Language) replaces NCP (Network Command Program).
> NCL is better structured than NCP but is hard to learn and remember.

No kidding.  A big problem is that there is apparently no way to ask it 
what classes of entities exist to be asked about.  Once you know the name
of an entity class you can say 

	SHOW entity-class-name * NAME

to show the names of all instances of such entities, but there's no way short
of lots of page-flipping to find out which class names are or aren't valid in
a particular system.  Not that I've found, anyway. 

> VMS V6.0 will only support DECnet Phase V Wave 3.

Precede that with "Of the DECnet-VAX OSI options, ..."  ie you can still run
good old Phase IV under 6.0.  DEC absolutely *must* be convinced to, at bare
minimum, radically improve both the "tutorial" documentation and the management
interface tools that come with Phase V before declaring Phase IV "no longer
shipped".  

They also need to get their collective rears in gear and release the Phase V
protocol specs for sale (or, much better, anonymous ftp from gatekeeper).  
Keeping this material to themselves is the very antithesis of an "open" 
company.  

> BTW: I have many troubles with DNVOSI V5.5 on my test VAXstation 3100...

The only way I know of to NOT have many troubles with Phase V is to not
install it.  

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA
drivers, internals, networks, applications, and training for VMS and Windows NT
uucp 'g' protocol guru and release coordinator, VMSnet (DECUS uucp) W.G., and 
Chair, Programming and Internals Working Group, U.S. DECUS VMS Systems SIG 
Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com (JH645)  Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh  CIS: 74140,2055