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Subj:	Re: Disk Quotas and Mail

From: wayne@tachyon.com (Wayne Sewell)
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Subject: Re: Disk Quotas and Mail
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Date: 15 Nov 94 17:49:54 CST
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In article <1994Nov9.101726@acad>, 002052@northwest.missouri.edu (Michael A. Jackson) writes:
> "GWDGV1::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdgv1.dnet.gwdg.de>, Info-Vax<==>Comp.Os.Vms writes
> 
>>Dr. Kenneth H. Fairfield <Fairfield@Slac.Stanford.Edu> writes:
>>>[...]
>>>        Normally,   SYS$SYSTEM:MAIL.EXE   is   INSTALL'd   with  EXQUOTA
>>>     privilege  (as  well as others) to insure that MAIL gets  delivered.
>>>[...]
>>
>>I've read this statement more than once ...
>>but I know that it's not "standard" VMS that does so.
>>Since VMS V5, VMSIMAGES.DAT installs MAIL without privilege,
>>and MAIL_SERVER with just SYSPRV so it can provide a sender address
>>other than the account (MAIL$SERVER) under which it tends to run.
>>(In V4, there was no MAIL_SERVER; VMSIMAGES installed MAIL with
>> several privileges, but not EXQUOTA).
>>
>>Is there a widely used product that I don't know about (Multinet?, PMDF?)
>>which indeed re-installs V5 MAIL with privilege?
>>
>     I can't speak for other products but we use Multinet on our system and it
> does not re-install MAIL with different privileges.  Regular VMS mail behavior
> has not been changed by the installation of Multinet, however the INTERNET mail
> IS delivered when the user is over quota and I suspect this is the cause of the
> apparent confusion.
> 
>  -             |
> / \         *  | -             Michael A. Jackson
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DELIVER reinstalls the mail images with privileges.  The following is excerpted
from deliver_startup.com:

$ install replace -                
  SYS$SYSTEM:MAIL/OPEN/HEADER/SHARE/PRIV=(SYSPRV,OPER,WORLD,NETMBX,CMKRNL)
$ if f$search("SYS$SYSTEM:MAIL_SERVER.EXE") .nes. "" then install -
  replace SYS$SYSTEM:MAIL_SERVER.EXE/OPEN/HEADER/SHARE/PRIV=(SYSPRV,CMKRNL)

However, as you can see, EXQUOTA is not one of the privileges granted.

This version of DELIVER is that distributed by wku and dmc.com; I would imagine
that the version bundled with PMDF has evolved away from the public domain
version.  I don't know what that version does with privileges.

I am up to speed on DELIVER because I just ported it to AXP.  If you want to
try a beta copy, get it from my file server (fileserv@tachyon.com).  The
command is "send deliver".

Wayne

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